Glock pistol

[papat]

Anyone been to a glock armorer school or maybe have any information on the gen4 model 19 having recoil spring trouble.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Wish I could help you. I own a Colt 45 which is the same pistol I used in the Army. Pretty simple to work on but don't know a thing about the Glock. I am sure someone will be able to help you.

[Cajunrider]

I haven't been to an armorer school but I do my own maintenance on my 22 and 27 models. I haven't heard of any widespread problems with the Gen 4 recoil springs but they are fairly new. I can refer you to the Concealed Carry and Glock Carry forums. They post regular reviews on Glocks and they will readily answer any questions you may have. The worst I've heard about the 4th generation models is the rough grips that tend to scratch and chafe the midsection skin when carrying inside the waistband.

[macmac]

Sorry colt type of guy.. I need levers and switchs to feel secure.

[papat]

Thanks guys most of the information has come from a glock forum, just thought i would try here. macmac i do agree colt has way more class! The price with my EMT/FF id makes glock a nice deal. Right now seams the recoil spring is strong for the 9mm to function with some of the cheaper target ammo. So any one wanting a new gen 4 might do your homework before instead of after like ME.

[Cajunrider]

I had a Colt Gold Cup National Match in .38 Super arrive in my mailbox this morning for transfer to a customer. A gorgeous 1911 in SS with OEM brown wood grips. The guy paid $1,700 for it. He's a 1911 nut and a CPA. He's been building a very nice collection of Colt 1911's and it appears that money is no object. Must be nice.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Mitch do you do a little gun dealing? I almost got into it at one time. I knew a man that sold guns out of his house. He would normally give you a good deal. I bought a nice special model Remington 1100 from him back thirty something years ago. He was in the car business and sold guns on the side. Don't know if he sold pistols but he sold rifles and shotguns.

[macmac]

Stonger springs than from the days of yore seem more typical these days. but I don't know why really. I supppose alloy and plastic frame parts, maybe mim parts are why.

Oddly I don't own any colt, but have a Colt clone Remington Rand made for WW-2, A real gun, and that spring is far lighter than the one in my Kimber CDP Pro II.

I had the idea the Kimber was more like colt that it is. Nice enough gun, very colt looking, but the parts won't interchange well.

Maybe on day I will get a more colt like clone, that can interchange parts better.

I know les bauer can interchange parts, because i did it between the RR and one of LB's.

The LB owner was astonished.

As close to a plastic gun as I ever got and due to being curious was a EAA Witness compact. I still have that, but haven't seen it in a long time. It works like clock work, is fair in accuracy, but I don't care for double wide mags and the wider grip, plus it makes me look fat!

It came with on 8rnd mag, and while it can take a 10 rnd mag, any mags for it are out of sight cash wise. It does have a feature I like, which is starting in double action and switching to single.

I don't know a thing about glock except I don't care for that same wide feel they appear to have, and I am not sold on that funky trigger safety. I know that that safety must be pulled along with the trigger for a shot to be fired at all, and that is sound reasoning, but there are people out there that do fiddle and play with odd devices and a shot can and will be fired if they pull the trigger.

I understand well that to fire any gun one needs to pull the trigger, and that untill you want hot lead sent doown range, you don't put a finger on the trigger, but I think Glock still needs another lever safety.

I don't know if that trigger safety locks the trigger, sear, or firing pin, it has to lock at least one of them.

And then I am kinda old school, and a gun has to be just so, in the old way. Even the Kimber is a bit of a stretch for me. Second gun in a pistol I ever had not blue. I an not sold on the 3rd safty it has either, which is Schwartz firing pin lock. It works, but to me is extra junk. The Colts were made right the first time.

[papat]

Not only stronger they changed to a duel spring system ??? from something that has worked for years.

Kimber has put out a bunch of pistols in the past few years and seem to be of good quality, i replaced a colt gold cup with a Kimber cdp a few years ago.

