WI Teachers can't teach

[ponch]

Originally Posted by billmac

We have the U.S. Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Some states have their rights or laws too. Texas is a "right" to work state. Also public workers aren't allowed to strike. They can collective bargain. Some say if you can't strike, why bargain. Maybe it is just to have a voice at the table. Anyway it is hard to know enough of the conditions in each state to engage in a real discussion. I view the opinions shared here as just expressing a philosophy based upon our own experiences and feelings. Maybe some are most versed than I think.

@ my friend Ranger Bill- I appreciate your position. This is a touchy issue and too much of anything is usually bad. I don't like the idea of workers being forced to join unions just as I don't like employers saying they will bust or terminate workers who try to unionize.

I do believe all of us are going to have to give some to get our Country back on track. But, don't expect me to ask the poor or middle class people to give anything. That is until we quit nation building, stop pork projects and get serious about getting our own house in order. To only go after public workers to balance the budget, like Wisconsin, sounds like Union busting politics, pure and simple.

Hey Bill, here is a website that shows what states are right to work etc:

http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

[billmac]

Thanks Ponch, interesting info.

[usranger74]

Bill if you are saying we need to downsize most (not all) govt functions and efforts at the state and fed levels, I am with ya all the way.

I also agree the budget problems facing USA where not caused by public workers (but rather elected officials). Even where those benefits are in excess of what I would call "reasonable", those folks only got what elected officials gave them and the public allowed.

I am done

[billmac]

Yep, and me done too. ;)

[NRiderUSA]

The is hope ... their leader has finally arrived....

Moore to Protesters: 'Madison Is Only the Beginning'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...lly-wisconsin/

[glwilson]

Ha! Michael Moore... now there is an idiot for you.

Talk about someone with an agenda... ::)

[ponch]

Originally Posted by glwilson

Ha! Michael Moore... now there is an idiot for you.

Talk about someone with an agenda... ::)

Now Greg, he means well...

[NRiderUSA]

Why is that the "Millionaires" on the left are always point to the "Millionaires" on the right not giving up their money freely enough?
It appears that they arent asw willing to part with their money as they expect others to do... or so it appears IMHO.

[Dave]

What gets me is all the people on the left that want higher taxes, why don't they voluntarily give more of their own money in taxes?

[NRiderUSA]

Originally Posted by Dave

What gets me is all the people on the left that want higher taxes, why don't they voluntarily give more of their own money in taxes?

They had Claire McCaskill on a radio show one time not to long ago and everytime the DJ would ask her why if she feels so strongly about the subject, since her and her husband are multi millionaires dont they just voluntarily give extra since there is a place on the tax forms to do it..... her answer ever time he asked was always the same "Thats not what this is about" and would change the subject.

I have heard that question posed to several "millionaire" left wingers especially since they took control of the entire Government in 08 and they all do the same duck and dodge then change the subject back to how the right blah blah blah.

[elvis]

Hot off the press:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/ed...R_HP_LO_MST_FB

[NRiderUSA]

When about 40% of the schools are failing to meet annual proficiency levels..... me thinks maybe pay aint the issue unless they are talking dumping the riders and getting teachers to replace them.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by NriderUSA

When about 40% of the schools are failing to meet annual proficiency levels..... me thinks maybe pay aint the issue unless they are talking dumping the riders and getting teachers to replace them.

Competition is the problem. If schools had to compete for the tuition, you'd see things turn around. Another issue is local control. There is too much stupidity wrapped up in taking money from uncle sam.

[NRiderUSA]

There is also the added.... to many F's and not enough A's.... so lets create a curve where F=C, D=B, C=A.... AND the ones who studied and got A's and B's.... well now they have company and taught, Why bother studying??..... the ones that failed now pass... but still cant read..... But it sure looks good on statistics showing an improvement in the teaching.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by NriderUSA

There is also the added.... to many F's and not enough A's.... so lets create a curve where F=C, D=B, C=A.... AND the ones who studied and got A's and B's.... well now they have company and taught, Why bother studying??..... the ones that failed now pass... but still cant read..... But it sure looks good on statistics showing an improvement in the teaching.

Where that tends to fall down is with standardized test like the ACT/SAT and graduation rates from colleges. Although you could say they curve up there too, but I still think the it's going to come out somewhere. A friend of mine who was a college professor says it started to go downhill in the late 80's to about 90. After that, it was all downhill. Education today is a 10 miles wide and an inch deep.