1700 Vulcan Rear Lowering Link

[Luvernekaw]

Is there any interest in a rear lowering link for all Vulcan 1700's? We developed one and are considering retailing it. Simple bolt on, no modifications. Installation takes about 10 minutes total on a 1700 Vaquero. Use your factory air shocks for a plush ride. Would come with all hardware and instructions to bolt on. Lowers rear end 3/4". Does'nt sound like much but makes a pretty dramatic difference in seat height feel. I have a 30" inseam and the 1700's feel tall to me. With this link I am flat footed. Drop the forks down in the clamps 5/8" and feels even better. Again, Vaquero requires no modification. 1700 Voyager and Nomad use a different saddlebag and the bag support does require modification to clear the different lower shock mount. We can do that as well and ship new modified supports or you can send yours for an additional charge. Retail price will be in the area of $139 plus $10 shipping in the U.S.

P.S. Don't believe what you read about shorter shocks. They make the ride unbearable for your passenger and harsh for the driver as well.

[napom]

Any pics??

[Trrust32]

All

If you want to see how the bike looks when lowered check out my Pics. Same ride and looks cool. Luverekaw used my creation to manufacture these. I have about 15000 miles on mine and no issues. Hope all of you who like the lowered look buy them. The guys at this shop are the most honest and helpful people in our area.

[skullbagger]

yeah I would like to see some pics I'm interested!

[Pitchinguy]

Yup, I'd like to see some pics too. I also might be interested.

[_Brian_]

I'd be interested too. The price seems a little steep though. Most lowering links out on the market are around $50 plus shipping.

[Luvernekaw]

I'd be interested too. The price seems a little steep though. Most lowering links out on the market are around $50 plus shipping.
Not sure what links you are referring to for $50? Can't be comparing apples to apples since there are no other Kawasaki 1700 lowing links on the market.
I have a distributer catalog full of Harley lowering links for $99 up to $150...

[skullbagger]

Not sure what links you are referring to for $50? Can't be comparing apples to apples since there are no other Kawasaki 1700 lowing links on the market.
I have a distributer catalog full of Harley lowering links for $99 up to $150...
Hey if you could post some pics of the link and how it mounts to the bike
exactly that way we could see it and I could tell more if I'm interested and how much does it lower the bike ( concered about draggin hard parts ) as I ride two up mostly
thanks in advance

[RACNRAY]

Is there any interest in a rear lowering link for all Vulcan 1700's? We developed one and are considering retailing it. Simple bolt on, no modifications. Installation takes about 10 minutes total on a 1700 Vaquero. Use your factory air shocks for a plush ride. Would come with all hardware and instructions to bolt on. Lowers rear end 3/4". Does'nt sound like much but makes a pretty dramatic difference in seat height feel. I have a 30" inseam and the 1700's feel tall to me. With this link I am flat footed. Drop the forks down in the clamps 5/8" and feels even better. Again, Vaquero requires no modification. 1700 Voyager and Nomad use a different saddlebag and the bag support does require modification to clear the different lower shock mount. We can do that as well and ship new modified supports or you can send yours for an additional charge. Retail price will be in the area of $139 plus $10 shipping in the U.S.

P.S. Don't believe what you read about shorter shocks. They make the ride unbearable for your passenger and harsh for the driver as well.

I have actually raised the back end of my skoot so I have no interest in lowering. I do have an issue with the statement..."P.S. Don't believe what you read about shorter shocks. They make the ride unbearable for your passenger and harsh for the driver as well." Over 3 different Vulcan forums I am a member of there are of quite a few 1700 owners that have installed Progressive Suspension shorter rear shocks and have nothing but praise for the ride qualities. You statement makes no sense and has no factual proof.

I have been a m/c technician for over 38 years and "lowering links" (which if I remember have been on the market since the 1970's) have been NOTHING but a cheaper alternative to shorter shocks with the ONLY advantage being the $$$ issue.

RACNRAY

[cactusjack]

I'd be interested too. The price seems a little steep though. Most lowering links out on the market are around $50 plus shipping.

Compare the price to a pair of shorter shocks, or go find a set of the $50 links.

[Trrust32]

The links are just like the Harley ones where it moves the shock mounts further back which allows you lower seat height and about 2 inches in the very back of the bike. I have the set that was made first, I ride with no air in my shocks with a passenger and hit a dip you may bottom out when leaning way over. if you have Air in the shocks and a passenger you will not bottom out. The price is not bad since you're not mass producing these things the price of 100 and some dollars is really not that much. Again try finding metric parts for metric cruisers impossible.

[redjay]

Nobody is going to sell enough of these to make much money doing so.
$50 for machined parts is hardly going to cover the cost to buy the material, cut and machine the parts. If you are making 1000's of them, maybe.

If you need/want to do this to your bike the cost of doing so at $139 is not outrageous in my opinion.

[dshelly]

Without seeing a set, how can anyone say they are overpriced. Most guys have no idea what it takes to design and manufacture aftermarket parts. I've done plenty and It's not cheap.

[Trrust32]

The kit I started with and totally hacked up was the Paughco Bagger-Werx Adjustable Rear kit that was about $50.00 but it no longer looks the same and no way resembles what has been made by these guys. I also had to make shims and all kinds of other adjust to to make it work. Others on this site previously asked how I lowered
the bike for the cool stance. And they are just making an DIY kit for anyone.

[Luvernekaw]

OK guys here's the skinny. I'm a plain, direct guy so please take this as such. I'm not trying to offend anyone or stick my middle finger in any eyes or start an internet firestorm...

1. We're not going to get rich selling these links.
2. If you don't want to lower your seat height for $149 then don't buy them. See #1.
3. We've not posted pictures because it would be easy for someone with a brain, a plasma cutter and a welder to copy them. We are still weighing the pros and cons of this decision because we like to see pictures before we buy off the internet too...
3. As to another expert poster, I make the assertion that the shorter shocks are too harsh based on my personal butt feeling Progressive 430 series shorter shocks. I've only got 23 years as a hands on Kawasaki dealership owner and 40 years riding and racing experience so I may not be the ultimate expert on this or any other forum. I happen to think Progressive has excellent products, just not this particular application. Anyone else can post whatever opinion they desire, this is America.

To the guys who have ordered so far, Thank you.
If you're thinking you'd like to lower your seat height and don't want to spend $400-500 and lose your air shocks, give us a try.
Thank you
Rick
Luverne Kawasaki
Luvernekaw@iw.net

[ponch]

Wow. This seems to be a replay of the quick throttle deal with Racnray. At least he learned. :wtf: Where's Brad when we need him?

[Peg]

I'm with Rick and Dave... It's not expensive compared to a new set of shorter aftermarket shocks - and why shouldn't Rick keep his design to himself to protect the intellectual property?

What might help though Rick is a better photo of the new stance of the bike with your kit fitted & hidden behind the bags? Trrust32's endorsement / review is good, but his avatar is small, and I don't see that he has any pic's in his profile either.

[RACNRAY]

Wow. This seems to be a replay of the quick throttle deal with Racnray. At least he learned. :wtf: Where's Brad when we need him?

What I learned is that no matter what, some people will never be satisfied with whatever they put there sights on, and that is all I learned. Of course I already knew that havin lived a few years, and havin been married too!!!

No one "taught" me a lesson here, or the previous site this came from. I was just reminded.

RACNRAY

[ponch]

What I learned is that no matter what, some people will never be satisfied with whatever they put there sights on, and that is all I learned. Of course I already knew that havin lived a few years, and havin been married too!!!

No one "taught" me a lesson here, or the previous site this came from. I was just reminded.

RACNRAY

Well, you also showed your work, even if you were reluctant for similar reasons. We went through this already and Brad had the best retort. It applies here as well. That's said, I never said anyone taught you a lesson, but you did learn one.

[Trrust32]

All if you are looking for the stance please go to my photo album and look at all albums. I will try and get the pic in this string.

