ECU Flash from Ivan's Performance available

[Peg]

Delivered!! Only problem is it's Saturday morning here, and the bike's immobile in a bike shock shop after having Race Tech springs & emulators installed in the forks while the ECU was away. The agonizing wait continues, roll on Monday!

[Lumberjack]

The Cobra works different than the PCV and runs off the crank sensor and is analyzing constantly according to speed of motor. If the PCV can still be used to further tweak the fuel as Ivan said would leaving the Cobra installed be hurt the bike with the ECU flash? Ican't see how he can program a one size fits all on the ECU as it is a software fix and the Cobra (or any fuel processor) is adding another layer of hardware and software to the equation.

I will be asking Ivan specifically about the Cobra tuner and his flash working together? You are the only person I have heard talking about the Cobra and I only know one other running one. I will say Ivan's flash claims seem to resolve many things I don't like about the bike such as throttle, engine temp etc and the extra HP is just a bonus to me - perhaps I am getting old...



QUOTE=hlknvlcn60;654572]Shortfuse223....I have a powerpro auto tuner sitting in my cabinet in the shop on a shelf. I have not run any kind of tuner since Ivan re-flashed my ecu and the bike runs great. I would only hook it back up if another member ran their bike with re-flashed ecu and the powerpro and reporting that it worked well. In the meantime, no need for it.[/QUOTE]

[ponch]

Straight roads huh? Down here you'd struggle to find somewhere where you had enough room between corners to even reach that speed. :tup:

Arizona is a big state. We have curves and straight roads, but not as straight as when I lived in Iowa. More likely I have a bike that can take curves at higher speeds.

[Peg]

More likely I have a bike that can take curves at higher speeds.

I guess so... 85 with the cruise set? ...Awesome! :yep:

[ponch]

I guess so... 85 with the cruise set? ...Awesome! :yep:

Sometimes more.

[Ken Vega]

the cobra works different than the pcv and runs off the crank sensor and is analyzing constantly according to speed of motor. If the pcv can still be used to further tweak the fuel as ivan said would leaving the cobra installed be hurt the bike with the ecu flash? Ican't see how he can program a one size fits all on the ecu as it is a software fix and the cobra (or any fuel processor) is adding another layer of hardware and software to the equation.

I will be asking ivan specifically about the cobra tuner and his flash working together? You are the only person i have heard talking about the cobra and i only know one other running one. I will say ivan's flash claims seem to resolve many things i don't like about the bike such as throttle, engine temp etc and the extra hp is just a bonus to me - perhaps i am getting old...

I think you answered your own question lumberjack. The cobra supposedly adds fuel based on speed and load, which means it can be adding fuel unecessarily at different throttle positions and make you run rich. Without an o2 sensor the cobra has no idea the ecu corrections made by ivan fixed those fueling problems. With the pcv it targets specific rpms and throttle positions in all gears. Its not just guessimg like the cobra. Ivan only had me adjust from 60%-100% throttle at rpms of 4000 to redline. And the adjustment was to add 2% additional fuel, which is an almost unnoticiable amount. The rest of the tune is all zero, the ecu does the rest. Honestly at some point i may just go ahead and remove the pcv if the bike continues to ru. The way it did yesterday. :tup:

Quote=hlknvlcn60;654572]shortfuse223....i have a powerpro auto tuner sitting in my cabinet in the shop on a shelf. I have not run any kind of tuner since ivan re-flashed my ecu and the bike runs great. I would only hook it back up if another member ran their bike with re-flashed ecu and the powerpro and reporting that it worked well. In the meantime, no need for it.[/quote]

[MET-RICK]

Hi folks, shipped my ECU and got it back within a week. The weather has been cool and wet >:(so I only got to try it out for a couple of hours. I came away thinking that this is all it was advertised to be and more. This was money (Canadian Peso, ouch!) well spent. Ivan's flash has my Vaq. runnin smooth as butter and just as slick. No more popping or farting (that's my job :D).The throttle response now feels much more refined/accurate and consistent under all loads and conditions. Low speed riding and or maneuvering no longer involves any sudden sometimes unexpected annoying bucking or jumping. I also noticed when letting off the throttle in corners, which doesn't happen often but sometimes required during oops/oh shit! moments, there is no more shuttering/wobbling resulting from the previously harsh engine braking effect. which adds an element of control and safety. Last but not least increased power/torque, wow! I just about snapped my friggin head off, from a stop in first into second then more quickly then before the flash I'm lookin to step into third with a giant grin on thinking shit ...I mean geesh that was quick! I'm lovin this, it's all A+'s for Ivan...he's the valla~'quick'~torian class of 2016 :tup:. Maybe I should also mention I'm running 89 oct. with no pinging under load, the temp. was about 6* C./43*F., Chucksters Bak w/dog bowls, V&H slip-on's and Ray's throttle mod which works great with Ivan's flash. Whatcha waitin for, go get flashed...just not at the park!:lmao:. Cheers.

[MET-RICK]

Hey I just noticed...'I' don't stutter when I talk anymore either! Smooth Ivan... real smooth! Magic ? :hmm:.

[Jofourn]

Thanks for the ECU review. I just bought a 2015 and have experienced the same farting and popping on my bike. (I'm pretty sure it isn't me as well... :D) After all the reviews I've read I'm seriously thinking of pulling my ECU and sending it in. Thanks for the great comments. So did you send yours to Ivan via mail or a courier?

Cheers. John

[MET-RICK]

Thanks for the ECU review. I just bought a 2015 and have experienced the same farting and popping on my bike. (I'm pretty sure it isn't me as well... :D) After all the reviews I've read I'm seriously thinking of pulling my ECU and sending it in. Thanks for the great comments. So did you send yours to Ivan via mail or a courier?

Cheers. John

***Hi John, I sent it thru Canada Post (Xpresspost-USA), as/ Ivan's request. Cheers

[MidIAVoyager]

Ok I've read thru this thread 3 times now and am almost ready but someone help push me off the fence. 2013 Voyager all stock except Rays throttle mod and mc hitch trailer hitch issues I want to address are
1) cooler running temps will it be noticeable (70 degrees today riding 45-55 mph in forth gear engine temp gauge at 1:00 just under fan ON but fan coming on if slowed below 30)
2) riding 2 up pulling trailer 65-75 mph in warm temps power seems to become more restricted the hotter the coolant temp gets. will this reflash address this, as I see it if it reduces running temps this may also help while pulling trailer
3) what I will call throttle lag the hesitation created between the wrist and the response of the engine
Have actually pulled my ecu out and just need someone to give me a push. Planning on calling Ivan tomorrow if can get time at work.

[JD Hog]

https://websquirrellolz.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/sitting-on-the-fence.jpg

:wave: Pushing :wave:

Go to this link and read about it

http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/vn1700.htm

It should clear things up for you.

My 2015 is completely stock except for Ray's Throttle Mod and I will be doing this soon.

[MidIAVoyager]

Ok thairs a nudge. Thanks love the pic, that's me. Have read every page at this point I may know Ivan's web pages better than him. Have also followed this on Kawasaki Vulcan forum. Wife says I'm notorious for this. Has been many a time by the time I finally made up my mind to buy something a new and improved version has come out and I have to start all over again. I'm a stonch ALL STOCK person and my son is splitting a side giving me crap about this especially after all the crap I give him about putting stuff on his meanstreak and his truck to make it "better"
Still waiting for a good hard push come on convince me I need to do this

[2Paps]

Ok thairs a nudge. Thanks love the pic, that's me. Have read every page at this point I may know Ivan's web pages better than him. Have also followed this on Kawasaki Vulcan forum. . . . . . . . .
Still waiting for a good hard push come on convince me I need to do this


OK, Ivan reset the triggers that turn the fan on and off. That helps with the cooling but more importantly the motor isn't working as hard and therefore isn't making as much heat. All the throttle and performance issues have been successfully addressed.

Now here's your SHOVE, my VV has recently been converted to a trike. Not only is it pulling another 300# but it has a much larger wind profile. I don't pull a trailer. The increased rider (ME) satisfaction in the overall performance of the trike is off the scale! The trike literally performs markedly better than when she was a 2 wheeler! There, I hope that was a hard enough push to loosen your death grip on that fence but not so much that you skinned your nose from the fall.

[Peg]

My flashed ECU is finally back in the bike, and performing as flawlessly as everyone else's flashed ECU is.

I can't stop to chat... I'm off out for another ride! :tup::tup:

[UNCLE WILLIE]

Ok I've read thru this thread 3 times now and am almost ready but someone help push me off the fence. 2013 Voyager all stock except Rays throttle mod and mc hitch trailer hitch issues I want to address are
1) cooler running temps will it be noticeable (70 degrees today riding 45-55 mph in forth gear engine temp gauge at 1:00 just under fan ON but fan coming on if slowed below 30)
2) riding 2 up pulling trailer 65-75 mph in warm temps power seems to become more restricted the hotter the coolant temp gets. will this reflash address this, as I see it if it reduces running temps this may also help while pulling trailer
3) what I will call throttle lag the hesitation created between the wrist and the response of the engine
Have actually pulled my ecu out and just need someone to give me a push. Planning on calling Ivan tomorrow if can get time at work.

I - we understand ur doubts on this subject but Ivan has a reputation for doing this for other bikes that u can read about
I was one of the first to get this done and with money tight and other issues to deal with I hesititated a couple of days trying to decide if it was the thing to do for me -- yes it will cure your bikes issues so if u have the money do it then write back and tell us u wished u did it sooner

[tonik]

Have actually pulled my ecu out and just need someone to give me a push.

I missed this thread originally, I heard about Ivan from some sport bike peeps I know. Went to his page and was thrilled to see he had it. Then searched here and found the thread a few weeks ago.

He is famous on the sport bike side and his reputation is flawless. The issues he is fixing on the Voyager are the same issues he has been fixing on other bikes, and everyone raves. Can't find a single negative person on his work, they all rave.

Mine is going out the second I get the bike back from the dealer for some warranty work.

[MidIAVoyager]

Ok Ok I did it its on its way I called Ivan this AM to let him know it was on its way and took it to the UPS Store. If all goes as planned he will have it Wednesday before 10:00 and I should have it back Friday

[Ken Vega]

My flashed ECU is finally back in the bike, and performing as flawlessly as everyone else's flashed ECU is.

I can't stop to chat... I'm off out for another ride! :tup::tup:

Glad the ECU survived its journey all the way back to NZ. I smile ear to ear now ever time I mount my Vaquero. This weekend will be about a good 220 mile ride. I cant wait to let her stretch her legs and see what type of highway MPG I am getting. :cheers:

[2Paps]

Ok Ok I did it its on its way I called Ivan this AM to let him know it was on its way and took it to the UPS Store. If all goes as planned he will have it Wednesday before 10:00 and I should have it back Friday


When you get it back at the end of the week and get her on the road, kick yourself once for the group and tell yourself, "I should have done this weeks ago!" :tup:

[hlknvlcn60]

Ken you will love the better mileage. Mine went up by about 3-4 more miles per gallon even the way I ride, with the throttle open most of the time. We get our first 80 degree day this week in Oregon so now I can get the bike up to operating temperature with expectations of even better mpg and more power.

[tonik]

We get our first 80 degree day this week in Oregon

Keep us posted please sir. Let us know what octane you run and if it pings.

[99xcsp]

My flashed ECU is finally back in the bike, and performing as flawlessly as everyone else's flashed ECU is.

I can't stop to chat... I'm off out for another ride! :tup::tup:I just sent my ecu today, can't wait! Is there any special instructions when you plug it back into the bike? just curious, Thanx

[Ivan_ipp]

The instructions will be in the box with the ecu.

Thanks very much everyone,


Ivan

[hlknvlcn60]

tonik I run 92 octane clear fuel most of the time. Since the ecu flash, I haven't run any fuel below 91 octane, but the bike runs great on the clear 92 and there is an abundance of it out here. The only thing is the cost. I may experiment a little and try some E-10 87 on a warm day just to see how it runs with that in it. I will let people know.

[tonik]

tonik I run 92 octane clear fuel most of the time. Since the ecu flash, I haven't run any fuel below 91 octane, but the bike runs great on the clear 92 and there is an abundance of it out here. The only thing is the cost. I may experiment a little and try some E-10 87 on a warm day just to see how it runs with that in it. I will let people know.

Awesome, thanks. Whats the highest outdoor temp you have beein in? I know you are in the flat straight but really warm state. Don't they have a road down that that has 11 curves in 318 miles? :)

[skullbagger]

Awesome, thanks. Whats the highest outdoor temp you have beein in? I know you are in the flat straight but really warm state. Don't they have a road down that that has 11 curves in 318 miles? :)

a reverse deals gap huh!

[hlknvlcn60]

tonik you are welcome....Thursday this week will be our first 80 degree day so going out for a run. That puts us at 20 above the norm for this time of year whoohoo! Just a few clicks west of here in the Cascade mountains, we have our own "tail of the dragon" highway 242 that switches back through the lava lands for about 40 miles with countless traverses, switch backs, curves that you have to go to first gear on and more through dense fir forest and lakes....very popular but won't be open until about mid-June this year due to heavy snow pack. It challenges less experienced riders to up their skill levels. Out here in the desert we have mountains that have long straights with some really nice wide sweepers you can get some serious speed on patrol and traffic free with spectacular views. This is, THE OREGON COUNTRY.

[JD Hog]

tonik you are welcome....Thursday this week will be our first 80 degree day so going out for a run. That puts us at 20 above the norm for this time of year whoohoo! Just a few clicks west of here in the Cascade mountains, we have our own "tail of the dragon" highway 242 that switches back through the lava lands for about 40 miles with countless traverses, switch backs, curves that you have to go to first gear on and more through dense fir forest and lakes....very popular but won't be open until about mid-June this year due to heavy snow pack. It challenges less experienced riders to up their skill levels. Out here in the desert we have mountains that have long straights with some really nice wide sweepers you can get some serious speed on patrol and traffic free with spectacular views. This is, THE OREGON COUNTRY.

That's a great ride! My buddy and I took that route when going from Eugene to Sandy two summers ago. It made our trip longer but that's what it's all about. :tup:

[terryd]

You guys are making me jealous living here in IA, land of the squared off tire. Used to live in Virginia at the base of the Blueridge Mountains. Man do I miss those roads.

[Snake Ranch]

OMG... OMG...OGM. I just got Ivanized. It will be here Friday. Can't wait, can't wait. With all the good reviews I think this is the answer to what we all have been looking for.

I had just bought a PCV and auto tune. Didn't even get it installed:cry::cry:.

