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11-23-2011, 05:25 PM | #1 |
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ABS question
There are members on here, you know who you are, that like ABS and there are members on here, we know who we are, that don't.
I am going to quote a sentence from my latest edition of Motorcycle Consumer News and then would like some of your opinions on the statement. Also our highly skilled tester, Danny Coe, can often brake with just enough force to keep the ABS from engaging on many models, often reducing stopping distance. This tells me if you slam on the brakes with ABS the stopping distance is longer. What do you guys think?
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That's what I think. I was leading a group across Tucson last Saturday and approaching an intersection, the light turned yellow. Had I been on my Nomad, I would have continued. In fact, had I been riding alone, I would have continued. Not wanting to break up the group, I hit both brakes and the ABS stopped me without locking the tires up, even when I crossed some thick painted lines on the road.
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11-23-2011, 06:06 PM | #3 |
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You don't think you would have been able to stop on the Nomad without entering the intersection?
When I had my scare last time I rode I was scrubbing off speed pretty quickly. I did lock the back wheel for an instant. I still got slowed enough to just swerve behind the SUV's rear bumper. With ABS , if the stopping distance is further, I'm thinkin' I may not have slowed enough to miss the back bumper. I may be wrong as I have never had a bike with the ABS system.
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I don't care what Motorcycle Communist News says, I will never have another bike without ABS. I'm confident if my Nomad had ABS I'd still be riding it today. The point I was trying to make was a skilled rider in a controlled environment has the freedom to attempt different types of stops without peril. If I am stopping hard enough to engage ABS or lock up the tires, I am trying to avoid a peril. There's a big difference. I'm willing to bet he didn't stop in 35 feet to avoid hitting a wall at 38 feet. Now before someone (like you) says that ABS is a crutch for the weak, I say that's hogwash. I look at it as a fail-safe. You have to be getting on the brakes pretty hard before ABS kicks in. Otherwise, they are just normal brakes.
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11-23-2011, 07:18 PM | #5 |
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before someone (like you) says that ABS is a crutch for the weak,
I'm shocked you think I would say something like that. I wanted to put a wink face here but it is gone. This new smiles suck. I knew what you were saying about a controlled situation opposed to a real world situation. You are right about that. I just never had a bike with ABS and probably never will as my next bike will probably be a 2008 low mileage Nomad.
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11-23-2011, 09:14 PM | #6 |
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ABS is a great feature, Yes a PROFESSIONAL rider/driver may be able to stop quicker in a controlled environment, but for the other 99.9% of us, ABS WILL stop you quicker (and let you maintain control of the vehicle) under almost all conditions
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11-23-2011, 09:25 PM | #7 |
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Ive never had it come on yet on any of the ABS bikes Ive ridden but my brother loves it on his bike, especially in wet weather.
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11-23-2011, 09:48 PM | #8 |
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ABS brakes on wet road conditions makes it well worth the extra money. On my Victory it is standard equipment. Some people still think that Carbs are better than FI. Some people think that drum brakes are better than disc. Auto and motorcycle companies develop systems for the average person, not for "highly skilled testers". I will never have a vehicle without FI, disc brakes and ABS. JMHO.
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In your scenario the ABS would not have kicked in on the front tire, but would have on the rear tire keeping you from sliding and having to release the brake. In your scenario ABS would have been advantageous.
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11-24-2011, 01:41 AM | #10 |
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I'll never have another bike without ABS.
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11-24-2011, 07:00 AM | #11 |
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Why wouldn't you want the most advanced
safety equipment available?
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Speaking of old school, these new smileys suck.
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11-24-2011, 02:04 PM | #13 |
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My understanding of ABS brakes is that they keep the wheels from locking. Just as they are about to slide the brake system releases just enough to prevent that. That seems like a good thing to me.
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11-24-2011, 02:32 PM | #14 |
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ABS system do not skid the tires period... a very safe feature if your in a situation that you "grab and hold on" moment...
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11-24-2011, 07:36 PM | #15 |
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I agree that abs systems stop faster! That being said, I wonder what the race bikes have, their technology trickles down to us road guys?? Just a thought!
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