[Trrust32]

http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=661&pictureid=2210

[Luvernekaw]

I've already seen the bike and I love it. Looks like the garage is as nice as the bike!

[napom]

Nice looking scoot - but to really see how this thing works we'd need to see it with stock wheels . . . Your ass does look lower, but is that because of the lowering link, or because of the oversized front wheel . . .

Looks real nice though!

[skullbagger]

Nice looking scoot - but to really see how this thing works we'd need to see it with stock wheels . . . Your ass does look lower, but is that because of the lowering link, or because of the oversized front wheel . . .

Looks real nice though!

I agree I would like to see a part on a bench so I can visualize for my self how its going to work ( like women they all look good, but they all have diferent attitudes and personalities)

[Trrust32]

http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=661&pictureid=2773

[Trrust32]

Guys think about it I told you the kit I started with and they just made a clean and safe version. Just buy them.

[Trrust32]

http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=661&pictureid=2774

[Trrust32]

http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=661&pictureid=2772[/url]

[rick6375]

If this is what I'm thinking it is, my daughters boyfriend has this, a version of it anyway, on his Harley along with shorter shocks to lower his bike about 4". He is really height challenged, it moves his shock reward at the bottom to make it lower.

[Trrust32]

You are correct...Simple DIY kit..

[p2heike]

So how do I get my hands on one of these brackets to give it a try? I have a 2012 Vaquero with progressive suspension shocks and still would like to lower it a bit more.

[Trrust32]

Private message Rick off his original post..

[Luvernekaw]

I don't check this forum daily. Best way is to contact me directly either by phone or email.
Luvernekaw@iw.net or 507-283-180zero.

You will receive all hardware needed to bolt on and step by step instructions.

We accept credit card over the phone, paypal or personal check. Sorry in advance, personal check will have to clear before we ship links.
Thanks
Rick

[sho_greg]

There may be a guy willing to jump in and make some.... I used to sell sets on ebay for him... He made lowering links for the Suzuki Volusia market. 1 1/2"-4" drop. He also made forward controls for them... back in 2003ish- around $50...

[Trrust32]

The lowering links for the Suzuki are not even testament consept for $50. These are not Just a flat link system.

[talon]

I just got my links in the other day and will post pictures after install. I will post review after the ride.

[_Brian_]

I just got my links in the other day and will post pictures after install. I will post review after the ride.

Did you happen to get a chance to try out the links yet and any pics? Thanks!!

[Vulcanrider03]

Drop the forks down in the clamps 5/8" in this 1st post I read ,,,,how do u do that ?

[Luvernekaw]

Simply loosen the fork clamps and slide the fork tubes up in the clamps 5\8" and re torque bolts.

[Peg]

Simply loosen the fork clamps and slide the fork tubes up in the clamps 5\8" and re torque bolts.

On your Voyager you'll have to remove each fork entirely first - to move the collar that holds the chrome fork in place down the tube 5/8". The measurement will be critical, since you don't want to end up with one side riding higher or lower than the other.

[talon]

Sorry guys, have had several things comeup and haven't had opportunity to install yet. Hope to get that done either this weekend or next. Again, I will post before and after pics with a ride review.

[talon]

Well folks, I got the links installed today and am very happy with them. Luverne Kawasaki sends good instructions and everything needed to install. You get to keep the stock air shocks and it seems to lower the rear abut an inch. Very happy about it and am looking forward to a longer ride. Winter storm headed this way right now so looks like it will be a couple weeks. Oh well. I will give a more thorough review after that.
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[bikereff]

Great Thanks goes out to Luverne Kawasaki. Easy install. Got about 3/4" drop out of it. With the seat modification, my total seat drop was 1 1/2".

[JSOhio]

Put my set on two weeks ago, 2011 Voyager. For sure comfortable being down a good 3/4", I have taken the bike out twice for 75 mile rides once alone the other time with the wife. Noticed immediately I had to give to get. Got closer to the ground but gave up a smooth ride. Hit any 1, 2 inch pot holes or slight road impressions an I am bottoming out on the shocks. Could be the shocks are shot? Has anyone else completed a good road test.

[bikereff]

Took mine out for 30-35 miles. Hit a few bumps and such. Didn't notice any bottom out. Stopped and added 10 psi to the shocks. No change. Still have to ride 2 up to see if there is a difference in that.

[Luvernekaw]

JSOhio, Have you tried adjusting your air pressure? This is the very first complaint we've heard. Try adding some pressure. If you have little or no pressure in the shocks you could be dropping through the stroke too easily. Standard air pressure should be around 15 psi. Do not exceed 43 psi or you can damage the shock. You'll need a Progressive hand pump to do this. Never use an air hose! Gauge mounted hand pumps are available through us for $49.95

If anyone else has any questions or would like to order a set please call me direct or email Luvernekaw@iw.net. I don't check this site everyday.
Luverne Kawasaki
101 W. Maple
Luverne MN. 56156
507-283-1800
Thanks

[JSOhio]

Rick, First ride I had 18lbs, when I took if out with the wife I increased it to 30lbs thinking it would help. Still same results. When my son stops by in the next few weeks I'm going to have him take a look while with both are sitting on the bike. Could be some else? Over all still enjoy the foot planted on the ground with rolling to a stop.:tup:

[Luvernekaw]

Rick, First ride I had 18lbs, when I took if out with the wife I increased it to 30lbs thinking it would help. Still same results. When my son stops by in the next few weeks I'm going to have him take a look while with both are sitting on the bike. Could be some else? Over all still enjoy the foot planted on the ground with rolling to a stop

Keep me posted and let me know if I can help. You can reach me direct at the number above.

[ponch]

Can the dampening be changed?

[Luvernekaw]

Thanks to a steady increase in demand for these links we've upgraded from cutting them out with a plasma cutter to now professionally laser cut. Also upgraded from enamel paint to black powder coated. Overall quality and consistency are now up to a higher professional level. As of today they are also listed on Ebay . You're more than welcome to continue to call and order direct as well. If you've already ordered a set, thank you. If you haven't, now's a good time to pull the trigger, you won't regret it. They're in stock and ready to ship.

Thank you
Rick
Luverne Kawasaki
507-283-1800

[talon]

Rick, here's an update. just got back from a 1600 mile trip and had no issues. Rode the Devil's Backbone in Texas and did not hit floorboards either. Love the new stance of bike and of my stance at a stop. Just letting you know. I'm glad to hear others are ordering them.

Thanks.

As for JSOhio, sorry you are having issues. I haven't experienced any myself. Check the pre-load level if you have plenty of air. Maybe it is set on I.

[talon]

Can the dampening be changed?

Yes, there are 3 settings I think. Maybe 4, but don't remember for certain.

[Luvernekaw]

Guys please don't miss the part in the first post about the Voyager and Nomad. If you don't modify the saddlebag support bracket it will bottom out against the shock.
Vaquero and Classic are a simple bolt on with no modification.
Voyager and Nomad install the exact same way but bag support must be modified.
Thanks
Rick

[JSOhio]

Rick, Glad to see you posted an update. Unfortunately Customers who purchase the Lowering Kit from you do not Read the Instructions off the Internet. I sent you all the pictures of my problem Monday, I just returned home tonight. I read the instructions you sent with the kit, NO WHERE does it mention a Voyager needs to cut the brackets and reroute them. When I purchase a product I TRUSTED the Instructions were 100% complete, Yours are NOT. But yet you told me I should take Responsibility also? FOR What ? I did not Design this product nor did I send out Instructions that were NOT Accurate. But I'm suppose to be Responsible for YOUR Screw up. I have a set of shocks that are Damaged and saddle bag that has a crack. You would not even listen when I asked you to rewrite the Instructions if they are incorrect, and they are! As I already Stated Customers do not get their Instructions off this site. They receive them in the mail from YOU. Sir you are the one who is responsible not the Customer. They only constructive advise for you would be to take a few Customer Relations classes some where.8772

8773 your quote "I can't buy you new shocks" Rick I did not even ask you to! Very Dissatisfied Customer!!!!

