With V&H, MUST I add the other stuff?

[scott2007nomad]

I'm considering V&H baggers but MUST I add the other stuff like power command, TFI, Hypercharger, etc.?

I don't really know what all of the above is but I imagine that it won't be cheap.

The pipes would already push my budget so I don't know if I could afford the rest.

Thanks,
Scott M. Kelm

[mac]

From my understanding (and experience on my 1500 Classic) if only doing the pipes you won't need anything else. If you change your air intake, then you'd want the TFI or PCIII, etc.

[cactusjack]

Originally Posted by scott2007nomad KawaNOW #00481

I'm considering V&H baggers but MUST I add the other stuff like power command, TFI, Hypercharger, etc.?

I don't really know what all of the above is but I imagine that it won't be cheap.

The pipes would already push my budget so I don't know if I could afford the rest.

Thanks,
Scott M. Kelm

No, you don't have to buy all that other stuff. If you were to open your intake up AND add the pipes, then your fuel/air mixture would become very lean and you would need a fuel processor.

Most people do the "big 3" (pipes/intake/fuel processor) in order to wake their bikes up and get more optimum performance out of it. It's up to you how far you care to go.

[ringadingh]

It will work great with just the pipes on there, you can always add the other stuff over time.

[billmac]

Living in Texas, I would get the TFI before the pipes. The TFI made my bike run so much cooler, idle better, eliminate the ping, and loose the cough. My V&H just made me look like an old man with pipes on his ride.

[macmac]

A fuel modual like TFI and or Cobra would be good with or with any other mod. IMO the PC III is overly sophisicated for our use, unless you are into laptop computers and are a gear head as well.

The TFI which I run and have on 2 bikes, setting up a 3rd bike works fine, and so will Cobra's version.

A hypercharger is just the most expensive big air cleaner you can buy.... It has no impellors to pack more ait, so there is no charger about it. It is all hype.

They look cool, but that is where the preformance factor stops. Any big air filter does the same thing, when it is mointed in the same place, that is at the intake throttle body, and not of the far left.

I just saved you 100 off the pc III and 200 off or more on the air filter.

A spector kit is the cheapest you can go, throwing away the base plate even.. saving the filter and the chrome top.

There is a few details about any and all change, as even the V&H requires 4 extra flat washers at the engine studs so far as I know.

There has been a recent change I HAVE NOT SEEN. V&H now comes with a mounting flange!

Before we were forced to use the stock 2 piece flange, which I understand it thicker, and that still needed a extra washer.

I heard V&H now comes with head pipe to head crush gaskets as well. If not you need 2.

[reddog]

Originally Posted by macmac

IMO the PC III is overly sophisicated for our use, unless you are into laptop computers and are a gear head as well.

And what's wrong with that?!?! My laptop has gotten me out of several hairy situations, especially with these newfangled computer driven cars like my Jetta. Plug in the laptop, start the sequence, and it tells you "Hey stupid, you didn't tighten your gas cap, that's why the check engine light is on!" Or other similar messages like "Buy some windshield washer fluid, I'm dirty!" or "Next time, put in ALL the oil you bought for an oil change, and don't leave that greasy bottle sitting in my seats, nimrod!" Yup, sure beats tearing everything down to check things like oxygen and MAF sensors. Ahhh, modern technology... By the way, MAF and crankcase position sensors are a royal pain in the rastafarian naynay's. Took me months to figure out why my Buick randomly stalled for 10 minutes at a time!

Anyway- from what I know, most nomads run lean to begin with, so an injection modifier of some kind is advisable even without mods. But just changing the exhaust shouldn't affect the mixture enough to cause a problem. Just my $.2!

[macmac]

Originally Posted by reddog

And what's wrong with that?!?! My laptop has gotten me out of several hairy situations, especially with these newfangled computer driven cars like my Jetta. Plug in the laptop, start the sequence, and it tells you "Hey stupid, you didn't tighten your gas cap, that's why the check engine light is on!" Or other similar messages like "Buy some windshield washer fluid, I'm dirty!" or "Next time, put in ALL the oil you bought for an oil change, and don't leave that greasy bottle sitting in my seats, nimrod!" Yup, sure beats tearing everything down to check things like oxygen and MAF sensors. Ahhh, modern technology... By the way, MAF and crankcase position sensors are a royal pain in the rastafarian naynay's. Took me months to figure out why my Buick randomly stalled for 10 minutes at a time!

Anyway- from what I know, most nomads run lean to begin with, so an injection modifier of some kind is advisable even without mods. But just changing the exhaust shouldn't affect the mixture enough to cause a problem. Just my $.2!

Nuthins' wrong with that, but i'd rather ride than tinker in a laptop note book, and when I can't ride i would rather be startin fires with one of my bow drills

Friggin with all that silly non-sence is too much like work.

