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02-27-2013, 11:52 AM | #121 | |
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There is a lot of truth to the words below. There are a few here that don't just speak to the love and enjoyment of their non-Kawasaki product, but constantly call out the Vulcan as a sub-par machine.
I understand that your "Victory" or "Harley" may have more creature comfort than my Voyager. I also know that you paid at least $10,000 more for it than I did for my equally new 2012 Voyager. If I buy a base model Lexus ES 350, it's going to cost me $10,000 more than a base model Toyota Camary. Do both cars do the same thing? Yes. Can I go anywhere on the Lexus that I can't go on the Toyota? No. What it might influence me to do is stand around my Toyota driving friends and say "Hey look at me!" I own a Lexus!" At first, your friends will be complimentory of your new ride and join in by telling you how nice it is and how they would buy one too if they could afford it. Where you would lose them is when you start telling them how much better your Lexus is than their budget brand Toyota. It wouldn't take long before they would tell you to get over yourself and possibly even a few more colorful remarks. I got exactly what I sought out when I bought my Voyager and the Nomad before it. I bought a quality product that does exactly what I want it to do, at a price that I could afford. Might I buy a Victory or Harley one day? Quite possible. I really like both brands because I'm a motorcycle enthusiast. The brand or amount I paid doesn't define me. I sold my FJR 1300 because, being a life-long cruiser guy I just couldn't get used to the ergonomics of the sport touring motorcycle. I threw money at it trying to turn it into what I should have bought in the first place - another cruiser. I would never think about going to my old FJR 1300 forum and call out that bike as a piece of crap or sub-par. If for no other reason, the respect for my fellow riders. Not to mention... "It's the freakin' FJR 1300 forum!" Just because the bike didn't work out for me doesn't mean it's not a quality motorcycle that's loved by thousands. For those who feel the need to hang around the Vulcan Bagger Forum and bitch about the perceived lack of quality of the Vulcan brand, I would say, "Get over yourself". Go over to your new brand of choice's forum and do it where it will be better received. PS - This is not at all directed towards Kris who started this thread. He merely introduced his new ride to members of the forum. I don't need to call out screen names here. The offenders know who they are and you just watch... the guilty dog(s) will bark. "Stepping slowly away from the soapbox..." Quote:
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02-27-2013, 12:36 PM | #122 | |
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For every action, there is an equal (in magnitude) and opposite (in direction) reaction. This is Newton’s law of motion that I tend to believe is applicable to social contexts such as ours as well. Let us not forget the kind of discourse preferred by regular members when they talk about other brand of motorcycles. I therefore believe that some of the flame wars follow the Newton’s law of motion. I no longer ride a Vulcan but am an enthusiast member and still frequent these boards for two simple reasons: 1) I have friends here and I want to keep in touch with them, 2) I have some riding experience with a 2008 Nomad and I want to help new owners with their not-so-difficult questions (difficult questions are for the top guns that don’t care enough about simple questions). |
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02-27-2013, 12:48 PM | #123 |
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Where did we get off of "congratulations Kris" and on to "Crap about Crap"?
I didn't buy my '06 Nomad until '07, but I didn't buy it because it was a "Cheap" or "Get by for now" model. At the time it was the best IMHO available at any price (cheaper was just a bonus). As time passes, changes happen. Some are good, others not so much. Back then Patricia and I earned about 4 times what we make now. I looked at dozens of different motorcycles and test road quite a few. Didn't care about the price and paid cash for the one I chose. The only thing I thought was lacking on the Nomad was Power/Torque. I considered a V2K and even asked the dealer if the bags and guards of the Nomad would fit on the V2K, or if the V2K motor would work in a Nomad (No to both). After several Mods to the 1600, I have no problem at all keeping up with my friend's stock 2011 Cross Country up to about 70 mph. Past that he walks away easily. That's where I get to say, "5 years older, smaller motor, less $$$". Another friend in Tucson recently dropped $23K on a 2013 XCT + Stage 1 +++. When he gets on the throttle it's quite impressive. . . even for $23K. H-D on the other hand still doesn't have anything that I would trade straight across for my Nomad. I'm still happy with my '06 Nomad. If someday I choose to replace it, I will do the same as in '07. I'll compare every bike I have an interest in. Then I'll buy the one that I like the best. These days I might have to go for the financing.