[HwyRider]

Wow. That damage sucks.

[ponch]

That's why liability has to be considered with product development.

[Luvernekaw]

I will answer JSOHIO one time on this or any other forum. I have neither the time nor the desire to enter into an internet argument. This is soley for the other members of this forum to hear both sides after his post.
First thing I want to point out regarding the pictures he posted. One of the pictures show a small dent in the chrome around the bottom of the shock. That is the damage. The other picture is where he cut the support prior to welding it back together which is the modification that must be done. This is not the damage done by riding the bike. Apparently the actual damage was not severe enough to gather sufficient internet sympathy so he felt the need to mislead this forums members.
John emailed pictures of the shocks along with his complaint. At the end of this statement is a copy/paste of this exchange. After the email he called to further relay his dissatisfaction. I again thought I spoke to him diplomatically and courteously. I attempted to relay that I wasn't 100% certain the instruction sheet clearly stated this mod must be done to the Voyager and Nomad on the earliest shipments we sent or not. I'm currently waiting to hear back from a few others to confirm if this was the case. If not, clearly that is our fault. I went on to say as the mechanic he had to assume some responsibility as well. The Voyager is the first bike we installed these on and identified this problem in the first couple of seconds. I didn't say this but it is very obvious if you're paying attention. Plus he continued to ride the bike and even had a passenger on when he knew there was some problem. This had to result in an instant metal to metal bottoming sensation. Perhaps even a bang noise when it hit. Eventually I lost the ability to keep the conversation from going downhill and we were both angry when we hung up.
As to my customer service skills. I've been complimented many times over my 23 years in this business for the ability to remain calm so that a resolution can be found. It's rare I have a situation like this that doesn't end with at least a sense of fairness. I'm sorry this is one that probably will not be.
In closing I will address Mr. Steen. If you'd like to remove the kit and return it to me I'll refund 100% of your money including the return freight.
Thank you and sorry to waste your time with this.

E-mail conversation:
John,
I'm sincerely sorry this has happened to you but glad you caught it before any serious damage took place. I copy/pasted the first post from Vulcan Bagger Forums I made on these links back in Nov. 2014. I had thought I was making this clear on a couple of different posts but again, I apologize if I didn't make it clear to you. The Voyager is the first bike we made these links for and saw this problem right away. Our goal is !00% satisfaction. The instructions on all links being sent do state this mod needs to happen. Again, if you bought an early set that didn't clearly state this, I apologize. I'll go back and repeat this again on the forum so that hopefully it will never happen again. I would personally appreciate it if you would'nt try to crucify us on the net. It's very hard to build a positive reputation and easy for one person to destroy it. Have you had a chance to ride the bike with this cleaned up yet? I'll bet you're going to like it much better.
Thank you
Rick



Jr. Member


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Luverne MN.
Posts: 11 1700 Vulcan Rear Lowering Link

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Is there any interest in a rear lowering link for all Vulcan 1700's? We developed one and are considering retailing it. Simple bolt on, no modifications. Installation takes about 10 minutes total on a 1700 Vaquero. Use your factory air shocks for a plush ride. Would come with all hardware and instructions to bolt on. Lowers rear end 3/4". Does'nt sound like much but makes a pretty dramatic difference in seat height feel. I have a 30" inseam and the 1700's feel tall to me. With this link I am flat footed. Drop the forks down in the clamps 5/8" and feels even better. Again, Vaquero requires no modification. 1700 Voyager and Nomad use a different saddlebag and the bag support does require modification to clear the different lower shock mount. We can do that as well and ship new modified supports or you can send yours for an additional charge. Retail price will be in the area of $139 plus $10 shipping in the U.S.

P.S. Don't believe what you read about shorter shocks. They make the ride unbearable for your passenger and harsh for the driver as well.



Rick Reed
Luverne Kawasaki
101 W. Maple St.
Luverne MN. 56156
507-283-1800
Luvernekawasaki.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steen, John
To: Luvernekaw@iw.net
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 8:04 PM
Subject: Lowering Brackets Voyager




Rick, Here is the problem with the brackets being put on a Voyager.

Reading the VBA apparently all the other riders are putting these on Vaquero,

I am assuming the Vaquero saddle bag brackets are not the same design as the Voyager since

no one has had a problem with them.



I must have been the first person to have put these on a Voyager because it was very evident from the beginning

something was wrong. It felt like I bottomed out on small bumps and also the rough ride.



I’m just glad I did not ride to on long like this before digging into what the problem was.

Unfortunately now both shocks have a good crease.



Now the ride is Normal but not really pleased I had to figure this out on my own.



I did not realize the camera was set at 5 meg I’ll have to send another e-mail or two with more pictures.





Thanks John

[ponch]

I will answer JSOHIO one time on this or any other forum. I have neither the time nor the desire to enter into an internet argument. This is soley for the other members of this forum to hear both sides after his post.
First thing I want to point out regarding the pictures he posted. One of the pictures show a small dent in the chrome around the bottom of the shock. That is the damage. The other picture is where he cut the support prior to welding it back together which is the modification that must be done. This is not the damage done by riding the bike. Apparently the actual damage was not severe enough to gather sufficient internet sympathy so he felt the need to mislead this forums members.
John emailed pictures of the shocks along with his complaint. At the end of this statement is a copy/paste of this exchange. After the email he called to further relay his dissatisfaction. I again thought I spoke to him diplomatically and courteously. I attempted to relay that I wasn't 100% certain the instruction sheet clearly stated this mod must be done to the Voyager and Nomad on the earliest shipments we sent or not. I'm currently waiting to hear back from a few others to confirm if this was the case. If not, clearly that is our fault. I went on to say as the mechanic he had to assume some responsibility as well. The Voyager is the first bike we installed these on and identified this problem in the first couple of seconds. I didn't say this but it is very obvious if you're paying attention. Plus he continued to ride the bike and even had a passenger on when he knew there was some problem. This had to result in an instant metal to metal bottoming sensation. Perhaps even a bang noise when it hit. Eventually I lost the ability to keep the conversation from going downhill and we were both angry when we hung up.
As to my customer service skills. I've been complimented many times over my 23 years in this business for the ability to remain calm so that a resolution can be found. It's rare I have a situation like this that doesn't end with at least a sense of fairness. I'm sorry this is one that probably will not be.
In closing I will address Mr. Steen. If you'd like to remove the kit and return it to me I'll refund 100% of your money including the return freight.
Thank you and sorry to waste your time with this.

E-mail conversation:
John,
I'm sincerely sorry this has happened to you but glad you caught it before any serious damage took place. I copy/pasted the first post from Vulcan Bagger Forums I made on these links back in Nov. 2014. I had thought I was making this clear on a couple of different posts but again, I apologize if I didn't make it clear to you. The Voyager is the first bike we made these links for and saw this problem right away. Our goal is !00% satisfaction. The instructions on all links being sent do state this mod needs to happen. Again, if you bought an early set that didn't clearly state this, I apologize. I'll go back and repeat this again on the forum so that hopefully it will never happen again. I would personally appreciate it if you would'nt try to crucify us on the net. It's very hard to build a positive reputation and easy for one person to destroy it. Have you had a chance to ride the bike with this cleaned up yet? I'll bet you're going to like it much better.
Thank you
Rick



Jr. Member


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Luverne MN.
Posts: 11 1700 Vulcan Rear Lowering Link

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there any interest in a rear lowering link for all Vulcan 1700's? We developed one and are considering retailing it. Simple bolt on, no modifications. Installation takes about 10 minutes total on a 1700 Vaquero. Use your factory air shocks for a plush ride. Would come with all hardware and instructions to bolt on. Lowers rear end 3/4". Does'nt sound like much but makes a pretty dramatic difference in seat height feel. I have a 30" inseam and the 1700's feel tall to me. With this link I am flat footed. Drop the forks down in the clamps 5/8" and feels even better. Again, Vaquero requires no modification. 1700 Voyager and Nomad use a different saddlebag and the bag support does require modification to clear the different lower shock mount. We can do that as well and ship new modified supports or you can send yours for an additional charge. Retail price will be in the area of $139 plus $10 shipping in the U.S.