I always think "Buy the best and cry only once.....well meby twice:tup:.

[MET-RICK]

OMG... OMG...OGM. I just got Ivanized. It will be here Friday. Can't wait, can't wait. With all the good reviews I think this is the answer to what we all have been looking for.

I had just bought a PCV and auto tune. Didn't even get it installed:cry::cry:.

I always think "Buy the best and cry only once.....well meby twice:tup:.

Any chance of returning the PCV, wouldn't cost anything to try. I'm thinking you might be in for a few anxious days ahead. I don't know how anyone could resist. Cheers

[OhioVoyager]

Mine is on it's way home!! Should be here Thursday! Crappy weather and some "projects" on the bike will prevent me from testing immediately. This is exactly why I shipped it this week!!

[smokier]

tonik I run 92 octane clear fuel most of the time. Since the ecu flash, I haven't run any fuel below 91 octane, but the bike runs great on the clear 92 and there is an abundance of it out here. The only thing is the cost. I may experiment a little and try some E-10 87 on a warm day just to see how it runs with that in it. I will let people know.

What do you mean by "clear 92"?

I am unCLEAR? :)
(No really, I dont get it...)

Ride safe,
Smokier

[smokier]

OMG... OMG...OGM.
I had just bought a PCV and auto tune. Didn't even get it installed:cry::cry:.

What MET-RICK said - think you can return it? Even for a nominal RESTOCKING FEE it would be worth.

There are suddenly a plethora of EJK/PCV/Cobra Fuel controllers available!
:tup:
Go Ivan:cheers:

[Ken Vega]

tonik you are welcome....Thursday this week will be our first 80 degree day so going out for a run. That puts us at 20 above the norm for this time of year whoohoo! Just a few clicks west of here in the Cascade mountains, we have our own "tail of the dragon" highway 242 that switches back through the lava lands for about 40 miles with countless traverses, switch backs, curves that you have to go to first gear on and more through dense fir forest and lakes....very popular but won't be open until about mid-June this year due to heavy snow pack. It challenges less experienced riders to up their skill levels. Out here in the desert we have mountains that have long straights with some really nice wide sweepers you can get some serious speed on patrol and traffic free with spectacular views. This is, THE OREGON COUNTRY.

Here in Florida we have our roads too. The Florida turnpike has a mind boggling 6 curves in 200 miles and they are all off ramps.. :lol:

[Ken Vega]

What do you mean by "clear 92"?

I am unCLEAR? :)
(No really, I dont get it...)

Ride safe,
Smokier

I am pretty sure he means Ethanol free. The market it as recreational fuel for boats and ATVs. They also mark up the price as if it were gold.

[hlknvlcn60]

Here are some of the roads we get up here in Oregon....long open straights with some nice windy twisty stuff in places here and there going up over mountain passes and with supreme mountain views. I meant by "clear gas" like Ken said, no ethanol. We have and abundance of boats, lakes, farm equipment, etc. out here so we are lucky to have real good gas too...but at a price. Right now clear 92 fuel is around 2.79 per gallon which is still pretty cheap. Regular E-10 87 is around 2.10 or so.

[mrt]

I am curious to any that have had Ivan's flash done if it will void the Kawasaki warranty?

[OhioVoyager]

Ivan has stated it would void the warranty. I believe that is mentioned in this thread. However, the owner of Luverne Kawasaki even stated dealers don't have a method to read the ECU. And, in fact, unless the bike went in for an ECU related issue Ivan could flash it back for you. They would have to pull the ECU out to discover he even touched it.

So while it would void the warranty, would they ever know?

I am curious to any that have had Ivan's flash done if it will void the Kawasaki warranty?

[MidIAVoyager]

Warranty was a concern of mine but i figure the Ecu isn't what's going to fail if anything it will be something mechanical and if reducing operating temps and correcting fuel delivery makes thing run smoother failure rates should drop as heat is friction and friction is wear. Other thinking is not any different than adding an aftermarket fuel processes or changing the intake or exhaust or any number of mods that can be done hell I even heard that adding my trailer hitch would void the warranty but the dealer knew it was going to have the same trailer I used with the 900lt when thay sold me an extended warranty
As of this AM my ECU is at Ivan's hope to have it back Friday and is as good as everyone says

[hlknvlcn60]

If something mechanical fails on the motor or any other warranty covered component other than the ecu, it will be covered by said warranty. The people in the shop would never pull the ecu, hook it up to a machine like Ivan's, and check to see if it is different than a stock set up. So let's say, a cam chain breaks...no prob, take it in and the warranty will take care of it. Like mentioned, the ecu makes everything in the motor function that much better lessening chances of a warranty-related issue to come up. Just take care of your ride, and go out and put some miles on it. Rac'n Ray's 2011 Vaquero has well over 95,000 miles on it. We should ask him if he ever had any thing that need warranty back up for a repair or part replacement.

[MidIAVoyager]

Got the Ivanized ECU back today and put back in following Ivan's very short instruction sheet. Fired up the bike and as reported by others the cold idle came up to about 1600 rpm and setteled down to a steady idle of about 950. sound is deeper and smoother. Took a short ride and defiantly improved throttle response and increased power. now just have to wait till these 40 mph winds die down and temps warm up so I can take it for a longer ride

[JD Hog]

I just got back from the post office and my ECU will arrive at Ivan's on Monday for him to flash. :D

Can't wait for the new and improved Voyager. :tup:

[99xcsp]

Just received mine back from Ivan. All I can say is WOW..what a difference.. Thank You Ivan!!

[smokier]

I am pretty sure he means Ethanol free. The market it as recreational fuel for boats and ATVs. They also mark up the price as if it were gold.

Thanks Ken for the decoding!

Ride safe,
Smokier

[smokier]

Just received mine back from Ivan. All I can say is WOW..what a difference.. Thank You Ivan!!

:cheers:

[Lumberjack]

Uhmmm, it's been over 24 hours and nobody has posted mailing, waiting, or receiving their ECU back from Ivan - is all okay???:hmm:

[captj3]

Uhmmm, it's been over 24 hours and nobody has posted mailing, waiting, or receiving their ECU back from Ivan - is all okay???:hmm:
All is alright.Everybody who has had this done is out riding their bikes.:D Besides there is always the first wave of people when a new product comes out. It will start up again. It's still the best thing you can do for the rideabilty of the bike. there is no controller out there that can do what the reflash has done.

[HeyJoe]

Awesome, thanks. Whats the highest outdoor temp you have beein in? I know you are in the flat straight but really warm state. Don't they have a road down that that has 11 curves in 318 miles? :)

Or 318 curves in 11 miles?

[gv550]

To those who have been Ivanized, how are you coping with the 2000 rpm cold idle? When I installed the ECU I was in Florida, and in 60-80F temps I found it manageable as the idle would soon drop to normal within 5 minutes of riding. I live in an RV resort and letting my bike warm up in the driveway at 2000 rpm would be very inconsiderate to my neighbors, so I always ride away immediately after starting the engine.
I'm now back in Ontario, and live in a townhouse with my neighbors even closer so I continue to ride away as soon as the engine starts. Yesterday it was below freezing and blowing snow but I went for a ride anyway, it took upwards of 15 minutes for the idle to settle down. While sitting at a red light the engine would be revving 2000, then down to 1200, then back to 2000 without me touching the hand grip. I was embarrassed, pedestrians I'm sure we're thinking 'why is this idiot revving the shit out of that bike' .
I find the high idle quite annoying, wish it could have been left at the stock 1250 setting. I have replaced my intake air temp sender and my coolant temp sensor so I don't think they are the cause, this started as soon as I installed the ECU. Anyone else have issues with this?

[Snake Ranch]

To those who have been Ivanized, how are you coping with the 2000 rpm cold idle? When I installed the ECU I was in Florida, and in 60-80F temps I found it manageable as the idle would soon drop to normal within 5 minutes of riding. I live in an RV resort and letting my bike warm up in the driveway at 2000 rpm would be very inconsiderate to my neighbors, so I always ride away immediately after starting the engine.
I'm now back in Ontario, and live in a townhouse with my neighbors even closer so I continue to ride away as soon as the engine starts. Yesterday it was below freezing and blowing snow but I went for a ride anyway, it took upwards of 15 minutes for the idle to settle down. While sitting at a red light the engine would be revving 2000, then down to 1200, then back to 2000 without me touching the hand grip. I was embarrassed, pedestrians I'm sure we're thinking 'why is this idiot revving the shit out of that bike' .
I find the high idle quite annoying, wish it could have been left at the stock 1250 setting. I have replaced my intake air temp sender and my coolant temp sensor so I don't think they are the cause, this started as soon as I installed the ECU. Anyone else have issues with this?


Yes mine is doing the same thing. I was hoping it would settle down after the ECU adapted to the new flash. May have to call Ivan on this and ask what the logic is behind the surging RPM's. :hmm::tup:

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

To those who have been Ivanized, how are you coping with the 2000 rpm cold idle? When I installed the ECU I was in Florida, and in 60-80F temps I found it manageable as the idle would soon drop to normal within 5 minutes of riding. I live in an RV resort and letting my bike warm up in the driveway at 2000 rpm would be very inconsiderate to my neighbors, so I always ride away immediately after starting the engine.
I'm now back in Ontario, and live in a townhouse with my neighbors even closer so I continue to ride away as soon as the engine starts. Yesterday it was below freezing and blowing snow but I went for a ride anyway, it took upwards of 15 minutes for the idle to settle down. While sitting at a red light the engine would be revving 2000, then down to 1200, then back to 2000 without me touching the hand grip. I was embarrassed, pedestrians I'm sure we're thinking 'why is this idiot revving the shit out of that bike' .
I find the high idle quite annoying, wish it could have been left at the stock 1250 setting. I have replaced my intake air temp sender and my coolant temp sensor so I don't think they are the cause, this started as soon as I installed the ECU. Anyone else have issues with this?


Here's my workaround... First, I have to say mine is NOT 2000 RPM, I'm about 1500 at the most when it kicks up. I'm also at 5000 feet elevation and can't start the bike without cracking the throttle because it's too rich at startup for 5000 ft. I came up with a workaround using my Power Commander V and it's Start Up Fuel function. If you enable it in the software settings and then tell it to reduce fuel by say -5 to -10% and see what you end up with. This is timed event so you can set it for 60 seconds or 120 seconds or whatever you want. You can fine tune the amount of fuel removed until it starts cold as it should have before.

What I think is going on is that Ivan had to add fuel at idle to get rid of the very aggressive engine braking as well as the decel popping and this has resulted in the high idle on startup. I had the same issue last year with I was trying to work around the same issues of the decel popping and aggressive engine braking when I added fuel too close to 0% throttle and low RPM using the PCV. I would assume this is something he might fix in an update later, unless there's no way to do it without sacrificing some other benefit.

If you don't have a PCV, then I don't think there's any work around for you.

[hayes]

Here's my workaround... First, I have to say mine is NOT 2000 RPM, I'm about 1500 at the most when it kicks up. I'm also at 5000 feet elevation and can't start the bike without cracking the throttle because it's too rich at startup and at idle for 5000 ft. I came up with a workaround using my Power Commander V and it's Start UP Fuel function. If you can enable it in the software settings and then tell it to reduce fuel by say 5-10% and see what you end up with. This is timed event so you can set it for 60 seconds or 120 seconds or what ever you want. You can find tune the amount of fuel removed in till it starts cold as it should have before.

What I think is going on is that Ivan had to add fuel at idle to get rid of the very aggressive engine braking as well as the decel popping and this has resulted in the high idle on startup. I had the same issue last year with I was trying to work around the same issues of the decel popping and aggressive engine braking when I added fuel too close to 0% throttle and low RPM. I would assume this is something he might fix in an update later, unless there's no way to do it without sacrificing some other benefit.

If you don't have a PCV, then I don't think there's any work around for you.

Are you still using the PCV with Ivan's?

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Are you still using the PCV with Ivan's?



Yes, my setup pretty much requires it. I'm running Freedom Performance 2 into 1 for my exhaust and an Chuckster intake (soon to be replaced with the Roaring Toyz intake) so I'm too lean on top end with the ECU flash as the only adjustment. I'm running +9% fuel above 3500 RPM in throttle positions 60% and greater. Had it run on a dyno to confirm the A/F ratio and then called Ivan for directions. The bike is funny, it's exactly what Ivan said, if I add fuel below 3500, I loose torque so you have to run the bike pretty lean down low for max torque. His map was designed around a bike with slip-ons and an intake, so having open full exhaust changed things too much to not need a PCV or something similar.

Hey Brandon... Didn't see it was you till I looked back at your post after I replied. Let me know if you need any info about the flash. If you haven't already done it, it's pretty impressive and blows away anything I could do with the PCV alone.

[terryd]

Here's my workaround... First, I have to say mine is NOT 2000 RPM, I'm about 1500 at the most when it kicks up. I'm also at 5000 feet elevation and can't start the bike without cracking the throttle because it's too rich at startup for 5000 ft. I came up with a workaround using my Power Commander V and it's Start Up Fuel function. If you enable it in the software settings and then tell it to reduce fuel by say -5 to -10% and see what you end up with. This is timed event so you can set it for 60 seconds or 120 seconds or whatever you want. You can fine tune the amount of fuel removed until it starts cold as it should have before.

What I think is going on is that Ivan had to add fuel at idle to get rid of the very aggressive engine braking as well as the decel popping and this has resulted in the high idle on startup. I had the same issue last year with I was trying to work around the same issues of the decel popping and aggressive engine braking when I added fuel too close to 0% throttle and low RPM using the PCV. I would assume this is something he might fix in an update later, unless there's no way to do it without sacrificing some other benefit.

If you don't have a PCV, then I don't think there's any work around for you.

Coming off a Ducati and a Zuzuki sport touring bike I don't really consider this bike to have excessive engine breaking. The engine breaking it does have causes me no problems and I've always used engine breaking in my riding style. If that's part of the reason for the high cold idle I'd rather have the "fix" removed before Ivan reflashes my ECU. I don't think it has anything to do with decel popping. Turning off the air injection should take care of that.

[JD Hog]

Hopefully we will hear from Ivan on this cold idle issue soon.

I have mine in the mail to him right now and would like it resolved before he re-flashes mine.

[Ivan_ipp]

There is no issue with the cold startup. ..it's different from stock. That's all.

If some of you want to send it back for an adjustment, I have no problem with that, but know that it won't run cooler anymore, and the better fuel mileage will be lost as well. Throttle response will also be degraded from how it is now as well.
You will have stock ignition timing at all the throttle settings that offer the improved mileage.

