Looks like you can't protect your home anymore

**HwyRider** · 04-29-2014, 07:55 PM

Just read this article and have to wonder.

Myself, I know for sure that if someone broke in to my house and my wife and/or I was in fear they would not leave the property. They would be put in to the meat grinder and fed to the dogs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...,1309705.story

fish · 04-29-2014, 08:23 PM

he needs a new lawyer

**Idaho** · 04-29-2014, 08:37 PM

You are right Fish.

He did what I would have done.

Sin City Stan · 04-29-2014, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fish

he needs a new lawyer

He had a lawyer. He needs a good lawyer. However, if in fact he delivered execution style final shots after they were already down, well IMO that's indefensible.

**ringadingh** · 04-29-2014, 09:07 PM

Obviously that was not a good home to break into.

ponch · 04-29-2014, 09:28 PM

That guy is batshit crazy. He needs to go away.

**GIBBY** · 04-29-2014, 09:29 PM

This happened about an hour from my house and I have been following this story closely. He did indeed shoot both teens and after they were wounded and rendered helpless delivered kill shots under the chin. In MN you are allowed to defend your property with deadly force, but apparently the jury thought he went too far. If he had killed them with the first shot he would not have been charged. If I was on the jury he would have walked.

cactusjack · 04-29-2014, 09:36 PM

This was more a case of entrapment than self defense.

Bud2rat · 04-29-2014, 09:58 PM

I agree to the fact that he had the right to defend himself, but I think he did an overkill with the finishing shots.

**GIBBY** · 04-29-2014, 10:14 PM

The story in the Chicago paper tells very little of the entire story. I believe Smith is guilty of manslaughter but certainly not 1st degree murder.

cactusjack · 04-29-2014, 10:21 PM

I am a firm believer in the right to defend oneself, but this guy killed the burglars in cold blood. He deserves to sit in prison.

**Top Cat** · 04-29-2014, 11:11 PM

"I gave her a good, clean finishing shot."

The intruders were down and he still feared for his life?
He was so scared he got close enough to put a bullet in their head from under their chin?
I agree with Ponch, this guy is batshit crazy and if that is not murder I don't know what is.
I am all for the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense but if I were on the jury he would be convicted of first-degree murder.

**wanderer5210** · 04-29-2014, 11:16 PM

Speaking from experience a good many of us oldsters are crazier than bat squat. And sometimes things can make you think, "Oh who gives a crap? 3 squares and a cot. I ain't got that long anyway."

kawboysix · 04-30-2014, 12:04 AM

Way to many variables to know why he reacted like he did. He had been victimized before and firearms were stolen? Not an excuse, but did he really KNOW they weren't armed? Maybe he was frustrated with the situation and just snapped. Still not an excuse but maybe could have plead temporary insanity. The prosecutor went for the kill and the defense jumped out of a crackerjack box with this one imo.

Nick Brady's mother stated that her son died a horrible death and that she often wonders what her son would have been?

He would have been a burglar and a thief. Possibly a killer had he continued to get away with his crimes. Most likely didn't get dead committing his FIRST burglary.

Cactusjack. In what way would you consider this situation a case of entrapment by the gun wielding homeowner? Or were you quoting the article. I'm not calling you out , just would like to hear a little more explanation behind your statement.

cactusjack · 04-30-2014, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kawboysix

Way to many variables to know why he reacted like he did. He had been victimized before and firearms were stolen? Not an excuse, but did he really KNOW they weren't armed? Maybe he was frustrated with the situation and just snapped. Still not an excuse but maybe could have plead temporary insanity. The prosecutor went for the kill and the defense jumped out of a crackerjack box with this one imo.

Nick Brady's mother stated that her son died a horrible death and that she often wonders what her son would have been?

He would have been a burglar and a thief. Possibly a killer had he continued to get away with his crimes. Most likely didn't get dead committing his FIRST burglary.

Cactusjack. In what way would you consider this situation a case of entrapment by the gun wielding homeowner? Or were you quoting the article. I'm not calling you out , just would like to hear a little more explanation behind your statement.

Just from what I heard on the news the other day, the old guy was apparently waiting for them. He did everything but invite them inside. It's too bad he had been victimized before, but he shot two unarmed burglars, wounding them - then he executed them. Like I said, I'm no bleeding heart, but I feel the guy got what he deserved in this case.

