maybe you wanna know about it..

[jandijkgraaf]

http://www.super-lube.com/super-lube...ent-ez-200.htm

NOT..a waiste of time..for sure!

[Cajunrider]

Sounds good but how will this affect a wet clutch?

[trosco]

PTFE resins (Teflon & silicone) products have been dropped from their product lines for several years by all the major manufacturers. They breakdown chemically when subject to high temps. When subject to high temps like those that occur in internal combustion engine cylinder heads their life expectancy could be measured in minutes. Teflon coated rod bearings (blue) are about the only successful application that I know of in 4 cycle engines.
I am guessing it would addversely effect our wet clutches but there is no reason to use it even if it didn't.

[jandijkgraaf]

I don't really know how this stuff would effect the wet clutch yet.
Also..the chemical breakdown point at high temp is a valid
question,I asked one of their experts those questions by mail,but
all I got back for an answer was a redirection to their site only to
read a pdf file I've already seen.
B.T.W..the stuff is not silicone or teflon based,but another substance called syncolon,with different characteristics.

This is what I found for an explanation...

What is the difference between Syncolon® with PTFE and TEFLON®?
Synco Chemical Corporation originally set out to find a replacement for Teflon® because so many companies are inadequately using or claiming use of the brand. Though DuPont tries to monitor the claims by marketing companies, we believe the Teflon® name is becoming generic and has lost its impact. Because of this Synco has decided to invest in its own brand of Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE); Syncolon®.



How does the chemistry of Super Lube® differ from conventional petroleum based greases and mineral oils?
Super Lube® Grease and Oils are exceptionally pure lubricants because they are synthetic. This gives Super Lube® very stable and predictable chemical properties. Petroleum-based machine and gear oils are made from refined crude oil and contain impurities, which cannot be removed. These impurities interfere with film strength and wear protection. They also form deposits at high temperatures and solidify at low temperatures. The synthetic properties of Super Lube® Multipurpose Greases and Oils provide predictable viscosity and reliable film strength to reduce wear between moving parts. The addition of Syncolon® (PTFE) adds additional protection in the form of a long lasting solid lubricant.

Finally..the reason I'm looking for these kind of products is to try
killing the shifting clunck and engine noise.
Also..a fifty thousant miles protection seems to be a good idea.

[MAS Tequila]

You will never get rid of the shifting clunk. If you understood how the constant mesh trans in a 1500/1600 is designed you would know that the clunk will always be there. PERIOD

As far as the engine noise, take one apart. There are too many moving pieces with way too much free play for any oil or additive to take it away.

Once again take one apart.

Use a high quality synthetic oil in the appropriate viscosity for your climate.

Don't waste your money on 'snake oils'. The ptfe will cause your clutch to slip.

MT

[jandijkgraaf]

O.K..Dragon..I take your word for it,and will drop the search for
additives,maybe it's because I have a half synthetic oil in the
engine right now.
Next oil change I'll try full synthetic and see what happens.

However..to cure the clunk I found something.
Between first and second gear Just before the schift I give a
little pressure upwards to the paddle before pulling the
clutch handle..then shift.
Result..no clunk but a smooth shift.
Does'nt work all the time..needs more practice I suppose.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

I will always use full synthetics from now on. The only oil I have run other than synthetic was Kawasaki oil.

As for the shift to second I tried to explain to Mitch that I applie gentle but firm pressure like trying to put it in neutral but the firm push keeps in going and it goes in second pretty smoothly most of the time. It is a procedure you will have to get the feel for yourself. Like Dragonchaser says there is always going to be some clunk. My Honda's did it and no different with the Kawasaki. It is inbred in bikes.

[jandijkgraaf]

Originally Posted by AlabamaNomadRider

I will always use full synthetics from now on. The only oil I have run other than synthetic was Kawasaki oil.

As for the shift to second I tried to explain to Mitch that I applie gentle but firm pressure like trying to put it in neutral but the firm push keeps in going and it goes in second pretty smoothly most of the time. It is a procedure you will have to get the feel for yourself. Like Dragonchaser says there is always going to be some clunk. My Honda's did it and no different with the Kawasaki. It is inbred in bikes.

I had no choice about the oil,dealer put it in,and i don't want to
take it out yet,only when it's time to do so.

About the shifting issue..I had many bikes with no shifting
problems at all..smooth as silk.
So..I gues it is vulcan related and one has to live with it.
But..I agree one has to develope a feel for it.

B.T.W..what brand would you call a high quality synth oil?
What do you use yerself ?

[cnc]

It is curious their claim of protection for up to 50,000 miles for an oil additive. Who would go 50,000 miles between oil changes?

Jandijkgraaf, I have either got used to the 1st to 2nd shift or never had much of a clunk. I use Kawasaki 10w40 synthetic.
Perhaps what you think is engine noise is the solenoids around the throttle body opening and closing. they make quite a knocking sound.

[jandijkgraaf]

Quote ; It is curious their claim of protection for up to 50,000 miles for an oil additive. Who would go 50,000 miles between oil changes?

That's not the point.
Oil changes has nothing to do with it.
It would be a one time operation.
To establish a permanent long lasting protection.

[snarleybill08]

dupont quit selling ptfe to the scam companies because it did'nt work and could damage you engine. it is a solid that will settle out of the oil and clog things up. the companies were forced to buy ptfe from foreign countries. i have to trust dupont on this one. they invented it.

[snarleybill08]

all of the premium grade oils contain top of the line additive packages. the oil companies will tell you that adding snake oil additives can degrade the balance of there additive packages.

[jandijkgraaf]

Maybe you're right..maybe you're wrong.
I don't know anymore.
I think the best advice from a member here is just
to use a best quality synth oil,and forget about the rest.
After all..I think that's the way to go.
But..always..but..I think there is no harm talking about these things..I appreciate all comments.

[cnc]

Originally Posted by jandijkgraaf

Quote ; It is curious their claim of protection for up to 50,000 miles for an oil additive. Who would go 50,000 miles between oil changes?

That's not the point.
Oil changes has nothing to do with it.
It would be a one time operation.
To establish a permanent long lasting protection.

Sorry I looked around at the link too quickly and thought they were offering a synthetic motor oil with PTFE in it and not just an additive.
Still a pretty tall claim in my mind.
There have been reports of some pretty high mileage Nomads on here, so adverse affects on the clutch would be more of a concern to me than anything one might hope to gain in extra engine longevity with this product.

[flightdoc]

the slight pressure being referred to, during shifting, is call PRE-LOADING. Most experienced riders discover it eventually, without even thinking about it.. It does take practice to get used to doing it without thinking about it but becoming a good rider , in general, takes practice too.

vin