Judges Washers (more info)

[Scoot]

Has anyone ordered a set of these washers? How long did it take for him to get back to you? Been over a week now still nothing from him. Anybody have a extra set they want to sell. Was hoping to change clutch spring out next week on one of my off days.

DO you think I really need to put those washers on?

[socwkbiker]

What the hell are they? ???

[Scoot]

What the hell are they? ???

My bad i just assumed everyone read's Gadget's like I do.
http://www.gadgetjq.com/clutch_spring_replacement.htm

It's some washers that make the clutch spring last longer. LOL
If no one heard of them I guess I dun need em ...huh

[Idaho]

Interesting reading there Scoot. I have noticed that my clutch seems to slip when accelerating to interstate speeds. I thought that it was just my imagination, now I'm not so sure. Has anyone else noticed what seems to be a slipping clutch?
Idaho

[zoom45]

Yes. the slipping is because the clutch spring is worn in the center of the spring. The metal get's paper thin on the inner part of the spring where it makes contact. If you wait too long the metal tabs on the spring could break off and fall in the engine. I noticed mine slipping when I had to pass a slow car. It just wouldn't go like it use to. I chanced it and went on a planned ride to Florida. By the time I got back, I was lucky to get it to accelerate to highway speeds. Once you get it to speed it's not bad after the load is off. It's better to change it before it get's too bad.
Zoom45

[Idaho]

Okay, bike is only two months old and I already have a maintenance project to do.... Guess that I will start buying the parts.
Idaho

[jmorrow]

Yes. the slipping is because the clutch spring is worn in the center of the spring. The metal get's paper thin on the inner part of the spring where it makes contact. If you wait too long the metal tabs on the spring could break off and fall in the engine. I noticed mine slipping when I had to pass a slow car. It just wouldn't go like it use to. I chanced it and went on a planned ride to Florida. By the time I got back, I was lucky to get it to accelerate to highway speeds. Once you get it to speed it's not bad after the load is off. It's better to change it before it get's too bad.
Zoom45

Zoom45, How many miles were on your Nomad when it started slipping?

[ringadingh]

Judge is out of town alot, but he will return your message eventually. I think the washers are $25.00 pair. I used them when I did my clutch a couple of weeks ago, along with a Mean Streak spring. It made a Huge difference compared to my old clutch spring. The washers take the wear instead of the spring so it will last much longer. Also you will now be able to bump start the bike if need be. Its a pretty easy job to do yourself, just take your time and make absolutly sure the washers are installed in the correct order, or they will break the second you pull the clutch lever ( trust me I found out the hard way) My bike started slipping about 38,000 miles which from what Ive heard is very reasonable life span, many guys are replacing them far sooner. Also be careful when you put the new gasket on, it easy to chew it up on the gear at the bottom front of the crankcase, because the gear is very close to the edge of the cases.

[zoom45]

I had about 17,300 on it when I noticed the first slipping. I changed it at 18,000. It had 39,000 the second time. I used a new Mean Streak spring the second time. I didn't try the Judges washers.
Zoom45

[dogdoc]

the Judges washers also change the stock clutch slipping too zero. in order words when you downshift if your engine revs is out of wak with your speed then when you downshift your rear tire will lock up. the stock slippage prevents all this. So there is a price to pay for the non-slip washers.

[Scoot]

the Judges washers also change the stock clutch slipping too zero. in order words when you downshift if your engine revs is out of wak with your speed then when you downshift your rear tire will lock up. the stock slippage prevents all this. So there is a price to pay for the non-slip washers.

Not really worried about this part. LOL it would be nice to be able to push it off to crank (have been guilty of leaving switch on while having a few cold ones.) Try finding a jumper cable out in the sticks :)

I noticed when my bike is cold and I pass someone in 4th or 5th I could hear the rpm's go up but speed stayed the same. Then I'd get down the road several mile and nail it again and couldn't make it slip. I bought parts for $48.50 mean streak spring, gasket, and header gasket. Going to change out next Thursday (off day). Any advice to get the clutch nut off I don't have a air wrench.

Oh I've got about 36,000 miles

[zoom45]

Lot's of patience, a good socket the right size with a pull handle or ratchet and a big hammer. It would be tough without a good air or electric wrench. Gadgit's and Ole Sarge's web page has some good info on how to do it.

http://members.tripod.com/oldsarge/c...eplacement.htm

Zoom45

[Idaho]

Great additional info there Zoom. Lots of pix that are not on Gadgets page. I just sent an email to Judge to see about buying a set of washers. Then off to a dealer to get a Mean Streak spring and assorted gaskets. At least I have an electric impact wrench.

[dogdoc]

Everybody ususally changes to a mean strak spring when they do it, what year of mean streak(same as the year of your bike)??? Is it neccessary to do the springs same time? Just thinking ahead. looks like alot of crap to remove to get to it. When would peoples clutch be going out(slipping) at 15,000 and some good to 40,000? hard shifting??

[blowndodge]

Sitting at a light in gear with the clutch pulled in. Fast takeoffs. speed shifting. Wrong oil.