Caddmann air filter and cobra fi2000

[upside22]

If I do the Caddman air filter add (will probably use K&N 9" filters) how should I change the settings on the fi2000 fuel processor? I have V&H Dual Baggers as well. Should I stay with the 3 5 0 setting or change to something different?

[macmac]

Well the right side filter will be the working one, and what ever is on the left will just be there.

Cj is the man for your unit. I run the TFI.

Still, I would turn all pots off, and set up pot 1 with a tach if you have one, and if not with a careful ear, feeling the bike vibrate to best RPM.

Then pot 2 in a series of test rides to refine where full romp is. Pot 3 is 0 since the ecu does that part of the job fine as is.

The TFI has a pot 4... not a problem of yours.

The pot numbers are suggestions, not written in stone. So no one gets 'best' by painting by numbers.

[trosco]

Upside: I had a Hypercharger and V&H Duals and a Cobra FI2000R on my bike (2007 Nomad) for a while. That included part of a half day of on and off play on a Chassis dyno. With a sniffer on the bike we ended up at 3 / 5.5 / 0.5 for a setting when configured that way but my bike has had some mild work on the heads.
I planned to pull the V&H cause even with stock baffles they were too loud for the touring style riding I do. Don't get me wrong, they sounded great as long as I didn't have to listen to them for 10 hours at 70 plus MPH but there are to many days where I do just that.
Anyway tried several pipe configurations and re-did FI settings with sniffer each time. Result for settings were so very close to the out of the box recomended 3 / 5 / 0 that you could hardly go wrong just leaving it there.
Just as a FYI, we've done some work on the heads of my bike, it still has the HyperCharger and I have the stock exhaust back on just de baffled now. We ended up on my bike configured that way with 3 / 4.75 / 0.5 and we got the same HP an TQ numbers with it just at at 3 / 5 / 0 but, the sniffer liked it just the tinyest bit leaner in the 2000-4000 RPM range and a just the tinyest bit richer on WOT above 4000 RPM.

[upside22]

macmac, trosco,

Thanks guys. The reason I'm doing this is not for more power but to try and help the gas mileage. It's been running at about 32-34mpg this spring and that just isn't what I think it should get. I suspect part of the problem is that it just isn't breathing well with the stock air filter. Amazon has the spectre air filter/chrome top for $13 and the E-3257 K&N filter for $10 and that was just too attractive to pass up. I can pop this on the right side and see what happens.

I'll leave the settings at 3-5-0, put on the air filter and check out the gas mileage and see where it goes. It sounds like the biggest impact the fi2000 would have on mileage would be with the green pot. If the air filter doesn't help much I might try adjusting it down 1/2 turn and see what it does.

I just got the 07 Nomad in Feb after 25 years away from the motorcycle world. Seems to be a lot you can do to this bike.

I'll let you all know what I find out.

[upside22]

Trosco,

I packed my V&H baggers with muffler wool and it helped a *little* bit, but not much. The longest run I've done so far is only about 250mi and the sound didn't bother me too bad -- but then at 60yrs old I have very bad tinnitus and hearing loss (too many shotgun shells with no ear plugs). When I take out the hearing aids and put on the helmet the pipes sound nice and mellow to me! In fact, they are almost too mellow, they tend to put me in daydream land at about 60 miles out, not good on a bike!

[macmac]

HUH? What? You say you have a ring in you ear? man sometimes ya gotta yell at me ya know! You some kinda long hair hippy with a ring in yer ear?

Lord knows i am and have 4 rings in mine, 2 per side, and I made the rings with my own hands and skewered my wanting son with another one. That was fun Mista'!

My 06 1600 had it's best MPG's around 46/48, but i fooled around with a car tire which I simply love, and dropped it down to 40/44 ish. I can live with that.

I run 2 coasters, close capped off, a right side only paper or cloth filter in spector, left side naked by choice, TFI and V&H baggers with what ever is left of any glass packin' (probably none)

All full syn oils any where i can put oil.

And a odd thing which seems stupid and or should make a bigger problem..... Desert dawgs on the crash bars. With these off I get worse MPG's Don't ask me why because i just know it happens.

These smarter guys than me tell me I am more stream lined, but i don't 'know' that. All I know is with them on I get better MPG's and if it's rainin' which it usually is in Hell's Bump New Hampster, if i go fast enough I will stay drier.

The best day yet was last summer with the car tire even. I filled up in the morning with cold fuel, which had to have helped some.

I rode all day with friends till we had to split the trail, and I headed home and got gas again with 198 miles on the clock, and that yellow warning light just flickered on once and had gone out.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Upside, remember even though you aren't hearing sounds as you once did doesn't mean it might not be too loud. Be careful and don't damage your hearing further.

[trosco]

Upside, notice that you didn't do a new member intro. You should do that and add city, State you live in to your profile. You might be right next door to someone that can help you?
If a person rides hard and fast exclusively you can drive the mileage down to the the 32MPG range or even below if pulling a trailer) on one of the 1600 Nomads. But If you ride like most 60 years olds (I'm 62) there are some hamer down days but most days are mixes of reasonable speeds on interstates, secondary hwys, some city and so on. You should see things bouncing around between 36-42 MPG and 38 or 39 MPG should be your long term average.
If you want you can turn the FI box off completely by dialing all 3 pots to 0. It won't hurt anything to do that. You'll just be running off the stock FI fuel curve. You should run premium then (as is recomended by maw Kaw) to avoid lean condition related spark knock especially with the V&H and the slight Air mod. Then you can experiment with 1-3-0 and 2-4-0 and 3-5-0 settings to see where you get best results. That would be where your spark knock is gone and you can run mid or regular grade fuels while still getting reasonable mileage for your riding style.
Bet it will be real close to 3-5-0 though!

