Gun Owners and New IRS Rules

[Cajunrider]

I am in the process of trying to get this verified by my US Senator. If this is true, who knows what's next on their agenda! :(" title="" border="0"/>


MORE CHANGE!!!

PLEASE READ......

Gun owners...look what's on the 2010 tax return....

As if we didn't have enough to get upset about!

It begins... more Freedom gone.... the right to protect yourself and your family gone! Now ALL GUNS must be listed on your next (2010) tax return!

Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own.
It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.
This bill was introduced on February 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT, this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act of 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all. Trust Obama? You must be kidding!

The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage: www.senate.gov. You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099. You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.

Text of H.R.45 as Introduced in House: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009: www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
Obama's Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply.

It has begun... Whatever Obama's "Secret Master Plan" is... this is just the 'tip of the iceberg!'

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar as a 'minor' IRS revision, and, as usual, the 'political' lawmakers did not read this bill before signing and approving it!

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Goggle HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless: 1) It is registered 2) You are fingerprinted 3) You supply a current Driver's License 4) You supply your Social Security number 5) You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
Each update change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25. Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 years in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this.. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family pass this along.
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not..

<Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress) <http://Thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45> :

<H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress <http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show>

<H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) <http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45>

Please.... copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all should have the right to choose.

[macmac]

Well I for one will not have a thing to do with any of that. They can make all the paper law they want, but who the hell will enforce illegal law? This is an act of terror from with in and the Declaration of Independance directly says what should be done in the first 4 paragraphs.

[ringadingh]

That certainly sounds like a gun registry to me. It similar to the one we have here. Now what the police are doing is checking who hasn't renewed the possesion and aquisition certificate you are required to have and they come knocking. If you don't renew it they confiscate your guns. Although just last week a bill to scrap our gun registry won its first vote in parlament. With any luck it will pass the next couple stages and be done away with. This is for our long guns only. Handguns will still have to be registered as always. Hopefully there can be something done your way so this doesn't happen.

[Jared]

AMEN MAC!

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[macmac]

I plan to copy and paste this to Gunsnet where I go. Is this ok with you?

[Jared]

Who knows if this is true or not, but after doing a search, like it says to do, I couldn't find any information supporting the claims. I did find a lot of information claiming that it was an e-mail hoax.

[ringadingh]

Send Obama an email and ask him. See what they say.

[macmac]

Maybe it isn't true.... I went here http://www.senate.gov./ searched this SB-2099

and I got a FAQ like window and it says this isn't true...

That would be the best thing, since before I give up my guns i will shed blood. I simply will not live a world where owing guns for keeping my liberty and anyone elses isn't important.

I can't pay any 50 dollar tax on each gun I have and wouldn't if I could.

I blame the Govt for the crime we have today directly. The system is and has been broken a long time, and this has had a direct result on my family.

The murders of Easter 99 are not long forgotten with me, nor is the shooting I was forced to do myself to protect my first wife, my infant son and myself.

I didn't like being told the police are not my personal body guards when I asked for assistance 4 times. And the to Serve and Protect is a sort of in general thing.

I don't mind life with a 50/ 50 chance, but a 0 % chance won't cut it and I will cut down or try to cut down anyone no matter who he is or how much power he claims to have backed up by anyone, before i surrender one gun.

I am going to die one day anyway, and I really don't care. No hurry to get there, but I really don't care when. I am no tuff guy and no arm chair warrior either, but if the day comes that a law like this came to effect I would be as much hell in a small package as I possible could be, and even if I am alone.

My father didn't fight in WW-2 for this BS, and my whole family has been in wars ever since and some before the Untited States was..

A bunch of carpet baggers bleed red blood just like me..

You will note many of these anti's also have hire mercs with full auto weapons to protect them.... This I hope is BS, and I hope is wrong. If it is I would rather be tipped off just the same.

[Cajunrider]

I sent an email to our senator who is a gun owner/carrier advocate asking if there was anything to this. I normally get a reply from him within a couple of days. I'm sure the Thanksgiving Holidays will delay his reply until next week. I posted this to see if anyone else had seen it and sought/received feedback on it. It may well be only rumor. I feel that if there is such a bill pending and it was signed into law, the bloodiest revolution imaginable would take place. I will still persue an explanation about it. I will post what I find out as an update to this thread. Mac, you can copy and paste this wherever you feel.

[lw]

That Thomas Jefferson was a right smart feller.

Originally Posted by Utah Motorcyclist

AMEN MAC!

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[papat]

This is what I found on SB 2099

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar.../aa091900a.htm

[ringadingh]

Thats good news that its just a rumour, but you never know when the antis try to slip one in past you.

[oldbikers]

From what I can find this is not a new bill nor does it have any thing to do with the IRS or your 1040, it is a bill that has been reintroduced to congress in 2009 but the first time it was introduced it didn't get a single vote. Now my info may not be correct but I do remember getting a letter a couple of years back on the H.R. 45 bill after Blair Holt was shot and killed.
I hope that the elected officials of this country realize that if they try to impose this kind of law on the American people then most Americans will become LAW BREAKERS.

[Cajunrider]

Looks like you are right Jim. It was introduced to congress in 2009 and didn't go anywhere. What concerned me when I first read it is how quiet Obama and the other two branches are about gun control. When Clinton was in office that was a hot topic, just behind Monica. Ammunition prices skyrocketed and the Brady bill was signed into law prohibiting magazines with more than 10 round capacity and the importation of certain rifles and shotguns. W and the senate did not renew it when it expired and you don't hear anything about this administration persuing it. That to me is the scary part, you don't hear anything.

[macmac]

I am life in NRA... When I first see this sort of thing I wonder, but I used to see red.

This is a sneaky one though, adding IRS into the mix.

This Admin is not my Admin and I an bidding my time to hopefully wait it out, like a bad case of diareia (sp) because to me this is what it is.

Now if you add this bill, which I don't doubt was real, and just wasn't accted on, into the mess of that the income tax was never ratified in the first place, was intended to pay off WW-1, and be recinded, that this means there is no legal reason to pay income taxes, and less legal reasons for there to be any IRS at all.

The Sentate and Congress know what happens when they tamper in gun law.. That means they get to go flip burgers in Micky Dee's...

it won't fly.... It has been said Obama will try, and may even bring in UN Blue Hats.. Fine by me as a fat lite blue hat is just another target to me. It would be an act of Treason.

First blue hat seen should be enough to have the chosen one arrested.

Americans don't have to take this BS, because we can be armed.

Americans are bigger than the UN.

Hell if we are having a bad time of a few thousand fighters in Afganistan, can you imagine the problems the UN would have inside the USA?

No one seemingly can clean up chitcago, LA, and other gangs relate gettos.... The UN would have to do that, and at the same time deal with guys like me....

If this happens buy stock in body bags.