So, you want to ban guns, eh?

[NRiderUSA]

Odds of pot getting legal at the current political correctness level we are at is very slim.
To many better than thou people in charge going after the smokers,drinkers,sugar lovers, food lovers, gas car drivers, carbon burners.......man that list would take forever to cover.

Point being, until America gets back to live and let live values we had.....most vices are going to be either taxed, outlawed or taxed to where you cant afford to take advantage of that right you still have but cant afford.......including ammunition.

[djh]

Great sign Bob. Thanks for posting . As for the Registration of firearms, the only people who would register would be the Honest ones. The Criminals would not bother. Study one's history you can see that registering all firearms is just the First step. Look at the 1930's in Germany for instance. I do agree that if you own a weapon you should know how to use it and how to use it safely.

[ringadingh]

Originally Posted by DJ

Great sign Bob. Thanks . As for the Registration of firearms, the only people who would register would be the Honest ones. The Criminals would not bother. Study one's history you can see that registering all firearms is just the First step. Look at the 1930's in Germany for instance. I do agree that if you own a weapon you should know how to use it and how to use it safely.

Thats exactly the way it is here. But you can't get it through their heads.
The anti's view is that if nobody is allowed to own a gun the bad guys won't have a house to steal them from.

[NRiderUSA]

Its like that old movie where the Sherrif who "they" needed to clean their town up did and because he controlled the crime so well with his Gunslinging ways they now wanted to boot him cause he is too violent...... then when the bad guys come back in cause the only thing keeping them at bay was gone..... well its a common sense thing (for most)....

But talk and talk prove and prove..... doesnt matter its the way things unfold and why the Hitlers, Mao's, Stalins etc etc come to power.

History repeats itself because it has to because people forget (even if they have documentaries and video proof)......amazingly ignorant of reality.

[djh]

Thanks mac mac and Todd ! For I must be a Right Wing "NUT" Patriot also, Yes I'm conservative is most of my views, not all. Another law that only honest people will be forced to follow and dishonest Criminals will not is NOT the answer. As for Ken you crossed the line when you made this personal. Your views are different from mine, So what. Calling people who think different from you Right Wing Nuts is rather close minded. Calling in to question KawaNow and it's forum members is also rather close minded. I think we need to go and ride a get some fresh air.

[Idaho]

Originally Posted by Ken

I find it comical that freedom and patriotism always seem to enter into an issue when challenging the way conservatives think. Why is it that you don't think I'm for freedom or I'm a patriot as well as you? Moreover, I wish some of you would learn to read things thoroughly...I am not for banning guns, but I would like to have them controlled. Know that so many right wing nuts are armed (and thus dangerous) scares the bejesus out of me. One too many beers or perhaps a misconstrued word, and bang, another statistic...

I'm beginning to wonder if any folks who think like me are even a part of this KawaNow group or does riding a motorcycle automatically make one a gunslinger?

And MacMac...learn how to use spell-check.... Ken

I thought that I had read everything that Ken had posted on this thread until I read DJ's last so I went looking for the "offending" post. Uh, I don't see anything terribly offensive there. He took a swipe at Mac's spelling which he appologized for later and Mac accepted. That should be the end of that. As for his statement about "right wing nut jobs" that seems to be a common thought among liberals who can't really seperate out armed extremists from law abiding citizens. While this verbiage is distressing, it is up to us law abiding citizens to try to set the record straight.

Personally I think that we can all learn from this thread. Ken never said that he was for banning all guns, he is for tighter control of guns. That is something that many of us disagree with him on.

He is right in his statement wondering if bikers in general are seen as gun toting thugs. (my words not his but you get the idea) There are too many one percenters out there who pack illegal firearms and are willing to shoot you at the drop of a hat. That alone does not make the rest of us bad simply because we may pack a firearm. But it does justify our desire to carry for self defense. The thugs will ALWAYS have guns even when law abiding citizens do not. Proven fact.