There is less throttle plate opening during cold start due to more advanced timing at small throttle openings... with stock throttle openings during cold start, the idle will go 3000 rpm or so. All the cold start processes had to be redone. All 3 testbikes never varied more than 50 rpm during warmup. This was tested in 15 degree temps as well as 70 degree temps.

A 14 Vac, A 15 Vac, and a 13 Classic

I would think that one of the TPS's may have a different setting than the testbikes that I had in my shop if the idle is hunting.




Ivan

[Ivan_ipp]

Yes, my setup pretty much requires it. I'm running Freedom Performance 2 into 1 for my exhaust and an Chuckster intake (soon to be replaced with the Roaring Toyz intake) so I'm too lean on top end with the ECU flash as the only adjustment. I'm running +9% fuel above 3500 RPM in throttle positions 60% and greater. Had it run on a dyno to confirm the A/F ratio and then called Ivan for directions. The bike is funny, it's exactly what Ivan said, if I add fuel below 3500, I loose torque so you have to run the bike pretty lean down low for max torque. His map was designed around a bike with slip-ons and an intake, so having open full exhaust changed things too much to not need a PCV or something similar.

Hey Brandon... Didn't see it was you till I looked back at your post after I replied. Let me know if you need any info about the flash. If you haven't already done it, it's pretty impressive and blows away anything I could do with the PCV alone.




I sincerely doubt it's as lean as your readout says... We already discussed this.... and now I feel like I am compelled to post this:

Big twins make very strong pulses at lower rpms and have what is known as "dilution".... Dilution will happen all the way up the rpm scale on a big twin.... decreasing it's effect as the rpms climb, but still happening all the time.

Dilution is when outside air gets drawn into the exhaust and contaminates the sample being taken.

If the wideband isn't 8-10 inches out of the head, then all readings taken are 100% meaningless. ... let alone in a box on the wall like most tuning shops do.
Again, 100% meaningless test when samples are gotten this way.

Look where H/D locates their O2 sensors.....
(appx. 10 inches out of the head on both cylinders)

This is less important for them to meet emissions, but it's important for tuning afterwards.

Kaw's O2 is located near the collector... upstream from the catalyst, it's useful for the ECU to meet emissions this way, but pretty much useless after you lose the catalyst... Kaw doesn't care how it's tuned afterwards, they only care about what it needs to be sold here.

If you want to find out if it really needs the 9% extra fuel, do some pulls on the dyno and confirm that adding .9 afr more fuel increases the power.... .9 afr is a fair amount of extra fuel (not saying that it doesn't need it, but HP readings will prove it) You need to change the settings (back and forth) in the same dyno session.

Comparing runs from a different day are also meaningless when looking for small changes.


Ivan

[Lumberjack]

Thanks Ivan for responding to some of the comments.

[gv550]

There is no issue with the cold startup. ..it's different from stock. That's all.

If some of you want to send it back for an adjustment, I have no problem with that, but know that it won't run cooler anymore, and the better fuel mileage will be lost as well. Throttle response will also be degraded from how it is now as well.
You will have stock ignition timing at all the throttle settings that offer the improved mileage.

There is less throttle plate opening during cold start due to more advanced timing at small throttle openings... with stock throttle openings during cold start, the idle will go 3000 rpm or so. All the cold start processes had to be redone. All 3 testbikes never varied more than 50 rpm during warmup. This was tested in 15 degree temps as well as 70 degree temps.

A 14 Vac, A 15 Vac, and a 13 Classic

I would think that one of the TPS's may have a different setting than the testbikes that I had in my shop if the idle is hunting.




Ivan

Thanks for the feedback, Ivan.
Please don't take my comments as criticism, I was only asking how others are coping with the new cold idle characteristics. Since I appear to be the only one with 2000 rpm idle maybe I have another problem such as intake air leak, which these bikes are known to have. This week I plan to remove my TB and intake manifold and reseal them. I also have another TB assembly complete with TPS so I may try that too.

[Ken Vega]

My idle only wanders for maye 45 seconds then settles down to a purr. This same thing happened the first ti e I loaded David Sheeks map into my PCV.

[MET-RICK]

To those who have been Ivanized, how are you coping with the 2000 rpm cold idle? When I installed the ECU I was in Florida, and in 60-80F temps I found it manageable as the idle would soon drop to normal within 5 minutes of riding. I live in an RV resort and letting my bike warm up in the driveway at 2000 rpm would be very inconsiderate to my neighbors, so I always ride away immediately after starting the engine.
I'm now back in Ontario, and live in a townhouse with my neighbors even closer so I continue to ride away as soon as the engine starts. Yesterday it was below freezing and blowing snow but I went for a ride anyway, it took upwards of 15 minutes for the idle to settle down. While sitting at a red light the engine would be revving 2000, then down to 1200, then back to 2000 without me touching the hand grip. I was embarrassed, pedestrians I'm sure we're thinking 'why is this idiot revving the shit out of that bike' .
I find the high idle quite annoying, wish it could have been left at the stock 1250 setting. I have replaced my intake air temp sender and my coolant temp sensor so I don't think they are the cause, this started as soon as I installed the ECU. Anyone else have issues with this?

*** Hey Gary with the weather and temp.s we've been having I have only got out a few times since my flash, right now we're getting snow and freezing rain >:(, but... so far when starting up cold, my Vaq. idles up around 1500 ~ 1700 for just about 2 ~ 3 min. maybe, then gradually 3 ~ 4 more min. settles around 800. Unless it's just my imagination, I think it wasn't quite as high or for quite as long during each consecutive cold start up...I was thinking that it maybe some what of an adjustment phase/period. If the weather forecast holds, we'll have better an more consistent weather and a chance to let it all play out later this week. I'm thinking that going into the bikes optional idle settings to reduce the idle from there might be of some value :shrug: . Cheers

[Ivan_ipp]

Warm up time is dependent on coolant temperature. ...there isn't a timer.

Warm up time takes longer due to the engine producing less heat.

Surging more than 50 -100 rpm may very well be a vacuum leak. Easily tested by spraying some carb cleaner around the areas where these known to leak while the engine is running.

Again, it's possible that one or both of the TPS sensors may be slightly outside of spec or near one end of the spec.

If there is an adjustment that the rider has, then this could be s screwing with the targets that are set..... Anything that would cause the throttle to open more than the targets (or vacuum leak ) will cause it to surge.

Ivan

[Peg]

Thanks for the feedback, Ivan.
Please don't take my comments as criticism, I was only asking how others are coping with the new cold idle characteristics. Since I appear to be the only one with 2000 rpm idle maybe I have another problem such as intake air leak, which these bikes are known to have. This week I plan to remove my TB and intake manifold and reseal them. I also have another TB assembly complete with TPS so I may try that too.

After your experience Garry I was expecting the same high idle with mine, since they're similar generation bikes. But the first time I fired it up it went only briefly to about 1700rpm, and settled quickly back to 1000 within about 30 seconds. I've now dropped my idle speed by 50 to the "0" setting (I remember previously raising it that amount to help get rid of some decel pop), and it seems to settle now even faster, down to 950. The high-idle only gets up to around 1500rpm now before it slows, and I'd think that if you'd never spoken of a fast-idle, I might never have noticed it enough to even mention it, myself.

I'm assuming it was the ECU from your Voyager that was flashed... So perhaps trying the TB left over from that bike might make a difference? I'm wondering whether your experience has something to do with the change of motor.

[MET-RICK]

Warm up time is dependent on coolant temperature. ...there isn't a timer.

Warm up time takes longer due to the engine producing less heat.

Surging more than 50 -100 rpm may very well be a vacuum leak. Easily tested by spraying some carb cleaner around the areas where these known to leak while the engine is running.

Again, it's possible that one or both of the TPS sensors may be slightly outside of spec or near one end of the spec.

If there is an adjustment that the rider has, then this could be s screwing with the targets that are set..... Anything that would cause the throttle to open more than the targets (or vacuum leak ) will cause it to surge.

Ivan

Ivan your point about.. "Warm up time takes longer due to the engine producing less heat.", got me thinking that in my case it must be the reason that I seemed to have slightly varying results . There was a pretty big change in the ambient temperature on the 3 days that I did manage to get out for a ride. Or in other words... it was f'n cold out then it got f'n colder:lmao:, requiring different times for the bike to warm up on different days. Also, at the time I wasn't paying particular, or as much attention to the idol as I was to the recently installed and slightly louder but much better sounding V&H's slipons , which I'm real happy with. Cheers, thanks again Ivan

[bunky]

I have been under the impression that cold will affect how a motorcycle runs.
So it would seem, this would be "normal" for a bike to fluctuate in idle, in extreme colder weather.

[terryd]

Ivan your point about.. "Warm up time takes longer due to the engine producing less heat.", got me thinking that in my case it must be the reason that I seemed to have slightly varying results . There was a pretty big change in the ambient temperature on the 3 days that I did manage to get out for a ride. Or in other words... it was f'n cold out then it got f'n colder:lmao:, requiring different times for the bike to warm up on different days. Also, at the time I wasn't paying particular, or as much attention to the idol as I was to the recently installed and slightly louder but much better sounding V&H's slipons , which I'm real happy with. Cheers, thanks again Ivan

Maybe this whole cold idle thing is getting so much attention because Ivan did release this ECU reprogramming during cold weather months and everyone jumped on it. I myself bought a brand new Nomad in March and one of the first things I noticed was how the fast idle stayed up for a couple of minutes because it was cold. But then, so does my car. It will be interesting to see what kind of difference there will be when I put together the BAK, the exhaust and get this done.

[Kap]

Maybe this whole cold idle thing is getting so much attention because Ivan did release this ECU reprogramming during cold weather months and everyone jumped on it......

+1 on what terryd says and add that to the fact that changes made by Ivan won't feel "right" to a rider that is already grown familiar with their bike. Ivan's ECU programming will impact how the vehicle acts at a lot of different driving situations. I'm looking at the modification as if I was presented a brand new bike that sits the same, but acts and re-acts differently than it did before.

I only have 2 very short rides and 20 or so miles on my Ivan ECU (raining here), but the cold idle doesn't seem unusual to me at all. The bike feels wonderful even though there are a few items I know will take some time for me to get used to. That doesn't mean they're wrong, just different and those changes may have been necessary to get the performance Ivan was looking to achieve. With that said, I want to reserve any detail comments until I get a 1,000 or so miles down the road and get used to my new bikes.

[captj3]

+1 on what terryd says and add that to the fact that changes made by Ivan won't feel "right" to a rider that is already grown familiar with their bike. Ivan's ECU programming will impact how the vehicle acts at a lot of different driving situations. I'm looking at the modification as if I was presented a brand new bike that sits the same, but acts and re-acts differently than it did before.

I only have 2 very short rides and 20 or so miles on my Ivan ECU (raining here), but the cold idle doesn't seem unusual to me at all. The bike feels wonderful even though there are a few items I know will take some time for me to get used to. That doesn't mean they're wrong, just different and those changes may have been necessary to get the performance Ivan was looking to achieve. With that said, I want to reserve any detail comments until I get a 1,000 or so miles down the road and get used to my new bikes.

Kap very well said. My idle hunts a little and as the motors warms up it settles. It's the trade off for having all the low end torque and response. I for one will gladly except this as mine is not as bad as a couple of people here. Everybody has to remember that it is not the norm to have a 2000 rpm idle just a few, one with a intake leak. So don't just do the internet jump on the band wagon beating a drum. We are modifying something and nothing will be like stock there is always some kind of a hiccup somewhere. Now you have to ask yourself whether the good exceeds the bad? Then make your decision.

[Ken Vega]

I am with CapJ3 . My bike hunts for less than 30 seconds then settles into a beautiful purr. Once warm I fire her up after a gas stop or whatever and she goes back to 900 rpm where I have it set. Rode 210 miles on Saturday and she performed flawless. 2 up riding into the wind and still averaged about 38-39 mpg. Mostly cruising at about 75 mph on the Turnpike. :D

[JD Hog]

I just heard from Ivan and my UCU will be back on Thursday! That's perfect timing because Friday and beyond will have sunny skies in the low to mid 70's. :cheers:

Thank you Ivan for the quick turnaround, 1 week total from California to New York and back again. :tup:

He even said that if my fears are right about California enacting a smog check program that the ECU flash wouldn't show up on a smog check.

He also said that our bikes would handle pipes and air cleaner changes after the re-flash.

[Ken Vega]

Those California smog laws are so stupid. Most modern cars and motorcycles have tremendously reduced their carbon footprint through fuels, efficiency and all the emissions criteria the manufacturers program into the ECU of the vehicle. Now they are instating checkpoints in California? That is some serious communist chitt... Where are your identity papers please? :crazy:

[Scootergptx]

Sent my ecu to Ivan before I left for vacation. Was already waiting for me when I got home. Did notice a little longer time on the high idle, but it did settle back down to normal. And the temp was cooler than normal when I rode in today. Haven't really got to give it a good run yet. Although yesterday I did give it a quick burst leaving the gas station, and I liked what it did.

[JD Hog]

Those California smog laws are so stupid. Most modern cars and motorcycles have tremendously reduced their carbon footprint through fuels, efficiency and all the emissions criteria the manufacturers program into the ECU of the vehicle. Now they are instating checkpoints in California? That is some serious communist chitt... Where are your identity papers please? :crazy:

They are not checking bikes yet but there are rumors about this starting. It may not happen but I don't want to have to be changing parts to pass an annual inspection if they do start.

[shortfuse223]

I had the same high idle issue when I first got my ECU back. After the bike was warmed up the idle stayed at about 1200 rpm's, even after I had been riding for a while. I bumped the idle down to the lowest setting and now it idles at around 900 after warm up.

[coolwazabi]

So just send the ECU to the NY address with the form filled out and he'll contact me?

[JD Hog]

So just send the ECU to the NY address with the form filled out and he'll contact me?

Yes he will. I heard from him after mine was finished so I could pay for it and pick how fast I wanted it shipped back.

[hlknvlcn60]

My idle settles down to about 850 rpm with my setup with about no more than 5 or 6 minutes maximum warm up time. I also have my temp sensor located up at the front of the bike, away from engine heat.

[Scootergptx]

Got couple days of riding back and forth to work on the Ivan ECU. I have noticed the bike doesn't get as hot as I'm sitting in traffic trying to get out of downtown Dallas. Realistically, this it Texas, and in the summer it's going to be hot no matter what, but it looks like it won't be so hot before I hit the highway.

4th gear, 100mph. Check. (according to the speedometer)

Looks like I am getting better gas mileage, despite the 4th gear thing.

