Gov't out of control

[Idaho]

These clowns in Washington DC are gleefully passing 2000+ page bills that supposedly will fix all of the things that have been wrong with our country, our Constitusiton and screwed up by GWB. It seems like they crank out 2000 pages at the drop of a hat. Problem is that NO ONE READS THEM and no one really knows what is in them. Surely that is an impeachable offense by itself.

The latest thing that has my attention is that the "Stimulus Bill", whichever that one was, has a provision that directs the government to track the BMI of every American!! This may seem innocent enough to those on the Left (I just watched a skinny, 20 something, airhead female, bubbling over about what a good thing this is on Fox News) This is how it starts. "Innocent" collection of data. Later on they will use this data to deny health care or to force us to eat what they say is good for us. They will put businesses out of business that they say are marketing unhealthy foods. Good bye McDonalds, Burger King, Ben & Jerry's, Baskin Robins.

Now there is a story that a school district has started sending home BMI warnings to parents about their children.

Food police and fat patrols will make our lives a nightmare.

This is the vision of a perfect world according to the Democrats in Washington. Everyone needs to be broke (rob from the rich and give to the poor), skinny (BMI monitors) and unable to travel at will. (no gasoline powered vehicles) Oh, and we need to welcome anyone from anywhere who wants to share in this Utopia society.

Can I declare myself a sovereign nation and cecede from this insanity?

[NRiderUSA]

I know there are a lot of non-smokers that really dont give a crap about the no-smoking season that started and excelled over the last decade..... and saw the future and past of "Well they came for the jews, but I wasnt a jew" attitude...

Told you then when they started attacking the rights to do what you want to do in smokers it wouldnt end...........They got away with it, no one other than smokers tried to stop them..

SOOOOOOOO, I hate to say it but, I told you so and its gaining momentum. They know whats best for us so they are going to Nanny us into it.

History repeats itself again...seems like in the 1930's a certain nation did the same thing telling people what they were allowed to do to promote the "perfect world".... think they called it the 3rd reich.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

It is really bad that we have allowed these things to happen. I do smoke and can remember buying a pack for less than 50 cents and now I am paying almost $5.00 a pack. They don't want us to smoke but they want us to keep buying them so they will have all the tax dollars.

It doesn't look good for a lot of eating establishments. They will either have to serve nutricious food or run the risk of being put out of business.

Government has gotten too big and they want to get bigger.

[billmac]

Idaho, having been a Kawanow member for a couple of years, I am certain that you will find many on Kawanow in agreement with you. I can understand your frustration in many of the areas you discuss. I too wish our borders were secure, Congressional bills were brief, and our Government would be fiscally responsible.

However, I believe these problems all existed under Bush and the Republicans too. In fact, I could argue they made matters much worse.

For what its worth, I am a Viet Nam infantry vet that disagrees with boots on the ground in two countries and talk of invading another. I have lived this occupation strategy. "Change the hearts and minds", jeeeez. I grieve over the lives lost and the cost of these never ending wars. I had hoped President Obama would get us out of these wars.

I also believe the greatest Country on earth, should favor right to life and the right to health care after life begins. Profits and political contributions are pricing our so called free market health care system into ruin. All Americans should have the same health care, even U.S. Senators.

I understand and can sympathize with Arizona's concern with border issues that they lived with for years . It is interesting that Arizona decided to do something controversial in a election year.

I do not actually fit with either political party but prefer the care of the Dems over the Republican party of "NO." I believe the Republican Party is going so far to the right, they risk losing the vote in the middle that decides elections. Just like the Dems did when they became the party of inclusion, of many fringe groups.

I do not believe I am going to change any political views of Kawanow members, nor them change me. I feel it is important to voice our concerns.
I am glad we live in a Country where we are free to voice our concerns and differences. For me, I have Pledged Allegience to the U.S., even when the insanity came from President Bush and Vice-President Chaney.

Thank goodness, many of us are capable of reasonable discussion without name calling or racist comments/jokes.

P.S. I also prefer to breathe clean air and no second hand smoke. But again, thats just me.

[NRiderUSA]

Thats why they used to have signs saying "Smoking establishment" to insure that the people who want to "breath clean air" could use their god given right of choice to either enter or not.

I understand your points BillMac, but when it comes down to I smoke so everyone else should laws or vice versa. Thats not Ameircan base, thats socialism and ant colony thinking.

Most of the party of "No" have given plenty of suggestions as to solutions but the left wing Dem party of "My way or no way" keep blocking the compromise that should be happening.

As far a Vietnam era, I wasnt in Vietnam but I was in during vietnam and I saw the one side saying we should be there and lets beat them, I also saw the other side making sure through legislation that it would be impossible to win. We were there but we were not supplied to allow us to win, it was just like right now.... political.

And like you I am not a rep or dem, I am an Independant. Both parties got us here one way or another. The only going on now is the Obama agenda of socializing everything through governement control and taxed funding. That is why our Social Security system is broke, making it a slush fund to fund everything else that it was not intended to fund has broken it.

This is just my point of view, and whenever I hear the Bush/Reagan/Republicans did it first rationalizations it flares my "Does that make it ok" attitude.

By those rationalizations murder shouldnt be anything to worry about its been happening for eons..... they did it first so its not really anything new rationalizations are killing our country by over time softening the view from shock to "well thats the way it is".

We are loosing our freedom of choice thats a fact and thats why the originators of our country fled the suppression of their previous countries.... all the decades that people have been coming to America its because of freedom of choice and freedom from oppression from governements that tell them how they will live.

