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[joesnomad]

It seems to me at least that most people on this forum seem to back more Republican view points. I could be wrong but thinking back over the last year and what I've read I think for the most part I'm right. I know her in Pa. everyone I talk to or hear talking about political questions seems to back a more republican view point. If I'm correct in my assumption I have to ask how the hell did Pa. elect Rendell. I have never talked to one single person who claims to have voted for him. In Ohio were NAFTA has cost tens of thousands of jobs how did Hillary win her old man started the sh*t. And until she got to Ohio thought that it was a good thing now she thinks it could be flawed and needs repaired. You might have guessed I am a registerd Republican. Cant say I'm proud of it because most all politicians suck and are only in for the money regardless of what team they play for. Yes I did vote for this idiot that we have now for president but only because I thought he was lesser of the 2 evils. I think that they should do away with the 2 party system altogether. All primaries should be held on the same day nationaly, or if 10 npeople want to run for president have 10 names on the ballot. Its not fair that a few states choose who the rest of us get vote for that seems more communist than democratic to me. Ok my rant is over now politicians make me puke they tell you what you want hear and then when elected they do what ever benefits them the most finacially. BTW if universal health care is so great why didnt that bit** get it passed when she 8 years to do it sitting at the top. Sorry folks politics is one thing that gets me going.

[Idaho]

Hey Joe, take a deep breath, close your eyes and repeat.........ohmmmmm, ohmmmmmm......

Actually I feel your pain. But looking at how this election is shaping up I am having more hope that we may actually elect McCain, although he is not my first choice among the republicans by a long shot. Obama has too much dirty baggage and lacks experience and Hillary, well, over half the country hates her and Bill. I know, oversimplified analysis but you gotta hold out hope.

Not to strart a debate because I really find politcal banter to be annoying but I have conservative views not necesarily republican views. I may be wrong but this is the way I look at it: Being a republican is good if you are extremely rich and also extremely greedy. People always say the democrats will raise your taxes and only people on welfare like the democrats. A lot of hard working families seem brainwashed by this ideologoy thinking the democrats are going to take all their money. Aren't the dems really for LOWERING taxes for middle class people and taxing the Corprations that have millions? Most of the conservative republicans I see don't fall into the class of having millions...Its hard to dicipher through all the crap because you have Republicans calling the democrats "Communists" and you have the democrats calling the republicans "Nazis" when in the political spectrum reality dems and reps are sitting on either side of the fence close enough to be holding hands but they have their backs turned to each other with their noses in the air. And worse yet, you have people who will back their "party" no matter how ignorant the candidate is.

I really don't understand what "state rights" has to do with a national election. One state does a caucus another state does a primary and another state does a square dance. One state you have to be registered with the party another state you don't unless you live in Utah then it seems like every city has their own rule. And in the end the popular vote means nothing :)

[joesnomad]

Wolfman you summed it up real well " And in the end the popular vote means nothing " Thats the point I was trying to make, Pa. has not had their primary yet and we are left with 3 incompatants [my feelings] running for president. Its possible that if the whole nation voted on the same day we could possibly have different choices going into the National election in November. I think that less than half of the population has voted so far and at least 3/4 of the nominees are gone already. It cant be called a national election if a vast majarity of the voters dont get to cast their ballot for who they want. All its is, is another freaking game they play. I think that in a true democracy my vote should mean as much as anyone elses. Thats part of what makes it a democracy. I also agree that the democratic party usually does stand for smaller goverment and looks out for the middle class. However the 2 that are running this time have both stated that they would repeal the Bush tax cuts that would mean raising taxes and if by some chance even think about universal health care taxes would have to go through the roof. All 3 want to keep the illegals here and give them a path to citizenship. I think they should march them single file back across the border and keep them on their own side of the fence. They walked here the first time they should home the same way that they came. They broke our laws at least once already. Thats probably 1/2 of the reason that health care insurance is so high. Then they should shut down all the law schools wait for this crop of lawyers to die off and then open up a select few and teach law with some moral values. I'm sorry but suing McDonalds for millions because I put a cup of hot coffee between my legs and I got burnt is a load of crap. Suing the fast food industry because I ate to many Big Macs or Wopperrs and got fat is just stupid. A judge should have looked at those cases and many more just like them and threw them away and then had the Attorney disbarred. If a Dr. preformed an operation and left a sponge or an instrument inside you, you got sick and they had to reopen you up thats a different story thats just negligence. Should that person recieve $10 million no way. If their are any attorneys on here I'm sorry if I upset you, that was not the intention of what I was trying to say it just came out wrong. However I due feel very strongly that we are heading down a path to our own destruction and if something is not done soon we will be the reason for our own demise. All that being said I am still proud to be an American. We just need to look at why and how this country was formed originally and go back to the basics.

