Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" - Page 2

macmac · 05-05-2011, 03:33 PM

Tuff call, but Obama did say we would get change. The best guy to know this would be MAS. his engine is part 1500 case and part 1600 case.

All I can say is I had a like problem on a xs 850 Sh, but had no idea there was a problem.

I was having clutch issues, and in the working found a thrust washer about the same size as a old silver dollar. It was laying flat in a oil puddle under the hyvo chain (primary chain) and with the head of it's bolt which was either 17mm or 19mm hex.

The sticktion oil makes had these glued down pretty good, but I was almost sick when I saw these, think OMG if that jumped into the cahin and gears I would be toast.

A modern penny is copper clad ZINC. These are soft, but the question is are they soft enough?

faxxxy · 05-05-2011, 04:04 PM

Well that's an interesting glimmer of hope. I didn't think there was any hole large enough to let the penny out.
I think I'll give that oil screen hole a whirl.

**MAS Tequila** · 05-05-2011, 04:19 PM

Pull the screen and keep pouring fluid through until it washes out.

It could (not too likely) catch in the trans and cause a problem. I had a very small bolt head break off in a 1600 and it lunched the trans.

If it went in the hole toward the front it will be a little more difficult. The hole by the clutch basket would be a straight shot to the screen.

I would get a couple quarts of CHEAP thin oil, like hydraulic fluid and just keep running it through repeatedly.

Good Luck

MT

reaper · 05-05-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cactusjack

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Originally Posted by mikeyger

One guy got a good flashlight and fished his out of the hole where the oil screen is with a coat hanger I think is what he used. Also could try a wet vac vacum mayby and suck it out!

Sucking up a bunch of oil might destroy an otherwise good vacuum.

Better a vac than an engine

**Cajunrider** · 05-05-2011, 07:47 PM

What might work would be using an air eductor gun. I'm thinking you could leave the bike on the sidestand and remove the screen plug and screen. Shove the gun eductor hose into the screen hole and hit the trigger on the gun. The hose pulls a pretty strong suction. Move the hose around in the crankcase until the air stops or slows down flowing through the gun. Keep the trigger pulled and slowly pull the hose out. You may get lucky and find the penny on the end of the hose after a few tries.

faxxxy · 05-05-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MAS Tequila

If it went in the hole toward the front it will be a little more difficult. The hole by the clutch basket would be a straight shot to the screen.

I've already ridden it about ten miles, so there's no telling where it has come to rest.

AlabamaNomadRider · 05-06-2011, 03:57 AM

You could always do as your wife suggested and sell it and buy a new one.

**schoeney** · 05-06-2011, 06:38 AM

Note to self: Don't buy anything from Gene :-)

caper · 05-06-2011, 08:13 AM

Another reason to stop making pennies:)

faxxxy · 05-06-2011, 07:55 PM

It's out..
The oil screen option was a dead end, but I tore the side off my engine (for the third time) and after removing a large gear over what looks like a magneto, I saw my penny sitting very pretty just inside the hell hole.
Grabbed it with a pair of needle nose.
Now to re-assemble...
I couldn't find a step by step on removing that large gear so I'm hoping I got it all back together correctly.

faxxxy · 05-06-2011, 07:56 PM

Oh and let me say.. WHAT A RELIEF!!

macmac · 05-06-2011, 09:17 PM

Better frame that one....

**ringadingh** · 05-06-2011, 09:31 PM

Probably the hardest youve ever had to sweat for a penny. ;)
Good to hear you got it out. Did it look like it would have been ok had you left it in there?

rickyboy · 05-06-2011, 10:08 PM

I've been staying tuned to this thread with nothing to ad and unable to help.
Glad you got it out. And I'm sure the gear is fine.
You had some good suggestions and help thrown your way.
You just hav'ta love this site and the people.
Don't ya??

**Top Cat** · 05-06-2011, 10:14 PM

And I still don't know what the date of the penny is ::)

