Voyager dies when cold won't restart.

H8BUGZ · 10-28-2014, 03:14 PM

First off, I know this is self inflected, but is it normal? On a couple of cold days, I have started my 2012 Voyager 1700 to run it outside the garage while I put on my gear. Both times I put the kickstand down while in gear and it died as intended. Problem is it won't restart. It spins over like there is no compression. I have discovered that it must be fuel flooded. I have to hold the throttle wide open before turning the switch on and cranking to get it to "clean out". This is the same "de-choke" process used on fuel injected automobiles. Any thoughts?????

**Top Cat** · 10-28-2014, 04:17 PM

Not being a wise ass but my thought would be for you to put the bike in neutral before you put the sidestsnd down

H8BUGZ · 10-28-2014, 05:33 PM

TopCat, that was my first thought also. Simple solution. But it is not normal for a no start after a safety device acts appropriately. It would be great to come to this forum and get only fact. But we both know that rarely happens. I do see the humor and hope to find neutral.

ACDCfn · 10-28-2014, 06:02 PM

Have to disagree with Top Cat. Kill switches commonly go bad on many bikes and many use side stand in stead of a kill switch. This is not particular to VN1700 or Kawasakis, many riders including myself do it on all bikes. Side stand kill switch tends to be more reliable. Using it should not cause any problems. Don't know what is causing your voyager not to start but I doubt it is related in any way to using side stand as a kill switch. Does not matter if you kill it in neutral or in gear, using traditional kill switch or side stand.

**Top Cat** · 10-28-2014, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by H8BUGZ

TopCat, that was my first thought also. Simple solution. But it is not normal for a no start after a safety device acts appropriately. It would be great to come to this forum and get only fact. But we both know that rarely happens. I do see the humor and hope to find neutral.

Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I was not trying to be funny, L was serious. If I were having the problem you are I would just put the bike in neutral while warming up.
If you use the kill switch while it is warming up does it do the same thing?

**ringadingh** · 10-28-2014, 06:37 PM

Will the bike restart later on, if so, how much later? Or does it require a boost or charge. The battery may be getting weak and needs to be replaced, and the throttle body or air filter may need cleaning.

H8BUGZ · 10-28-2014, 08:34 PM

The first time this happened, I thought battery too. I had the dealer load test the battery and it was ok. This only happens on cold engine starts and after less than a couple minutes run time. It spins/cranks over easily. It will start when you use the de-choke procedure, but runs on one cylinder for a couple minutes before it cleans out and runs normally. I can't say that the exhaust smells rich, but the restart procedure suggest to me "flooded". It just bothers me that a common mistake that activates a safety device causes a no/difficult start.

redjay · 10-28-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by H8BUGZ

The first time this happened, I thought battery too. I had the dealer load test the battery and it was ok. This only happens on cold engine starts and after less than a couple minutes run time. It spins/cranks over easily. It will start when you use the de-choke procedure, but runs on one cylinder for a couple minutes before it cleans out and runs normally. I can't say that the exhaust smells rich, but the restart procedure suggest to me "flooded". It just bothers me that a common mistake that activates a safety device causes a no/difficult start.

What is the de-choke procedure ?
I had none of the symptoms you describe. I had a 2010 Voyager.
Do you have an aftermarket fuel processor ?

tonik · 10-28-2014, 10:16 PM

What do your plugs look like? Almost sounds like they are on the edge of crapping out and the extra gas from the side stand kill is pushing them over the edge. Or maybe a weak spark. I shut my bike off often the way you do, been doing it all my life. Never had any restart issues with my Voyager.

Silent Sam · 10-29-2014, 03:45 AM

My 02 Nomad has the "flooding problem" on cold start up below about 45-50 degree's(f)

I havent cured it..but having to many cases of frost bite, I very seldom try to ride in those temps, and thus the issue is not very urgent in my case !...Good Luck !

**ringadingh** · 10-29-2014, 09:49 AM

Perhaps you need new plug wires, mine got hard to start, and wouldn't start in the rain or damp weather. New wires and caps made a huge difference.

Silent Sam · 10-29-2014, 02:32 PM

After thinking on your problem over night...my lightening quick mind thought to mention...after a kick stand shut-down switch situation....try RE-CYCLEING The Ignition Switch (ie: shut it completely off and wait a few seconds..then try a re-start...a "tip-over kill switch" event, will also require a ignition switch re-set ! )

Sin City Stan · 10-29-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent Sam

After thinking on your problem over night...my lightening quick mind thought to mention...after a kick stand shut-down switch situation....try RE-CYCLEING The Ignition Switch (ie: shut it completely off and wait a few seconds..then try a re-start...a "tip-over kill switch" event, will also require a ignition switch re-set ! )

Beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like rebooting the ECU.

rick6375 · 10-30-2014, 12:58 AM

I had a simular problem last year on my 12 Voyager about starting. Did it about 8-10 times over a 2 week period, but not the kickstand issue, and hot or cold. Cranked fine but no start. Some times it ran on 1 cylinder, or seemed like it, after it finally did start. Took back to dealer and the could not duplicate it, and hasnt done it since. They said possibly bad gas. Only had it about 3 months with about 5000 miles at the time.

