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cactusjack · 03-28-2011, 12:45 AM

AZ Bike week is this week. It is always marred by tragedy. The woman killed in this crash was the publisher of the AZ Motorcycle Guide, a local monthly magazine for bikers. She was well known throughout the AZ motorcycle community. I just heard on the new that the driver of the Nissan will face no criminal charges.

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The woman killed Saturday afternoon in a collision between a motorcycle and a Nissan Rogue at 43rd Avenue and Bell Road has been identified as Kimberly Chapman, 55.

She and an unidentified man of about 60 were on a 1995 Harley-Davidson headed east on Bell just before 5 p.m. At the intersection, a westbound 2011 Nissan Rogue driven by an unidentified 22-year-old man turned left in front of the motorcycle.

The older man was hospitalized in serious condition. The cyclists were not wearing helmets. Police said the driven of the Nissan was not impaired.

cactusjack · 03-29-2011, 04:36 PM

And another Bike Week fatality...

A Scottsdale man was killed in a motorcycle accident on Scottsdale Road at Grayhawk Drive about 4:25 p.m. Monday, police said Tuesday.

Allan Wynn, 64, was heading north on Scottsdale Road on his 2007 Honda Goldwing motorcycle when it collided with an SUV driven by a 71-year-old Scottsdale woman, police said. The driver of the SUV was turning left onto Grayhawk and apparently failed to yield, police said.

Wynn was thrown off the motorcycle and suffered fatal injuries, police said.

No citations yet have been issued, police said.

**nomadtom69** · 03-29-2011, 04:52 PM

Both turning left in front of both bikes and not one charged with failure to YIELD someone needs to talk to the law enforcement in AZ

cactusjack · 03-29-2011, 04:55 PM

In my opinion, failure to yield resulting in death should be negligent manslaughter. In the first story, the driver said he didn't see the bike. How is that not negligent? I just don't get it.

**nomadtom69** · 03-29-2011, 05:06 PM

Unless the biker is Hauling A$$ and exceeding the speed then the one turning in front ought to be charged bet he would not turn in front of a semi. Second thought I had a kid turn in front of me in a jeep that the hood was 4 foot tall(mudder) but I missed him and read him is rights after I changed underwear.

**glwilson** · 03-29-2011, 06:20 PM

My sig-pics show an accident clock. It indicates the direction from which most motorcycle accidents occur. It plainly shows that a majority of accidents occur when a cage is turning left in front of a motorcycle.

I obviously don't know the circumstances to these accidents; but I have often seen riders "blowing-down" streets without consideration of any cages along the route that might turn in front of them. I figure each one of those riders are merely waiting their turn to be a statistic.

Sorry to hear about the two deaths though. That is never news one wants to hear.

Our passion can be a dangerous one, and I assume we all are aware of that fact. I have told my family if something were to happen to me when riding, they should know I am quite aware of the risks involved; but however I choose to ride anyway.

cactusjack · 03-29-2011, 10:45 PM

Another one today. Rider was apparently at fault this time.

A motorcyclist is in critical condition after colliding with a pickup truck in north Phoenix on Tuesday afternoon.

Police said the motorcycle rider was apparently heading west on Deer Valley Road when he ran a red light at 23rd Avenue and collided with the pickup,which was making a left onto Deer Valley. The rider was taken to a local hospital with severe injuries, according to Sgt. Tommy Thompson, a spokesman for the Phoenix Police Department.

egetaseb · 03-31-2011, 12:51 PM

WTF? In one week?

**Top Cat** · 03-31-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by egetaseb

WTF? In one week?

When ever you get a lot of bikes together as is happening in Arizona for bike week you will see many accidents as CJ said.
That being said, lets all BE CAREFUL when riding and at the NATIONAL

egetaseb · 03-31-2011, 01:13 PM

I have never attended a large gathering of bikes. I was to attend rolling thunder last year but my buddy's bike broke down on the ride to D.C. I will still like to attend an event with a lot of bikers but I am not so sure anymore. I understand and accept the risks associated with riding in general but why increase that risk?

