A spot of something?

clayton · 10-17-2010, 08:35 AM

Hello
Yesterday I noticed a spot of something under the Nomad more so on the right side.
Further investigation lead me to a small black hose that comes from the Water Pump cover on the right side.
I assume that this is like an Over Flow tube?
I will also assume that the spot that was on the ground was coolant?
My observation of the texture and smell was like oil?
Now I know coolant can feel the same but the smell?
Can someone clear up my concerns?
Thanks again :)

macmac · 10-17-2010, 09:27 AM

That seems to discribe the water pump seal which also has a engine oil seal in back of the water pump seal. It is possible to have 3 things happen.

The inner water pump seal can leak and so coolant would be found.

The outter engine seal behind the water pump seal can leak oil and so oil could be found.

And or they both could leak at the same times, and you would find oil and coolant.

A drop of one or both after parking isn't a real big deal, so long as it remains a drop.

In cooler weather the shaft grows a little smaller, parked. There is no pressure on the coolant seal to push it into the shaft either cold.

The oil side seal never has more than crank case pressure, and the larger sized shaft HOT.

This is more or less just something to keep an eye on.

If it becomes a problem there is a cheat to fix the engine oil seal with out splitting the case.

The dealer probably has no idea about the cheat, and if you ask them they will tell you the entire engine case must be split.

trosco · 10-17-2010, 06:53 PM

clayton, if you are still under warranty (regular or extended) get the bike to a dealer and get the leak documented!!! Do it a couple times and complain specifically that it is oil and antifreeze mixed that comes out. The coolant side seal can be replaced with out removing the engine from the frame. It is a $400 parts and labor repair at a Kaw dealer if you are paying the ticket. If on the other hand it is the oil seal or a deffective shaft (which Kaw will not admit to but there are some defective water pump shafts in circulation on the 1600s) it does require removal of the engine from the frame and spliting the cases. You can plan on a near $2,000 bill by the time they are done if you take it back to maw Kaw. I speak from experience!

**ringadingh** · 10-17-2010, 08:47 PM

Put a sheet of clean white paper under the spot where it leaked, you may have a better shot at determining what it is.

clayton · 10-18-2010, 07:31 AM

Well yesterday I crawled under the bike and placed my finger on the end of the tube.
The color is green'ish. So it is coolant.
I am keeping an eye on it and it seems that no other drops have hit the pavement or on the floor in the shed.
Unfortunately it is no longer covered by Maw Kaw
Mac...what is the cheat? :)

**ringadingh** · 10-18-2010, 07:42 AM

Hupefully it was just an isolated drip and you won't see it anymore.
I know about the cheat that Mac mentions. It is buried here on this forum somewhere way back a couple of years. Hopefully someone has saved it for easier reference, our search feature here isn't the best, unless you really know how to get around it.

spirello · 10-18-2010, 03:17 PM

Wipe the hose off really good and wait awhile mine leaked a little at about 20k i cleaned the hose off good and never got another leak. Its been 15k since it first happened and dry as a bone.

macmac · 10-18-2010, 04:07 PM

There is a cheat to install the engine side oil seal backwards thru the shaft space, but that won't work if the shaft is also defective. All you can do is install the seal, and Clayton that isn't a job you can do. It is a techs trick.

A tech can check the shaft and it is is the shaft too, then a new seal might buy time only and other wise the engine would need to be torn down as mentioned on a thread else where here and shown on another site. I don't recall the title, but it is a recent thread.

I know if it were me I would try another cheat and see if i could sleeve a defective water pump drive shaft before I split the case. Then install that seal backwards, but I don't know if that is possible, it just might be.

I sure don't have that kinda dough to pay to Ma Kawii.

On edit: Just tripped over the other thread and the link to the pics on this.

http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2703

rickyboy · 10-18-2010, 10:37 PM

WOW "spirello" you need to get yourself a trailer......that's a load there man.

clayton · 10-19-2010, 05:28 PM

I took a good look today at the hose....it is now dry....
Hopefully it was a fluke....I want my baby to run forever :)

redjay · 10-19-2010, 06:20 PM

My 05 had a few drips of coolant from the weep tube at the start of the season but nothing since.

