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Old 01-08-2018, 08:48 PM   #16
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Ok, so as MAS confirmed, there is an outside stator cover, as well as another cover behind that, which is where that notch is. I'm going to take a picture in a moment, but I also wanted to confirm... Is the flywheel bolt regular threading (lefty loosey, righty tighty), or is it reverse threaded? I haven't attempted to remove it yet, but since I'm going to use an impact wrench, I wanted to make sure I wasn't accidentally tightening it by going the wrong direction.



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Old 01-08-2018, 10:05 PM   #17
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So, the stator bolt isn't reverse threaded, and it came out just like any other bolt. Put the M12 impact on high speed, and it came out without any fuss.

As promised, here's some pictures of the parts I removed from both engines (related to the stator).

1600 rotor - angle 1
1600 rotor - angle 2
1500 Nomad rotor - angle 1
1500 Nomad rotor - angle 2
1500 Nomad inner stator
1600 inner and outer stator cover - no wiring cutout
1500 Nomad stator covers - cutout for inner stator wiring
1500 closeup of wiring cutout

Thanks again to all for bailing me out, and I'll be sure to jump back into the thread as new things pop up. :)
 
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:13 AM   #18
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Now that you see it, it makes sense.

The cases are the same, it's all bolt on goodies.

Just please, use a really good free flowing air cleaner/filter.

You'll already be using a smaller throttle body, so make sure it isn't restricted.

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Old 01-09-2018, 08:42 PM   #19
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Thx. :)

Well, no amount of progress goes unpunished, so I'm back with the questions, so here it goes... :)

It seems as though the gear that sits behind the flywheel on the nomad, and the gear that's attached TO the flywheel on the 1600 are slightly different sizes, or the collar on the flywheel shaft is thicker/wider on the mean streak by a very slight amount, making the two non-interchangeable it appears. The issue is, the gear won't go far enough back on the shaft to allow the teeth on both gears to interlink and actually touch. The Nomad's gear seems to sit about 1/2" too far forward. Is there a solution to this? Does the 1600 nomad flywheel happen to fit proper?

I find it so odd that the two shafts or gears would be different just because it's a mean streak engine, but at this point, I shouldn't be surprised. :/
 
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Old 01-10-2018, 12:06 PM   #20
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Ok, so I decided to get a little more clear, and.... TOOK SOME PICTURES! I figure that'll help illustrate what I mean a little better than trying to explain it.

First picture, showing the diameter of the 1500's collar.

Second picture - keeping the caliper locked to the 1500's size, you can clearly see that it won't fit completely over the 1600's shaft.

Third picture, close up of the measurement of the 1600's shaft.

Would I need to machine the Nomad's gear to fit on the 1600's shaft, or would a 1600cc Nomad's gear fit? I guess I'm just not sure if the difference in the shaft (collar) diameter is due to the size in cc's, or because it's a MS specific engine.

Thx

EDIT: Just saw that the pictures look pretty small, so here's what the calipers say. Picture 1 & 2 - 1.45". Picture 3 - 1.5" (actually closer to 1.6") The caliper I have isn't the most accurate ever, but regardless, there's definitely a small size difference.

Any thoughts? Suggestions?
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Old 01-10-2018, 12:40 PM   #21
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Interesting.... So, I took a look on partzilla, and there actually DOES seem to be a part number difference between the 1500 and 1600 gears.

The part number for the 1500 Nomad is 16085-1307. Link here
The part number for the 1600 Nomad is 16085-0023. Link here

Being that they're different part numbers, I'd assume that accounts for the different diameters. :/ I guess I'll need to get searching for a used gear, as they're $200 for a new one it appears.

EDIT: Looks like even on ebay they're listed as slightly different. Was able to find a used one for $50, so it'll be here in a week. Hopefully then I'll have some definitive answers. :)

So, for the moment, what I've deduced is that everything is a straight across swap for the dual stators EXCEPT for that gear, and that's only if you're using a Mean Streak engine. One of the small gotchas. Also - apologies for all the super detailed updates. Figure this may serve to answer some of these questions in the future for others.

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Old 01-11-2018, 05:06 AM   #22
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And I never tried putting the dual set-up on a 1600 with 1500 parts.

The cranks are definitely different between the 15 and 16s, the 16s stroke is longer, but I never thought to check that.

This is definitely enlightening.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:13 AM   #23
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Yeah, it's all good. :) I can't expect everyone to know everything, especially in cases like this. But at least for the next guy, it should be easy to understand.

I imagine it's going to be a really easy fix once the gear arrives, which should be next week. I'm just going to leave the engine out of the frame for the moment as I also ordered some coasters to block off and remove the emissions junk and clean it up a bit. Figured I'll throw it back in once the parts have arrived and have been installed. Oh... reminder to self to remove the "Judges Washers" from the clutch side on the 1500 as well... don't want to get rid of those. lol
 
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Yeah, it's all good. :) I can't expect everyone to know everything, especially in cases like this. But at least for the next guy, it should be easy to understand.

I imagine it's going to be a really easy fix once the gear arrives, which should be next week. I'm just going to leave the engine out of the frame for the moment as I also ordered some coasters to block off and remove the emissions junk and clean it up a bit. Figured I'll throw it back in once the parts have arrived and have been installed. Oh... reminder to self to remove the "Judges Washers" from the clutch side on the 1500 as well... don't want to get rid of those. lol
Go ahead and put them in the 1600 while it's out.

What spring is in the 1500?

The 1600 MS spring is just a 1600 Nomad spring.

Only the 1500 MS spring is the beefier one.
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Old 01-11-2018, 12:27 PM   #25
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I bought the bigger one when I did the install earlier last year, so i should be good on that i think.

It'll be nice having all that emissions crap out of the way as well. I imagine getting the engine back in the frame will be a little easier as there'll be less junk on the top of the engine to get hung up while trying to maneuver it back into place.
 
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The crank is diff. on the snout. Piece can be machined to get depth you need. On the driveshaft, check about swapping the angle drive out.....might be a easier road.....
If the ujoints are the same theres a possibility of changing ends out to get what you need. I just cut and adapt.....its just metal to me.....I force it into submission. Thats what welders and lathes are for....
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:18 PM   #27
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Yeah, I'm not looking at trying to get anything machined unless there's no way around it. I was able to find the correct gear for a 1600, so I think that'll be the slightly better route. Cost me 50 bucks, so it wasn't too bad.

As far as the angle drive... I'm not sure what you mean. All the pieces and connection points for the driveshaft appear to look like they'll mate up fine - is there something I'm missing on that? The only thing thus far that hasn't been a straight across swap was that gear, as the MS had a different rotor than the classics/nomads that had that gear integrated into the rotor.
 
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Ok, the gear arrived, and it fits PERFECTLY. So, that should solve that problem. Now I'm just going to drag my feet until the block off coasters arrive.
 
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Nevermind Colin, my bad, I had a brainfart. I looked at the splines and caliper....mind jumped to final drive....sorry, your good....
Thats what I get at just glancing at something....
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:56 PM   #30
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Ok, the gear arrived, and it fits PERFECTLY. So, that should solve that problem. Now I'm just going to drag my feet until the block off coasters arrive.
Cool, that's was an easily solved hiccup.

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