We used to be the land of opportunity, with the current administrations "Big Governement and right to free load" view, we will become the land of free riding.

[Idaho]

billmac, thank you for your reply. I can respect that. My sense is that you and I would agree on quite a few things. You are correct in that both parties have caused this mess that we are facing. Right now the Dems are in full control and are clearly abusing that trust and this scares the crap out of me.

Like NriderUSA I too served during Viet Nam but was lucky enough to have never made it out of this country. It saddens me every time I hear that our valiant men and women are dying in a foreign country. Especially knowing how politics controls their actions and ties their hands. Politicians send them into battle and tell them what the can't do to defend themselves at the risk of court martial and prison time. Sick.

The USA is sitting on a time bomb right now, whether it is the Republican's fault or the Democrats does not matter. If none of them wake up and return to a law and order attitude that respects the rights of real citizens then we are all in for a very rocky future.

[sneedvegas]

I don't like secondhand smoke. I want to loose weight. However, I don't need the government to enforce my needs and wants. I think that under a normal operation of checks and balances no one would care if smoking was outlawed in restaurants or if the federal government promoted healthy living. Yet, because this administration has found a way around the checks and balances that keep our liberties, people are going to be offended and quick to rise at every loss of liberty. Enough has been taken. American blood has been shed for what we are now freely giving away.

[glwilson]

I don't believe I have ever read anything in our Constitution, or Bill of Rights stating that "health-care" is a right.

I have never believed anything that the government provides, or can provide, related to entitlements are ever a right.

By saying health-care and entitlements are a right of being a citizen in this country; then one is endorsing the right to tax others to pay for it... and a society enticed to do less for themselves.

While I have NEVER been a fan of JFK, I have to admit he has the best quote ever, and one that should be used today.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country."

We need more asking what they CAN DO FOR THIS COUNTRY... rather than the growing numbers asking WHAT CAN THIS COUNTRY DO FOR ME.

Until that changes... we are definitely in trouble. Europe was only the "Canary in the Coal Mine" to this very issue. ;)

I give about 10-20 years before the math no longer works.

[audiogooroo]

The math already doesn't work. We can put aside the political and moral issues and the bottom line is that the government cannot provide anything for anyone that it has not taken away from someone else. I am still a firm believer in the free market system. A free exchange of ideas and let the best idea win. Right now, there is not a free exchange of ideas, and both political parties are to blame.

[macmac]

I looked up BMI in google and still am ot sure what it means exactly but I get the idea.

I have to raise my own foods for the most part because there is 0 calories in modern store bought foods, and i will starve to death if i try to live on that. I burn calories i don't have. I am down to almost 145 now in summer, and am 58!

I respect Bill Mac's lodgic too, but i see both partys as just one.

I never respected obama, because he is nothing more to me than a 160 wonder. That and he couldn't talk for the first 6 months, Would utter ah and look up er and look up, umm and look up. Finally someone tipped him off to read the telepromters.

Next he bows to Japan, and the enemys we have right now. Another problem was the Nation Christmass tree, with communist world leaders, gay rights and other vulgar decorations on that tree for the world to see.

I have no idea if this guy is even American. He buried all his documents in an Interpol safe, out of reach of the courts.

So far he has spent big money on nothing that will impact the next 3 generations not yet born.

The health care is just another ponsi scheme, where the rich get richer. Greed and Power it's all greed and power.

As to this MBI thing I need clarification before I can understand it.

(Bill Mac, if this is a real name were are very close in names. I am mac at events because there is a Bill mac there too.)

Oh yeah....... When I see guys like you guys upset, not the type of guys that rile any to easy, guys who play by the rules all their lives it is impressive.

I was the odd man out in 87 when I got huirt on the job and for greed and power was cheated out of corrective back surgery. From thence til now i haven't played the game the way those in power would like me to do.

I figure they don't deserve any credit, or high paid welfare. So I find ways to trade for earnings, grow my own and make my own so i reduced costs.

There are times when being cash poor hurts, but then there are other things more important.

My worst fear is that something will happen to me, and I will be used for power and greed, against my will.

[Idaho]

Hey Mac, BMI is Body Mass Index. It is a ratio of your height and weight and is supposed to tell you if you are overweight and to what degree. It is scewed and screwed up.

For instance I stand six feet in my sock and weigh 230 pounds and according to the chart I am classified as Obese. I will grant that I need to loose 20 lubs but not the 40 that they say!

[Cajunrider]

Originally Posted by Idaho (High Plains Drifter)

Hey Mac, BMI is Body Mass Index. It is a ratio of your height and weight and is supposed to tell you if you are overweight and to what degree. It is scewed and screwed up.

For instance I stand six feet in my sock and weigh 230 pounds and according to the chart I am classified as Obese. I will grant that I need to loose 20 lubs but not the 40 that they say!

Well Bud, I guess I'm obese according to the BMI chart. I am 6' and weigh 227#.

[macmac]

Oh I see, well that didn't come up in google either. How do i rate 145 lbs with hairs .. err hold on my wife hasta' measure Ah 21 inches long and wet, and i stand 5'10"

if that reader says i am obese the meter reader is screwed.

But who cares; let us start at the top in the senate and congress. Now thar's a bunch of fat old geezers if ever there wuz any!

I am sayin' do any of them look like Greek Gods er what! LOL

[Cajunrider]

No but I can think of a couple that are Pedigreed Obese!

[macmac]

Yeah I like that, the pot calling the kettle black.
I might not have any college education, but i am not stupid. On the other hand all, these professional poly tics have a colleged education, and are stupid.
Go figure that out.

It's a good thing for professional poly tics to be above the law.