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02-27-2013, 01:25 PM | #126 |
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My Nomad has about 15,000 miles on it I put about 3,000 a year on it I am happy with it after the mods I have done and unless I pull a dumb bone head nose dive on it or some idiot on a cell phone runs over me it will probably be my last bike it fits me has enough power for me .. If anyone one wants a new bike no matter what brand that is their choosing they are the ones who spend the money not me. Kris I hope you enjoy your new bike I had sat on the new Voyager and was not comfortable on it and figured that why give up my Nomad for something I was not comfortable on and Nomad is paid for. We all have different mind sets on what we want in a bike so instead of bashing HDs or BMWs or Nomads or Victorys we need to just ride what we like and enjoy just because you move to another brand you do not have ot bash all others even the brand you just left.
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02-27-2013, 01:31 PM | #127 | |
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As I slowly make my way on top of the soapbox! Mike I'm not sure I'm taking your remarks correctly. I do believe all of us owned a Nomad at one time and have nothing but fond memories of it! Name one member that hated it from the beginning and got rid of it? Would my Nomad continue to transport me and my girl across the country reliably? ABSOLUTELY!. But like all products they do wear out. When they do and one thinks of a replacement 6 years later there is lots to consider in the market. We "owned" the economy version of a V-Twin tourer and it served us all well. It's Kawasaki's responsibility to keep us. We owe nothing to the Corporation. Remember when nobody would buy American Cars?? Everyone thought they were crap compared to the Japanese products. What happened? America competed. It's time Kawasaki competed for our dollar harder. Victory is. I use them just as an example. The difference in a luxury car/motorcycle and an economy one is more than just the name. The quality of it's components is much higher as well. Not always but usually. When was the last time Kawasaki aired it's view as to why their V-twins are better made with better economy and power compared to the competition? Never, and they never will. That is not their target market in the V-Twin arena. As a former pro motorcycle drag racer I know high quality componentry in motors. My motorcycle uses "roller rockers". Unheard of in anything less than the most expensive engines nowadays. Bearing serviced rockers is "good enough" for the economy crowd. Gear drive verses chain drive. Gear drive is usually the domain for the most expensive engines. Closed loop injection systems should be the norm for most engines but MaKaw refused to have that on their V-Twin line up. The point is the list goes on and on. We did pay more. But we got lot's for that additional money. Again, I loved my Nomad and I'm glad my brother bought it so I can ride with him and smile at my ol girl. I hope I just mis-understood your angle?
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02-27-2013, 02:06 PM | #129 |
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Fully understood Mr. Wilson...
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I just don't have a desire to listen to it over and again. I get it. You liked your 1600 Nomad and think the 1700 is crap. Enough already. In most forums people get banned for brand bashing and that's just for making derogatory comments about motorcycles outside the forum brand. It certainly shouldn't be acceptable behavior here, especially from long standing members that were prior owners. Quote:
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02-27-2013, 02:19 PM | #131 |
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How 'bout them Twins?
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02-27-2013, 02:21 PM | #132 |
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That's not even a motorcycle. I know, cheap shot.
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02-27-2013, 02:23 PM | #133 |
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Oh I see... Just because you ride a Victory, you think your Twins are better than my Rockies?!
Sorry... couldn't help myself. Just kidding of course!
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Personally, I don't give a shit what anybody else rides. I tout the positives of my Victory only because I know there are others out there in the market for another bike and they may not know about the Vic. If someone chooses to buy another Kawasaki (or a Hardley or BMW or Hyosung), so be it. As long as they enjoy it, that's great. Most of you know that, from the time I bought my Nomad until the time I sold it, I tried to make it into something it was never meant to be. For ME, it made sense to buy a bike that already had that stuff. As a matter of fact, I was told more than once I should sell the Nomad and buy something else.
I'm only quoting you fammdw to straighten out a mathematical error. Most of us who have bought Victorys (I can't speak for the Harley crowd) didn't pay anything near $10k more than a comparable Voyager. I paid $20k OUT THE DOOR for my brand new '12 Vision. Unless you paid well under $10k for your brand new Voyager, I didn't pay "at least $10,000 more". I'd guess Brad and Kris paid between $20k and $23k for their XCTs. I still doubt you'll find a new model year Voyager for less than $13k.
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02-27-2013, 02:44 PM | #135 | |
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That may be true in the case of your Vision, but the average person I know that owns a XCT paid between $23,000 to $25,000 out the door. I paid $15,600 out the door for my Voyager with ABS.
I have found from personal experience with Victory that some dealerships will deal with you on the price if you are buying outright. Throw in a trade and the negotiations end. I am happy to hear from owners of other brands talking about what they enjoy about their new bike. I just ask that in the process, they don't bring to my attention what a piece of crap mine is. If you don't fit in that mold, then don't feel challenged or "called out" by my comments. Quote:
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