Clinton on the Top 25

[glwilson]

I haven't seen it yet; but a friend said that Bill Clinton is on Time magazine's Top 25 People Causing the Economic Crisis.

Wow! That kind of blows the DEMS Bush-bashing a bit now doesn't it.

I guess Barney Franks didn't make the top 25 -- not sure why -- but I am sure he has an honorable mention somewhere within the text.

[Cajunrider]

My 401k started losing ground in March of 1999. I'm sure I'm not the only investor that can attest to this. George W wasn't around yet. I only wish I would have invested in Slick Willie's cigar stocks instead of energy and technology stocks during the '90's. "W" has been beat up for the last 6 years because the Dems only think he lied about WMD's. Clinton repeatedly lied under oath during the Senate impeachment hearings and you never hear any liberal bashing him about his blatant and intentional dishonesty. I can only wonder what kind of uproar the "National Organization for Women" would have started if they had found some of Bush's DNA on a young female intern's clothing. How could I forget, he didn't have sex with "that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" he must have sneezed on her dress.

[markusmaximus]

Originally Posted by glwilson

I haven't seen it yet; but a friend said that Bill Clinton is on Time magazine's Top 25 People Causing the Economic Crisis.

Wow! That kind of blows the DEMS Bush-bashing a bit now doesn't it.

I guess Barney Franks didn't make the top 25 -- not sure why -- but I am sure he has an honorable mention somewhere within the text.

Here's the link. http://www.time.com/time/specials/pa...878508,00.html

Clinton is #23 (the list is rank-ordered), presumably b/c he signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which further deregulated the financial industry and many believe was partly to blame for the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis and 2008 global economic crisis (but I have not read the text so I don't know for sure). Sorry Greg; Bush beat out Clinton at #16. Who's #1? You guessed it! That Bush-backer and iconoclast of reasonable government oversight who authored the afore-mentioned legislation --- Phil Gramm.

[lw]

In reference to Mr Gramm, both sides bear some responsibility; as he signed on with the Republicans after playing on the Democratic team.

Like Barney Frank, this political free-agent is a sure first-ballot Hall of Shamer.

[blowndodge]

Remember when there was controversy that she made hundreds of thousands in the stock market and claimed "lots of people made money when the price of beef when up!" Heres the rub.

she hadn't traded in the market but one other time. Trading in the "options" market is a seasoned pros technique and not for the faint of heart. She didn't make money when the price of beef went up. She SHORTED the market which is one of the riskiest practices in trading! Oops!! Lets see........never trades and decides to short a commodity??? The story was she had backing from a financial gurue that was trying to find a way to get campaign money in her hands.

Remember when she was issued a subpoena for records to testify? She accidentally shredded them! This was at her legal office where she worked as an attorney?? Really?

Can you imagine if bush accidently shredded documents pertaining to WMD if he ever was issued a subpoena????? No harm no foul????

What about all those dead people who were going to testify during Bill Clinton's era???


Here’s a list of the Clinton “dead”.

Jim McDougal was serving his three-year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention. Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury

Vincent Foster White House Counsel Died July 21, 1993
Found dead in Fort Marcy Park in Virginia of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into 28 pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. Like Clinton, Foster was from Hope, Ark. He worked for the Rose Law firm with Hillary Clinton.
Luther Parks Head of Clinton's security team in Little Rock. Died Sept. 26, 1993 Gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chanaul Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Jacksonville, Arkansas, (near Little Rock). Parks was shot through the rear window of his car.

Bill Shelton Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson Died June 1994 He allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head at the grave site of his fiancee. Vincent Foster White House Counsel Died July 21, 1993 Found dead in Fort Marcy Park in Virginia of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into 28 pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. Like Clinton, Foster was from Hope, Ark. He worked for the Rose Law firm with Hillary Clinton. London Telegraph reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports a member of the Foster family has confirmed to him that Foster and Mrs. Clinton were lovers. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death. Recently, the signed report of medical examiner Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives. It stated that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck. Finally, an FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informs the FBI that there was no exit wound.
Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" a month earlier by allegedly shooting herself in the back of the head. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones' sexual harassment suit.

Suzanne Coleman Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy allowed.

Ron Brown Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary Died May 3, 1996. Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify.

Ron Miller Witness Died Oct. 12, 1997 Ron Miller, investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape-recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony. Reportedly a healthy man, Miller suddenly took ill on Oct. 3, and steadily worsened until his death nine days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Mary Mahoney White House intern Died July 1997 An 25-year-old woman, Mahoney was a former White House intern for Bill Clinton working as the assistant manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown. Gunmen entered the Starbuck's while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mahoney's two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total of 10 shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section. Mahoney was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. Even though more than $4,000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder as a robbery, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings. There was no sign of forced entry. One report said the cafe was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning. George Stephanopoulos, Monica Lewinsky and Chelsea Clinton were all regulars at the Starbuck's.