P.S. Don't believe what you read about shorter shocks. They make the ride unbearable for your passenger and harsh for the driver as well.



Rick Reed
Luverne Kawasaki
101 W. Maple St.
Luverne MN. 56156
507-283-1800
Luvernekawasaki.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steen, John
To: Luvernekaw@iw.net
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 8:04 PM
Subject: Lowering Brackets Voyager




Rick, Here is the problem with the brackets being put on a Voyager.

Reading the VBA apparently all the other riders are putting these on Vaquero,

I am assuming the Vaquero saddle bag brackets are not the same design as the Voyager since

no one has had a problem with them.



I must have been the first person to have put these on a Voyager because it was very evident from the beginning

something was wrong. It felt like I bottomed out on small bumps and also the rough ride.



I’m just glad I did not ride to on long like this before digging into what the problem was.

Unfortunately now both shocks have a good crease.



Now the ride is Normal but not really pleased I had to figure this out on my own.



I did not realize the camera was set at 5 meg I’ll have to send another e-mail or two with more pictures.





Thanks John

It's not an argument, but true. When you sell a product, you have to consider liability because some people will be ignorant at best, idiots at worst. Just the way it is. Part of it is communicating effectively in such a way that CYA is achieved. I supposed there will always be some idiot that doesn't get it, but with something where someone could screw up their bike buy not installing something right, it has to be considered if there is consideration, meaning if money exchanges for a product.

[HwyRider]

Who in their right mind would cut their support brackets on a new bike to install this? You would be adding an additional 237.00 to replace the bracket if you decided to remove the kit.

[Peg]

Who in their right mind would cut their support brackets on a new bike to install this? You would be adding an additional 237.00 to replace the bracket if you decided to remove the kit.

I wouldn't think you'd need to change the brackets back?

And my 2c... I remember when this topic first came up, and when Rick first developed the kit. His warnings (on more than just this forum) that the Voyager support brackets would require modification were very loud, and very clear.

[Luvernekaw]

Who in their right mind would cut their support brackets on a new bike to install this? You would be adding an additional 237.00 to replace the bracket if you decided to remove the kit.

Wouldn't need to spend a penny. If you ever wanted to remove the link you would simply remove the link and leave the bag support alone. All you're doing is rotating the front of the support a little further to the rear, doesn't hurt a thing.

[ponch]

I wouldn't think you'd need to change the brackets back?

And my 2c... I remember when this topic first came up, and when Rick first developed the kit. His warnings (on more than just this forum) that the Voyager support brackets would require modification were very loud, and very clear.

Obviously some people are deaf. I wonder if warnings are affixed to the packaging the parts are shipped in?

[Trrust32]

All we are guys would we read the instructions or looked at the pictures..with these bikes be in mass produced even the Bags on the vaquero could rub if the brackets are not perfect from the factory. And really the tiny dent on the shock that you never Going to see does it matter

[Trrust32]

Obviously read the post only place they been advertised is on the forum

[ponch]

All we are guys would we read the instructions or looked at the pictures..with these bikes be in mass produced even the Bags on the vaquero could rub if the brackets are not perfect from the factory. And really the tiny dent on the shock that you never Going to see does it matter

People are unpredictable and stupidity has no limits.

[Trrust32]

Really have you ever read any of your post ponch.. Expert at everything I can tell

[HwyRider]

And really the tiny dent on the shock that you never Going to see does it matter

To me it would and I wouldn't start cutting brackets on my bike for any add on. That's just me. If someone wants to start cutting their bike up more power to them.

[ponch]

Really have you ever read any of your post ponch.. Expert at everything I can tell

Just logical.

[Trrust32]

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[ponch]

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Let me fix that for you:

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Do t u have a bmw fourm... Since they have 40% issues to manage.. You are one of the reasons no one tries to make metric parts...
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That makes no fucking sense.

I've had issues with my bike for sure. I've admitted it and will call a spade a spade. No bike religion preached by me. That said, the bike works very well. I'd advise to take a test ride on one. BMW actually has demo bikes and lets people try them out and not for a 4 mile ride either.

[Luvernekaw]

Guys lets all shake hands and play nice. If you don't want or need to lower your seat height then don't buy any. Lets not try to ruin it for the guys that need to get their butt closer to the ground. I truly believe we have a great product here that is needed by many or we wouldn't have taken Trrust32's idea and refined it. We're just trying to earn a living here doing what we all love. As I stated in an earlier post, we're not going to get rich selling these and I don't want to see this turn into a s#!t storm. (At least no more than it already has).
Thank you.
Rick

[HwyRider]

If that's the case stop sending PMs asking us not to comment on the product.

[rick6375]

When I buy something for the bike, house or whatever, if I see its not going together the way I think it should, I'll look at the instructions to see if I did something wrong 1st. If that checks out, I check to see if its the right part number if that applies. If all looks right, then I contact the place it was bought to get a solution or a refund.

[Trrust32]

Guys sorry I'm so passionate about this, obviously I had something to do with the creation of them.. It just irritates me that somebody's making something for metric bikes, he is not making tons of money on them, and he has sold very few of them... things are going to happen, issues are going to arise but we all have to be somewhat accountable for everything that we do our bikes... I'm just glad that Rick is tring to make these and making something for metric bikes so I apologize for ranting.

[ponch]

When I buy something for the bike, house or whatever, if I see its not going together the way I think it should, I'll look at the instructions to see if I did something wrong 1st. If that checks out, I check to see if its the right part number if that applies. If all looks right, then I contact the place it was bought to get a solution or a refund.

The difference is that the problem won't surface until the suspension is compressed, meaning the bike is ridden.

[wideopen]

Just got my kit from Rick.Installed it(after reading instructions 3 times) with no problem.Went out on some back mountain roads, where the intersections lean in three directions at once. LOVE havin' both feet on the ground with my knees bent on my Vaquero. Not quite as low as my VTX but a lot better than it was. Thanks Rick for talkin' to me and sending it out so quick. Got any more stuff for my bikes? Gotta go ride some more. Rain has stopped.

[skullbagger]

as I get very interested in this kit, so my feet sit flat on the ground.
I'm glad that others are coming forth with good reports. kudos go out to Rick and all his hard work in developing this awesome!

[JSOhio]

These Lower Kits for a Vaquero are YES a bolt on Item as Ricks Original Nov 2014 Post states BUT the Voyager the Brackets MUST be modified as Rick stated.
Lets be honest.
Unfortunately the Instructions Rick sent me did not have any mention of the Critical detail.
To make it work you have to send the brackets to Rick, or do it yourself as I have done.
You don't Modify the Brackets unless you want to keep the product, real simple.
I needed the bike lowered 3/4"
Now the only solution to the Incorrect Instructions being sent to me is I will have to swap the left side shock to the right in order to hide the mess.

The bottom of the bracket picture is what was hitting the shock causing the mess, not from my 2 cuts to remove each bracket.
For the Vaquero's it is bolt on product.
Voyager owners, you had better modify the brackets First. Maybe the Instructions can have this Minor Detail added to keep other Voyager Owners from this issue.

Not looking for any to agree with me Period.

Rick look in the mirror, admit you made a simple honest mistake.
We all do.

Just agree to rewrite your instructions to add Voyagers owns must make bracket modification first.

Is that really a Big Deal ?

Best of Luck.:tup:

[Luvernekaw]

As previously stated, I will not respond further to JSOhio. Not because I can't but because I won't.

[CaptKurt]

I got the kit and got it installed by the local Kawi dealer. Easy install, I think that R&R of the saddlebags was the most difficult part :P

I do notice the height difference, but its not as dramatic as I was hoping for, but still noticeable. If the seat I have coming drops me another 1/2" it will be perfect.

I have the Vaquero, so it was straight bolt on...no modifications needed. The instructions seemed very clear and complete and the hardware provided was top notch.