On the highway, passing is quicker now. Also, very smooth, but this is my first belt drive bike. If I'm not careful, I see 85mph and it is just so much better than the shaft drive I had before.

I spent a couple weeks going back and forth whether I should send Ivan the ECU or not. I'd say I wasted a couple of weeks of really enjoying how the bike runs.

[JD Hog]

I just received my ECU back from Ivan a few minutes ago :D

I will be installing it later today or tomorrow morning and going on a test ride. :tup:

Thanks for the quick service Ivan :tup::tup::tup:

[Ken Vega]

Got couple days of riding back and forth to work on the Ivan ECU. I have noticed the bike doesn't get as hot as I'm sitting in traffic trying to get out of downtown Dallas. Realistically, this it Texas, and in the summer it's going to be hot no matter what, but it looks like it won't be so hot before I hit the highway.

4th gear, 100mph. Check. (according to the speedometer)

Looks like I am getting better gas mileage, despite the 4th gear thing.

On the highway, passing is quicker now. Also, very smooth, but this is my first belt drive bike. If I'm not careful, I see 85mph and it is just so much better than the shaft drive I had before.

I spent a couple weeks going back and forth whether I should send Ivan the ECU or not. I'd say I wasted a couple of weeks of really enjoying how the bike runs.

I love my bike so much more now Scootergpx. Best investment I have made thus far is the ECU flash. :D

[gv550]

After my whining about the 2000 rpm cold idle (and learning none of the other Ivanized bikes rev that high) I've been busy tinkering. I wasn't able to find an intake leak but I removed and re-sealed the manifold anyway and replaced the throttle body complete with TPS. Also treated the old girl with new spark plugs and coolant and sprayed all my connectors with contact cleaner, and cleaned the TB and intake with carb cleaner.
I've had 2 real cold starts at freezing temps and a couple other cold starts and my bike now cold idles at 1500 and quickly drops to 1200. After 5 minutes it idles at 850. The bike still runs great and same good mileage as before so I'm happy!
I don't know what actually caused the 2000 rpm idle because I did several things but I suspect the other TPS was a bit out of range.

[JD Hog]

Well I just got back from a 115-mile trip with my new “Ivanized Bike”. I have to say that if you are thinking about doing this don’t hesitate as it is worth every penny. :yep:

Thank you Ivan for joining our forum and doing this for the 1700 Vulcan's. :tup::tup:

My 2015 Voyager is all stock except for Ray’s Throttle Mod. Doing this re-flash is the greatest thing you can do. My bike has much more power all through the RPM range. It is much easier to ride in slow up and down hill curves with hair pin turns. Roll on the throttle from 2000 RPM and you have plenty of power for passing. Fifth and sixth gear are so much more usable at lower RPM's now. The stock pipes sound much better now at an idle and the pipes are louder when you are going down the road. I put it through mountain roads, on the freeway and some traffic on surface streets and must say I couldn’t be any happier. The bike also ran much cooler and never got close to the hot side even in slow traffic and slow uphill winding roads.

Cold start was no problem and the idle did search up and down for a short time but was not too high on the RPM’s. It settled down very shortly to the 900 RPM and stayed there at every stop I did.

The MPG guestimator was reading higher than before so I do think that I will see higher MPG’s.

This is the way the bike should run from the factory but because of the EPA rules we have to spend more money to make them right. What I don’t understand is why the motorcycle industry can’t make a motorcycle run like this from the factory. The auto industry has managed this with our cars and trucks so why not the motorcycle industry :???: :shrug:

Again Ivan, thank you for doing this for our 1700's, you are The Man!!! :cheers:

[Scootergptx]

After my whining about the 2000 rpm cold idle (and learning none of the other Ivanized bikes rev that high) I've been busy tinkering. I wasn't able to find an intake leak but I removed and re-sealed the manifold anyway and replaced the throttle body complete with TPS. Also treated the old girl with new spark plugs and coolant and sprayed all my connectors with contact cleaner, and cleaned the TB and intake with carb cleaner.
I've had 2 real cold starts at freezing temps and a couple other cold starts and my bike now cold idles at 1500 and quickly drops to 1200. After 5 minutes it idles at 850. The bike still runs great and same good mileage as before so I'm happy!
I don't know what actually caused the 2000 rpm idle because I did several things but I suspect the other TPS was a bit out of range.

I'd say mine starts out around 15-1700. Got an erratic idle, had it before the ecu was sent off, so that has nothing to do with Ivan's work. I put a gasket between the thunder intake mount and the intake manifold, but not where the oring gaskets are. I think doing this would resolve my issue. For the list of projects I have going right now, it may be a few weeks till I get that done. At least it will be warm when I do it. Maybe even in my new work shop.

[hlknvlcn60]

I put the Thunder intake manifold gasket in last Fall back when I was experiencing all the backfiring problems doing everything under the sun to get rid of the headaches. I gooped it on both sides with high temp Permatex and really sealed everything up in that connection including burying the O-rings tightly in there. Since the Ivan ecu tune, things run perfectly now even better so no regrets on the gasket....every little thing you can do makes it that much better.

[smokier]

Well I just got back from a 115-mile trip with my new “Ivanized Bike”. I have to say that if you are thinking about doing this don’t hesitate as it is worth every penny. :yep:

Thank you Ivan for joining our forum and doing this for the 1700 Vulcan's. :tup::tup:
(Snip)
Again Ivan, thank you for doing this for our 1700's, you are The Man!!! :cheers:

A huge PLUS 1 :D

[Nomad1968]

I just finished a 200 miles ride with my buddies across South Florida. Bike is running amazing! Trip meter was 178 miles when I had to refill 5 gallons. One of my buddies with a Harley got close behind me a few times to hear the roar from the V&H and told me how awesome my bike sounds! Today I had my Shoei Neotec and earplugs I was able to hear the roar of the ThunderMFG and the V&H so clean! The flash is definitely worth the investment :cheers:

[hlknvlcn60]

Yesterday on an 80 degree day 90 miles on a half tank Thunder intake ecu flash, 2-1 FP pipe.....yes, the flash is worth every dime invested and still running nice and cool.

[RACNRAY]

Same temps down here but 15-20 mph winds, seemed everywhere I went I was pushin into a head wind!

At half tank I was at 126 miles on my GPS and ran that tank out to 223 miles, took 4.982 gllns for an actual average of 44.85 mpg!

Once our spring time winds die down I'll be back up into high 40's/ low 50's.

RACNRAY

[hlknvlcn60]

Ray that is great mpg....I am wondering if the fact that you are at sea level helps with that a little more. I am at about 3,000 ft. I am also switching back to my Roaring Toyz air breather for more volume. I am always experimenting with things...perhaps a little too much for comfort sometimes. I am thinking also the fact that your ride has as many miles on it helps too, nice loose motor.

[RACNRAY]

Higher altitudes generally allow for a bit better mpg compared to if ridden the same manner at lets say sea level. Less air density = less fuel consumed. Of course ridin style has ALOT to do and lately with our stupid wind we've been having it has takin a toll on mpg. Heading westbound on I-595 with the Atlantic ocean breeze pushin me along mpg and power is NICE...comin back eastbound against that wind it's like I lost 15 horsepower!! Even travelin north or south the side winds really detract from the fun, and these Vaqueros are like big sails and get pushed all over. But then I ride my Busa which only weighs 500 pnds and that thing has ants in it's pants!!!

Also I custom mapped my skoot in the advanced mode back in January or so, to finally accommodate my Gen 2 airbox I built last summer. I don't have a generic map which is what you get in a re-flash of an ECU so I have that advantage in power and mpg. There is ALWAYS the possibility to gain performance and mpg over a flashed ECU with further fine tuning. All of the skoots I have had with flashed ECU's have benefitted from custom mapping on my dyno. Just like any PCV map from anyone/any company/tuner for a specific intake/exhaust combo will not be perfect for other skoots with that same combo, flashed ECU's fall under the same scenario.

As far as my engine being "loose"...my skoot almost never leaves my sight and it's locked up at nite so if it's "getting around" I'm not aware, of course we are always the last to know!!!

LOL

RACNRAY

[LX708]

Ray can you share with us on the power gains you've seen with an Ivan's reflash and a custom map?...

[RACNRAY]

Ray can you share with us on the power gains you've seen with an Ivan's reflash and a custom map?...

Have not had a 1700 with Ivan's flash on my dyno yet, but the sportbikes in the past have all benefitted from custom mapping on top of ECU flashing. I have a CBR1000RR that I just performed internal engine work that has had the ECU flashed (while I was doin the engine work)to specs similar as what I did so it'll be on the dyno soon for the fine tuning. Same cams but with my headwork and some seriously bad azz velocity stacks only I make so their flash won't be perfect, none are.

RACNRAY

[Scootergptx]

Finally got to fill up after having the flash done. Not seeing a huge improvement, but I still haven't gotten out of the "quit riding like that" stage.

At this point, I'm not sure I'm ever going to.

[Scootergptx]

I put the Thunder intake manifold gasket in last Fall back when I was experiencing all the backfiring problems doing everything under the sun to get rid of the headaches. I gooped it on both sides with high temp Permatex and really sealed everything up in that connection including burying the O-rings tightly in there. Since the Ivan ecu tune, things run perfectly now even better so no regrets on the gasket....every little thing you can do makes it that much better.

I had seen a few that said they used the thunder gasket, high temp grease and kept the seals. Wondered why I couldn't use permatex instead. If I can get a weekend it's not raining, I'll have to do that as well.

[hlknvlcn60]

I've always relied on Permatex products for many years, both for cars and bikes.

[hlknvlcn60]

I am getting about 42-44 mpg now if...and I say if, I am not being so ham fisted. The roads we ride out here go up and down hills and mountains, with nice sweepers and twisties so naturally the throttle gets opened more often than not unless we are droning the long flat straights in places and yes, the wind can sometimes be a bear. Just this past weekend a wind spout came across the road and blew my "wind sail" Vaquero into the other lane (lucky for me no one was coming in the other lane toward me) and wiggled the front end a little! Typical spring weather. After my ecu tune with Ivan, my friends tell me they smell a little rich mix coming from my tail pipe, mostly when the motor is running a little cooler but as things warm up I expect improvements for better mpg. The motor runs so nice now though....smoother, cooler, and stronger.

[Scootergptx]

My problem is the ride home from work. I may sit in traffic just trying to get out of downtown, only to get on a crowded freeway. Riding in early in the morning is much better. Less traffic, more open freeway.

Even without trying now, the bike just gets up to 80 so easily now.

[hlknvlcn60]

I noticed that too.....5th and 6th gear the bike seems to pull much better and harder, with less throttle input at the grip. So it makes sense, when cruising in top gear at say, 70-75 you will save fuel and go longer on a tank.

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

I've got about 400 miles on the bike since Ivan's flash and I'm averaging 41-43 mpg without much time on the highway. Did get 34 mpg on my first tank running it hard. I'm switching from a Chuckster air intake to a Roaring Toyz today, will be interesting to see if there's any change at all in performance or MPG. I'm still playing with the PCV some after having the bike just test run on a dyno to where where the A/F was with the flash.

[Ken Vega]

I've got about 400 miles on the bike since Ivan's flash and I'm averaging 41-43 mpg without much time on the highway. Did get 34 mpg on my first tank running it hard. I'm switching from a Chuckster air intake to a Roaring Toyz today, will be interesting to see if there's any change at all in performance or MPG. I'm still playing with the PCV some after having the bike just test run on a dyno to where where the A/F was with the flash.

I took the bike on a hard run yesterday to test WOT. In 5th at about 4400 RPM I heard a small plink plink. Not sure if I would call it pinging. It did not sound like a rattling bag of marbles in the engine at all. The bike was pulling stupid hard. I had changed the PCV to add 3% fuel from 3750 rpm to redline in the 60%-100% throttle range. I now bumped those settings to 4% just to be safe. The air is pretty dense here in South FL. I dont ride at WOT so I am going to leave it alone now. At 80 mph cruise the motor is cool as a cucumber and a slight goose of the throttle will get you to 95 mph in seconds. I am running 93 octane right now.:D

[Scootergptx]

When I first got mine back and put in, I did an easy cruise up to the gas station. When I left there, I found out that Ivan does indeed not mess with the rev limiter. Hadn't hit it before, good to know where it is now.

[tonik]

At 80 mph cruise...

I just got mine back from the dealer for an oil leak, so my ECU is going out next week. But I am curious. On mine at 80 with the cruise on it has a weird kind of rumble...almost like it is lugging. Very minor, just annoys the snot out of me. Did you have that before...and is it gone now?

Won't change my mind on getting it done, just curious.

[hlknvlcn60]

tonik I didn't notice anything like that after my ecu flash...just a much better running bike. Ken....93 octane in Fla.? The highest we get up here in Oregon is 92 and I run the ethanol-free version as availability is good here. Sounds like your PCV tune is working well for you and yes, the air in Fla. is very dense....I remember it well when I lived in St. Petersburg for a few years. Nothing like sea level air. I too, have been noticing a good hard 5th gear pull as well, but I shift usually at no more than about 4300 rpm as the torque curve is pretty done at that point. Sounds to me like your PCV tune has helped raise the curve a little more by adding in more fuel. Interesting.

[terryd]

Same temps down here but 15-20 mph winds, seemed everywhere I went I was pushin into a head wind!

At half tank I was at 126 miles on my GPS and ran that tank out to 223 miles, took 4.982 gllns for an actual average of 44.85 mpg!

Once our spring time winds die down I'll be back up into high 40's/ low 50's.

RACNRAY


I'll be sending my ECU in next week and I sure hope I experience that kind of increase in fuel mileage. I've been getting around 32 mpg through the break in with all the rolling on and off the throttle for the first thousand miles. 25 mph plus Spring winds haven't helped either.

I just ordered a Thunder Mfg teardrop breather and a set of Vance & Hines slash cuts are sitting in the garage ready to go on too. I'll be going from bone stock to Ivan ECU flash, breather and pipes all at once so I'm expecting a noticeable bump in performance.

[Zeineth]

after the update I got on my first tank 41 mpg. that's fuel in vs miles on the OD. Don't think my second is going to as good. Can't get off the throttle now. lol

[RACNRAY]

I took the bike on a hard run yesterday to test WOT. In 5th at about 4400 RPM I heard a small plink plink. Not sure if I would call it pinging.

That "plink plink" is not good and detonation doesn't have to be that full "bag of marbles", can be just a quick "hello". There is also what we call "inaudible" detonation and that is not good either.The abrupt cylinder pressure rise is damaging and runnin 93 octane indicates the engine is operating in that "danger zone" in those scenarios.

tonik. Sounds to me like your PCV tune has helped raise the curve a little more by adding in more fuel. Interesting.

