1700 under seat storage?

andyvh1959 · 12-30-2021, 11:03 PM

One thing about internet cycle reviews, is no one obviously has to confirm that anything posted is true, factual, accurate to what is posted by the manufacturer press releases. In fact, magazines like Ultimate Motorcycling is famous for largely printing exactly what is in a manufacturer's press release. But a lot of internet reviews only serve to create advertising pages so what do they care about accuracy.

So today I find on Hotcars.com a review of the current VN1700 Vaquero that details how it compares to the likes of Harley and others. Sure, some features we always have known, but this report tells of a great feature, one I've never heard: under seat storage for helmets! Wait! What? The 1700 Vaquero has under seat storage for helmets? Something like a BMW 650 Scooter? The BMW features a huge storage area under the flip up seat that even expands as needed to store large items like helmets. But on the BMW scooter the chassis packaging is nothing like a big cruiser.

It just irks me that these internet "reviews" are not at all accurate. Imagine going to your Kawwy dealer and asking about the under seat storage for helmets feature on the Vaqureo.

The Black Knight · 12-31-2021, 04:17 AM

You are right,mate. I agree with you.

Happy New Year to you and your family!

mbarr10 · 12-31-2021, 03:12 PM

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**Sabre-t** · 01-01-2022, 12:31 AM

Well sure. If you take out the battery and cover, there's plenty of room for a tiny skid lid.

The Black Knight · 01-01-2022, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabre-t

Well sure. If you take out the battery and cover, there's plenty of room for a tiny skid lid.

Monkeyman · 01-02-2022, 06:12 PM

Aren't there helmet locks under the seat? Could be that's actually what they were referring to.

**JD Hog** · 01-02-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Aren't there helmet locks under the seat? Could be that's actually what they were referring to.

Not that I am aware of.

The Black Knight · 01-03-2022, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JD Hog

Not that I am aware of.

I agree with you.

BigDog1294 · 01-03-2022, 10:27 AM

There are two helmet hooks on the upper frame rail under the seat. Unlock the seat, slide the D-ring over the hook, lock the seat back in place. The helmet(s) hang over the side covers. PIA to use (never used mine) but they are there.

andyvh1959 · 01-03-2022, 11:19 AM

Aha, I knew someone here could make sense of it. Not "under seat" helmet storage at all. And your comment about them being a PIA to use further tells me the author of the internet review did not actually use or ride the bike and its features.

I grew up on motorcycles reading the cycle magazines from the 70s and 80s, back when they actually rode the bikes, did maintenance on the bikes, really evaluated them. Now all you get is some nit on the internet making believe to actually know anything about it, but not actually riding it.

**buckey1313** · 01-10-2022, 07:36 AM

Helmet locks by the motorcycle manufacturers are always in the most useless place that ever could be imagined I find. Your helmet ends up getting cooked by the pipes sometimes or they are just terrible to get at and be useful. On my Kawasaki Nomad I mounted the locks to the rear carrier on the sides. On my Suzuki 1400 Intruder when I installed saddlebags there was no way I was getting at the factory location so I installed from https://lidlox.com/ handle bar mounted helmet locks.

I think manufacturers and their R&D department need to take another look at their design or maybe fire the design team and get a new team going.

andyvh1959 · 01-11-2022, 05:49 PM

Just shows that a marketable feature isn't always a usable feature. Or that whoever designed the feature never really had to use it. Like many things, the designer was likely told "marketing shows we have to add helmet locks to the new model. You are allotted $5 as the entire cost per bike to get that done. Now get on it, need the proposal complete for tomorrow morning. Just get it done, don't care how you do it."

The Black Knight · 01-26-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andyvh1959

Just shows that a marketable feature isn't always a usable feature. Or that whoever designed the feature never really had to use it. Like many things, the designer was likely told "marketing shows we have to add helmet locks to the new model. You are allotted $5 as the entire cost per bike to get that done. Now get on it, need the proposal complete for tomorrow morning. Just get it done, don't care how you do it."