04-29-2014, 07:55 PM	#1
HwyRider Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Shore, MA Posts: 4,629	Looks like you can't protect your home anymore Just read this article and have to wonder. Myself, I know for sure that if someone broke in to my house and my wife and/or I was in fear they would not leave the property. They would be put in to the meat grinder and fed to the dogs. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...,1309705.story __________________ VBA # 02424 VROC # 35971 2010 Nomad 1700 Metallic Diablo Black/Metallic Titanium Login or Register to Remove Ads
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04-29-2014, 08:23 PM	#2
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04-29-2014, 08:37 PM	#3
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04-29-2014, 09:07 PM	#5
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04-29-2014, 09:28 PM	#6
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04-29-2014, 09:29 PM	#7
GIBBY Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Osceola,WI Posts: 3,083	This happened about an hour from my house and I have been following this story closely. He did indeed shoot both teens and after they were wounded and rendered helpless delivered kill shots under the chin. In MN you are allowed to defend your property with deadly force, but apparently the jury thought he went too far. If he had killed them with the first shot he would not have been charged. If I was on the jury he would have walked. __________________ Mike "GIBBY" Gibson Osceola, WI VBA # 1279 2011 National Rally 2012 NCR Rally 2012 Antlers Rally 2013 National Rally 2013 Antlers Rally 2014 NC/SC Rally 2014 Antlers Rally 2015 VRA/VBA Rally 2016 NCR Rally 2016 Antlers Rally 2017 Antlers Rally 2018 NC/SC Rally 2018 Antlers Rally 2019 Antlers Rally 2020 Antlers Rally 2022 Antlers Rally 2023 Antlers Rally 2021 Indian Roadmaster Limited 2022 Indian Roadmaster
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04-29-2014, 09:36 PM	#8
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	This was more a case of entrapment than self defense. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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04-29-2014, 09:58 PM	#9
Bud2rat Sr. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: St. Pauls, NC Posts: 2,089	I agree to the fact that he had the right to defend himself, but I think he did an overkill with the finishing shots. __________________ Robert Torrey VBA# 02077 Vroc# 27672 1996 800A Customized (SOLD) 2001 1500 Nomad (The Mistress) 2013 Voyager 2014 SE Rally - Elkins, WV 2016 SE Rally - Helen, Ga
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04-29-2014, 10:14 PM	#10
GIBBY Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Osceola,WI Posts: 3,083	The story in the Chicago paper tells very little of the entire story. I believe Smith is guilty of manslaughter but certainly not 1st degree murder. __________________ Mike "GIBBY" Gibson Osceola, WI VBA # 1279 2011 National Rally 2012 NCR Rally 2012 Antlers Rally 2013 National Rally 2013 Antlers Rally 2014 NC/SC Rally 2014 Antlers Rally 2015 VRA/VBA Rally 2016 NCR Rally 2016 Antlers Rally 2017 Antlers Rally 2018 NC/SC Rally 2018 Antlers Rally 2019 Antlers Rally 2020 Antlers Rally 2022 Antlers Rally 2023 Antlers Rally 2021 Indian Roadmaster Limited 2022 Indian Roadmaster
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04-29-2014, 10:21 PM	#11
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	I am a firm believer in the right to defend oneself, but this guy killed the burglars in cold blood. He deserves to sit in prison. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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04-29-2014, 11:11 PM	#12
Top Cat Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of New York State Posts: 15,154	"I gave her a good, clean finishing shot." The intruders were down and he still feared for his life? He was so scared he got close enough to put a bullet in their head from under their chin? I agree with Ponch, this guy is batshit crazy and if that is not murder I don't know what is. I am all for the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense but if I were on the jury he would be convicted of first-degree murder. __________________ Tim "TC" Conley VBA #9 2011 Victory Kingpin mine 2013 Victory Boardwalk -hers [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [SIZE=4]
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wanderer5210 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Luverne, AL Posts: 135	Speaking from experience a good many of us oldsters are crazier than bat squat. And sometimes things can make you think, "Oh who gives a crap? 3 squares and a cot. I ain't got that long anyway." __________________ They call me the Wanderer. 04 Nomad - VBA 02602
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04-30-2014, 12:04 AM	#14
kawboysix Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 562	Way to many variables to know why he reacted like he did. He had been victimized before and firearms were stolen? Not an excuse, but did he really KNOW they weren't armed? Maybe he was frustrated with the situation and just snapped. Still not an excuse but maybe could have plead temporary insanity. The prosecutor went for the kill and the defense jumped out of a crackerjack box with this one imo. Nick Brady's mother stated that her son died a horrible death and that she often wonders what her son would have been? He would have been a burglar and a thief. Possibly a killer had he continued to get away with his crimes. Most likely didn't get dead committing his FIRST burglary. Cactusjack. In what way would you consider this situation a case of entrapment by the gun wielding homeowner? Or were you quoting the article. I'm not calling you out , just would like to hear a little more explanation behind your statement. __________________ 2006 Nomad 1600 v&h duals, fi2000 grasshopper (kawboysix)
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