Altering settings in a PCV doesn't necessarily "raise the curve" especially if it is only a change of "1". Without knowing if the pinging is caused by a lean mixture or too much ignition timing your just pissing in the wind. The cause of the pinging must be isolated and rectified, if there is too much ignition timing you can richen it up to suppress the audible pinging but you'll still have the inaudible detonation that will damage pistons/cylinder bores and rod bearings.

Years and hundreds of engine builds and dyno time has taught me much and as I have been telling MANY peeps that have called me on the fone asking my opinion on the flash, I have told them it's a generic flash just like a map from DynoJet for a specific exhaust is a generic map, both are starting points that further tuning always benefits. Ivan's claim that his flash will be fine for 95% of the skoots should have never been made as how can he make such a statement and then, from what I have heard, instruct 1700 owners with PCV's to "add fuel" to certain areas?

That 95% is inaccurate.

RACNRAY

[Ivan_ipp]

Ignition timing at full throttle is stock.


Ivan

[RACNRAY]

Ignition timing at full throttle is stock.


Ivan

Then that narrows it down for sure.

RACNRAY

[Ivan_ipp]

You are in no position to make judgements about something that you have no idea what was changed and what was not. The fact that you are, just shows your ignorance.

If you want to know what was changed, then reverse engineer it, and figure it out yourself.

Until then, keep playing with your wideband in a box on the wall and your "custom mapped" PCV.

It is correct for 95% of anything that you throw at it.


Ivan

[RACNRAY]

You are in no position to make judgements about something that you have no idea what was changed and what was not. The fact that you are, just shows your ignorance.

If you want to know what was changed, then reverse engineer it, and figure it out yourself.

Until then, keep playing with your wideband in a box on the wall and your "custom mapped" PCV.

It is correct for 95% of anything that you throw at it.


Ivan

DAMN...I only presented the scenarios that could affect "pinging' and I did it in a respectful manner, tho I certainly have extensive knowledge and know that certain claims cannot be made such as "95% of anything that gets thrown at it". Even with my "ignorance" I cannot make claims like that with over 39 years as a m/c technician.

BTW IVAN....with my so called "ignorance" I am gonna challenge you to rectify your use of the antiquated and no longer accurate STD correction factor that your dyno runs are displayed in. The STD c/f was replaced by the Society Of Automotive engineers OVER 20 YEARS AGO with the SAE C/F to be a more accurate means of analyzing dyno results and ALL of us I'm gonna say "ignorant" dyno operators KNOW that the ONLY reason any dyno operator displays dyno runs in STD is the fact the results are always HIGHER than SAE. With your reputation I was surprised that you chose to display the dyno runs in that format. For years I have called STD the penis correction factor, and many peeps have been surprised at the differences in power levels between SAE and SAE, especially on skoots in the 150+ H.P. range.

I have ALWAYS had a TON of respect for you and your company thru the years. PERIOD. BUT that has been somewhat tarnished; by dyno runs in the STD format, and with your response claiming my "ignorance" and your tone.

My "ignorance" has caused me spend HOURS on the fone with 1700 owners thru the years answering questions that were only intended to help and send them on the right path, AND NOT MAKE A FRIGGIN DIME, oh lets say...95% of the time.

I rode a 1700 with your flash and was instantly impressed with the throttle response and stated as much on that thread, so I have nothing against your product, only the claims made.

NOTHING PERSONAL...and we need not go there.

RACNRAY

[Ivan_ipp]

STD correction factor = 60 degrees F (what you should see at 60 degrees) simplified
SAE correction factor = 77 degrees F (what you should see at 77 degrees) simplified

Look it up.... Neither is antiquated, outdated or whatever. Use whatever correction you like, but don't criticize other's methods for their results.... it's the gain that's important, not the numbers.... you above anyone here should know this.

The way that you write is accusatory and inflammatory.... I find it offensive that you make judgements about things that you don't know about... You should be directing people to me... for me to advise them about my products.... You know nothing about reverse engineering and ECU flash, and how an ECU calculates what it's fuel delivery should be.

Just the same, I don't know your customers, your business with them, and I'm not interested either.... it's not my business.

I direct people who have specifics about other people's products to speak to the product maker... not tell them that they make false claims and that the product is flawed or whatever spin you want to put on it.

There may be some fine tuning that needs to be done as with any new product, and it's my job to take care of my customers.
I'm not interested how you treat your customers or what you have done for anyone and for how much money if any at all.... Again, that's none of my business.


Ivan

[RACNRAY]

Then we agree to disagree on so many aspects, and I am ok with that. Hope you are too.

You have a good product that is gonna help (and is helping) many 1700 owners out.

That's my spin on it.

RACNRAY

[Ivan_ipp]

OK, that's cool.... and I'm sorry for calling you ignorant. :)


Ivan

[hlknvlcn60]

I'll be sending my ECU in next week and I sure hope I experience that kind of increase in fuel mileage. I've been getting around 32 mpg through the break in with all the rolling on and off the throttle for the first thousand miles. 25 mph plus Spring winds haven't helped either.

I just ordered a Thunder Mfg teardrop breather and a set of Vance & Hines slash cuts are sitting in the garage ready to go on too. I'll be going from bone stock to Ivan ECU flash, breather and pipes all at once so I'm expecting a noticeable bump in performance.

Terryd you will be real happy...believe me.

[Lumberjack]

Ray and Ivan - Thanks guys for ending it there... :tup:

[hlknvlcn60]

I hate to say this, but I saw the Ray and Ivan thing coming....and very happy to see that the two men have found resolve and understanding. Peace to the both of you...you are both very intelligent technicians with a lot to offer and the members of the forum surely appreciate all of it!

[JD Hog]

I hate to say this, but I saw the Ray and Ivan thing coming....and very happy to see that the two men have found resolve and understanding. Peace to the both of you...you are both very intelligent technicians with a lot to offer and the members of the forum surely appreciate all of it!

I second this, I look up to both these men. :tup::tup:

[terryd]

Despite the tension in the air, I learned something from the exchange and that's a good thing. I was not aware that there were different correction factor standards and now I am. It prompted me to do a little research to further understand them and I'm glad I did. From the research I did, RACNRAY is correct in saying the SAE standard has become the er...standard that most dyno techs use. Ivan pointed out that SAE is adjusted for 77 degrees F and STD is adjusted for 60 degrees F, which my research also found to be the case. I also learned that the difference in readings between the two is about 4 %. But as Ivan said, it's the gains we are interested in and as long as you're using one standard and not jumping from one to the other it doesn't matter. Either method will illustrate the gains from tuning. With the amount of experience Ivan has I'm sure he has valid reasons for using the STD standard. Frankly I don't care how he gets 16.5 more lb-ft and 14.5 more hp out of my engine, only that he does and is offering it to me.

My ECU will be coming to you next week Ivan.

[Scootergptx]

Beer. The grown up version of standing around, holding hands and saying it's all good.

http://www.escali.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/getty_rf_photo_of_group_beer_toast.jpg

[Lumberjack]

I think you have it backwards and MORE problems occur when alcohol is introduced...:cheers: Can we just cuddle instead?

Beer. The grown up version of standing around, holding hands and saying it's all good.

[Framer]

As the moderator that has to read all this I'm glad of the out come too.

[Ivan_ipp]

Most people want to know what their machine will make in ideal conditions..... 77 degrees is not ideal (it's average) .

Ideal is 60 degrees and low humidity w/a good barometer
(dense air w/ lots of oxygen)

Just #'s that don't mean much by themselves... the only tests that are valid are done back to back on the same day with an adequate cool down period for both setups being tested. All dyno's read slightly different.... comparisons done on 2 different dynos aren't comparable either.

Runs done on a different day aren't comparable.... different weather conditions give different results corrected or not.... That's just the way it is. It's very easy for a dyno operator to show gains that aren't real. Fuel adjustments on a bike like this will only give 1-2 hp gains in certain areas unless the fueling is very far off (like 3-4 AFR).

Any tuner that shows more than 1-2 hp gains (Usually in the midrange) from fuel adjustments either doesn't know how to use his equipment, or is deliberately showing skewed results.

Fuel adjustments should have the chart lines intersecting in many areas, if the lines don't line up anywhere, then the test is not a true comparison.

Ivan

[MidIAVoyager]

I've got Racnray's mod and Ivan's mod both seem to have accomplished what was represented by that person/business. My respect goes out to both of them individually.

[terryd]

I've got Racnray's mod and Ivan's mod both seem to have accomplished what was represented by that person/business. My respect goes out to both of them individually.

I'm still fairly new here. What does Racnray's mod consist of? I'm aware of his throttle mod but nothing else.

[RACNRAY]

I'm still fairly new here. What does Racnray's mod consist of? I'm aware of his throttle mod but nothing else.

I'll send u the info in a pm.

RACNRAY

[JD Hog]

I've got Racnray's mod and Ivan's mod both seem to have accomplished what was represented by that person/business. My respect goes out to both of them individually.


Same here for me, both mods work great together. I highly recommend these to all.

[RACNRAY]

While back I rode a customer's Nomad to analyze the fork work I had just performed which already had my throttle mod for some time. Recently he brought it in with and just had his ECU flashed by Ivan. He brought it in for me to install the t/body gasket and BAK.

I took the opportunity to take it for a test ride b4 I performed the BAK/GASKET install and was HIGHLY impressed with the throttle response in comparison with just my mod. I rode the skoot extensively that night to assess the results and to diagnose a whine he was not happy with. Turns out he had LOTS of tranny whine. A higher viscosity oil went in the next day which he has reported reduced the whine by a large amount.

The combination of my throttle mod and Ivan's flash works EXTREMELY well together and the added power with that BAK installation made that skoot and it's owner very happy.

RACNRAY

[hlknvlcn60]

I have the throttle mod, the ecu, big air, and thunder intake man. gasket and yes, I am FINALLY AT LONG LAST DAMMIT really really happy. This is one of the biggest reasons I become a member on a forum like this one.....you can connect with all the right people and get things done the way they need to be. AMEN

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Ivan,

I've got your flash installed and also have a PCV on the bike. I live at 5000 ft and a typical outing for a day would have me between 5000 and 8500 feet. Can you suggest any low end tuning changes I can make in the PCV? I had to lean out the 2% & 5% throttle below 1500 RPM by -2% to get the bike to start without cracking the throttle by hand. I tried that on a whim figuring the bike was rich on startup and it worked. So I'm wondering if I should lean it out anywhere else to adjust for my altitude?

Thanks

[Ivan_ipp]

Yes, I can,
Please call me on the phone when you have time to discuss.

Ivan

[tonik]

I sent mine out this morning, unfortunately it isn't back yet. :)

[captj3]

I sent mine out this morning, unfortunately it isn't back yet. :)

Very funny, now if you only had a personal shipping company they could deliver it to him and back to you the same day.:lmao:

[OhioVoyager]

I have read this line a half dozen times. Love it! However, it took me that many to see the spelling error!

you have "move" instead of "movie"...


If driving a car is like watching a movie...
Then riding a motorcycle is like staring in a movie...
And riding a motorcycle with a stereo is like staring in a move with a great soundtrack!!
Thanks

[mrt]

Sending mine out today. Hope to get it back before the weekend. Can't wait to see what difference it makes.

[tonik]

Very funny, now if you only had a personal shipping company they could deliver it to him and back to you the same day.:lmao:

I supposed I could have hired a cab to take it out there and bring it back.

[Lumberjack]

"Dancing to bad music is like having bad sex, with an ugly person - it just doesn't feel right..."

I have read this line a half dozen times. Love it! However, it took me that many to see the spelling error!

you have "move" instead of "movie"...


Originally Posted by Fried Chicken Blowout View Post
If driving a car is like watching a movie...
Then riding a motorcycle is like staring in a movie...
And riding a motorcycle with a stereo is like staring in a move with a great soundtrack!!
Thanks

[tonik]

Dang it. I paid for overnight shipping to Ivan. Should have been delivered today, but something went wrong. It is sitting 7 miles from his shop at UPS and not being delivered until tomorrow.

[JD Hog]

Dang it. I paid for overnight shipping to Ivan. Should have been delivered today, but something went wrong. It is sitting 7 miles from his shop at UPS and not being delivered until tomorrow.

Can you get a refund from the overnight shipping price? I know this isn't what you wanted but you might as well get some money back since they failed you.

[randog]

I sent mine yesterday from CA FedEx overnight and got deliver confirmation first thing this morning.

[tonik]

Can you get a refund from the overnight shipping price? I know this isn't what you wanted but you might as well get some money back since they failed you.

It appears that I can, and will certainly ask for it.

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Dang it. I paid for overnight shipping to Ivan. Should have been delivered today, but something went wrong. It is sitting 7 miles from his shop at UPS and not being delivered until tomorrow.


OUCH! I sent my wife's ECU out yesterday via FedEx Overnight. Ivan signed for it at 10am. Just waiting for his call to say it's ready for its return trip. We ride on Thursdays when we're both off so I'm trying to get it back tomorrow so it's ready to hit the road. Hopefully all goes well with its processing and return. I always go FedEx for overnight.

[tonik]

OUCH! I sent my wife's ECU out yesterday via FedEx Overnight. Ivan signed for it at 10am. Just waiting for his call to say it's ready for its return trip. We ride on Thursdays when we're both off so I'm trying to get it back tomorrow so it's ready to hit the road. Hopefully all goes well with its processing and return. I always go FedEx for overnight.

When he calls ask him to drive down to UPS and beat them for me. And while he is there pick up my ECU. :)

[randog]

OUCH! I sent my wife's ECU out yesterday via FedEx Overnight. Ivan signed for it at 10am. Just waiting for his call to say it's ready for its return trip. We ride on Thursdays when we're both off so I'm trying to get it back tomorrow so it's ready to hit the road. Hopefully all goes well with its processing and return. I always go FedEx for overnight.
I sent mine the same way. Got confirmation that he received it and I haven't gotten a call either. He must be real busy?

[TX1700]

I sent mine out this morning, unfortunately it isn't back yet. :)


Tonik, I sent mine out yesterday 4/25 and I was a cheap bastard and used USPS and it will take as much as three days to get to Ivan. Damn, why didn't I use overnight!

[tonik]

Woohoo, UPS just delivered it. Don't expect him to turn it today, that would be unreasonable. But my plan to get it back by the weekend is looking good now.

[tonik]

So he saw my posts here, turned it around instantly and it is going back out today. He is a wise man, he uses Fed Ex.