[upside22]

trosco,

Took you advice abt adding state and new member intro.

Yeah, I can't figure out why the mileage is so low.

It's got a clearview windshield, big lowers from jack logabill (sp?), and a nice crashbar bra so it's pushing a lot of wind. And, of course, it's pulling my 300lbs which is probably a lot of the reason!!!! Lost 40lbs in the last 4 months tho, still got 50 more to go before the doctor might quit frowning!

That's why I'm hoping the Caddmann air filter will help a little bit. I can't believe its breathing well through that little pipe.

I did take off the idle control solenoids this afternoon and plugged the reed valve inlet and took it for a ride. Jeeesh, it's a lot quieter! Both from the motor and the tailpipe, no more popping now when you roll off the throttle.

I did make sure the fi2000 was set to 3-5 for the first two and set the third one at 0.5. Now when you go up a little slope it will start to labor but keep up its speed. You don't have to roll on throttle to maintain speed. Don't know if that means increased gas mileage or not -- but we'll see. I want to wait for the new air filter before I start tracking mileage.

Thanks for the info -- sure am glad I found this forum.

[upside22]

Originally Posted by AlabamaNomadRider

Upside, remember even though you aren't hearing sounds as you once did doesn't mean it might not be too loud. Be careful and don't damage your hearing further.

Yep, that's what the doctor said. I don't shoot much anymore -- just varmits along the back fence row -- and the hawks and owls are doing a good job at cleaning them up over the past couple of years. I still swear one of the owls got our old tomcat a couple of years ago!

Doc said to *really* watch out for earphones and earbuds. They can really pump the db level out if you aren't careful.

The only nice thing is that now I have an excuse for not hearing what mama says!

Thanks for the advice, see you down the road.

[macmac]

The Cadman isn't just a K&N filter on the left. Not at all... It is a dual filter, but just the right side is working as the main filter. I wouldn't say the left does nothing, bit what ever it does is meaningless..

I ran that set up, in fact first set up by Cad himself. That bike was stolen, and at the time he did it i was his house guest, and I had 3 broken ribs or I would have done it myself.

Since then I replaced my 901 1500 with a 06 1600 and it had a duel cadman for a while, but i wanted right side only and so took off the left and that cross over pipe.

Umm I weigh about 150 max.... less in summer.. But even 2 up I get better MPG's than you currently and that should be fixable to a point. I tend to ride easy, alone even 2 up is alone and have nothing to prove. Also I am rural enough that I can choose roads and not really see over 5 cars all day. If I want to see cars I can choose other roads..

[upside22]

Originally Posted by macmac

The Cadman isn't just a K&N filter on the left. Not at all... It is a dual filter, but just the right side is working as the main filter. I wouldn't say the left does nothing, bit what ever it does is meaningless..

Yep, that's why I removed the ICS units. When the air cleaner gets here tomorrow I can just add it on the right side and see what happens. I'll just leave the left side as it is right now. Might change it over later for symmetry.

Umm I weigh about 150 max.... less in summer.. But even 2 up I get better MPG's than you currently and that should be fixable to a point. I tend to ride easy, alone even 2 up is alone and have nothing to prove. Also I am rural enough that I can choose roads and not really see over 5 cars all day. If I want to see cars I can choose other roads..

I live on the edge of Topeka. I can hit the highways out of town with either one stop light if I go north or no stop lights if I go south. I'm not a drag racer but I probably don't slow down much either <grin>, left over attitude from running so many enduros I guess. Still trying to get used to laying the bike over in the corners but then this isn't a good time of year for pushing the limits, too much left-over sand in too many unexpected spots.

I'm going to keep working on it till I figure out where the gas is going. Next thing might be to get a GPS to check out the odometer to see if that is causing an issue.

Thanks for the help.

[upside22]

I got the spectre packages and the two K&N filters. Added the one on the right side. MAN! Did that make a difference in the low end!

I don't see much difference in rolling on the throttle at 70mph in high but rolling the throttle on in 3rd and 4th with a low rpm the old bike just gets up and goes. Before it would just whine a lot but didn't really have much pickup till the rpms picked up. I didn't try it but I actually think I could start it in 2nd gear and just go from a stop sign.

This is with the fi2000r set at 3-5-0.5.

I'll have to play with it to see if I can set it better. Supposed to rain Fri and Sat so won't get to play with it much.

I've got a 240mi round trip scheduled for Sunday or Monday (no school on Monday for the students so I don't have to go in either!). We'll see if the gas mileage shows any improvement. It'll give me a chance to see if cranking the middle pot gives any improvement with throttle roll-on at higher speeds.

[macmac]

3-5-0.5. Huh?

4th and 5th are both over drives...

Sand you want sand??? Comon' up heya' I got sand, the roads look like the beach. It snowed 2 nights back ya know..