I feel no difference in handling, which was my biggest concern. Should be good to go once my V&H exhaust comes in.

[old dog]

I took the time to ride down to Laverne and had Rick install the lowering kit and lower the front. Thats what I was looking for. Nice fit. I had never met Rick before Have nothing but GOOD to say. It's 385 mi. from home so I had plenty of time to test on the way home. Hwy.75 sucks so the first 25 were A good test. Towing A trailer never bottomed once. Could not be Happier. IF you are ever close by stop and say hi you will be glad you did.

[Kawasakieric]

Just a word of WARNING on dropping the front end 5/8". If you are still running the OEM brake lines and bottom out the front suspension the brake hose junction block will hit your fender causing damage to the fender. I don't have the above lowering kit but dropped my front suspension 5/8" when I installed my 21" front wheel and found out the hard way it hits. I now installed stainless lines without the junction block to keep fender fron touching.

[ray2]

I took the time to ride down to Laverne and had Rick install the lowering kit and lower the front. Thats what I was looking for. Nice fit. I had never met Rick before Have nothing but GOOD to say. It's 385 mi. from home so I had plenty of time to test on the way home. Hwy.75 sucks so the first 25 were A good test. Towing A trailer never bottomed once. Could not be Happier. IF you are ever close by stop and say hi you will be glad you did.

Went with Old Dog to Laverne to get his bike lowered Front and Back. Did not ride Old Dogs bike but sat on it before and after and there is a real change. with My 29&1/2"inseam I can sit flat footed with bend in my knee. Following Old dog I could see the suspension working like it should and did not bottom out. Like Old Dog said Hwy 75 sucks in that area. After leaving the campground with trailers on, also had no problem. Was Nice to meet Rick and Mike.

[JSOhio]

Sell them on E-Bay :ohno:

[JSOhio]

Sell Them on E-Bay so Customers all your Customer Comments won't be Buried.:ohno:

[Trrust32]

They are on eBay Look at this on eBay:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271827039885

Kawasaki VN 1700 Rear Suspension Lowering Link

[Luvernekaw]

Thanks for the kind comments Old Dog and Ray2. It was nice meeting you guys too. You're what being a "biker" is all about. Obviously out enjoying life while on two wheels. 2 thumbs up!
In response to Kawasakieric, We've heard you state you bottomed the front after lowering the forks 5/8" with a 21" front wheel. We carefully measured with the stock front wheel but we've decided to make 1/2" our standard lowering in the front even with the stock wheel for safety sake, starting with Old Dogs Vaquero. Front fenders are expensive, an 1/8" is not...
Still selling the lowering links with OVERWHELMING positive response. Let me know if you'd like to try a set.
Ride safe.
Rick
507-283-1800

[skullbagger]

Thanks for the kind comments Old Dog and Ray2. It was nice meeting you guys too. You're what being a "biker" is all about. Obviously out enjoying life while on two wheels. 2 thumbs up!
In response to Kawasakieric, We've heard you state you bottomed the front after lowering the forks 5/8" with a 21" front wheel. We carefully measured with the stock front wheel but we've decided to make 1/2" our standard lowering in the front even with the stock wheel for safety sake, starting with Old Dogs Vaquero. Front fenders are expensive, an 1/8" is not...
Still selling the lowering links with OVERWHELMING positive response. Let me know if you'd like to try a set.
Ride safe.
Rick
507-283-1800

Rick,
so suppose I don't have a big 21" wheel or do the forks up front whats the harm or how would that affect my ride, 1/2" will it make that big of a change, degree's wise .5 I guess?

[Luvernekaw]

Rick,
so suppose I don't have a big 21" wheel or do the forks up front whats the harm or how would that affect my ride, 1/2" will it make that big of a change, degree's wise .5 I guess?

We've seen no harm or negative effects whatsoever in lowering the front forks along with the lowering links. Handling is unchanged. That being said, if you're a knee dragger and like to really charge the corners, lowering the bike in any fashion will make it easier to drag floorboard feelers. I've had zero complaints of scraping though. So is it as dramatic a difference as the lowering links alone, no. Is it worth doing, yes. I would call it "icing on the cake" The average guy with a 30" (ish) inseam will really like the additional lowering. Shorter than that, you NEED to drop the forks.
If anyone has any other questions please feel free to call us direct at 507-283-1800.

[BlueStreak07]

I purchased the Luverne Kawasaki Lowering Links 3 weeks ago and installed them myself. The install wasn’t an issue other than being one thick washer short, something the local Home Depot hardware dept. was able to solve. However there was an issue with my saddle bag brackets. With the Nomad the brackets need to be sent to Rick’s shop to be modified do to the angle change of the rear shocks. The mounting holes didn’t line up as they should have and I had to use clamps and pry bars to get them where they needed to be in order to insert the mounting bolts and secure them. Definitely a concern and a bit frustrating as getting the brackets back on took longer than it should have.
Pros and Cons.
Pro: After putting over 500 mile on with the lowering links I do like the ride, handling of the bike and most importantly being able to put my feet flat on the ground when at a stop. I’ve ridden by myself, with the wife and loaded down for a trip to the beach and no problems with bottoming out or with handling.
Cons: 1) As stated above, the alignment issue with the saddlebag brackets. I did have a conversation with Rick and Mike about my trouble getting the brackets on and made some suggestions. 2) The overall cost. For me the cost was something I had to struggle with. With the Nomad not only do you have the cost of the lowering links but you also have the cost of modifying the saddlebag brackets and shipping both ways. But, after having the bike for over 3 years and dealing with the problem of not being able to sit at a stop flat footed, I opted to bite the bullet and accepted the cost.
All in all, in the long run I’m satisfied. Barring any unforeseen circumstances in the future I think I’m going to look back on this purchase as a good one. Hope this helps anyone out there that has been on the fence as to whether to take the plunge or not.

[JD Hog]

Rick

Do you have to weld the brace back on after cutting it?

If so would it be possible for you to fabricate a bolt on type of modification that would allow the customer to just cut and bolt on?

You could offer that as an option to the Voyager customers.

[Luvernekaw]

I purchased the Luverne Kawasaki Lowering Links 3 weeks ago and installed them myself. The install wasn’t an issue other than being one thick washer short, something the local Home Depot hardware dept. was able to solve. However there was an issue with my saddle bag brackets. With the Nomad the brackets need to be sent to Rick’s shop to be modified do to the angle change of the rear shocks. The mounting holes didn’t line up as they should have and I had to use clamps and pry bars to get them where they needed to be in order to insert the mounting bolts and secure them. Definitely a concern and a bit frustrating as getting the brackets back on took longer than it should have.
Pros and Cons.
Pro: After putting over 500 mile on with the lowering links I do like the ride, handling of the bike and most importantly being able to put my feet flat on the ground when at a stop. I’ve ridden by myself, with the wife and loaded down for a trip to the beach and no problems with bottoming out or with handling.
Cons: 1) As stated above, the alignment issue with the saddlebag brackets. I did have a conversation with Rick and Mike about my trouble getting the brackets on and made some suggestions. 2) The overall cost. For me the cost was something I had to struggle with. With the Nomad not only do you have the cost of the lowering links but you also have the cost of modifying the saddlebag brackets and shipping both ways. But, after having the bike for over 3 years and dealing with the problem of not being able to sit at a stop flat footed, I opted to bite the bullet and accepted the cost.
All in all, in the long run I’m satisfied. Barring any unforeseen circumstances in the future I think I’m going to look back on this purchase as a good one. Hope this helps anyone out there that has been on the fence as to whether to take the plunge or not.

Just a quick note to clarify:
We did screw up and shorted this customer one washer. We added one washer to the kit with our redesign and forgot to add it to the kit. This has been corrected.
The mounting holes mentioned are the factory mounting holes. They are on the bag support from the factory and are unchanged with our modification. They are sometimes difficult to get lined up on a stock, unmodified support. If you have one off, be sure to start all the bolts before tightening any. The only thing modified is the front portion of the bar that actually bolts the bag to the support. No bolt holes or tabs are moved or changed.
Thanks
Rick

[Luvernekaw]

Rick

Do you have to weld the brace back on after cutting it?