[hlknvlcn60]

tonik I experienced the same kind of anxiety you are, like a kid in a candy store. I had to ship mine all the way from Oregon to NY and back but it was well worth the wait. When it came back and I got it in the bike, in came two full weeks of really horrible weather the same day before I could go out and test it. A few sleepless nights ensued after that....but you are going to love the way your ride runs when you have it back in the box and plugged in all ready to go. After a few long test runs you will be smiling all the way to the bank.

[tonik]

I am good now, it was delivered this morning to my wife's work in a professional and on time manner by Fed Ex. Almost took a half day off, but there is too much going on at work today...so just a few more hours.

[TX1700]

It feels good to be like a kid in a candy store! It's doesn't happen much at my age. ;) Mine made it to Ivan's shop this morning. No call yet but I bet he is swamped with re-flash jobs.

[Scootergptx]

Finally got a tank through without putting the bike through it's paces. Before was at 32mpg, now at 35.

Now, back to the fun riding. I could care less about the mpg the way it runs now.

[Peg]

tonik I experienced the same kind of anxiety you are, like a kid in a candy store. I had to ship mine all the way from Oregon to NY and back but it was well worth the wait....

Imagine how it felt shipping one from NZ & back again... Checking the tracker several times each day, mild panic when it stalled in Auckland on the way back (at Customs - they clipped the ticket). Fifteen day turnaround. :wtf:

[dabull]

So... I currently have slip ons on the voyager---if I had it flashed as is, if I later chose to put on BAK would I need to have it re-flashed?

[UNCLE WILLIE]

So... I currently have slip ons on the voyager---if I had it flashed as is, if I later chose to put on BAK would I need to have it re-flashed?

survey says probably not

[tonik]

Put mine in as soon as I got home. Just got back from my 40 mile test course, I use it as my benchmark for all peformance mods, tire changes, suspension changes and so on. Through a national park in a valley near here, zig zag in and out side roads in it. Nice combo of sweepers, kinda curvy sections and elevations changes. Then a decent freeway run back.

It does everything everyone has said, runs like a raped ape. Cooler, throttle response is awesome...1500 to 2500 is now a very usable rpm range. Very nice if you drive aggressively like I do..I can throttle/brake down into a curve in 3rd..leave it there and go WOT half way through and it launches and drives right out. Usually needed to downshift into 2nd before to do that. Very very cool.

However, in a couple of spots it has a ping, that concerns me. For example 70 mph in 5th which is 3K and right in the sweetspot for hp/torque on this bike if I go 3/4 throttle to WOT it pings. I run Shell high octane.

[Kap]

I've got enough miles on my bikes now, so I think it's time to make a formal comment. I had both of my 1700 Vulcans done by Ivan (a 2010 Classic and a 2013 Voyager). Both the bikes run premium fuel, have Kuryakyn Alley Cats, Thunder throttle body gaskets, PC-Vs, RACNRAY's throttle mods, and exhaust upgrades.

VOYAGER: I expected the Voyager to be an easy flash as I ride it pretty easy and it seems so forgiving. Plus it has regular slip-ons. With that in mind, I had the Voyager done first. My biggest concern with this bike was getting rid of the pop and if it ran better great. Before the flash, the PC-V was able to really help with the pop, but the bike felt like it was running rich at times and it never really felt "tuned" (even after about 40 PC-V map adjustments). After the flash, and with the PC-V set to dead zero, the bike is SOOOO smooth and there's no pop at all. The throttle response is great and the bike just feels right. I will say to those getting this done, be sure you adjust the throttle cables as the bike is NOT going to be slushy anymore so you will want to be more exact with that setting. Gas mileage seems to be in very normal range, I don't really watch that too closely.

CLASSIC: The Classic has Cobra Dragsters (they are loud). The pop was much worse on that bike and there was a tuning issue. I tried both a PC-V and Cobra PowerPro tuners but wasn't happy with the pop or the power with either one (the PC-V worked better). I was really dreading having to take the darn Dragster exhaust off and going back stock, but if the re-flash didn't work that was where I was headed. Ivan did his re-flash and I set the PC-V to give just a touch of fuel at high RPM and full throttle. SO SWEET... 99.9% of the pop is gone, even with Corba Dragsters! The response and power are both great. Gas mileage seems improved (getting about or better than the Voyager now), but that's not really surprising as the settings I was running with the PC-V were pretty rich. Recently, I find myself taking this bike out more than the Voyager as it's so much more fun to ride now.

PROCESS: I used Fed-Ex to ship to Ivan and paid a touch extra to get him to ship back using 2 day shipments. I get a discount on shipping thru my office, that made it easier. For two weeks in a row, I removed an ECU on Sunday night (starting with the Voyager), shipped it to Ivan on Monday morning, and got it back before the weekend. There was no weekend downtime because it was two day shipping both ways. Ivan's turn-around time was very fast.

COLD START: There's been talk about cold start idle being higher after the re-flash. Ok, I think it may be a bit higher now, but for me it's not too high or even a hint of an issue. Ivan explained that it was necessary for him to make some cold run adjustments, in order to improve some of the warmer running conditions. Fine by me for sure. I let the bike idle anyway for a while before I touch throttle (in the morning I idle going down a slight grade for about 3 or 4 blocks as I leave my neighborhood).

SUMMARY/OPINION: This is more of an opinion than a summary. It is my opinion that if you are running stock pipes, filters, and feel the performance is good, then Ivan's re-flash may not be needed to improve your riding adventures. However, if you've made any mods to your bike and still feel it needs something, get this done. I was so frustrated with the way my bikes were running and ready to put both bikes back to stock. God knows I hated the thought of undoing the work that was done. After the re-flash, I'm very satisfied with how this has turned out.

[JD Hog]

I've got enough miles on my bikes now, so I think it's time to make a formal comment. I had both of my 1700 Vulcans done by Ivan (a 2010 Classic and a 2013 Voyager). Both the bikes run premium fuel, have Kuryakyn Alley Cats, Thunder throttle body gaskets, PC-Vs, RACNRAY's throttle mods, and exhaust upgrades.

VOYAGER: I expected the Voyager to be an easy flash as I ride it pretty easy and it seems so forgiving. Plus it has regular slip-ons. With that in mind, I had the Voyager done first. My biggest concern with this bike was getting rid of the pop and if it ran better great. Before the flash, the PC-V was able to really help with the pop, but the bike felt like it was running rich at times and it never really felt "tuned" (even after about 40 PC-V map adjustments). After the flash, and with the PC-V set to dead zero, the bike is SOOOO smooth and there's no pop at all. The throttle response is great and the bike just feels right. I will say to those getting this done, be sure you adjust the throttle cables as the bike is NOT going to be slushy anymore so you will want to be more exact with that setting. Gas mileage seems to be in very normal range, I don't really watch that too closely.

CLASSIC: The Classic has Cobra Dragsters (they are loud). The pop was much worse on that bike and there was a tuning issue. I tried both a PC-V and Cobra PowerPro tuners but wasn't happy with the pop or the power with either one (the PC-V worked better). I was really dreading having to take the darn Dragster exhaust off and going back stock, but if the re-flash didn't work that was where I was headed. Ivan did his re-flash and I set the PC-V to give just a touch of fuel at high RPM and full throttle. SO SWEET... 99.9% of the pop is gone, even with Corba Dragsters! The response and power are both great. Gas mileage seems improved (getting about or better than the Voyager now), but that's not really surprising as the settings I was running with the PC-V were pretty rich. Recently, I find myself taking this bike out more than the Voyager as it's so much more fun to ride now.

PROCESS: I used Fed-Ex to ship to Ivan and paid a touch extra to get him to ship back using 2 day shipments. I get a discount on shipping thru my office, that made it easier. For two weeks in a row, I removed an ECU on Sunday night (starting with the Voyager), shipped it to Ivan on Monday morning, and got it back before the weekend. There was no weekend downtime because it was two day shipping both ways. Ivan's turn-around time was very fast.

COLD START: There's been talk about cold start idle being higher after the re-flash. Ok, I think it may be a bit higher now, but for me it's not too high or even a hint of an issue. Ivan explained that it was necessary for him to make some cold run adjustments, in order to improve some of the warmer running conditions. Fine by me for sure. I let the bike idle anyway for a while before I touch throttle (in the morning I idle going down a slight grade for about 3 or 4 blocks as I leave my neighborhood).

SUMMARY/OPINION: This is more of an opinion than a summary. It is my opinion that if you are running stock pipes, filters, and feel the performance is good, then Ivan's re-flash may not be needed to improve your riding adventures. However, if you've made any mods to your bike and still feel it needs something, get this done. I was so frustrated with the way my bikes were running and ready to put both bikes back to stock. God knows I hated the thought of undoing the work that was done. After the re-flash, I'm very satisfied with how this has turned out.


My 2015 Voyager is stock except for Ray's Throttle Mod and I would say that the re-flash was a huge improvement over stock. For those with a stock setup this is money well spent.

[Ivan_ipp]

Since there has been a couple of guys with large intake systems who have experienced a lean condition at large throttle openings at high rpms.... I feel that I should offer a separate flash for the open intake systems.

Anyone with a big air kit that experiences pinging and wants to have the fuel adjusted, please send it back and I'll add the fuel for you.

I will also take care of the shipping too.


Ivan

[tonik]

Since there has been a couple of guys with large intake systems who have experienced a lean condition at large throttle openings at high rpms.... I feel that I should offer a separate flash for the open intake systems.

Anyone with a big air kit that experiences pinging and wants to have the fuel adjusted, please send it back and I'll add the fuel for you.

I will also take care of the shipping too.


Ivan

Mine is all stock, but I am pinging at highway speeds with a heavy roll on.

[Ivan_ipp]

Try a different gas station please. ..

There's no reason for it to ping with a stock intake.

[Peg]

Since there has been a couple of guys with large intake systems who have experienced a lean condition at large throttle openings at high rpms.... I feel that I should offer a separate flash for the open intake systems.

Anyone with a big air kit that experiences pinging and wants to have the fuel adjusted, please send it back and I'll add the fuel for you.

I will also take care of the shipping too.


Ivan

I'll assume that that your generous shipping offer won't apply in my case Ivan?

I have wondered whether I re-install my EJK tuner to add a little fuel across the board. As you thought, with our simple choice of either 91 or 95 octane down here, I can no longer run with 91. I'm also suspicious that I've heard it ping slightly even on the higher grade fuel, as well. Loaded up, under hard acceleration up a hill in a tall gear.

I would be happy to take another two week downtime, perhaps in a month or two when we get deeper into our off-season - for just such an adjustment to add fuel, and if you thought it might work OK, in the meantime I could try the EJK set to add a little fuel either across the board or in just the acceleration / WOT bands?

I appreciate that the EJK is a tuner you may not be familiar with. And feel free to PM me if you think it's a discussion we should continue off thread.

Otherwise, and as I hope I've previously told you - I think the work you've done on my ECU is absolute magic! :tup:

[Ivan_ipp]

Just to clarify things here:

This applies to people with BAK's (open type air filters) who experience problems at full throttle, above 4000 rpm...
It does not apply to people that have a stock intake.

Each case will be handled separately in person by phone.
(you need to have a discussion in person on the phone with me)

Do not just send it back without speaking to me first.


Ivan

[smokier]

Since there has been a couple of guys with large intake systems who have experienced a lean condition at large throttle openings at high rpms.... I feel that I should offer a separate flash for the open intake systems.

Anyone with a big air kit that experiences pinging and wants to have the fuel adjusted, please send it back and I'll add the fuel for you.

I will also take care of the shipping too.

Ivan

This is excellent customer service. This is a business that wants to take care of it's customers and do the right thing.:cheers:

Another thumbs up for Ivan IPP :tup:

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

I have wondered whether I re-install my EJK tuner to add a little fuel across the board. As you thought, with our simple choice of either 91 or 95 octane down here, I can no longer run with 91. I'm also suspicious that I've heard it ping slightly even on the higher grade fuel, as well. Loaded up, under hard acceleration up a hill in a tall gear.


Peg,

I've been messing with the PCV on my bike with the ECU flash and a Roaring Toyz Intake with a Freedom 2-1 exhaust. It needs about +5 fuel at 3500 and above RPM in the 60% to 100% throttle input to get it rich enough to make good power or it felt a little flat in the open throttle areas.

Ivan's caution here has been that adding fuel below 3500 will reduce power as the engine likes to run lean down low. I can say I found that to be true, every time I added fuel below 3500 RPM I got a little boggy feeling when I opened the throttle. If you can get your EJK to target a specific RPM range as a hard cutoff for adding fuel it should work.

I'm currently running 91 octane at 5000 feet elevation and have not heard a single ping even before I started adding fuel. That's the highest octane we can buy here in the mountains. Not sure if there's an issue with fuel quality in NZ or if there's some other factor.

Jason

[Ivan_ipp]

"Down under" uses the old octane calculations that we used to use in the 60's and 70's...

Their octane # are different than ours .......
For example their 95 (regular) is equal to our 87.



Ivan

[terryd]

Since there has been a couple of guys with large intake systems who have experienced a lean condition at large throttle openings at high rpms.... I feel that I should offer a separate flash for the open intake systems.

Anyone with a big air kit that experiences pinging and wants to have the fuel adjusted, please send it back and I'll add the fuel for you.

I will also take care of the shipping too.


Ivan

Will this be a change applied to all flashes going forward? If so, would you have done this to mine which was flashed yesterday, 4/27?

[Ivan_ipp]

It will be going forward.

No yours was not done.

Once again,
Each case will be handled separately in person by phone.
(you need to have a discussion in person on the phone with me)

I don't have the time to spend everyday on the forum, but I want everyone happy.... please use the phone for questions about this.


Ivan

[gv550]

Ivan, would there be any problem with swapping out the reflashed ECU with a stock ECU? I have a couple buddies who would like to try your reflash in their bikes before deciding to go ahead with getting their own done, and I'd let them borrow mine for a day or two. And I have a spare stock ECU that I'd take with me on trips to northern Canada and Alaska due to scarcity of premium gas.
Almost 10,000 km on my reflash now and bike is running great. After swapping my throttle body my cold idle is 1500 rpm.

[Ivan_ipp]

No problem with that...

Glad that the problems are solved :tup:


Ivan

[terryd]

Ivan, would there be any problem with swapping out the reflashed ECU with a stock ECU? I have a couple buddies who would like to try your reflash in their bikes before deciding to go ahead with getting their own done, and I'd let them borrow mine for a day or two. And I have a spare stock ECU that I'd take with me on trips to northern Canada and Alaska due to scarcity of premium gas.
Almost 10,000 km on my reflash now and bike is running great. After swapping my throttle body my cold idle is 1500 rpm.