05-05-2011, 03:33 PM	#16
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Tuff call, but Obama did say we would get change. The best guy to know this would be MAS. his engine is part 1500 case and part 1600 case. All I can say is I had a like problem on a xs 850 Sh, but had no idea there was a problem. I was having clutch issues, and in the working found a thrust washer about the same size as a old silver dollar. It was laying flat in a oil puddle under the hyvo chain (primary chain) and with the head of it's bolt which was either 17mm or 19mm hex. The sticktion oil makes had these glued down pretty good, but I was almost sick when I saw these, think OMG if that jumped into the cahin and gears I would be toast. A modern penny is copper clad ZINC. These are soft, but the question is are they soft enough? __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it Login or Register to Remove Ads
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05-05-2011, 04:04 PM	#17
faxxxy Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bentonville, Home of Wal-Mart Posts: 142	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Well that's an interesting glimmer of hope. I didn't think there was any hole large enough to let the penny out. I think I'll give that oil screen hole a whirl.
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05-05-2011, 04:19 PM	#18
MAS Tequila Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Psychiatric Ward FL Posts: 3,429	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Pull the screen and keep pouring fluid through until it washes out. It could (not too likely) catch in the trans and cause a problem. I had a very small bolt head break off in a 1600 and it lunched the trans. If it went in the hole toward the front it will be a little more difficult. The hole by the clutch basket would be a straight shot to the screen. I would get a couple quarts of CHEAP thin oil, like hydraulic fluid and just keep running it through repeatedly. Good Luck MT __________________ MT 2016 FLHP Psychiatric Ward FL VBA 936
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05-05-2011, 07:47 PM	#20
Cajunrider Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: (SE Louisiana) Posts: 8,340	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" What might work would be using an air eductor gun. I'm thinking you could leave the bike on the sidestand and remove the screen plug and screen. Shove the gun eductor hose into the screen hole and hit the trigger on the gun. The hose pulls a pretty strong suction. Move the hose around in the crankcase until the air stops or slows down flowing through the gun. Keep the trigger pulled and slowly pull the hose out. You may get lucky and find the penny on the end of the hose after a few tries. __________________ 2016 Electra Glide Ultra Limited CVO Palladium Silver / Phantom Blue 110 cu in SE 2012 Electra Glide Ultra Limited (Traded 6/22/16) Tequila Sunrise / HD Orange Vance & Hines true dual headers Rinehart 4" slip ons Screamin Eagle Super Tuner Screamin Eagle Stage 1 intake Dyno tuned H.O.G.# 4514015 2007 Nomad 1600 (Traded 6/23/12) VBA #482 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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05-06-2011, 03:57 AM	#22
AlabamaNomadRider Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Boaz, Alabama Posts: 13,742	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" You could always do as your wife suggested and sell it and buy a new one. __________________ Gene Cross, Jr. Boaz, Alabama KawaNOW/VBA #1181
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05-06-2011, 06:38 AM	#23
schoeney Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NW Region Posts: 5,222	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Note to self: Don't buy anything from Gene :-) __________________ VBA #659 2003 Nomad 1500 (Gone but never forgotten) 2005 Honda ST1300 - Sweet and still kickin 2006 Honda Goldwing - Best Boat in the Marina
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05-06-2011, 08:13 AM	#24
caper Sr. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,137	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Another reason to stop making pennies:) __________________ Live in the NOW !
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05-06-2011, 07:55 PM	#25
faxxxy Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bentonville, Home of Wal-Mart Posts: 142	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" It's out.. The oil screen option was a dead end, but I tore the side off my engine (for the third time) and after removing a large gear over what looks like a magneto, I saw my penny sitting very pretty just inside the hell hole. Grabbed it with a pair of needle nose. Now to re-assemble... I couldn't find a step by step on removing that large gear so I'm hoping I got it all back together correctly.
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05-06-2011, 07:56 PM	#26
faxxxy Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bentonville, Home of Wal-Mart Posts: 142	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Oh and let me say.. WHAT A RELIEF!!
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05-06-2011, 09:17 PM	#27
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Better frame that one.... __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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05-06-2011, 09:31 PM	#28
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" Probably the hardest youve ever had to sweat for a penny. ;) Good to hear you got it out. Did it look like it would have been ok had you left it in there? __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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05-06-2011, 10:08 PM	#29
rickyboy Top Contributor Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 108 Mile Ranch B.C. Canada Posts: 5,472	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" I've been staying tuned to this thread with nothing to ad and unable to help. Glad you got it out. And I'm sure the gear is fine. You had some good suggestions and help thrown your way. You just hav'ta love this site and the people. Don't ya?? __________________ Nomad'a What ! "rickyboy" Richard Cole Canada West Region 108 Mile Ranch, British Columbia Canada Vulcan Bagger Assoc. #00722 Black 2006 Nomad https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/ico...Book_32x32.png
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05-06-2011, 10:14 PM	#30
Top Cat Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of New York State Posts: 15,154	Dropped a penny in my case. Down the "hell hole" And I still don't know what the date of the penny is ::) __________________ Tim "TC" Conley VBA #9 2011 Victory Kingpin mine 2013 Victory Boardwalk -hers [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [SIZE=4]
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