Judge's washers, where?

garyo4 · 02-08-2010, 03:05 PM

I'm getting the bike ready for some trailer hauling this coming summer so I'm about to change out the original clutch spring with a Barnett Meanie Streak spring. Figure while I'm at it I might as well put in the Judge's washers I've read about, but he hasn't responded to emails sent over a month ago. Does anyone have another source or email to get a set rather than the one on Gadget's site? My clutch isn't slipping (my bike only has 4,000 miles on it but I'm being a bit pro-active/anal).
I already have the Barnett spring, clutch cover gasket and exhaust gaskets....just trying to shorten the wait until spring time by tinkering with the old girl (the bike, not the missus).
Gary

cactusjack · 02-08-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gary-o

I'm getting the bike ready for some trailer hauling this coming summer so I'm about to change out the original clutch spring with a Barnett Meanie Streak spring. Figure while I'm at it I might as well put in the Judge's washers I've read about, but he hasn't responded to emails sent over a month ago. Does anyone have another source or email to get a set rather than the one on Gadget's site? My clutch isn't slipping (my bike only has 4,000 miles on it but I'm being a bit pro-active/anal).
I already have the Barnett spring, clutch cover gasket and exhaust gaskets....just trying to shorten the wait until spring time by tinkering with the old girl (the bike, not the missus).
Gary

Judge can be hard to reach. He told me he travels a lot for business. You don't need the Judge's washers with a Barnett clutch spring. BTW, the Barnett spring and the mean streak spring are two entirely different things. Which one do you have?

garyo4 · 02-08-2010, 03:29 PM

Sorry, my bad. I have the Barnett MT-25 clutch diaphram spring from Sherms Cycle Products in Oregon ($22.00). So I'm good to go?!

cactusjack · 02-08-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gary-o

Sorry, my bad. I have the Barnett MT-25 clutch diaphram spring from Sherms Cycle Products in Oregon ($22.00). So I'm good to go?!

I suppose you could put the Judge's washers in, but I replaced the stock clutch spring on my 2007 with the Barnett and it works just great.

garyo4 · 02-08-2010, 04:03 PM

OK, thanks. I'll wait for another month or so before switching it out, in case the Judge shows up.
Thanks again,
Gary

**Jared** · 02-09-2010, 10:57 AM

I thought is was only the 05 and older that needed a spring swap...? CJ- were you having issues?

cactusjack · 02-09-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah Motorcyclist

I thought is was only the 05 and older that needed a spring swap...? CJ- were you having issues?

My clutch starting slipping around 24,000 miles. Started about 3 weeks before Custer. I replaced the stock spring with a Barnett MT25 and haven't regretted it.

**Jared** · 02-09-2010, 04:10 PM

My last bike had 27K, but never had any problems. I don't think I've ever ridden a bike that was"slipping".

What is it like? Does the bike just pop out of gear into neutral?

garyo4 · 02-09-2010, 04:51 PM

Normally, a clutch that starts to slips looses grip on the friction plates and the engine will rev up as if you were pulling in on the clutch lever while driving.

cactusjack · 02-09-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah Motorcyclist

My last bike had 27K, but never had any problems. I don't think I've ever ridden a bike that was"slipping".

What is it like? Does the bike just pop out of gear into neutral?

No, that would be a transmission problem.

When it begins to slip, you will notice it in higher gears, like 4th and 5th. You twist the throttle, hard - like pulling out to pass someone and the engine revs high before the rear wheel starts pulling. Mine wasn't very bad, but since I was going to tow a trailer to Custer and back, I didn't want to take any chances.

clayton · 02-09-2010, 08:14 PM

I always knew that when I headed up a steep grade that if I didnt' downshift I could tell it was slipping by the sudden raise in rpm and no acceleration and it almost feels like your pulling in the clutch but not. So (on the Shadow) I would just adjust the cable and things were good to go.

**Jared** · 02-09-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cactusjack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah Motorcyclist

My last bike had 27K, but never had any problems. I don't think I've ever ridden a bike that was"slipping".

What is it like? Does the bike just pop out of gear into neutral?

No, that would be a transmission problem.

When it begins to slip, you will notice it in higher gears, like 4th and 5th. You twist the throttle, hard - like pulling out to pass someone and the engine revs high before the rear wheel starts pulling. Mine wasn't very bad, but since I was going to tow a trailer to Custer and back, I didn't want to take any chances.

Great explanation. I now know what to look for.