I thought the ignition key was coded to the ECU. Didn't know you could just swap ECUs like that.

[Ivan_ipp]

Not on this bike..... Some other models have this, but it's common in other countries.
Not in North America.


Ivan

[tonik]

I would imagine you would just get the code 98 error, unhook the neg post for 5 seconds and be good to go.

[Lumberjack]

Is anyone in Ottawa, Canada (or near) thinking of getting their ECU flashed by Ivan this summer?

[TX1700]

I received my Ivanized ECU today and had time for a little 20 mile ride on the toll road today at 80mph. No popping on decal at any speed. It is smooth and quick! I am like a kid with a new toy. I was running with 87 octane and no ping in any gear. However the temp was only 83 today. It will be sometime before I will know if the gas mileage improves because I can't get over how much the torque it seems to have now. It's going to be storming here the next few days so I am feeling like a caged cat. I want to get out and ride. I am glad that I waited to buy a tuner and saw all the write ups on Ivan's re-flash. Money well spent, even if I have to use 93 gas later if I get pinging in higher temps. :)

[mrt]

Got my ECU back yesterday and installed last night. Took a short ride and so far seems to be everything it's cracked up to be. Hoping for a longer 2 up ride tomorrow to give full test.

[terryd]

Got the Vance & Hines slash cuts mounted and the Ivanized ECU installed but it's raining. Started it up in the garage and I really like the sound of the V & H pipes at idle. Nice bark blipping the throttle without being over the top loud. Can't wait for the rain to stop so I can get out and experience what everyone is talking about.

[HeyJoe]

Is anyone in Ottawa, Canada (or near) thinking of getting their ECU flashed by Ivan this summer?

My Vaq is now Ivanized, as well as my budd's Voyager. Both happy campers with the re-flash.

[tonik]

Wanted to update everyone on my pinging issue. To recap I had a ping in 5th at 70mph with a hard roll on, Ivan suggested it could be a gas issue. My testing has been delayed due to rain, finally far enough along to believe I can call this issue solved.

Added some octane booster to the suspected bad gas. Problem instantly went away. Ran that tank to near empty. Then I filled up with 93 and took it through some street driving for a bit to get it good and warmed up. Hopped on the free way for 30 miles or so. I probably went from 70 to 90 20 times WOT. Up hills, down hills...flat. Hit it all. Then tried 6th at 65...low rpms in a high gear is always a great way to generate a ping.

Not a single ping.

So it was the gas, but bad gas is really rare plus getting it just before I park it to remove the ECU for flashing seems like a hell of a coincidence.

I suspect I am a dumbass, and grabbed the wrong pump handle and put regular in it. But thankfully I can't prove that.

So lets carry on praising the genius that is Ivan.

[MET-RICK]

What a pain in the gas! :lmao:. Glad its been resolved. Cheers

[hlknvlcn60]

Since the flash I have been running 92 ethanol-free gas and the bike runs smooth, spot on especially just cruising along at 70 in 6th. And yes, rolling it on, even in 6th it pulls so strongly now that passing is a snap. And with the low fuel prices premium fuel is still very affordable and nets greater fuel mileage as well.

[tonik]

spot on especially just cruising along at 70 in 6th. And yes, rolling it on, even in 6th it pulls so strongly now that passing is a snap.

That is the coolest part that I have noticed, can roll in 6th at 70 75 now and still be able to pass. No lugging, it just goes. Same thing in corners, don't have to downshift to get out of the corner.

Really awesome stuff.

[terryd]

Finally stopped raining here so I went home for lunch to get the bike. Ivan is a f!@%king genius! I have to say I've been a little disappointed with this bike. When I picked it up from the dealer my first impression was, this is 1700 ccs? Why does it even have a 6th, it can't use it. No more! Now short shifting actually feels right and even roll ons from 65 mph feel good. But rolling on from 80? Oh man! Can't wait to see what the Thunder Mfg breather does for it, if they ever send the damn thing. It's been almost two weeks and they haven't even shipped merchandise they tell me is in stock. I hope they're not in financial trouble or something and I just get screwed.

[hlknvlcn60]

terryd...you don't have to worry about Thunder, they will be around for a long time. Your freight should show up any day now. I have some of their stuff and experienced the same thing. I am currently running the Thunder tornado breather, having relocated and re-wired the temp sensor up to the front of the bike and love the performance. It feels like the bike runs with more power with the Thunder after the ecu flash than the Roaring Toyz unit having tried both. Thunder stuff is always good quality and performance tested before they go into production for sale. You will like it whether it is the tornado kit like mine or the tear-drop kit.

[terryd]

terryd...you don't have to worry about Thunder, they will be around for a long time. Your freight should show up any day now. I have some of their stuff and experienced the same thing. I am currently running the Thunder tornado breather, having relocated and re-wired the temp sensor up to the front of the bike and love the performance. It feels like the bike runs with more power with the Thunder after the ecu flash than the Roaring Toyz unit having tried both. Thunder stuff is always good quality and performance tested before they go into production for sale. You will like it whether it is the tornado kit like mine or the tear-drop kit.

Thanks for reassuring me. I'm just glad Ivan's flash works fine whether stock or breather kit installed so I don't have to worry about running too rich until the kit arrives. I don't quite understand how that's possible but I trust the guy. It would be nice if Ivan could describe why that's so for curiosity's sake. I've always thought a different map was required for every little change you make to the air flow and exhaust.

[captj3]

terryd...you don't have to worry about Thunder, they will be around for a long time. Your freight should show up any day now. I have some of their stuff and experienced the same thing. I am currently running the Thunder tornado breather, having relocated and re-wired the temp sensor up to the front of the bike and love the performance. It feels like the bike runs with more power with the Thunder after the ecu flash than the Roaring Toyz unit having tried both. Thunder stuff is always good quality and performance tested before they go into production for sale. You will like it whether it is the tornado kit like mine or the tear-drop kit.

I have the tornado kit as well. It takes in so much air that I was pinging from 4k and up from 60% throttle and up. Put in a pcv and solved the problem. The tornado act very much like a ram air on a car, great intake and you don't have the heavy hamming sound like other intakes.

[hlknvlcn60]

terryd.....yes, you will be okay running around with the flash until you get your open air kit installed, and then, you will really be smiling when you notice more power right out of the gate. Things are changing now on bikes since the old re-jetting carbs days, and even the fuel processors for the injected bikes don't hit it on the mark....the flash takes all the epa demanding quirks away and lets the bike run wide open like timing changes, and other stuff the little "brain" now handles with out the restrictions. It is a real good thing.

[hlknvlcn60]

Captj3 I agree.....I love the tornado and it makes good power and takes away some of the hissing and other weird intake noises a little better. Easy to service the filter too. And lastly besides it looking great, it's out of the way of the right knee which I like.

[Scootergptx]

Was paying attention to the speedometer this morning on my way in. Now you have to understand what the speed limit is in Dallas to appreciate todays observation.

The sign says 70mph. What this means is, if you're not doing 70, your a road hazard. I don't like being passed by a lot of cars, so I go with the flow. Most of the time.

Anyway, going from one highway to another and getting ready to merge into traffic. Guy in front of me is doing 60. Traffic I'm going to merge in to is doing about 75. Guy speeds up to 65, I dropped to 5th gear. See it's clear to get over and roll the throttle. Looked down once I was over, speedometer is at 92mph.

I'm really liking this bike since the reflash. :D

[hlknvlcn60]

No kidding the roll on power with the flash increased very noticeably. Even 6th gear pulls so much harder than before and reassures great passing power. I love it.

[terryd]

It just kills me how neutered this engine was before the flash.

[koga]

New battery..check. Zeroed out the PCV and turned of the auto tune.. Check. Now waiting on my Ivanized ECU. FEDEX shows it will be here tomorrow evening. Now they're talking rain and cool all weekend. $&@#% I'm still riding.

[Stutz]

Just received mine today. All he said it would be. No long ride yet, but several miles and ran like it should have from factory. Much smoother throttle and acceleration through full RPM range. No backfire on decell.
Stutz

[2Paps]

New battery..check. Zeroed out the PCV and turned of the auto tune.. Check. Now waiting on my Ivanized ECU. FEDEX shows it will be here tomorrow evening. Now they're talking rain and cool all weekend. $&@#% I'm still riding.


Just be careful in the wet conditions and remember it will be a different bike. :yep:

[smokier]

Now they're talking rain and cool all weekend. $&@#% I'm still riding.
That's what I'm talking 'bout!:tup:
Go get 'em!:cheers:

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Well my wife's uncle is flying into Colorado today. We will pick up his rental Harley tomorrow and then Sunday the three of us will set off for South Dakota for 5 days. It's suppose to SNOW on Monday in Lead, SD where we're staying the night. WTF... It's pretty much summer, lets get this crap weather done with already!

[hank43]

Anyone notice, in this forum subject that there has been 20,552 reads, and 445 responses? That alone should tell Kawasaki that people are interested in better performance in all aspects for these bikes. And, that does not include responses from other forums for other bikes!

Ivan, you're gonna have to hire some more people.........

hank43

Oh yeah, I haven't heard one bad thing about the reflash.

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Anyone notice, in this forum subject that there has been 20,552 reads, and 445 responses? That alone should tell Kawasaki that people are interested in better performance in all aspects for these bikes. And, that does not include responses from other forums for other bikes!

Ivan, you're gonna have to hire some more people.........

hank43



I'd have to say at this point I wouldn't buy another metric bike unless Ivan has a flash available. I was about to give up tuning my Vaquero when this came along and fixed everything I had complaints on.

[terryd]

I'd have to say at this point I wouldn't buy another metric bike unless Ivan has a flash available. I was about to give up tuning my Vaquero when this came along and fixed everything I had complaints on.

Because of EPA requirements I think it's a fairly consistent problem across all brands, at least with V-twins anyway. I never had any problems with my Suzuki GSX1250FA but I do wonder what Ivan could have done with that. He does have an upgrade for the Bandit 1200. I'm sure there is a lot of untapped potential in the Bandit 1250s since out of the factory they don't even make 100 HP. Putting a Two Brothers slip on on mine really woke it up but I'll bet Ivan could get even more out of it.

[Erilflynn]

Have my appointment with Ivan on Monday. Can't friggin wait.

[smokier]

Have my appointment with Ivan on Monday. Can't friggin wait.

In person?!?!?! Awesome!:tup: Tell Ivan "Thanks Again!" while you are there.:cheers:

Ride safe and ENJOY!
Smokier

[redjay]

Ivans re flash gets rave reviews on the 1300 Vstar forum as well.

[Erilflynn]

Yes he takes walk ins lol

[smokey]

One question on the ecu flash, I have a cobra auto tuner in the bike, do you know if it is recommended to leave it in, or remove it? I have the tri-ovals and alley kat air intake, I run regular gas up here in Canada as it seems to be a bit better than the stuff in the US

[koga]

Okay. Put the bike back together this morning. Amazing difference in performance, the herky jerk Is gone. I can drive at 30 to 40 mph in town and not be fighting the bike the whole time. I had gotten rid of most of the pop with the PCV now it's all gone. I had lost my low torque when I added the freedom performance exhaust. It's all back and then some. Rolling from a standstill is pure joy. I didn't realize how undrivable this bike was till now. Why the hell does Kawasaki put out a product that runs this poorly. Thanks Ivan !!! 5 stars!!!!!

[JD Hog]

One question on the ecu flash, I have a cobra auto tuner in the bike, do you know if it is recommended to leave it in, or remove it? I have the tri-ovals and alley kat air intake, I run regular gas up here in Canada as it seems to be a bit better than the stuff in the US

You should call Ivan and talk to him about that but if you can zero out the tuner then you could just leave it on the bike for future use if you want.

[Volvoy]

One question on the ecu flash, I have a cobra auto tuner in the bike, do you know if it is recommended to leave it in, or remove it? I have the tri-ovals and alley kat air intake, I run regular gas up here in Canada as it seems to be a bit better than the stuff in the US

Left mine hugged up. Bike performs flawlessly.

[smokey]

You should call Ivan and talk to him about that but if you can zero out the tuner then you could just leave it on the bike for future use if you want.
Called him but no answer, after hours by the looks of it, pmd as well, but my understanding of the cobra auto tuner, and I am not an expert by any means, is that unlike the pre mapped and pot controlled adjustability, the auto tuner compensates for the fuel requirement as it is need at various throttle openings, and as there is no map or pots, it would do no harm to just leave it in. That is just what I am thinking and not an expert opinion. I am sending my ecu down on Monday with a buddies who has a 1700 nomad, about a week turn around and we are supposed to get cold weather with freaking snow tomorrow, yep climate change is really here NOT. May as well get it done and hopefully it will improve the bike a bit.

[JD Hog]

Left mine hugged up. Bike performs flawlessly.

It's amazing what a good hug will do :lol:

[smokier]

Left mine hugged up. Bike performs flawlessly.

Push out the hate, bring in the love! :D

Hug safe,
Smokier

[captj3]

One question on the ecu flash, I have a cobra auto tuner in the bike, do you know if it is recommended to leave it in, or remove it? I have the tri-ovals and alley kat air intake, I run regular gas up here in Canada as it seems to be a bit better than the stuff in the US

When you get your ECU back from Ivan disconnect the power pro, The ground wire, and the injector leads. The reinstall the stock injector lead and ride the bike. It most likely won't need it. By the way I have one for sale if anyone is interested...lol

[smokey]

When you get your ECU back from Ivan disconnect the power pro, The ground wire, and the injector leads. The reinstall the stock injector lead and ride the bike. It most likely won't need it. By the way I have one for sale if anyone is interested...lol''Yep, just heard from the boss that it can be disconnected as the flash will do the job.

[DBFire]

If your bike is stock like mine and you are confused or on the fence if this is worth it, I can tell you without hesitation it is. Someone on the boards said this should be the first thing you do to your bike. I wholeheartedly agree.

[randog]

If your bike is stock like mine and you are confused or on the fence if this is worth it, I can tell you without hesitation it is. Someone on the boards said this should be the first thing you do to your bike. I wholeheartedly agree.
I too got Ivanized and have put on Vance and Hines slipons with the throttle mod. Bike runs really great. I am considering BAK and would like to everyone's feedback about which one - Chuckster's, Roaring Toys or Kuryakin?

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[redjay]

It depends on what you are looking for. Chuckster does a kit that leaves the bike looking stock and the bike gets all the air it needs. The other kits are probably more expensive but look different. Whatever kit you choose be prepared for extra intake noise. Some people have removed their kits for that reason. Go round the block with the cover over the intake removed and you get a feel for how the bike is going to sound after the install.