If so would it be possible for you to fabricate a bolt on type of modification that would allow the customer to just cut and bolt on?

You could offer that as an option to the Voyager customers.

Unfortunately we don't have any plans at this time to make a bolt on bag support modification. In our opinion this is something that should be welded and we believe it is as easy as we can make it already. For those who don't weld, it is an EASY operation for any welding shop. Take your supports and our instructions and they'll easily complete them for you.
Any questions, please call or email
Thanks
Rick
507-283-1800

[Kaneld]

I just put the links on tonight and they perform just like every post I have read. It lowered the bikes rear about 3/4", my feet are now flat on the ground, no change in how the bike handles and nothing is scraping.

We took alot of photos to show the process. It took about 2 hours total time and here is why. I dont wrench every day so this was new territory to me. Took it to a friend who is pretty well experienced. Put it on his lift and I started the work. He just supervised (which I appreciated). I was told by Rick, the manufacturer, to follow the directions exactly. So I did. Every step I read, re-read, dry fit, re-re-read again and then verify what I read was actually what I had just read for the forth time, move to the next step repeating the same process as the previous step of re-reading everything. All in all it is any easy install, maybe Im just difficult. The only thing that could have made this installation easier would have been pictures with the instructions. I will post the pics I have later once I can put them on my computer and attach notes with arrows to the details.

All in all worth the money I paid.

[skullbagger]

I just put the links on tonight and they perform just like every post I have read. It lowered the bikes rear about 3/4", my feet are now flat on the ground, no change in how the bike handles and nothing is scraping.

We took alot of photos to show the process. It took about 2 hours total time and here is why. I dont wrench every day so this was new territory to me. Took it to a friend who is pretty well experienced. Put it on his lift and I started the work. He just supervised (which I appreciated). I was told by Rick, the manufacturer, to follow the directions exactly. So I did. Every step I read, re-read, dry fit, re-re-read again and then verify what I read was actually what I had just read for the forth time, move to the next step repeating the same process as the previous step of re-reading everything. All in all it is any easy install, maybe Im just difficult. The only thing that could have made this installation easier would have been pictures with the instructions. I will post the pics I have later once I can put them on my computer and attach notes with arrows to the details.

All in all worth the money I paid.

Pics are worth a thousand words, I would love to see'm once you get them loaded

[Kaneld]

Update: I had 15lbs of air in the shocks as a recommended starting point and had a passenger while riding a mountain pass. The pipes were scraping a bit as I leaned the bike pretty far. I put 40lbs in each and that helped quite a bit. Yes, I can still scrap the pipes in a hard lean but lets face it, the ass end is 3/4" lower and I was leaning it pretty hard. Still no regrets in putting in the drop links.

[Luvernekaw]

Update: I had 15lbs of air in the shocks as a recommended starting point and had a passenger while riding a mountain pass. The pipes were scraping a bit as I leaned the bike pretty far. I put 40lbs in each and that helped quite a bit. Yes, I can still scrap the pipes in a hard lean but lets face it, the ass end is 3/4" lower and I was leaning it pretty hard. Still no regrets in putting in the drop links.

What kind of pipes do you have installed?
I'm just curious if some exhaust systems are better or worse than others. I haven't heard of more than a couple of guys who've scraped in corners. I just rode out to the Colorado Springs area then up to Sturgis with a new 2015 Vaquero. No passenger but full saddlebags. A couple of times I was ready for something to scrape but it never did. Disclaimer; When I really want to do some knee dragging I ride one of my 4 ZRX's.
Mods to the bike were; Freedom Performance full dual exhaust, Power Commander V, Luverne Kawasaki Lowering Links, 300 watt Punch amp, Infinity speakers and the forks lowered 1/2" in the clamps.

[sharkboogie134]

I'd love to see a picture of a lowered vaquero via these lowering links mentioned.

[Trrust32]

Here is where it all started...
http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36551

[Trrust32]

Also check page two of this post..

[johninwny]

I should have asked before I bought the lowering kit for the rear end, that said...


Ok I have a couple of questions. I am hoping someone can answer. First of all , being a brand new bike , with around 500 miles or so on it, will lowering the front and and doing this modification on the back end along with the bag rack modification/welds, effect my warranty? I have two years automatically given by Kawasaki and more I paid for. Will doing it myself effect the warranty or do I need it done by the Kawasaki shop mechanics?

Second, Are these bag frame supports hollow tubing or solid steel? I am undecided, I may send it to luvernekaw to get it welded if it is hollow tubing.


Thirdly, is there any instructions or videos out there on how to remove the front forks and raise the fork covers to lower the front end a half an inch? I don't want to start or even do the front end if I can't or don't know or how to do the front end. . I want to do the whole thing at the same time. I do have a bike jack. Also will raising the front fork covers effect my handle bar lock?
I know how to take the front tire off and am a maint electrician by trade, so I am mechanically inclined, any help is appreciated. I should add that my bike is a new 2014 1700cc Vulcan Nomad. I am kind of short and I think that any little bit I can lower it would be helpful

[HwyRider]

I'm pretty sure if you start cutting the bike it will void the warranty. You should check with Kawasaki just to be sure.

[Luvernekaw]

Modifying the bag supports will obviously void the warranty on the bag supports. But, would you like to know how many times I've submitted a warranty claim on any bag support on any bike ever... Zero. If you have a dealer who tells you your warranty is voided because you modified the supports, you definitely need to go to a new dealer. I had a Kawasaki executive tell me nearly 20 years ago, "we sell the bikes and accessories, we know our customers modify them. How stupid would we be to void their entire warranty on an unrelated part?"
Don't let a "keyboard cowboy" on this or any other forum scare you. This is an easy mod to accomplish and you'll be glad you did it. The only word of caution I have is make sure whoever welds the support back together actually knows how to weld and you'll be just fine. (They are hollow)
Lastly if you have any other questions please call me direct. There are some fine and knowledgeable gentlemen on this and many other forums. I've used them many times myself. You can get a ton of useful information and help poking around and asking questions. Unfortunately, some (not all) of the people with 4000+ posts on forums are the ones you least want to listen to. If you don't know the answer to your question, how can you tell who to tune out and who to listen to? If I don't know the answer to your question, I'll tell you I don't, and I'll work to find the answer. I won't try to prove I know more than everyone on the planet when it's plain I don't.
Lowering the front forks in the clamps will not affect your steering lock. you will need to remove the forks from the clamps. slide the fork cover guide/holder down the fork leg 1/2" and reinstall the fork legs with 1/2" sticking out the top of the top triple clamp. If you feel comfortable removing forks you'll be fine. If you don't, have a qualified tech do it for you. Again, we developed this lowering link here in our shop. If you have detailed questions call me direct and you won't need to sift through Negative Nancy's posts.
FYI, We've sold 80 sets so far with zero advertising. We've had nearly unanimous positive response. Literally one complaint (you can read it on this forum a page or two back...) one set I forgot to include a washer, one set we welded backwards (oops) and 2 sets returned and refunded because the customers didn't want to modify the supports. Everyone who has them installed says they're worth doing. I'd say that's a pretty damn good record so far.
Thanks
Rick

[johninwny]

Rick, Thanks for taking the time to write/ type ....which is a pain in the ass, along with all the info. I have decided I am going to send my bag brackets to you to have them welded, but I will do it closer to the end of the riding season. Thanks for answering all my questions, please understand my concern of having a new bike , I just wanted to know a few things before I jump into this such as the warranty etc, Thanks again. I will contact you near the end season before I send the brackets. John

[HwyRider]