Truth is that almost all of the people who exercise LEGAL concealed carry pray to God that they never have to pull their firearm. To do so means that there is a very good chance that someone will be shot and it may be an innocent bystander. That is a real nightmare. But, it is far preferred to not having the means for defense and watching helplessly as some nut job shoots up a crowd of innocent people.

By the way, the idea that guns used in the Mexican gun trade come from America is a falsehood. Some probably do but the vast majority are automatic weapons purchased on the international market. Weapons that law abiding US citizens do not have access to. Why we would want to punish US citizens then for something that they have nothing to do with is a mystery to me.

Ken, there are KawaNOW members who agree with your point of view and I for one welcome them here. Not many speak up but they are still here. We need to learn that we are all here because of our love motorcycles and not let our political views get in the way of our basic friendship. Only by discussing both sides of any topic can we come to a fair decision. Otherwise those making the decisions become despots and freedom suffers.

Peace

[glwilson]

Long thread here huh?

I watched a documentary about the Old West sometime ago...

...the interesting thing stated was that the Old West wasn't as "wild" as many (most) believe it to have been.

They said it was extremely rare that "outlaws" or "rebels" would come into a town and shoot-it-up... why?

Because everyone knew that most everyone from the barber to the baker; from the dance hall-girls to the seamstress had a gun and knew how to use it -- and more importantly would if ever needed.

Seems to me... there may be something to the thought that if no one knew for sure if another was carrying... they just might think twice before committing a crime.

Don't know... but an interesting piece of information I thought. ;)

[Idaho]

And it is right on the button Greg. Not many criminals waltz into a police station to shoot it up. You would not think of strolling into a karate convention to threaten to kick butt at random.

As I have quoted several times here already, "Peace through strength"

[macmac]

Well yeah Ken took a swipe at me and I didn't care, He offered an appology I don't need or want. I am kool with Ken.

I understand where his head is, and once myself didn't think I needed any SD guns. I had a pint even where the school shooting were causing me to feel bad about guns, but that Easter 99 murders settled that.

Another x con violent offender struck into my family, this was the 2nd time fir me and mine and there and then I became hard core. I am no threat to anyone, first, but i sure as hell will be once ai see lethal force. I have been taught the mind set.

I see the problem, which is soft bleedin heart judges, lawyers and the paroll system.

I swear if there is a 3rd time and the bad guy has a long record and past violent history, if I live, I will find out who the judge was, who the lawyers were and everyone on the paroll board and go do them harm. This failed system is past Kens knowing, and so I forgive him, and will stand to protect his Freedom of Speech even.

I don't have to agree with a guy to still want to protect his CONS Rights...

Idaho, we'er on the same page...

Another point is I think Utah not involved on this thread is the youngest guy here on the site.

Most of the guys in this thread are well past 45, me at 58, not the youngest maybe, but not the oldest and the damnned system has failed us to this point!

We are not 30 something gang bangers. just a point.

So if I ask anything let Ken off the hook, as he is as entitled to his say right or wrong, as anyone else. My feelings are not damaged by words, it takes much more than that to hurt me.

[Idaho]

I agree, Ken is not the issue here.

As to the revolving door in the criminal justice system the problem is lack of space and lack of money. It is our own doing. When we got lax with prosecution and imprisonment the flood gates opened and things got worse. The old saw about letting the camel get his nose in the tent is true. Right now judges HAVE to consider whether there is an empty jail cell to put a bad guy into if he sentences him. There is no room at the inn.

Only the real bad and repeat offenders get jail time and it is shortened because of overcrowding. Too bad.

[macmac]

Well I don't smoke the evil wild woodland weeds, but if I wanted to I sure would. With that said IMO the system keeps this type of offender, and releases the violent offenders way to often.

The reason I think this is because the pot heads are easy to contain, they have smoked themselves stupid. Talking from an ancient past of mine. The truely bad guy, who is dangerous is harder to tend to, and less willing to be tended to, and it is a great way to keep police forces growing.

The police are not at fault for these releases, but never the less they get paid each time they bag the same wacko nut case.

Like I said, I hit my wall in Easter 99. I just won't take it anymore. Bad Guy comes to my rural boonie land abode, and i catch him at night, he will be feedin the yottes the next day.

