Brakes

Enroute 1 · 07-13-2022, 10:43 PM

Has anyone else noticed that when applying both front and back brakes at speed that they grip, well, adequately. But in keeping the the front brake applied and pumping the rear peddle once, that then they really bites down nicely!

redjay · 07-14-2022, 05:23 PM

Maybe your brakes need to be bled ?

The 1700's have a linked braking system don't they ?

mbarr10 · 07-17-2022, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Enroute 1

Has anyone else noticed that when applying both front and back brakes at speed that they grip, well, adequately. But in keeping the the front brake applied and pumping the rear peddle once, that then they really bites down nicely!

I never noticed. I have to try that tomorrow. I would think it should be the same as the first time you hit the brake. Otherwise it would be air in the brake lines, Maybe.

But since they are linked this could be a thing. Or not

Enroute 1 · 07-18-2022, 10:11 AM

Bled the brakes extensively twice!
Sure seems we should have maximum braking power on that first pump??

This is why I am asking for some more feed back.

Had linked brakes on my VTX 1800 (no ABS) worked great first pump.

My warrentee runs out September 1st so I would like to get this addressed before then if it is not normal...Thanks

BrokeAss · 07-18-2022, 11:02 PM

It's normal. Does it in your car, too. The fluid return orifice in the master cylinder is microscopic and two squeezes in rapid succession will trap more fluid on the output side of the piston. If your initial pull is excessive or spongy there is a problem, but a firmer second pull is not necessarily indicative of one.

Enroute 1 · 07-24-2022, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokeAss

It's normal. Does it in your car, too. The fluid return orifice in the master cylinder is microscopic and two squeezes in rapid succession will trap more fluid on the output side of the piston. If your initial pull is excessive or spongy there is a problem, but a firmer second pull is not necessarily indicative of one.

Maybe so, But do not sense this on my MDX at all.
Also initial pull is not excessive or spongy. Brakes well bled and work fine. Its just that they have much more bite on the second foot pump.

I am hoping others will try applying both brakes and then let up on the rear and reapply while holding the front brake pressure steady... and see what happens and post results..

Enroute 1 · 07-29-2022, 03:37 PM

Sure would appreciate some more feed back on this issue from anyone using there brakes....

;)

Whats your experience when second pumping the rear brake?

BrokeAss · 07-29-2022, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Enroute 1

Maybe so, But do not sense this on my MDX at all.

My Lexus GX does it. Good firm pedal that gets even firmer with two rapid pumps. I've bled enough motorcycle master cylinders to know what I'm talking about, at least a little bit.

Enroute 1 · 07-30-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokeAss

My Lexus GX does it. Good firm pedal that gets even firmer with two rapid pumps. I've bled enough motorcycle master cylinders to know what I'm talking about, at least a little bit.

Not doubting your experience. But would still like to here from others
what there Vaquero/Voyagers are doing to confirm that this is "normal" or not for Vaquero/Voyagers.

Wondering if this is occurring on your 09 Nomad as well?

redjay · 07-30-2022, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Enroute 1

Not doubting your experience. But would still like to here from others
what there Vaquero/Voyagers are doing to confirm that this is "normal" or not for Vaquero/Voyagers.

Wondering if this is occurring on your 09 Nomad as well?

Try asking your question on another Vulcan forum ?

http://forums.delphiforums.com/kawvulcan/messages

BrokeAss · 07-31-2022, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Enroute 1

Not doubting your experience. But would still like to here from others
what there Vaquero/Voyagers are doing to confirm that this is "normal" or not for Vaquero/Voyagers.

Wondering if this is occurring on your 09 Nomad as well?