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The last I heard Obama was for tax cuts for people making under 150,000. I may be wrong. Unfortunately there will never be a perfect candidate. When I look at John McCain I see George W. Bush's twin brother. I just wish people would look at some big issues like foreign Policy and immigartion rather than hobby horses like abortion. I feel there are much greater issues plaguing America right now than abortion. I love America I just think there are some really hairbrained policies esp. when it comes to voting. Too many greedy people. My adjusted gross income last year was less than 50,000. I gave more than 10% of that to several different charitable causes. I have a more comfortable life than over 99% of the people in the history of the world. I need nothing more than what I have already.

[jussmatt]

Wolf & Joe... y'all just about summed it all up!!! Political Parties are a cloudy and mixed as a mud puddle!! What they used to stand for, doesn't mean that's what they stand for now...on both sides... and worse yet...what they say they will do is NOT what they do once in office. As Joe said...they're in it for the power and money... regardless of which party they "represent" and I use that term loosely!! Like most, I'm sure, I've voted for the lesser of 2 evils, but I've said all along about this election... the Democrats have used the media to play out this election perfectly!!! Most of the candidates that might have had a chance if elections were held all on the same day w/out all the other electorial bullsh*t, have been run off by the media! Ehh... I better step off my soap box before I even get started... I just know that regardless of who gets in there, it's going to be one hell of a mess for a while!

[Idaho]

Okay, I need to jump in here again. During my lifetime it has been my observation that the Democrats raise taxes and the Repulicans lower taxes. The Dems like to try to foster class warfare by claiming to look out for the little guy and raise taxes on the rich. Truth is that we all pay more when taxes are raised. Corporations don't pay taxes, not because greedy Republicans give them tax breaks but because taxes are included in the costs of their goods and services so we all pay more. That is a fact that the politicians like to hide from us by blinding us with finger pointing described by Wolfman and Joe. This latest stimulus package is a pile of crap because it is one more "rob from Peter to pay Paul" scheme. People who make over $75,000 AGI will have their "rebates" reduced or eliminated. Is that fair? After all they pay over 90% of the taxes in this country. I'm tired of the inequality of politics and taxes. A flat tax would be better for all of us or even a consumption tax but we need to stop this bull sh*t of taxing the rich.

I don't know where you hear that Obama wants to lower taxes. He wants to cut the military, cut defense, cut missle defense, increase welfare and "give" us universal health care. On those "rich" people making over $150,000 he will raise the marginal tax rate to over 50%. That's really going to do a lot of good. Talk about an economic stimulus package. Were is the fairness in stealing half of what any man makes because he was able to get an education and work hard to improve his life? I's sorry, that is socialism and it rankles me to no end. There is no incentive in this country to work hard and succeed anymore because you will be robbed by the government and then told that you can't pray in school, at work or even raise your voice to your kids without fear of going to jail. Our country is going to crap because politicians can "give" money away and the do gooders are preventing us from living our lives freely.


Rant over. for now.

[audiogooroo]

It's a justified rant Idaho.

I would vote for a flat tax in a heartbeat. Not only is it fair, I'm sure my taxes would go down. It's probably where I live but for some reason I see alot more finger pointing towards the democrats. I hate both partys equally. In 10 years this country will be bankrupt because of the war and our own paper money will be worthless. Stock up on ammo everyone.

I see 2 massive problems that none of our politicians seem to care about. #1 Social Security #2 Immigration. In the mean time were wasting valuable $ and energy on fighting extremists 1/2 way around the world (that don't even have an airforce I might add) doesn't make me feel any safer.

[Idaho]

Yep Spence, Utah and Idaho are overwhelmingly Republican. Mostly farmers and ranchers run state government in Idaho, guess what groups are favored by the laws on the books? I consider myself a Republican but have voted for more Dems in the 30+ years I've been in Idaho than I ever thought I would just because many of the Republican candidates are an embarrasment. I swear if you can fog a mirror in this state and call yourself a Republican you will get elected. Having said that, I will probably not vote for a Dem for national office because I do not like the Democrate party philosophy on taxes, energy, defense and Supreme Court judges. Simply put, they scare the dickens out of me on those issues.

So hows the weather? I'm gettin snowed on here!

[Idaho]

Snowing here also. I am really looking forward to this winter finally giving up the ghost. I think that tomorrow I'm going to clean out the garage and tinker with the bike after church. I need to pull the seat and look for an electrical connection that follows the ignition.

I pulled the sockets off today and put some 3 inch straight risers on with the grade 8 bolts. Sittin pretty now.