Modifying the bag supports will obviously void the warranty on the bag supports. But, would you like to know how many times I've submitted a warranty claim on any bag support on any bike ever... Zero. If you have a dealer who tells you your warranty is voided because you modified the supports, you definitely need to go to a new dealer. I had a Kawasaki executive tell me nearly 20 years ago, "we sell the bikes and accessories, we know our customers modify them. How stupid would we be to void their entire warranty on an unrelated part?"
Don't let a "keyboard cowboy" on this or any other forum scare you. This is an easy mod to accomplish and you'll be glad you did it. The only word of caution I have is make sure whoever welds the support back together actually knows how to weld and you'll be just fine. (They are hollow)
Lastly if you have any other questions please call me direct. There are some fine and knowledgeable gentlemen on this and many other forums. I've used them many times myself. You can get a ton of useful information and help poking around and asking questions. Unfortunately, some (not all) of the people with 4000+ posts on forums are the ones you least want to listen to. If you don't know the answer to your question, how can you tell who to tune out and who to listen to? If I don't know the answer to your question, I'll tell you I don't, and I'll work to find the answer. I won't try to prove I know more than everyone on the planet when it's plain I don't.
Lowering the front forks in the clamps will not affect your steering lock. you will need to remove the forks from the clamps. slide the fork cover guide/holder down the fork leg 1/2" and reinstall the fork legs with 1/2" sticking out the top of the top triple clamp. If you feel comfortable removing forks you'll be fine. If you don't, have a qualified tech do it for you. Again, we developed this lowering link here in our shop. If you have detailed questions call me direct and you won't need to sift through Negative Nancy's posts.
FYI, We've sold 80 sets so far with zero advertising. We've had nearly unanimous positive response. Literally one complaint (you can read it on this forum a page or two back...) one set I forgot to include a washer, one set we welded backwards (oops) and 2 sets returned and refunded because the customers didn't want to modify the supports. Everyone who has them installed says they're worth doing. I'd say that's a pretty damn good record so far.
Thanks
Rick

If you have something to say to me let's hear it otherwise go fuck your self.

[HwyRider]

Let's get you straitened out once and for all. For some reason you have an issue with my post count. Since the day I joined this forum I have made an effort to welcome every new user to the forum. That's how the post count goes up. You should try it some time instead of just trying to hustle business and calling me a keyboard cowboy. Get you facts straits

As far as your product goes you sell a product that has caused an issue with one of our members bike either via poor instructions or lack of and never took responsibility for it.

I personally wouldn't buy any product that has you cut the supports on the bike. If you don't like that opinion to bad.


If you don't like something that I post then block the posts. I don't need you little girl crap when I come on the forum.

[Kaneld]

What kind of pipes do you have installed?
I'm just curious if some exhaust systems are better or worse than others. I haven't heard of more than a couple of guys who've scraped in corners. I just rode out to the Colorado Springs area then up to Sturgis with a new 2015 Vaquero. No passenger but full saddlebags. A couple of times I was ready for something to scrape but it never did. Disclaimer; When I really want to do some knee dragging I ride one of my 4 ZRX's.
Mods to the bike were; Freedom Performance full dual exhaust, Power Commander V, Luverne Kawasaki Lowering Links, 300 watt Punch amp, Infinity speakers and the forks lowered 1/2" in the clamps.

Im running Freesom Performance Tu-Duals

[Kaneld]

I'd love to see a picture of a lowered vaquero via these lowering links mentioned.

These are the before and after pics. The difference in the look is very subtle. Mot that in the second pic my heels are down. I'm 5'9" 200lbs with a 32" inseam.

[sharkboogie134]

These are the before and after pics. The difference in the look is very subtle. Mot that in the second pic my heels are down. I'm 5'9" 200lbs with a 32" inseam.
Okay cool, is there a Web page or something to order? Can these be installed at home or is a shop needed? If installable at home do the links come with any instructions?

[sharkboogie134]

Im running Freesom Performance Tu-Duals
I'm running freedom performance 2 into 1, sounds like a beast and keep getting compliments every time she's out.

[skullbagger]

These are the before and after pics. The difference in the look is very subtle. Mot that in the second pic my heels are down. I'm 5'9" 200lbs with a 32" inseam.

kaneld, did you do the fork change to the front too! thats what make a little nervous, but I'm still interested in this mod. thanx for the pix

[Luvernekaw]

Let's get you straitened out once and for all. For some reason you have an issue with my post count. Since the day I joined this forum I have made an effort to welcome every new user to the forum. That's how the post count goes up. You should try it some time instead of just trying to hustle business and calling me a keyboard cowboy. Get you facts straits

As far as your product goes you sell a product that has caused an issue with one of our members bike either via poor instructions or lack of and never took responsibility for it.

I personally wouldn't buy any product that has you cut the supports on the bike. If you don't like that opinion to bad.


If you don't like something that I post then block the posts. I don't need you little girl crap when I come on the forum.

I don't recall naming anyone in particular and I don't normally feel the need to debate someone on the internet who clearly has more time to keep this up than I do. But now that you've felt the need to respond... (you must have felt I was talking about you for some reason?) I don't recall you welcoming me to the forum. And I have noticed you have an "opinion" about nearly everything whether you have any factual knowledge about the subject or not. If the glass slipper fits, wear it Cinderella. Now I fully realize you're going to want to keep this fun going, and believe me, I'm going to get a laugh out of your response but I think I've said all I need to.
Peace out and ride safe my friend.

[HwyRider]

You did single me out in the past with the same crap.

I don't seem to remember you posting to the new member forum. Maybe that's why you didn't get a welcome. Either that or I just thought you were and asshole to begin with.

[Luvernekaw]

Okay cool, is there a Web page or something to order? Can these be installed at home or is a shop needed? If installable at home do the links come with any instructions?

Sorry, with having with to deal with that tool on here I forgot to respond to you.
You can order direct or on ebay. If you call me direct I can get them out a little quicker for you. They come with everything you need to install along with detailed step by step instructions. If you're capable of routine maintenance you'll be able to install these links.
Give me a call and I'll give you a run down.
507-283-1800
Thanks
Rick

[sharkboogie134]

Sorry, with having with to deal with that tool on here I forgot to respond to you.
You can order direct or on ebay. If you call me direct I can get them out a little quicker for you. They come with everything you need to install along with detailed step by step instructions. If you're capable of routine maintenance you'll be able to install these links.
Give me a call and I'll give you a run down.
507-283-1800
Thanks
Rick
What's the eBay item number I'm an avid ebayer

[Trrust32]

Look at this on eBay:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271827039885&globalID=EBAY-US

Kawasaki VN 1700 Rear Suspension Lowering Link

[talon]

Still love mine and glad that I bought and installed them. Thanks again Ttrust32 for the concept and Rick for continuing with them.

[Ken Vega]

Just ordered the lowering links on Thursday for a buddy of mine. I will be installing them next week. He is about 5'7" and has trouble putting his feet flat at a stop. Hopefully this will help.

[Luvernekaw]

Just ordered the lowering links on Thursday for a buddy of mine. I will be installing them next week. He is about 5'7" and has trouble putting his feet flat at a stop. Hopefully this will help.

Ken,
I've sent 3 messages through Ebay asking what model he has. I need this information as the different models have slightly different hardware and instructions. Please call or email and I'll get them shipped.
507-283-1800 or Luvernekaw@iw.net.
Thanks
Rick

[Ken Vega]

Ken,
I've sent 3 messages through Ebay asking what model he has. I need this information as the different models have slightly different hardware and instructions. Please call or email and I'll get them shipped.
507-283-1800 or Luvernekaw@iw.net.
Thanks
Rick

My apologies. He has a 2014 Vaquero ABS. I also sent the info today through Ebay.

[skullbagger]

My apologies. He has a 2014 Vaquero ABS. I also sent the info today through Ebay.

I hear ya Ken WAHOO!

[Ken Vega]

I just installed these lowering links yesterday on my buddy's Vaq. It was pretty straight forward. Took about an hour or so, because I took my time and carefully read the instructions since there are a few operations that have to be performed on the left side of the bike that are different from the right. Great quality product. My friend can now plant his feet on the ground.

