Motorcycle death trial

cactusjack · 06-12-2012, 12:31 PM

Some of you may remember the accident that happened in Phoenix in March, 2010. A group of bikers were stopped at a red light when a large flatbed truck plowed into the group. Four people died and several suffered very serious injuries.

The first trial ended in a mistrial, so the driver is being tried a second time. Hopefully, he will be going away for a very long time.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...s-phoenix.html

Sin City Stan · 06-12-2012, 03:03 PM

Looks like they almost aquitted him the first time (9-3 to aquit).

Thank God for the three that wouldn't have it.

Scott, is this guy's last name pronounced "Jack-Shit" (Jakscht)????

**cnc** · 06-12-2012, 03:17 PM

I don't know something fishy about his defense. One the one hand his lawyer would have you believe he was operating the truck responsibly for several hours with tricky maneuvers before the incident, then his brakes fail when he slams them onto avoid hitting the bikers?
One: you don't need to slam on your brakes if you are paying attention to the road ahead and that everyone is stopped. Two: If air brakes are anything like hydraulic brakes, a complete brake failure is rare, and there should be evidence that they did fail completely and that he did attempt to brake. His claim that the truck swerved into their lane when the brakes failed suggest to me only one or 2 wheels would have had brakes and that should leave marks on the road. Just my opinion.

cactusjack · 06-12-2012, 03:19 PM

I don't know how to pronounce his last name. "Inmate" would seem appropriate.

This BS about his brakes failing and diet pills is just crap. He admitted after the crash he was reading paperwork and not watching what was in front of him.

Loafer · 06-12-2012, 04:23 PM

He is going to get off.

cactusjack · 08-14-2012, 01:06 AM

They had the closing arguments today and now the trial is in the hands of the jury. I hope this guy doesn't go free.

Loafer · 08-14-2012, 07:01 AM

I hope he doesn't get off, but the bleeding heart society has deep
routes in this country.

AlabamaNomadRider · 08-14-2012, 09:35 AM

When I drove an 18 wheeler and they all had air brakes. If you had a failure the brakes would lock up. Just saying. I don't think there was an air brake failure.

cactusjack · 08-14-2012, 10:26 AM

I don't either, Gene. Witnesses said the truck made no effort to stop and no effort to avoid the collision. The driver wasn't paying attention, for whatever reason.

Dean · 08-14-2012, 04:24 PM

I agree with AlabamaNomadRider,
I spent my formative years in my dad's truck stop. When the air line fails the brakes lock period, then its hang on until stop or hit something depending on the speed to start with.

**jlreeves** · 08-14-2012, 05:38 PM

All air brakes are designed that way since George Westinghouse designed them for trains in 1869. This guy either did it with malice aforethought or was negligent. Either way, other people died as a result of his actions or inaction and he should pay the price for that.

collinr · 08-14-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cnc

Two: If air brakes are anything like hydraulic brakes, a complete brake failure is rare, and there should be evidence that they did fail completely and that he did attempt to brake. His claim that the truck swerved into their lane when the brakes failed suggest to me only one or 2 wheels would have had brakes and that should leave marks on the road. Just my opinion.

Air brakes are basically backwards, the line pressure takes pressure off the brake pads. So pedal up is high line pressure and pedal down bleeds pressure the farther you go. No pressure in the lines is full lock. It's really rare to see a failure at all much less one so catastrophic as to allow freewheeling.

Monkeyman · 08-15-2012, 01:11 AM

Yup. The shoes would have to be gone to have no brakes unless he was riding them. They get hot and fade BAD!!! That's why they have escape ramps on big downhills. No, wait. Those are for regular cars to park RIGHT IN FRONT OF! "Hey, honey. This seems like a nice spot to have a picnic.". Idiots.

ponch · 08-15-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cactusjack

I don't know how to pronounce his last name. "Inmate" would seem appropriate.

This BS about his brakes failing and diet pills is just crap. He admitted after the crash he was reading paperwork and not watching what was in front of him.