**Top Cat** · 03-31-2011, 02:00 PM

Your not increasing the risk.
You just hear about it in the news more if it happens at a large gathering.
The more bikes the better chance of one of those bikes crashing.
The risk to you is the same as ever.
Besides, it is a freekin' riot to get together with with old friends and making new ones.

**nomadtom69** · 03-31-2011, 02:02 PM

Main thing is ride your ride the way you ride and watch out for everyone else does that sound right ???

Loafer · 03-31-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nomadtom69

Main thing is ride your ride the way you ride and watch out for everyone else does that sound right ???

If you don't like the way someone is riding, drop back a couple places. And keep an eye on everything. You will be fine. ;)

cactusjack · 03-31-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by egetaseb

WTF? In one week?

There was one I missed and couldn't find the story again on azcentral.com.

That's 4 since Saturday. Usually we average one per day during bike week. Just the ones serious enough to make the news.

Loafer · 03-31-2011, 03:31 PM

In Laconia Bike Week they average 5 deaths on MC's every year.

03-28-2011, 12:45 AM	#1
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Riders down AZ Bike week is this week. It is always marred by tragedy. The woman killed in this crash was the publisher of the AZ Motorcycle Guide, a local monthly magazine for bikers. She was well known throughout the AZ motorcycle community. I just heard on the new that the driver of the Nissan will face no criminal charges. ------------------------- The woman killed Saturday afternoon in a collision between a motorcycle and a Nissan Rogue at 43rd Avenue and Bell Road has been identified as Kimberly Chapman, 55. She and an unidentified man of about 60 were on a 1995 Harley-Davidson headed east on Bell just before 5 p.m. At the intersection, a westbound 2011 Nissan Rogue driven by an unidentified 22-year-old man turned left in front of the motorcycle. The older man was hospitalized in serious condition. The cyclists were not wearing helmets. Police said the driven of the Nissan was not impaired. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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03-29-2011, 04:36 PM	#2
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Riders down And another Bike Week fatality... A Scottsdale man was killed in a motorcycle accident on Scottsdale Road at Grayhawk Drive about 4:25 p.m. Monday, police said Tuesday. Allan Wynn, 64, was heading north on Scottsdale Road on his 2007 Honda Goldwing motorcycle when it collided with an SUV driven by a 71-year-old Scottsdale woman, police said. The driver of the SUV was turning left onto Grayhawk and apparently failed to yield, police said. Wynn was thrown off the motorcycle and suffered fatal injuries, police said. No citations yet have been issued, police said. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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03-29-2011, 04:52 PM	#3
nomadtom69 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maryville, Tn Posts: 2,657	Riders down Both turning left in front of both bikes and not one charged with failure to YIELD someone needs to talk to the law enforcement in AZ __________________ (NomadTom69)Tom Green Previous bikes - 2004 BMW R1200 CLC 2006 Nomad 1600 Black -1985 BMW K100 RT VBA #001609 Viet-Nam Vet 71-72 Maryville , Tn. Maggie Valley '11-Townsend '12-Estes Park '13- Copperhead fall rally "13- Elkins WV '14- Eureka Springs ' 15- Helen Ga. SE Rally '16
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03-29-2011, 04:55 PM	#4
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Riders down In my opinion, failure to yield resulting in death should be negligent manslaughter. In the first story, the driver said he didn't see the bike. How is that not negligent? I just don't get it. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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03-29-2011, 05:06 PM	#5
nomadtom69 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maryville, Tn Posts: 2,657	Riders down Unless the biker is Hauling A$$ and exceeding the speed then the one turning in front ought to be charged bet he would not turn in front of a semi. Second thought I had a kid turn in front of me in a jeep that the hood was 4 foot tall(mudder) but I missed him and read him is rights after I changed underwear. __________________ (NomadTom69)Tom Green Previous bikes - 2004 BMW R1200 CLC 2006 Nomad 1600 Black -1985 BMW K100 RT VBA #001609 Viet-Nam Vet 71-72 Maryville , Tn. Maggie Valley '11-Townsend '12-Estes Park '13- Copperhead fall rally "13- Elkins WV '14- Eureka Springs ' 15- Helen Ga. SE Rally '16 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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03-29-2011, 06:20 PM	#6