[MET-RICK]

I just installed these lowering links yesterday on my buddy's Vaq. It was pretty straight forward. Took about an hour or so, because I took my time and carefully read the instructions since there are a few operations that have to be performed on the left side of the bike that are different from the right. Great quality product. My friend can now plant his feet on the ground.

Have had mine on for a few months, love 'em. :D Cheers.

[Travyrides.]

Did you lower the front with the 21" and the rear? If so how does it ride? I may be interested in the links I to have a 30" inseam and hate being on my tip toes. Email me at travisweleschuk@yahoo.ca

[Trrust32]

This might answer some off your questions.. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36551

[MrMikey]

While waiting for the links to arrive (Cursed Post Office, any slower it be painful) I decided to modify the saddlebag mounts.
A pic of the left side before:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Left%20Side%20On%20Bike%20Before_zps54tvzkpr.jp g (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Left%20Side%20On%20Bike%20Before_zps54tvzkpr.jpg.h tml)

Both of them off on the bench before cutting:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Both%20On%20Bench%20Before%20Cutting_zps4ikc7yb w.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Both%20On%20Bench%20Before%20Cutting_zps4ikc7ybw.j pg.html)

After I cut them, there was a gap at the end of the tube. Understandable because of the bend of the tubing not being 90deg and you're removing an inch of length:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Gap_zpsiqtioum6.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Gap_zpsiqtioum6.jpg.html)

I could have welded them up by not aligning them properly but that would look..rough so instead I opted to weld the cut off pieces from the short end back on the long end:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Splice%20Pieces_zpsh5obxu43.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Splice%20Pieces_zpsh5obxu43.jpg.html)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Splice%20Pieces%20Welded_zpshvqcaj5v.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Splice%20Pieces%20Welded_zpshvqcaj5v.jpg.html)

All welded up, just have to paint them and they're finished:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Both%20On%20Bench%20Welded_zps1znmcaoq.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Both%20On%20Bench%20Welded_zps1znmcaoq.jpg.html)

All done and installed:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Left%20Side%20On%20Bike%20After_zpsmbbutdcu.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Left%20Side%20On%20Bike%20After_zpsmbbutdcu.jpg.ht ml).

Changed the rear brake fluid while I was there. My hip started acting up so I'm leaving the clutch 'till tomorrow.
Nothing hard to this at all, if I had to pick the worst part it was removing all the plastic, even then it wasn't too bad.
Of course I wanted to sit on the bike, start it up and listen just because but of course my battery is toast. I think the tender was unplugged so come Monday it's battery time...Mike

[MrMikey]

All done:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/mikemilburn/th_Installed_zpsdjtwdyb1.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/mikemilburn/media/Installed_zpsdjtwdyb1.jpg.html)
No problems. Never sat on it, it's a pia to get it up on the lift so I never even sat on it so I can't comment on the height difference. I will once I get on it.

Mounted my extra park, stop and turn light under the trunk while I was at it, changed the air filter, put the new battery in so all I need now id good weather....Mike

[coach]

so im really short and bought this link plus the progressive lowering drop in kit, hoping it will help me be flat footed. plus preparing the bike for the 21 in the front.

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Ordered April 5th via eBay, arrived April 8th. Was packaged well and good instructions, although I have difficulty picturing some of the stuff reading the instructions, it made sense when I did the work. Would be helpful if they had an instruction video and just sent a card with a link on it. Not a big deal but would be something for them to think about doing, maybe more people would jump on doing it if they knew how easy it was to complete the job.

Got to play around with my new Condor Pit Stop bike support which made it super easy to jack up the bike for the work. http://www.amazon.com/Condor-Pit-Stop-TrailerStop-PS-1500/dp/B001AWLJG6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Only issue was playing with the washer placement on the left side bracket to get it to sit correctly. Following the instructions the bracket didn't sit all the way down on the swing arm. Had to use a thin washer to space it out a tad and all was well. I did not space the left bag support as suggested in the instructions. If I see it making contact I'll do as small of spacing that I can get away with. I whomped on it yesterday with some high speed dips and couldn't get the bike to bottom out and I'm 200 pounds. I'll play with the air pressure some when I get my air shock single block and install it since I'll have to re-air the shocks after that.

It's not real noticeable looking at the bike, but sitting on it I like the change in riding position as well as the handling and ride improvements. It's a considerable difference which I didn't think it would be. I fancy myself as being very good and low speed handling so that was never an issue, but I've had a couple issues, with a 30" inseam, where I've lost footing trying to back the bike and it's a bitch to catch when that happens.

Impression is good overall, got about 20 miles of riding in so far and I'm happy with the end result for the cost.

[Theunclebeef]

Anybody have any handling input after lowering?

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Yes I have some input. I found shock setup to be more critical after lowering. I was running rebound on II and I find that not to be suitable. With rebound on III and increasing my PSI by 10 pounds my wallowing issue was resolved when taking sweepers at high speed and hitting bumps.

No issues with bottoming out or any ride quality complaints.

[8v06]

This question is for Luvernekaw or anyone else who has sent their brackets to him for the modification on the Voyager.
How much is it to have the brackets modified at his shop? When the brackets come back are they just ready to bolt back into place or will I need to make any other adjustments to mount them up?
I know my mechanical limitations and they pretty much stop after unbolting and bolting something back on.

[Lumberjack]

Contact them as they were very good with communicating with me upon inquiring. They even sent me the instructions.

This question is for Luvernekaw or anyone else who has sent their brackets to him for the modification on the Voyager.
How much is it to have the brackets modified at his shop? When the brackets come back are they just ready to bolt back into place or will I need to make any other adjustments to mount them up?
I know my mechanical limitations and they pretty much stop after unbolting and bolting something back on.

[8v06]

I bought the lowering link a few weeks ago. I have to admit, I didnt think it would be the answer but I figured I would give it a try. Well, yesterday I installed it and WOW what a difference it made. I didnt adjust the front at all but I dont think I will need to. I went from being tiptoe to flat footed. By far this is the best mod I have done to my Voyager yet.
Next is to Ivanize. I hope I am as happy with that as I am with this lowering link.

[talon]

I bought the lowering link a few weeks ago. I have to admit, I didnt think it would be the answer but I figured I would give it a try. Well, yesterday I installed it and WOW what a difference it made. I didnt adjust the front at all but I dont think I will need to. I went from being tiptoe to flat footed. By far this is the best mod I have done to my Voyager yet.
Next is to Ivanize. I hope I am as happy with that as I am with this lowering link.

Yeah, glad you went ahead and did it. It is a little unbelievable how much difference it makes in the comfort level coming to stops. I can also state, the Ivanized ECU will be the "other" best mod done to the bike. Hard to choose between them; those those two things REALLY make the Vaquero an even better bike and I'm sure the same can be said for the Voyager. Good luck with the rest.

T

[redjay]

I bought the lowering link a few weeks ago. I have to admit, I didnt think it would be the answer but I figured I would give it a try. Well, yesterday I installed it and WOW what a difference it made. I didnt adjust the front at all but I dont think I will need to. I went from being tiptoe to flat footed. By far this is the best mod I have done to my Voyager yet.
Next is to Ivanize. I hope I am as happy with that as I am with this lowering link.

Get your ECU to Ivan before the 25th for a 10% discount.

[Luvernekaw]

This question is for Luvernekaw or anyone else who has sent their brackets to him for the modification on the Voyager.
How much is it to have the brackets modified at his shop? When the brackets come back are they just ready to bolt back into place or will I need to make any other adjustments to mount them up?
I know my mechanical limitations and they pretty much stop after unbolting and bolting something back on.

Voyager saddlebag bracket modification is $195 plus return shipping. They will be returned to you modified, painted and ready to be bolted back on. No other adjustments or modifications will need to be made.

For anyone with any other questions please feel free to contact us directly at 507-283-1800 Monday - Friday 9-6 PM CST and Sat. 9-1 CST. I'm not on the forum daily so may take several days for a response.
Thank you.
Rick
Luverne Kawasaki