May be he'll be housed with some 81's.

cactusjack · 08-15-2012, 06:37 PM

GUILTY!

http://www.azcentral.com/community/n...rcyclists.html

06-12-2012, 12:31 PM	#1
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Motorcycle death trial -UPDATED Some of you may remember the accident that happened in Phoenix in March, 2010. A group of bikers were stopped at a red light when a large flatbed truck plowed into the group. Four people died and several suffered very serious injuries. The first trial ended in a mistrial, so the driver is being tried a second time. Hopefully, he will be going away for a very long time. http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...s-phoenix.html __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17 Login or Register to Remove Ads Last edited by cactusjack; 08-15-2012 at 06:36 PM.
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Sin City Stan Sr. Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 3,746	Looks like they almost aquitted him the first time (9-3 to aquit). Thank God for the three that wouldn't have it. Scott, is this guy's last name pronounced "Jack-Shit" (Jakscht)???? __________________ Oldest Saloon In Nevada http://www.pioneersaloon.info/ "Sin City Stan" Henderson, NV VBA #01004 VROC #29365 2004 Nomad 1500L5 +100 "The Bike" 2009 Nomad 1700 (past) 2004 Vulcan Classic 800 (past) 2010 Cortez - 2011 Crescent City - 2012 Kanab - 2013 Estes Park
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06-12-2012, 03:17 PM	#3
cnc Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montreal QC Posts: 12,034	I don't know something fishy about his defense. One the one hand his lawyer would have you believe he was operating the truck responsibly for several hours with tricky maneuvers before the incident, then his brakes fail when he slams them onto avoid hitting the bikers? One: you don't need to slam on your brakes if you are paying attention to the road ahead and that everyone is stopped. Two: If air brakes are anything like hydraulic brakes, a complete brake failure is rare, and there should be evidence that they did fail completely and that he did attempt to brake. His claim that the truck swerved into their lane when the brakes failed suggest to me only one or 2 wheels would have had brakes and that should leave marks on the road. Just my opinion. __________________ Norm Ward 2008 blue / silver nomad kawanow / VBA #01136
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06-12-2012, 03:19 PM	#4
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	I don't know how to pronounce his last name. "Inmate" would seem appropriate. This BS about his brakes failing and diet pills is just crap. He admitted after the crash he was reading paperwork and not watching what was in front of him. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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08-14-2012, 01:06 AM	#6
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	They had the closing arguments today and now the trial is in the hands of the jury. I hope this guy doesn't go free. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17 Last edited by cactusjack; 08-14-2012 at 01:24 AM.
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AlabamaNomadRider Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Boaz, Alabama Posts: 13,742	When I drove an 18 wheeler and they all had air brakes. If you had a failure the brakes would lock up. Just saying. I don't think there was an air brake failure. __________________ Gene Cross, Jr. Boaz, Alabama KawaNOW/VBA #1181
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08-14-2012, 10:26 AM	#9
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	I don't either, Gene. Witnesses said the truck made no effort to stop and no effort to avoid the collision. The driver wasn't paying attention, for whatever reason. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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08-14-2012, 04:24 PM	#10
Dean Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 55	I agree with AlabamaNomadRider, I spent my formative years in my dad's truck stop. When the air line fails the brakes lock period, then its hang on until stop or hit something depending on the speed to start with.
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jlreeves Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Roswell, GA Posts: 888	All air brakes are designed that way since George Westinghouse designed them for trains in 1869. This guy either did it with malice aforethought or was negligent. Either way, other people died as a result of his actions or inaction and he should pay the price for that. __________________ 2008 Nomad 1600 Black/Red _________________________________________ VulcanBagger #01711, VRA/GA VRA, SCRC, VROC #29671, AMA #1085989, Red Knights MC GA-18 Pres, PGR _________________________________________
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08-15-2012, 01:11 AM	#13
Monkeyman Top Contributor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Wilkesboro, NC Posts: 6,289	Yup. The shoes would have to be gone to have no brakes unless he was riding them. They get hot and fade BAD!!! That's why they have escape ramps on big downhills. No, wait. Those are for regular cars to park RIGHT IN FRONT OF! "Hey, honey. This seems like a nice spot to have a picnic.". Idiots. __________________ Christopher "Monkeyman" Gray ---------------------------- Widows Sons "Overseers" Patriot Guard Rider USArmy 1987-1990 2021 Can Am Spyder RT 2018 Can Am Spyder RT Limited - SOLD 2014 Nomad - SOLD 2012 Victory Vision - SOLD 2007 Black Nomad - SOLD VMC #9367 VBA #1860
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