Gun safety comes down to
Keep your finger off the dang trigger
Keep your dang finger off the trigger

Glock has all three safeties the one you see on the trigger, blocks movement of the trigger
firing pin safety wont let the pin hit primer unless trigger is pulled and drop safety

mac i can see you wearing a mil spec colt 1911

[macmac]

My Rand is mil spec WW-2 vintage, made late war and beat up a bit, but before i bought it. No tellin how and where, and so far it ain't tawkin'. I bought it site un-seen. The goobermint in it's all knowin god blessed power decided to discard these weapons, and to replace them with the current side arm. (comments with held)

The NRA bought every last one of these historic natured guns also sight un-seen, and offered them as a set of no less than 3 to any PD wanting in the USA.

I had the choice of a real Colt, the Rand, Union Switch (I am a fool) and Singer. Well in my dinkweed town there was the chief and 2 other cops and the chief already had a modified colt 45 that ran in double action switching to single on the first shot, and didn't want any junk guns. LOL he was a fool too and should have chosen Union Switch.

So that left 2 cops drooling and no way to get that 3rd gun. One of these 2 brains took it upon themselves to ask the cheif about me and if i could be counted as a cop. The chief oked it before i was even aware.

The day I found out the 2 cops showed up in the door yard siren blarring, and me wanting to go kill the both of them for spookin my horse!

Like 2 bad puppies they came on the run waving a paper, sayin pick one.

I scanned the paper, thought if I am locked in my barn will I be able to hit a 4x8 sheet of T 1-11 ? The Rand was in the middle of the prices so I chose it that way.

I still recall that paper, and how it made a Great Claim to the NEW real rosewood grips and the GOLD NRA medalion inlet into EACH one. Oh Boy, and I wanted the WW-2 vintage tan plastic.

The rear site looks like someone drove a nail with it, and for all I know they did. The parker is about gone, but no rust forms since it gets carried.

I haven't done and won't a damnned thing to it other than oil it and shoot it. It shoots just fine with what I assume is a Nam rebuild and a colt barrel. I have had every last part out of it for cleaning, and back twice now. The first time there was goobers in there right out of a swamp.

It ain't very pretty on the outside, but that don't matter to me, it what's on the inside that matters.

Seems I heard that line somewhere before. I think my mother said it about some dawg she wanted me to date once.

Well that Kimber, seems like Miss Kimber to me. All fancy on the outside, but on the inside there is a few things I don't like and am not sure I should trust, but it runs right, hits right, and a tad smaller than the Rand. I think she is a little tender around the edges still, and a heavy maint keeper.

I would have prefered a Kimber CDP Pro 1 I guess. Being who and what I am, I run life in the KISS mode most of the time. I am the type that wants a gun to work anywhere, in all weather, dirty or not. It must or i can't trust it. Not too tight and not too loose.

The .45 acp rnd to me is a mid range to Oh sh*t weapon, and to use it means i am on the way to git my shot gun.

For longer work I would want a rifle, and if i couldn't have one a .44 mag. Those used to make my ears ring, but no more. My ears have adapted and a .44 seems to be silence now.

I sort of fear any street punk and me having to exhange words, just to tell me he wants something.

Dude: Gimmie all yer money!

Me: I don't have any honey, ate that hours ago at breakfast!

Dude: Don't 'be' f***** wid me Man gimmie yer money

Me: I ain't gay, and No I refuse to be yer Honey

Well off out into the garden Killin's need done. ::)

My that was long HUH !

[NRiderUSA]

So the jest of it was you have a pistol, and a rifle and dont mess with you......right?

[macmac]

Naw, I don't think that's what I mean at all.

I can't even figure how you came to that conclusion.

[NRiderUSA]

Maybe it was me thinking outloud about me??

[papat]

Update-- Well it appears this glock is a little picky on the brand of ammo it wants bought a box of Federal range ammo same weight of bullet and fps about the same but the overall length a little longer. Runs them fine.

[Cajunrider]

Originally Posted by papa t

Update-- Well it appears this glock is a little picky on the brand of ammo it wants bought a box of Federal range ammo same weight of bullet and fps about the same but the overall length a little longer. Runs them fine.

After you run a few hundred rounds it will more than likely loosen up and eat anything. I'm sure you already know to only use jacketed bullets in your Glock. The polygonal barrel grooves will pack up with lead if the bullets are not jacketed.