glwilson Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 8,575	Riders down My sig-pics show an accident clock. It indicates the direction from which most motorcycle accidents occur. It plainly shows that a majority of accidents occur when a cage is turning left in front of a motorcycle. I obviously don't know the circumstances to these accidents; but I have often seen riders "blowing-down" streets without consideration of any cages along the route that might turn in front of them. I figure each one of those riders are merely waiting their turn to be a statistic. Sorry to hear about the two deaths though. That is never news one wants to hear. Our passion can be a dangerous one, and I assume we all are aware of that fact. I have told my family if something were to happen to me when riding, they should know I am quite aware of the risks involved; but however I choose to ride anyway. __________________ "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." "You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts." *Former VBA NCR Assist Regional Leader* Formerly: 2004 1500FI Bronze Nomad: 2009 & 2014 HD Ultra Current Rides: 2017 HD Ultra Limited & 2011 Can Am Spyder RTS-SE Attended: VBA National Rallies 2009, 2011, 2015; VBA/NCR Regional Rally 2010, 12, 14, 16 and several rides throughout with regional members. VBA Member #652 HOG Member #3935417
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03-29-2011, 10:45 PM	#7
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Riders down Another one today. Rider was apparently at fault this time. A motorcyclist is in critical condition after colliding with a pickup truck in north Phoenix on Tuesday afternoon. Police said the motorcycle rider was apparently heading west on Deer Valley Road when he ran a red light at 23rd Avenue and collided with the pickup,which was making a left onto Deer Valley. The rider was taken to a local hospital with severe injuries, according to Sgt. Tommy Thompson, a spokesman for the Phoenix Police Department. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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03-31-2011, 12:51 PM	#8
egetaseb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 238	Riders down WTF? In one week? __________________ Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. KawaNOW #00755
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03-31-2011, 01:13 PM	#10
egetaseb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 238	Riders down I have never attended a large gathering of bikes. I was to attend rolling thunder last year but my buddy's bike broke down on the ride to D.C. I will still like to attend an event with a lot of bikers but I am not so sure anymore. I understand and accept the risks associated with riding in general but why increase that risk? __________________ Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. KawaNOW #00755
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03-31-2011, 02:00 PM	#11
Top Cat Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of New York State Posts: 15,154	Riders down Your not increasing the risk. You just hear about it in the news more if it happens at a large gathering. The more bikes the better chance of one of those bikes crashing. The risk to you is the same as ever. Besides, it is a freekin' riot to get together with with old friends and making new ones. __________________ Tim "TC" Conley VBA #9 2011 Victory Kingpin mine 2013 Victory Boardwalk -hers [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [SIZE=4]
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03-31-2011, 02:02 PM	#12
nomadtom69 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maryville, Tn Posts: 2,657	Riders down Main thing is ride your ride the way you ride and watch out for everyone else does that sound right ??? __________________ (NomadTom69)Tom Green Previous bikes - 2004 BMW R1200 CLC 2006 Nomad 1600 Black -1985 BMW K100 RT VBA #001609 Viet-Nam Vet 71-72 Maryville , Tn. Maggie Valley '11-Townsend '12-Estes Park '13- Copperhead fall rally "13- Elkins WV '14- Eureka Springs ' 15- Helen Ga. SE Rally '16
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03-31-2011, 03:31 PM	#15
Loafer Sr. Contributor Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 18,287	Riders down In Laconia Bike Week they average 5 deaths on MC's every year. __________________ Gerry Martineau / 802 VT / VBA #0892 /[email]glmjgm@gmail.com[email]
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