[warrbucks222]

So where is Ivan, how do I get in touch, and how much to flash my 1700 Nomad?

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[redjay]

http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/2010z1000.htm

$350 U.S

[randog]

It depends on what you are looking for. Chuckster does a kit that leaves the bike looking stock and the bike gets all the air it needs. The other kits are probably more expensive but look different. Whatever kit you choose be prepared for extra intake noise. Some people have removed their kits for that reason. Go round the block with the cover over the intake removed and you get a feel for how the bike is going to sound after the install.
I think I would go for keeping the stock look as long as the engine can get good air flow. I have looked at a lot of photos with the alley Cat and Roaring Toys that look nice but you see exposed bits between the cylinders because they don't cover up like the stock one does. I will probable go with Chuckster's or maybe the Thunder Mfg one that uses the stock cover.

Good idea on a test run without the cover.

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[Peg]

http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/vn1700.htm

$350 U.S

Here, let me fix that link for you :D ...It's scattered through this thread though, and post #1 by Ivan would always be an excellent place for warrbucks to start his search for it?

http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/vn1700.htm

[hank43]

115087.75 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/kawvulcan/messages/?msg=115087.75) in reply to 115087.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=115087.1&nav=msgwin&webtag=kawvulcan)
I had Ivan reflash my 2009 Voyager/Champion trike, seems to be running a little better, But one thing I did notice? This bike shifts like a bike now, NO MORE KLUNK WHEN I SHIFT FROM NEUTRAL TO 1ST, NO MORE KLUNK WHEN I UP SHIFT TO ANY GEAR! That alone was worth the $$, everything else is just icing on the cake! Anyone else notice this?
hank43

[smokier]

It depends on what you are looking for. Chuckster does a kit that leaves the bike looking stock and the bike gets all the air it needs. The other kits are probably more expensive but look different. Whatever kit you choose be prepared for extra intake noise. Some people have removed their kits for that reason. Go round the block with the cover over the intake removed and you get a feel for how the bike is going to sound after the install.
Greetings,
Roger that. Mine was removed due to extra noise...
:ohno:

Ride safe,
Smokier

[Peg]

115087.75 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/kawvulcan/messages/?msg=115087.75) in reply to 115087.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=115087.1&nav=msgwin&webtag=kawvulcan)
I had Ivan reflash my 2009 Voyager/Champion trike, seems to be running a little better, But one thing I did notice? This bike shifts like a bike now, NO MORE KLUNK WHEN I SHIFT FROM NEUTRAL TO 1ST, NO MORE KLUNK WHEN I UP SHIFT TO ANY GEAR! That alone was worth the $$, everything else is just icing on the cake! Anyone else notice this?
hank43

I thought the clunk was more due to the square cut gears, but if somehow an electronic modification has improved that for you, then :tup:

If you warm the engine with your clutch in, you'll find the drop into first gear so quiet that you'll have to check the gear position indicator to be certain it's there. That clunk from 1 to 2 is a whole other thing, and is always going to make itself heard around the neighborhood. That's down to the positive neutral finder, and with experience - is one of the signs to let you know it's time to change your oil (although it's always going to be attention grabbing).

[hank43]

I thought the clunk was more due to the square cut gears, but if somehow an electronic modification has improved that for you, then :tup:

If you warm the engine with your clutch in, you'll find the drop into first gear so quiet that you'll have to check the gear position indicator to be certain it's there. That clunk from 1 to 2 is a whole other thing, and is always going to make itself heard around the neighborhood. That's down to the positive neutral finder, and with experience - is one of the signs to let you know it's time to change your oil (although it's always going to be attention grabbing).

Disagree,
The klunk has been there since I got the bike in 2010, from neutral into 1st always klunked loudly, and the bike would jerk slightly. 1 to 2 or 2-3 or 3-4 or 4-5 or 5-6 ALWAYS made that noise, now it doesn't.
Talked to Ivan about it, he has heard the same. Over the years, Changing oil, trying different weights of oil. has never had any affect on the noise.

hank43

[MET-RICK]

Disagree,
The klunk has been there since I got the bike in 2010, from neutral into 1st always klunked loudly, and the bike would jerk slightly. 1 to 2 or 2-3 or 3-4 or 4-5 or 5-6 ALWAYS made that noise, now it doesn't.
Talked to Ivan about it, he has heard the same. Over the years, Changing oil, trying different weights of oil. has never had any affect on the noise.

hank43

*** This may help explain why...The following is a quote from another thread, answered by Ivan....."The reason that it shifts better is that you can unload the gears with "neutral throttle" ..... and because they aren't "loaded" (decel or accel), they will move with little resistance.

Without disabling fuel cut, it would not be possible to unload the gears. :tup:


Ivan" . *** Hope this helps. Cheers

[Peg]

Like I said... If you're happy that the flash has somehow made it easier for you to operate your transmission, then :tup:, or even :tup::tup:

Into 1, 2 to 3 and on up, I've never had issues with mine, even pre-flash... I can see it must be a little more difficult to nail the shifts just so with the extra weight of the drive-train on a trike though.

But do me a favor... just try warming the bike up with your clutch lever pulled in.

[robjob]

Like I said... If you're happy that the flash has somehow made it easier for you to operate your transmission, then :tup:, or even :tup::tup:

Into 1, 2 to 3 and on up, I've never had issues with mine, even pre-flash... I can see it must be a little more difficult to nail the shifts just so with the extra weight of the drive-train on a trike though.

But do me a favor... just try warming the bike up with your clutch lever pulled in.

How long of a warmup are you suggesting? I thought anything more than 15 seconds or so on a fuel injected engine is redundant. :shrug: Just curious.

[Peg]

How long of a warmup are you suggesting? I thought anything more than 15 seconds or so on a fuel injected engine is redundant. :shrug: Just curious.

However long you want... If you think 15 seconds is long enough then you can do that, and the shift will probably be quiet :shrug:. I wait for the idle to drop a little (which takes slightly longer after the flash), just so it's a little easier to get up my long tricky & rocky driveway.

[hank43]

*** This may help explain why...The following is a quote from another thread, answered by Ivan....."The reason that it shifts better is that you can unload the gears with "neutral throttle" ..... and because they aren't "loaded" (decel or accel), they will move with little resistance.

Without disabling fuel cut, it would not be possible to unload the gears. :tup:


Ivan" . *** Hope this helps. Cheers
Thanks for the explanation MET-RICK, I couldn't find the article you list, I just knew it shifted better.

hank43

[hlknvlcn60]

On cold starts I am patient with my 1700 keeping in mind the motor is a semi-dry sump mill that takes a bit longer for oil to reach every orifice inside for proper lube. And with the Ivan tune, the motor runs pretty rich until it reaches about around 130 degrees or better so mine gets a good 5 minutes of warming initially before leaving the house. For you guys who leave the "stock look" for your intake, one thing is for sure....you will not get nearly the air flow you would get with a BAK nor the power, especially after the Ivan tune. It is well worth the things you need to do to get a BAK on your bike and to cover the left side hole left when you remove the doggy bowl, go to Thunder MFG.'s website and do like I did and order an engine cover plate they make that goes in between the cylinders on the left side. It will also cover your now installed crankcase breather filter as well from sight. With the Ivan tune, BAK and 2-1 FP pipe, my bike makes a ton of good thrust especially during 5th and 6th gear roll ons for passing when the bike really needs to breathe and get going. My motor also gets much better mileage whilst cruising now, smoother, and runs cooler too.

[smokey]

I decided to get it done last week, wish I had decided earlier when our dollar was a little better. First impressions

I have an alley kat air filter plus cobra tri ovals, I also had a cobra auto tuner, with that set up I had lugging in OD and popping on decel.

With the mod, and based on Ivan's recommendation, the cobra auto tuner was removed, and the bike now runs on premium vice regular (regular is a little higher octane up here in Canada which is why I was using it).

Popping on decel is gone, at least I cannot hear it any more.

Acceleration is improved in each gear, even from low speed roll ons.

Gas mileage is the same as before the mod, it was crappy then and it is crappy now, maybe after a tank or so of premium has been used it will improve.

The most noticeable difference apart from the popping not being there, is that the OD gear is now like being in fifth as far as being able to accelerate goes, before in OD it was slow to respond when passing and I often downshifted, now I do not have to do that.

It also seem to be quieter somewhat, maybe I am just getting more hearing loss.

Would I recommend the flash? yes I would, the cost of the Cobra auto tuner alone nullifies the cost of the upgrade. Why Kawasaki doesn't hire Ivan I will never know, kudos to him for coming up with this and taking the time, effort, and yes, money, to develop this program, it works, what more can I say.

[hlknvlcn60]

I had the Cobra FI2000 powerpro auto tuner too and over 400 bones, for nothing. After the flash, everything changed for the better in every way and yes, 6th gear thunders hard now, really picks up and I have already achieved a higher top end speed just so everyone knows.

[randog]

I had the Cobra FI2000 powerpro auto tuner too and over 400 bones, for nothing. After the flash, everything changed for the better in every way and yes, 6th gear thunders hard now, really picks up and I have already achieved a higher top end speed just so everyone knows.
Ok how fast did you go?

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[notmighty]

I had Ivan's flashed ECU in my 2013 stryker and will be picking up my 16 Vaqero this week and she is going right to the garage and getting parked until I get the ECU back from Ivan.

[Snake Ranch]

I had the Cobra FI2000 powerpro auto tuner too and over 400 bones, for nothing. After the flash, everything changed for the better in every way and yes, 6th gear thunders hard now, really picks up and I have already achieved a higher top end speed just so everyone knows.

Yes, How fast did you go?:???: I need to know if my guarding angel can fly that fast.:tup:

[hlknvlcn60]

Randog I have seen an indicated 122 on the speedo and had a little more if the road hadn't come to a twist. Honestly, really. Not bad for a hulka-monster bagger.

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

At 5000 ft altitude, mine seems to run out of steam at an indicated 115 MPH in 6th. I couldn't really do anything over 85 MPH in 6th before because it was a dog, I had to be in 5th gear to go faster.

[hlknvlcn60]

My house is at only 2950 ft. above sea level so lots of power in the bike but we get up to over 6,000 at times and it still runs with good power thanks to the Ivan tune.

[randog]

Randog I have seen an indicated 122 on the speedo and had a little more if the road hadn't come to a twist. Honestly, really. Not bad for a hulka-monster bagger.
That's very respectable for a bike of this size. Ride safe!

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[Scootergptx]

I have no idea what my top speed in 6th is. Got a stretch of road on the way home from work I can open it up for a bit. Hit 100 a few times still in 5th. If it stayed straight a little longer I might be able to find out.

[notmighty]

Can anyone please tell me where the ECU is located? I'm picking my new bike up later and want to send the ECU out first thing tomorrow. Thanks joe

[Scootergptx]

Take off the seat. You'll see the battery cover. (pictured) Take it off and it's on the left side of the battery.

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/sites/motorcyclecruiser.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/import/page_element_images/1102_crup_03_o%2Bkawasaki_1700_vulcan_vaquero_clos e%2B.jpg?itok=O_V2t5lF

http://kapsphoto.com/Vulcan/ecu.png

[tonik]

Just to clarify the above awesome pic...it is in the battery box, to the left of the battery.

[notmighty]

Take off the seat. You'll see the battery cover. (pictured) Take it off and it's on the left side of the battery.

http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/sites/motorcyclecruiser.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/import/page_element_images/1102_crup_03_o%2Bkawasaki_1700_vulcan_vaquero_clos e%2B.jpg?itok=O_V2t5lF

http://kapsphoto.com/Vulcan/ecu.png
thanks you very much!

[Puckman77]

Had the reflash done at Ivan's shop yesterday since I live a 30 minute drive south of him. I feel bad for those that had to ship their ECU in. As everyone knows, no matter the product you are researching, nothing beats side by side or in this case, back to back comparisons. To ride to his shop in stock form and then leave with the reflash is to immediately be able to compare the difference...I was expecting noticeable improvement from this thread, but WOW!!!!
I also have the RACNRAY throttle mod which is 10000% compatible. I will never know if I would have needed it if I knew about the reflash first, but I don't regret getting it either as it DID improve low speed drivability for a very reasonable price while waiting for Ivan's work to be done on the 2015s.
As many of you have noted, it is like getting a new bike.
Thank you Ivan!

[koga]

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Mileage since the reflash. This is with the chuckster intake and Freedom performance exhaust. I've checked 3 tanks and all have been 41-43.

[Lumberjack]

I feel bad for those who don't have a spare ECU... :wave:

Had the reflash done at Ivan's shop yesterday since I live a 30 minute drive south of him. I feel bad for those that had to ship their ECU in. As everyone knows, no matter the product you are researching, nothing beats side by side or in this case, back to back comparisons. To ride to his shop in stock form and then leave with the reflash is to immediately be able to compare the difference...I was expecting noticeable improvement from this thread, but WOW!!!!
I also have the RACNRAY throttle mod which is 10000% compatible. I will never know if I would have needed it if I knew about the reflash first, but I don't regret getting it either as it DID improve low speed drivability for a very reasonable price while waiting for Ivan's work to be done on the 2015s.
As many of you have noted, it is like getting a new bike.
Thank you Ivan!

[Scootergptx]

I feel bad for those who don't have a spare ECU... :wave:
I got lucky. Went on a 10 day vacation. Sent it off before I left. Got a call from Ivan saying it was ready about 4 days after I left. It was waiting for me when I got home.

Even better, got this slid by the wife and she still doesn't know. :D

[notmighty]

I got lucky. Went on a 10 day vacation. Sent it off before I left. Got a call from Ivan saying it was ready about 4 days after I left. It was waiting for me when I got home.

Even better, got this slid by the wife and she still doesn't know. :D

mine shipped back from Ivan Tuesday when he called he said there is something that has to be done prior to install, I said yeah I know disconnect the o2. But he said there was something else, what is it? :crazy:

I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what it is, I was a little frustrated that he wouldn't take 30seconds to explain it to me but I had already given him my CC info so he was done with my sale LOL. :tup:

[Scootergptx]

Did you get the instruction page with the ECU? I don't recall having to do anything before putting it back in. You do have to unhook the battery. I'd have to check to be sure on which terminal. Someone with a better memory may know that offhand. Install the ECU, hook the battery back up, then turn the key on (don't start it) for a few seconds for the system to recognize the ECU.

[Lumberjack]

Plug it in turn on bike (don't start) and will get error code 98. Turn off wait 10 seconds and unplug battery, wait 10 seconds plug back in.