DEAD BODYGUARDS Maj. Gen. William Robertson Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col William Densberger V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col. Robert Kelly V Corps Chief of Intelligence Died Feb. 23, 1993 Spec. Gary Rhodes Crew Chief Died Feb. 23, 1993 All were killed when their Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and eight others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within four months of each other.

Steve Willis Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Robert Williams Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Conway LeBleu Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Todd McKeehan Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Killed by gunfire in the Waco, Texas, assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in Waco -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas, office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for president, and one while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician."Alan G. Whicher Died April 19, 1995 Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994, Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whicher was the only agent killed in the bomb blast of April 19, 1995.Five Navy aviators Clinton bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) Died March 26, 1993 All died in the crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck." All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt two weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.Staff Sgt. Brian Haney Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Maj. William Barkley Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Capt. Scott Reynolds Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

Victor Raiser II National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign Died July 30, 1992 Montgomery Raiser Son of C. Victor Raiser II Died July 30, 1992 Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI. Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue until 1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton for President campaign. He and his wife had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council. On May 29, 1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser's widow, Molly Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women's Campaign Fund, to be his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for confirmation as an ambassador.

Paul Tully Democratic National Committee Political Director Died Sept. 24, 1992 Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.

Ed Willey Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser Died Nov. 30, 1993 Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was allegedly sexually accosted in the White House by Bill Clinton. Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. Died March 1, 1994 Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown.Larry Lawrence Ambassador to Switzerland nominee. Larry Lawrence was a fundraiser, made famous by his burial at Arlington which revealed not only the special treatment given him but the depths of his legal troubles prior to his being nominated as ambassador to Switzerland. Less well known is that at the time of his death, allegedly from a heart attack, Larry Lawrence had just come under criminal investigation by the State Department and had (as had Ron Brown) indicated a willingness to cooperate.

MORE DEAD WITNESSES:

Luther Parks Head of Clinton's ecurity team in Little Rock. Died Sept. 26, 1993 Gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chanaul Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Jacksonville, Arkansas, (near Little Rock). Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen. When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body was reported, Parks is reported to have said, "Bill Clinton is cleaning house."Bill Shelton Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson Died June 1994 He allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head at the grave site of his fiancee. Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" a month earlier by allegedly shooting herself in the back of the head. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones' sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson Died May 1994 Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprised at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas state trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Jones.Gandy Baugh Died Jan. 8, 1994 Attorney representing Dan Lasater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct.

Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. Lasater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was convicted of cocaine distribution. Baugh's law partner was also "committed suicide" one month later on Feb. 9, 1994.Dr. Ronald Rogers Dentist from Arkansas Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a London Sunday Telegraph reporter to reveal information about Clinton scandals.Stanley Huggins Partner in Memphis law firm Investigating Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, he was reported to have succumbed to viral pneumonia. His 300-page report has never been released.

Calvin Walraven A key witness in Joycelyn Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman, said no foul play is suspected.Neil Moody Died Aug. 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moody's son, Neil, died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person. Then his car sped off and hit a brick wall.Johnny Franklin Lawhon Died March 29, 1998 In the spring of 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's Transmission shop and opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashier's check drawn on Madison and payable to Bill Clinton. Lawhon realized what he was looking at and turned the box of documents over to the FBI. According to police, Lawhon and a friend hit a telephone pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left the road. They had driven less than a quarter mile at the time of the impact.Eric Butera An informant who came forward offering information regarding the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. He was then sent into a known crack house to make an undercover buy for the police and was beaten to death.

Suzanne Coleman Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy allowed. Was seven months pregnant at time of her death. She had told friends it was Bill Clinton's child.

Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died Dec. 9, 1992 Died in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car, indicating a very high speed. A very attractive woman, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death. Clinton, through a spokesman, called Gober's death "a great personal loss." He also said, "Hillary and I extend our sincere sympathy to Paula's family. I had the privilege of working with her over many years."

Judy Gibbs Penthouse model and call girl Judy Gibbs, who appeared in the December 1979 issue of Penthouse, and her sister Sharon were part of a house of prostitution in Fordyce, Arkansas, that also engaged in blackmail of its more powerful clients. Linked to Bill Clinton by both her own family and by one of Bill's bodyguards, Judy had just decided to cooperate with police in an investigation of Arkansas cocaine trafficking when she burned to death inside her home from a fire of undetermined origin.

Paul Wilcher Washington attorney investigating gun running out of Mena, Arkansas. Died June 22, 1993 Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever reported by the coroner. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October Surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the assault on the Waco, Texas, Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three weeks before his death.Jon Parnell Walker Resolution Trust Commission investigator Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony.

Ron Brown Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary Died May 3, 1996. Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify. No autopsy was performed.

Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer Died Nov. 29, 1996 As the scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all about John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced.Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.

Kevin Ives and Don Henry. Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on railroad tracks in Arkansas on Aug. 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the state medical examiner Fahmy Malak, appointed at the pleasure of Gov. Bill Clinton. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug operation.

Keith Coney. Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 while being chased by a car. Ruled a traffic accident.Keith McKaskle McKaskle had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988. He had told his family someone was out to kill him and told them "goodbye."Gregory Collins Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot blast to the face in January 1989. Declared a suicide.