Yes, it occurs on my Nomad. No linked brakes, tho. My son bought Ivan's old Voyager recently, I'll try it on that, too. If you're still not satisfied then maybe you're just shopping for an answer you want

andyvh1959 · 07-31-2022, 01:29 AM

Don't over complicate the braking, best braking is both brakes, with increasing effort on the front brakes and lighter application on the rear. Use the rear brake for stability and tracking but not to the point of locking up the rear. Front brakes do most of the work, but use the rear brake to minimize front end dive. Done right the bike just squats into the stop . No reason to be pumping the rear brake. Whole idea is to keep the bike stable during braking with no pulsing of the brakes to upset the chassis, once you have brake loading established keep it on steady and smooth, more on the front less on the rear. Also, with floorboards always keep the heel of your boot on the floorboard and apply the rear brake with the ball of your boot. Never lift your foot off the floorboard to apply the rear brake.

3w-lonerider · 07-31-2022, 02:34 PM

i have a 2019 voyager trike. and it does the same thing. so i'm assuming its normal.

TX1700 · 08-02-2022, 11:33 AM

Totally normal!

Enroute 1 · 10-30-2022, 11:18 AM

Well I think this is very strange for any braking system to do this but I am guessing it is a result of the linked system....??

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Enroute 1 Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 16	Brakes Has anyone else noticed that when applying both front and back brakes at speed that they grip, well, adequately. But in keeping the the front brake applied and pumping the rear peddle once, that then they really bites down nicely! Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-18-2022, 10:11 AM	#4
Enroute 1 Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 16	Bled the brakes extensively twice! Sure seems we should have maximum braking power on that first pump?? This is why I am asking for some more feed back. Had linked brakes on my VTX 1800 (no ABS) worked great first pump. My warrentee runs out September 1st so I would like to get this addressed before then if it is not normal...Thanks Last edited by Enroute 1; 07-18-2022 at 10:17 AM.
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07-18-2022, 11:02 PM	#5
BrokeAss Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Ohio Posts: 296	It's normal. Does it in your car, too. The fluid return orifice in the master cylinder is microscopic and two squeezes in rapid succession will trap more fluid on the output side of the piston. If your initial pull is excessive or spongy there is a problem, but a firmer second pull is not necessarily indicative of one. __________________ '09 Nomad 1700 - Ivan's flash - Kuryakyn Alley Cat - V&H slip-ons - Triple hi/low beam H4 headlights - Desert Dawgs - Half the F&S Catalog Login or Register to Remove Ads
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07-29-2022, 03:37 PM	#7
Enroute 1 Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 16	Sure would appreciate some more feed back on this issue from anyone using there brakes....;) Whats your experience when second pumping the rear brake? __________________ 2019 Vaquero Last edited by Enroute 1; 07-29-2022 at 04:10 PM.
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07-31-2022, 01:29 AM	#12
andyvh1959 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Green Bay WI Posts: 755	Don't over complicate the braking, best braking is both brakes, with increasing effort on the front brakes and lighter application on the rear. Use the rear brake for stability and tracking but not to the point of locking up the rear. Front brakes do most of the work, but use the rear brake to minimize front end dive. Done right the bike just squats into the stop . No reason to be pumping the rear brake. Whole idea is to keep the bike stable during braking with no pulsing of the brakes to upset the chassis, once you have brake loading established keep it on steady and smooth, more on the front less on the rear. Also, with floorboards always keep the heel of your boot on the floorboard and apply the rear brake with the ball of your boot. Never lift your foot off the floorboard to apply the rear brake. __________________ My $1200 Vulcan, to start from. Last edited by andyvh1959; 07-31-2022 at 01:32 AM.
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07-31-2022, 02:34 PM	#13
3w-lonerider Jr. Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: shippensburg, pa Posts: 26	i have a 2019 voyager trike. and it does the same thing. so i'm assuming its normal.
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08-02-2022, 11:33 AM	#14
TX1700 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Round Rock, TX Posts: 128	Totally normal! __________________ TX1700 on VBA plunge on Texas VROC VROC #36447 VBA #02703 Ivan's reflash 2013 Vulcan Voyager ABS 2002 Road Star (sold)
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10-30-2022, 11:18 AM	#15
Enroute 1 Jr. Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 16	Well I think this is very strange for any braking system to do this but I am guessing it is a result of the linked system....?? __________________ 2019 Vaquero Last edited by Enroute 1; 11-28-2022 at 08:32 AM.
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