These days I frig around with industrial vacuum ovens and have to build parts, install parts, and frig around with a variety of codes to set up the controlls.

The last thing I want to do is dink around with a note book on whats supposed to be fun..

Besides that in NH we got this thing called rain... I would need a laptop fit for a scuba diver most any day I get to go play.

Like 27 days in June it rained 1+ inches everyday, and 18 more days in July.

NH ain't got that many bridges..

[reddog]

I'm from the armpit of NY, remember? The last two weeks is the first time since March we haven't seen rain almost every day. I've ridden to work more days in the last two weeks than most of the rest of the summer together! Hence the reason I have a garage. Don't need scuba gear when you gots a garage on high ground ;)

While I'm all for roughin' it in most situations, there's a reason for these computers in all the stupid new cars. I don't need to take the car for a drive and listen to 'clunk clunk clunk' and think- now where the heck have I heard that noise before? I just plug it in and get the parts I need! On the other hand, I often defer judgment to my elder (and more knowledgeable) relatives, lol. There's a lot to be learned by doing all the wrench work while gettin' yelled at :)

Ok, I'm done thread hijacking now...

[superduty]

Hi Scott,
I put the Baggers on first, and the bike felt very sluggish on the highway. It could breathe out I guess, but not in. :) For about a month until the TFI arrived, I didn't use 5th gear at all. There was just no "oomph". In retrospect, I might have done the TFI first in order to get rid of the pinging, and then stopped there. But it's all done now. MPG's are down a little from before, to an average of 34 from 37, but it sounds good and runs great.

[macmac]

The other reason all cars 96 and up have computers is so the goobermint can get into yer pants just about. There is a black box in 96 and up that records stuff. And make no doubt the goobermint is in on it.

If you screw up bad enough that computer gets read...

NH checks this info once every year on state inspection. Another part of this reads out stored CO levels, but it contains other info as well.

Being old school and a diagnostics tech I don't need no sticking computer to tell me whats what. So I don't drive anything that has one, and if I get my way never will.
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superduty your bike was overly lean in the group of overly lean, off on the far end of the scale.

A bike like that will infact loose power when it can breath out too much and no longer can scavange.

If I say that, 100 guys will disagree, because their bike didn't do it too.

[scott2007nomad]

Well, it looks like I'll need at least $600 then for the pipes and TFI.

Maybe I'll find a bargain on Ebay. ::)

Thanks for the replies.

[peabo2k]

Originally Posted by macmac

A fuel modual like TFI and or Cobra would be good with or with any other mod. IMO the PC III is overly sophisticated for our use, unless you are into laptop computers and are a gear head as well.

The TFI which I run and have on 2 bikes, setting up a 3rd bike works fine, and so will Cobra's version.

A hypercharger is just the most expensive big air cleaner you can buy.... It has no impellors to pack more ait, so there is no charger about it. It is all hype.

They look cool, but that is where the preformance factor stops. Any big air filter does the same thing, when it is mointed in the same place, that is at the intake throttle body, and not of the far left.

I just saved you 100 off the pc III and 200 off or more on the air filter.

A spector kit is the cheapest you can go, throwing away the base plate even.. saving the filter and the chrome top.

There is a few details about any and all change, as even the V&H requires 4 extra flat washers at the engine studs so far as I know.

There has been a recent change I HAVE NOT SEEN. V&H now comes with a mounting flange!

Before we were forced to use the stock 2 piece flange, which I understand it thicker, and that still needed a extra washer.

I heard V&H now comes with head pipe to head crush gaskets as well. If not you need 2.

I have Vance and Hines with a fuel management system. However, I do not have the hypercharger or spector kit. Can someone explain the purpose of these systems? Will they make the Nomad louder or improve performance?

[macmac]

Originally Posted by peabo2k

I have Vance and Hines with a fuel management system. However, I do not have the hypercharger or spector kit. Can someone explain the purpose of these systems? Will they make the Nomad louder or improve performance?

More air in is a good thing to get more power. All a hyperchager is, is a big air filter. There are a great deal of big air filters.

The Spector kit is for a car and is one of the least expensive air filters and chrome covers you can buy. It does the same thing a 200 dollar + hypercharger does.

Between there are several other air filter housings as good, for inbetween prices.

You already have 2 of the 3 items you need to get more power.

What you want depends on how much you want to spend.

[Kawhead]

IMHO I say you must add other stuff!!!! Winters a'comin' and this is a good time to be adding that "stuff" to your beloved Nomad. Believe me, it helps warming your heart on a cold winter evening in your garage with a wood stove going.

In some cases, I've found that adding "stuff" to your bike can start a fire in a marriage that's friggin hard to put out! This could turn out to be exciting!