Paul Olson A federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished two days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8, 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994, Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.Jeff Rhodes He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, specifically that his hands and feet had been partially sawed off, leading to the speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. The body was then burned.James Milan Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.Richard Winters Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry, and had offered to cooperate. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" in July 1989.

Dan Harmon, the prosecutor to whom Winters reportedly made the offer, has been accused of involvement in the Kevin/Ives deaths and is now in jail for running his office as a racket.Jordan Kettleson Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

Since Bush had been Googled and callled a fascist I thought I'd Google Clinton to see what I could come up with! Not a bad track record for knowing the Clintons??

[ells]

BD,

You double listed a few there, plus any implication is vague at best. Let's look at the Bush dead, about 4000 and counting.

[blowndodge]

I'll match that remark about the death of soldiers and say 50K+ for Johnson (Dem) Care to guess which presidents sent more soldiers to their death?? I know,,,, you equate death of a soldier in war the same as domestic murder of witnesses ..... good answer

[Kawhead]

WOW! Clinton was a busy boy. And gun control was one of the very first things on his agenda. Enough to make common since folk see the light.

[ells]

BD,
Not much there in your list but circumstantial bias, innuendo, and conspiracy theory. Granted some fishy stuff but no proof or convictions, mostly accidents, suicides, or unrelated demise. Whereas the lost of a soldier's life or an innocent citizen for any reason is devastating, particularly when there is good reason to believe it was not necessary and potentially contrived (Iraq specifically of course.) I hope you'll see my distinction.

Back the topic of the thread - it shouldn't be too surprising to find Clinton's name on the financial fault list and maybe surprising that it wasn't lower. He led the country for 8 years leading into this and the pieces certianly didn't all just jump into place during the last 8 years. Lot of the actions of the Clinton's to help people own houses were latched onto by the clever and greedy and probably didn't mater who was in the presidency next, in any event Bush was obviously not capable of halting or fixing things when it got out of control.

[blowndodge]

Ells this issue is, is that Bush left office, not my favorite conservative but he's gone and I know that for 4 years the "can't get over it Liberasl" are going to chase him till the ends of the earth.

clinton ADMITTED lied to the federal govt under oath and 99% of the Liberal media and voters actually stated, "so what?" Clinton has admitted having a sex issue with women just like that loser JFK (who couldn't get through college without tons of family support money). Liberals have tried unsuccessfully to hang Reagan, Bush1 and Bush 2 (duh i remember Nixon too to don't get all excited). these are good family guys with family values that some of the Liberal's don't think matters. I believe someone said they didn't care if their president cheated on his taxes and wife as long as he is a good president?!!

Soldiers that die during conflict is not considered murder. Get over it. Bush didn't lie about the information given to him by the CIA and OTHER Countries!! Get over it! It wasn't the best of plans but GET OVER IT!. To call him a murderer is akin to saying "the brother man is keeping me down!" GET OVER IT.....

If all you have it "Bush murdered 4000 troups" You gladly handed me victory your lack of definition of the word murder.

Next debate??

[ells]

BD,

We'll see how the war-crimes trials go.

[blowndodge]

sure......

it's kind of hard to hold the president responsible and not hold the congress which voted for the action responsible as well. To me it is very telling that the democrats went along with Bush at first for the first couple of years until it was election time, then they went out of their way to demonstrate their differences. Why was that? the democrats who voted for the war were complicit in the act of war and should also be held responsible if you're going to hold the president responsible.

But I guess we haven't considered this huh?

[pagemastr]

Originally Posted by Blowndodge "Darksider"

Ells this issue is, is that Bush left office, not my favorite conservative but he's gone and I know that for 4 years the "can't get over it Liberasl" are going to chase him till the ends of the earth.

Bush out of office: <1 month
Clinton out of office >8 Years! Who is chasing who where?

GET OVER IT.....
GET OVER IT.....
GET OVER IT.....

[blowndodge]

Bush won....

Remember how long crying liberals screamed over that one? BUSH WON!!! Twice. I still hear crying over that!! If fact the Liberals held the election hostage until it was clear that..........BUSH WON!!

Clinton by the way is still very active in politics...... fair game as far as I'm concerned. We'll see if W is complaining 8 years from now over politics like the Clinton's do.. Chances are he'll be like his father and not stick his neck out and make a fool of himself like Bill's done!!

[pagemastr]

Originally Posted by Blowndodge "Darksider"

Clinton by the way is still very active in politics...... fair game as far as I'm concerned. We'll see if W is complaining 8 years from now over politics like the Clinton's do.. Chances are he'll be like his father and not stick his neck out and make a fool of himself like Bill's done!!

No need to look ahead, I will just need to look back at the 'bushisms' in the years ahead if I need to humor myself in regards to his politics. All of the evidence i need to see the fool he made of himself the past 8 years.

My favorite: Bush said that Iraq’s “not having weapons of mass destruction was a significant disappointment.”

Looks like until we get out of Iraq, this one might be around for a while though.