12-30-2021, 11:03 PM	#1
andyvh1959 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Green Bay WI Posts: 760	1700 under seat storage? One thing about internet cycle reviews, is no one obviously has to confirm that anything posted is true, factual, accurate to what is posted by the manufacturer press releases. In fact, magazines like Ultimate Motorcycling is famous for largely printing exactly what is in a manufacturer's press release. But a lot of internet reviews only serve to create advertising pages so what do they care about accuracy. So today I find on Hotcars.com a review of the current VN1700 Vaquero that details how it compares to the likes of Harley and others. Sure, some features we always have known, but this report tells of a great feature, one I've never heard: under seat storage for helmets! Wait! What? The 1700 Vaquero has under seat storage for helmets? Something like a BMW 650 Scooter? The BMW features a huge storage area under the flip up seat that even expands as needed to store large items like helmets. But on the BMW scooter the chassis packaging is nothing like a big cruiser. It just irks me that these internet "reviews" are not at all accurate. Imagine going to your Kawwy dealer and asking about the under seat storage for helmets feature on the Vaqureo. __________________ My $1200 Vulcan, to start from. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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The Black Knight Top Contributor Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Italy Posts: 6,090	You are right,mate. I agree with you. Happy New Year to you and your family! __________________ VBA 02514 - VROC 35394 VN 800 A - VN 900 Classic VN 1700 Vaquero Usque ad finem.
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Monkeyman Top Contributor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Wilkesboro, NC Posts: 6,289	Aren't there helmet locks under the seat? Could be that's actually what they were referring to. __________________ Christopher "Monkeyman" Gray ---------------------------- Widows Sons "Overseers" Patriot Guard Rider USArmy 1987-1990 2021 Can Am Spyder RT 2018 Can Am Spyder RT Limited - SOLD 2014 Nomad - SOLD 2012 Victory Vision - SOLD 2007 Black Nomad - SOLD VMC #9367 VBA #1860
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01-03-2022, 10:27 AM	#9
BigDog1294 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Atlanta GA area Posts: 127	There are two helmet hooks on the upper frame rail under the seat. Unlock the seat, slide the D-ring over the hook, lock the seat back in place. The helmet(s) hang over the side covers. PIA to use (never used mine) but they are there. __________________ Big Dog Atlanta, GA 2011 Vaquero
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01-03-2022, 11:19 AM	#10
andyvh1959 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Green Bay WI Posts: 760	Aha, I knew someone here could make sense of it. Not "under seat" helmet storage at all. And your comment about them being a PIA to use further tells me the author of the internet review did not actually use or ride the bike and its features. I grew up on motorcycles reading the cycle magazines from the 70s and 80s, back when they actually rode the bikes, did maintenance on the bikes, really evaluated them. Now all you get is some nit on the internet making believe to actually know anything about it, but not actually riding it. __________________ My $1200 Vulcan, to start from.
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01-01-2022, 12:31 AM	#4
Sabre-t Join Date: May 2015 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 838	Well sure. If you take out the battery and cover, there's plenty of room for a tiny skid lid.
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01-10-2022, 07:36 AM	#11
buckey1313 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Westlock, Alberta Posts: 442	Helmet locks by the motorcycle manufacturers are always in the most useless place that ever could be imagined I find. Your helmet ends up getting cooked by the pipes sometimes or they are just terrible to get at and be useful. On my Kawasaki Nomad I mounted the locks to the rear carrier on the sides. On my Suzuki 1400 Intruder when I installed saddlebags there was no way I was getting at the factory location so I installed from https://lidlox.com/ handle bar mounted helmet locks. I think manufacturers and their R&D department need to take another look at their design or maybe fire the design team and get a new team going. __________________ Dave Leyh Edmonton, Alberta 2009 Kawasaki 1700 Vulcan Nomad
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01-11-2022, 05:49 PM	#12
andyvh1959 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Green Bay WI Posts: 760	Just shows that a marketable feature isn't always a usable feature. Or that whoever designed the feature never really had to use it. Like many things, the designer was likely told "marketing shows we have to add helmet locks to the new model. You are allotted $5 as the entire cost per bike to get that done. Now get on it, need the proposal complete for tomorrow morning. Just get it done, don't care how you do it." __________________ My $1200 Vulcan, to start from.
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