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It makes as much sense as a completely neutered diesel truck that has "lower emmissions", but in turn burns more dinosaur bones. Not sure how that "saves the environment". I.E. my latest truck, full emissions- appx 450HP 12-16 MPG tops. Pulled all the dead weight emissions and added a mild tune. Now pull 22-26 MPG (16 pulling a backhoe) at 750+ HP. Too bad if there's a little Prius deterant coming from the exhaust.. As far as the E10, E15, and now I've read that an E20 will soon be available...at least we have those in the AMA and A.B.A.T.E. that are doing what they can to keep the corn syrup out of our fuel for our recreational purposes.
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Holy cow, Batman. I never thought this was such an issue. As to Smokiers original post link. Which really points out the problem=Alcohol absorbs water. That seems to give some solution that we can work on. Seems many company's will fill the gaps with good and crap solutions. And now we have to sort those out. Sucks to be us! But we will ride, " F "em " I will ride. And use Embalming fluid if I have to for the winter storage. You Sons a Bitc es ( left the 'H" out to make the post) will not stop me.
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02-12-2019, 11:59 AM | #21 |
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i have no intention of getting in a debate about fuel or any other thing here -- but my experience with e10 fuel has never been a problem -- have used 100* fuel a few times but see no difference with nomad/mowers/saws/and other things -- however i do use top tier fuel - exon - shell mostly but there are a few others on the list around here
for anyone that dont know alcohol is a catalist between gas and water -- if u have water in gas just add a little alcohol that will mix with water and gas and it all burns and goes away -- years ago i read the label on a popular gas treatment 1 said ethanol & other said methanol --- iast time i looked a gallon of gas made 2x the power of a gal of alcohol so e10 may not make as much power but so far i cannot see the diff. & not worth the cost to me lots of strong opinions here but for me fresh premium e10 works well |
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The whole E10/E15 market is so much bullshit. It does not reduce the need for gas production. It does not improve the environment. It only gains the ethanol producers and the lobbyists. The rest of us lose for it. Now we get E15 BS, and all vehicles that use it get even less miles per gallon. So the end result is more gas is needed, more gas must be delivered to the in ground tanks, and the only way that fuel gets in the tanks is being transported by MORE tanker loads using more diesel fuel to get the E10/E15 to the consumer.
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02-17-2019, 09:38 AM | #23 |
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That's ALL we have here in CAN unless you go premium.
I spent a month down in NC/TN and thought it was strange people filling up at the lone ethanol free pump waaaaay back in the corner. Vehicles can be replaced where we live cannot. It's good for the environment. Remember when we had lead in gas???
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https://www.pure-gas.org/ HERE is a web site that gives a lot of the stations with 100 percent gas some may not have it now but pretty accurate
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And, where does that additional energy required to produce the ethanol come from? Largely, natural gas and coal. So, until vehicles improve enough to get the same or better fuel mileage on E10 and E15 than on whole gas, and until production of ethanol takes no more energy to produce than whole gas, and until the energy source to produce the ethanol is cleaner to obtain/use/produce than natural gas and coal, until all that happens E10 and E15 is NOT beneficial to the environment. Now I am not saying whole gas is or should be our only choice. We HAVE to find alternative fuels (like fuel produced from algae), or electrical powered vehicles (that DON'T get electrical energy from NG or coal powered turbines). We HAVE to continue to make vehicles that require less fuel (whatever that fuel is) per mile driven. We HAVE to find alternatives to just relying on gas powered vehicles. But let's not accept the current lies about E10 and E15 being good for the environment. Even the Dept of Energy knows and admits that E10 and E15 costs more to the consumer per miles driven: https://www.thoughtco.com/cost-of-us...l-fuel-1203778
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It takes a god awful amount of acreage to grow. With it being used as fuel instead of feed corn, beef, pork, and other meat prices go up. It's economically unsustainable, if it weren't for the gov subsidies it would cost 45 cents per gallon more, which is the current subsidy here in the USA. Here in south Florida I paid $2.39 for ethanol free fuel this morning, regular (with ethanol) was $2.19. Where is the other .25 cents per gallon? The overall cost to taxpayers is over $4.00 per gallon! Then add in the repair and replacement costs due to the damage it does. I could go on but I won't.
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02-20-2019, 10:17 AM | #28 |
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Found this interesting, thought I'd share.
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Very informative! Thanks.
Electric cars are inevitable as battery tech develops and the market demands more electric vehicle development. But, this type of information should be made publicly required, so the general public really understands where the development is going. This should be required viewing for anyone registering their vehicle license, or at least be distributed in paper form along with your license tags for renewal. Like I said earlier, until we are primarily getting our electricity from renewable sources (which is decades away) electric/hybrid vehicles cost more to society in total. Right now, the only persons to benefit $$ from driving an electric vehicle, is the person paying for the vehicle. But without US government subsidies, that would be FAR fewer than presently being driven on US roads. But, new persons in government, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are far liberal enough to demand MAJOR costly changes be made effective within the next ten years or less. Be wary of the "New Green Deal", or at least be very aware of it, and who pushes it. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...than-you-think
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02-20-2019, 05:53 PM | #30 |
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It was an interesting listen... More to ponder.
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