Gypsy Dragon · 10-30-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Silent Sam

After thinking on your problem over night...my lightening quick mind thought to mention...after a kick stand shut-down switch situation....try RE-CYCLEING The Ignition Switch (ie: shut it completely off and wait a few seconds..then try a re-start...a "tip-over kill switch" event, will also require a ignition switch re-set ! )

+1
Also, when it starts and is only running on one, cycle the ignition, then re-start. I've had that happen a few times, too.

10-28-2014, 03:14 PM	#1
H8BUGZ Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Midwest Posts: 273	Voyager dies when cold won't restart. First off, I know this is self inflected, but is it normal? On a couple of cold days, I have started my 2012 Voyager 1700 to run it outside the garage while I put on my gear. Both times I put the kickstand down while in gear and it died as intended. Problem is it won't restart. It spins over like there is no compression. I have discovered that it must be fuel flooded. I have to hold the throttle wide open before turning the switch on and cranking to get it to "clean out". This is the same "de-choke" process used on fuel injected automobiles. Any thoughts????? Login or Register to Remove Ads
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10-28-2014, 04:17 PM	#2
Top Cat Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of New York State Posts: 15,154	Not being a wise ass but my thought would be for you to put the bike in neutral before you put the sidestsnd down __________________ Tim "TC" Conley VBA #9 2011 Victory Kingpin mine 2013 Victory Boardwalk -hers [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [SIZE=4]
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10-28-2014, 06:37 PM	#6
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	Will the bike restart later on, if so, how much later? Or does it require a boost or charge. The battery may be getting weak and needs to be replaced, and the throttle body or air filter may need cleaning. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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10-28-2014, 08:34 PM	#7
H8BUGZ Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Midwest Posts: 273	Cold Start Only The first time this happened, I thought battery too. I had the dealer load test the battery and it was ok. This only happens on cold engine starts and after less than a couple minutes run time. It spins/cranks over easily. It will start when you use the de-choke procedure, but runs on one cylinder for a couple minutes before it cleans out and runs normally. I can't say that the exhaust smells rich, but the restart procedure suggest to me "flooded". It just bothers me that a common mistake that activates a safety device causes a no/difficult start.
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10-29-2014, 09:49 AM	#11
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	Perhaps you need new plug wires, mine got hard to start, and wouldn't start in the rain or damp weather. New wires and caps made a huge difference. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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10-28-2014, 05:33 PM	#3
H8BUGZ Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Midwest Posts: 273	TopCat, that was my first thought also. Simple solution. But it is not normal for a no start after a safety device acts appropriately. It would be great to come to this forum and get only fact. But we both know that rarely happens. I do see the humor and hope to find neutral.
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10-28-2014, 06:02 PM	#4
ACDCfn Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 113	Have to disagree with Top Cat. Kill switches commonly go bad on many bikes and many use side stand in stead of a kill switch. This is not particular to VN1700 or Kawasakis, many riders including myself do it on all bikes. Side stand kill switch tends to be more reliable. Using it should not cause any problems. Don't know what is causing your voyager not to start but I doubt it is related in any way to using side stand as a kill switch. Does not matter if you kill it in neutral or in gear, using traditional kill switch or side stand.
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10-28-2014, 10:16 PM	#9
tonik Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 714	What do your plugs look like? Almost sounds like they are on the edge of crapping out and the extra gas from the side stand kill is pushing them over the edge. Or maybe a weak spark. I shut my bike off often the way you do, been doing it all my life. Never had any restart issues with my Voyager.
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10-29-2014, 03:45 AM	#10
Silent Sam Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: On The Shakey Side Posts: 2,501	My 02 Nomad has the "flooding problem" on cold start up below about 45-50 degree's(f) I havent cured it..but having to many cases of frost bite, I very seldom try to ride in those temps, and thus the issue is not very urgent in my case !...Good Luck !
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10-29-2014, 02:32 PM	#12
Silent Sam Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: On The Shakey Side Posts: 2,501	After thinking on your problem over night...my lightening quick mind thought to mention...after a kick stand shut-down switch situation....try RE-CYCLEING The Ignition Switch (ie: shut it completely off and wait a few seconds..then try a re-start...a "tip-over kill switch" event, will also require a ignition switch re-set ! )
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10-30-2014, 12:58 AM	#14
rick6375 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Castle, In. Posts: 365	I had a simular problem last year on my 12 Voyager about starting. Did it about 8-10 times over a 2 week period, but not the kickstand issue, and hot or cold. Cranked fine but no start. Some times it ran on 1 cylinder, or seemed like it, after it finally did start. Took back to dealer and the could not duplicate it, and hasnt done it since. They said possibly bad gas. Only had it about 3 months with about 5000 miles at the time. __________________ 2005 800 Classic 2012 Voyager ABS
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