Didn't they swap the spring to the meanie spring on the new 06 and newer nomads?

dogdoc · 02-17-2010, 05:07 PM

I believe '05 and newer already come with the stiffer meanie spring. that was an improvement you can do on older models pre '05 to make the clutch a little firmer and more durable.

ndbigfish · 02-17-2010, 09:27 PM

Unless there is protection on the outside of the spring I would put in Judge's washers. My spring "fingers" were abraided half way through by 19,000 miles. The heavier spring is also a positive feature. I like not having the slipper style clutch either; which the washer set eliminates.

Scoot · 02-17-2010, 09:34 PM

Let me look when I get home.......I may still have his home and cell phone number on my old computer.

Coacha may have the number I think I remember giving it to him back when he was lookin to get a Jog. Judge's name is Bob and a really nice guy.

I'll look when i get home

02-08-2010, 03:05 PM	#1
garyo4 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 275	Judge's washers, where? I'm getting the bike ready for some trailer hauling this coming summer so I'm about to change out the original clutch spring with a Barnett Meanie Streak spring. Figure while I'm at it I might as well put in the Judge's washers I've read about, but he hasn't responded to emails sent over a month ago. Does anyone have another source or email to get a set rather than the one on Gadget's site? My clutch isn't slipping (my bike only has 4,000 miles on it but I'm being a bit pro-active/anal). I already have the Barnett spring, clutch cover gasket and exhaust gaskets....just trying to shorten the wait until spring time by tinkering with the old girl (the bike, not the missus). Gary Login or Register to Remove Ads
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02-08-2010, 03:29 PM	#3
garyo4 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 275	Judge's washers, where? Sorry, my bad. I have the Barnett MT-25 clutch diaphram spring from Sherms Cycle Products in Oregon ($22.00). So I'm good to go?!
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02-08-2010, 04:03 PM	#5
garyo4 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 275	Judge's washers, where? OK, thanks. I'll wait for another month or so before switching it out, in case the Judge shows up. Thanks again, Gary Login or Register to Remove Ads
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02-09-2010, 10:57 AM	#6
Jared Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greeley, Colorado Posts: 6,773	Judge's washers, where? I thought is was only the 05 and older that needed a spring swap...? CJ- were you having issues? __________________ Jared VBA #1051 (Former President)
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02-09-2010, 04:10 PM	#8
Jared Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greeley, Colorado Posts: 6,773	Judge's washers, where? My last bike had 27K, but never had any problems. I don't think I've ever ridden a bike that was"slipping". What is it like? Does the bike just pop out of gear into neutral? __________________ Jared VBA #1051 (Former President)
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02-09-2010, 04:51 PM	#9
garyo4 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 275	Judge's washers, where? Normally, a clutch that starts to slips looses grip on the friction plates and the engine will rev up as if you were pulling in on the clutch lever while driving.
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02-09-2010, 08:14 PM	#11
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	Judge's washers, where? I always knew that when I headed up a steep grade that if I didnt' downshift I could tell it was slipping by the sudden raise in rpm and no acceleration and it almost feels like your pulling in the clutch but not. So (on the Shadow) I would just adjust the cable and things were good to go. __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332
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02-17-2010, 05:07 PM	#13
dogdoc Top Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,263	Judge's washers, where? I believe '05 and newer already come with the stiffer meanie spring. that was an improvement you can do on older models pre '05 to make the clutch a little firmer and more durable.
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02-17-2010, 09:27 PM	#14
ndbigfish Sr. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Braunfels, Texas Posts: 1,162	Judge's washers, where? Unless there is protection on the outside of the spring I would put in Judge's washers. My spring "fingers" were abraided half way through by 19,000 miles. The heavier spring is also a positive feature. I like not having the slipper style clutch either; which the washer set eliminates. __________________ Brik VBA #1047 07 Electra Glide Ultra (43,300 & counting) 03 Nomad - 37,972 (traded 5/6/13) 99 Nomad - Only a memory since 4/27/13
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02-17-2010, 09:34 PM	#15
Scoot Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Selma, Alabama Posts: 878	Judge's washers, where? Let me look when I get home.......I may still have his home and cell phone number on my old computer. Coacha may have the number I think I remember giving it to him back when he was lookin to get a Jog. Judge's name is Bob and a really nice guy. I'll look when i get home __________________ 2002 1500 VBA #00077 _____________________ 2013 Ultra Classic (Pearl White)
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