Around here there is a saying. It goes like this. Don't be stupid in the day time, and criminally ignorant at night.

It also appears to me that the convicted criminal has more Rights than the average working slob. No one pays for me to get tv, radio, publications, pens, and paper, or a gym to go work out in. No one pays if I am wounded, or need dental work either.

In harder times where food was the issue, I almost wanted to get busted, because then it would have improved my living style, and right now I believe from my heart the Govt wants us all to be one of 2 things.. 1 Govt worker, 2 a criminal, and both probably wouldn't upset the Govt a bit.

AND AND AND how I know now, is that in the recent past, seeking work, on the new job applications is a section I never saw before, where the paper wants to know the last 3 convictions, a would be job seeker should fill out! I think you might be turned down for the job if you have nothing to place there too!

I said litterin'

[NRiderUSA]

Your right Mac, If you arent for or part of the current Government they are classifying and targeting you as the problem for the "Believers"... maybe not the words criminal yet but your going to be tagged with something, homophobic, racist, white radical, extermist, smoker, rich .....basically a rebel and the time for rebels is long gone...

Conform and be assimilated comrade.

[macmac]

Well any of these criteria can work for me, except rich, if that is in terms of dollars. Seems like that alone might be enough to get busted for, meaning if you don't have enough dollars.

When I don't have enough of them, I go with out, which is usually apaying some fee to one form or another of Govt program, like my rusty truck that would take an agi plate till I fix it, but that 75 bucks and I ain't doing that.

Since when is the time for rebels is long gone? So far as I know Freedom needs to be refreshed with some split blood? This current Govt, just might get that blood, the way they are going, and if you ask me Nancy could use some nice virgin blood right now.

[macmac]

Originally Posted by NriderUSA

Odds of pot getting legal at the current political correctness level we are at is very slim.
To many better than thou people in charge going after the smokers,drinkers,sugar lovers, food lovers, gas car drivers, carbon burners.......man that list would take forever to cover.

Point being, until America gets back to live and let live values we had.....most vices are going to be either taxed, outlawed or taxed to where you cant afford to take advantage of that right you still have but cant afford.......including ammunition.

Well I wonder. Anyway some how I missed this post, but wanted to point out that the Govt if legalizing pot were to happen could accomplish many things.

A big fat TAX comes to mind first of all, and because that weed is popular, and may be safer than abused booze is.

Probably it would end the war on drugs, and stop the mexican problem cold. If not still since it is legal the enforcers could gain ground perhaps on other drugs in the narcotics classes.

A lot of the reason pot is illegal has much to do with oil and bi-products of oil.

We could have a cleaner world and at less expence too. Less plastic mean a cleaner world and plastics can be made of hemp.

Yoy can raise 3 crops of hemp in a season and bio-mass it for electricty. Not only that but growing pot os like growing alfafa and clover and adds nitrogen back to the soil.

I am sure everyone here is aware that fibers come from this weed and once were the mainstay litterally for the English and all the worlds other Navys, counting our own. Where there is fibers there is cloth, and all biodegradable in very friendly terms.

I want this weed to be legal, but not for recreational uses, unless that is what the We the people want, and with a TAX. That tax might be 5,000% for all I care.

Then since it would be legal there would be no prisoners to upkeep.

Car components could be made too, like seats and seat covers, dash covers, and carpet and matts. All as biodegradeable as the for crap steel that is used now, which is good for the earth, but bad for man.

It's a good thing man can't smoke steel huh?

[NRiderUSA]

Good and valid points they have been around since the 60's and even before when the outlawing of pot was just about the same time that synthetic materials were being marketed that would be in direct competition againts "Hemp"......... but again Mac I have to point out the current trend of our government is to "Nanny" us government and its not good for us views.

Although I totally agree the good points should warrant legalization, especially since the "Choosen ones" use one stand against it on crime created for illegal drugs... they seem to overlook or ignore the facts that like when prohabition was repealed crime went down due to the lack of criminals using it to make money..... but thats not a topic to cover.

Resistance is futile.....Conform and be assimilated!!!!