10-17-2010, 08:35 AM	#1
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	A spot of something? Hello Yesterday I noticed a spot of something under the Nomad more so on the right side. Further investigation lead me to a small black hose that comes from the Water Pump cover on the right side. I assume that this is like an Over Flow tube? I will also assume that the spot that was on the ground was coolant? My observation of the texture and smell was like oil? Now I know coolant can feel the same but the smell? Can someone clear up my concerns? Thanks again :) __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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10-17-2010, 09:27 AM	#2
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	A spot of something? That seems to discribe the water pump seal which also has a engine oil seal in back of the water pump seal. It is possible to have 3 things happen. The inner water pump seal can leak and so coolant would be found. The outter engine seal behind the water pump seal can leak oil and so oil could be found. And or they both could leak at the same times, and you would find oil and coolant. A drop of one or both after parking isn't a real big deal, so long as it remains a drop. In cooler weather the shaft grows a little smaller, parked. There is no pressure on the coolant seal to push it into the shaft either cold. The oil side seal never has more than crank case pressure, and the larger sized shaft HOT. This is more or less just something to keep an eye on. If it becomes a problem there is a cheat to fix the engine oil seal with out splitting the case. The dealer probably has no idea about the cheat, and if you ask them they will tell you the entire engine case must be split. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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10-17-2010, 06:53 PM	#3
trosco Sr. Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,464	A spot of something? clayton, if you are still under warranty (regular or extended) get the bike to a dealer and get the leak documented!!! Do it a couple times and complain specifically that it is oil and antifreeze mixed that comes out. The coolant side seal can be replaced with out removing the engine from the frame. It is a $400 parts and labor repair at a Kaw dealer if you are paying the ticket. If on the other hand it is the oil seal or a deffective shaft (which Kaw will not admit to but there are some defective water pump shafts in circulation on the 1600s) it does require removal of the engine from the frame and spliting the cases. You can plan on a near $2,000 bill by the time they are done if you take it back to maw Kaw. I speak from experience! __________________ trosco: just call me Ross 2007 Black & Titanium Nomad (Nomad made 65K but got replaced 2014) 2010 Titanium Goldwing 2014 KLR 650 New Edition
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10-17-2010, 08:47 PM	#4
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	A spot of something? Put a sheet of clean white paper under the spot where it leaked, you may have a better shot at determining what it is. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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10-18-2010, 07:31 AM	#5
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	A spot of something? Well yesterday I crawled under the bike and placed my finger on the end of the tube. The color is green'ish. So it is coolant. I am keeping an eye on it and it seems that no other drops have hit the pavement or on the floor in the shed. Unfortunately it is no longer covered by Maw Kaw Mac...what is the cheat? :) __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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10-18-2010, 07:42 AM	#6
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	A spot of something? Hupefully it was just an isolated drip and you won't see it anymore. I know about the cheat that Mac mentions. It is buried here on this forum somewhere way back a couple of years. Hopefully someone has saved it for easier reference, our search feature here isn't the best, unless you really know how to get around it. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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10-18-2010, 03:17 PM	#7
spirello Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: VANCOUVER WA Posts: 576	A spot of something? Wipe the hose off really good and wait awhile mine leaked a little at about 20k i cleaned the hose off good and never got another leak. Its been 15k since it first happened and dry as a bone.
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10-18-2010, 04:07 PM	#8
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	A spot of something? There is a cheat to install the engine side oil seal backwards thru the shaft space, but that won't work if the shaft is also defective. All you can do is install the seal, and Clayton that isn't a job you can do. It is a techs trick. A tech can check the shaft and it is is the shaft too, then a new seal might buy time only and other wise the engine would need to be torn down as mentioned on a thread else where here and shown on another site. I don't recall the title, but it is a recent thread. I know if it were me I would try another cheat and see if i could sleeve a defective water pump drive shaft before I split the case. Then install that seal backwards, but I don't know if that is possible, it just might be. I sure don't have that kinda dough to pay to Ma Kawii. On edit: Just tripped over the other thread and the link to the pics on this. http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2703 __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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10-18-2010, 10:37 PM	#9
rickyboy Top Contributor Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 108 Mile Ranch B.C. Canada Posts: 5,472	A spot of something? WOW "spirello" you need to get yourself a trailer......that's a load there man. __________________ Nomad'a What ! "rickyboy" Richard Cole Canada West Region 108 Mile Ranch, British Columbia Canada Vulcan Bagger Assoc. #00722 Black 2006 Nomad https://cdn2.iconfinder.com/data/ico...Book_32x32.png
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10-19-2010, 05:28 PM	#10
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	A spot of something? I took a good look today at the hose....it is now dry.... Hopefully it was a fluke....I want my baby to run forever :) __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332
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10-19-2010, 06:20 PM	#11
redjay Top Contributor Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,017	A spot of something? My 05 had a few drips of coolant from the weep tube at the start of the season but nothing since.
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