Stem Brn & Park Tool

mr500 · 08-06-2017, 10:38 AM

Well looks like I am falling into the bad stem brng group. After getting everything off for the front bearings, I noticed my steering is stiff and I can feel the flat spot/indentation of the head bearings.

Question is, with this Park tool and does it work with the Nomads? I can borrow one from a friend of mine, but I don't know if the tips will grab the races. I assume since a punch will catch the race that this tool should.

I saw a post where someone had to bend the ends of the park tool out to a 45 deg angle to make it work. Since to the tool is borrowed I cant do that..

Thoughts....

**ringadingh** · 08-06-2017, 01:51 PM

You wont know if it will work unless you try it, I use a long drift punch, and a large flat screwdriver. There is barely an edge to catch, but eventually it starts moving, and gets easier.

mr500 · 08-07-2017, 07:25 AM

Yeah that's what I was worried about. No room to work. Ill give it a shot jus the same

hammer · 08-07-2017, 06:45 PM

Here is a link to how I solved the race removal and torquing project.
http://vulcanbagger.com/forums/showt...+stem+bearings

Unfortunately the photobucket 3rd party hosting thing is now blocking my pics from being posted.

What are others doing to post pics?

Otherwise I could e-mail to you if you PM me with an address and I can send a write-up with the pics in it.

mr500 · 08-07-2017, 09:41 PM

PM sent

hammer · 08-08-2017, 12:11 AM

Coming to you. Hope it helps

mr500 · 08-08-2017, 07:34 AM

Got it and yes I see where you are going with it. I might try grinding in 2-3 grooves so I can get a punch on the backside of the race when I get home today. The RT2 tool I will be using is being borrowed and I don't want to modify it unless I have too.

Thanks So Much. You gave me another way to remove the races.

Still have to get me 36mm socket also. UGHH thought I had one.

Thanks Again....

mr500 · 08-08-2017, 06:53 PM

Well there out. And just like everyone else I found damn near NO grease on the bearings. Top race was nice and clean but the bottom race was pitted as you can see.

Also what would be the reason for having transmission oil in the left fork and regular fork oil in the right fork?? One was red (tranny fluid) and other was dark grey.

Guessing the last guy that had it did not do it right??

Thoughts...

Jllm02199 · 08-11-2017, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr500

Well there out. And just like everyone else I found damn near NO grease on the bearings. Top race was nice and clean but the bottom race was pitted as you can see.

Also what would be the reason for having transmission oil in the left fork and regular fork oil in the right fork?? One was red (tranny fluid) and other was dark grey.

Guessing the last guy that had it did not do it right??

Thoughts...

While you have it apart put a grease fitting on the side of the yoke tube so you can give it a shot of grease every 6 months and you won't ever have to do it again.

Slim

**Sabre-t** · 08-08-2017, 08:11 PM

Wow, it looks like they replaced the bearings but put very little, if any, grease on them. No wonder it got stiff! Is that rust on the lower bearing?

I suppose there may be some red colored fork oils, but it looks like they may have had a leak in one fork and only replaced the oil in that fork. That's certainly a big no-no, especially if not using the exact same brand and weight as was being replaced.

mr500 · 08-08-2017, 10:43 PM

Are the OEM bearings taper? yeah they may have done just that because the left was deff tranny fluid. Going back with Yama lube. Only thing I have without ordering.

And yes that is rust. May have been a bad seal. Who knows what the original owner did. I got the bike at 19500. She's at 27xxx now. First time I have been in here.

**Sabre-t** · 08-08-2017, 11:16 PM

Other 1600 owners would need to confirm, but I don't think the OEMs were needle. The 1700s, 1500s and, I think, the 900s have really cheap ball bearings in a plastic retainer, so I doubt that Kawi put needle bearings in the 1600s.

ldhthept · 08-08-2017, 11:26 PM

Those are tapered bearings, not needle bearings.

**Sabre-t** · 08-09-2017, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldhthept

Those are tapered bearings, not needle bearings.

Oops, sorry. I meant tapered not needle.

mr500 · 08-09-2017, 07:26 AM

I know these are taper I was asking if the OEM ones are taper from Ma Kawa

Such a fun job lol

08-06-2017, 10:38 AM	#1
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	Stem Brn & Park Tool.. Update... Well looks like I am falling into the bad stem brng group. After getting everything off for the front bearings, I noticed my steering is stiff and I can feel the flat spot/indentation of the head bearings. Question is, with this Park tool and does it work with the Nomads? I can borrow one from a friend of mine, but I don't know if the tips will grab the races. I assume since a punch will catch the race that this tool should. I saw a post where someone had to bend the ends of the park tool out to a 45 deg angle to make it work. Since to the tool is borrowed I cant do that.. Thoughts.... __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943 Login or Register to Remove Ads Last edited by mr500; 08-08-2017 at 06:44 PM.
	0

08-06-2017, 01:51 PM	#2
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	You wont know if it will work unless you try it, I use a long drift punch, and a large flat screwdriver. There is barely an edge to catch, but eventually it starts moving, and gets easier. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
	0

08-07-2017, 07:25 AM	#3
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	Yeah that's what I was worried about. No room to work. Ill give it a shot jus the same __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943
	0

08-07-2017, 06:45 PM	#4
hammer Sr. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,329	Here is a link to how I solved the race removal and torquing project. http://vulcanbagger.com/forums/showt...+stem+bearings Unfortunately the photobucket 3rd party hosting thing is now blocking my pics from being posted. What are others doing to post pics? Otherwise I could e-mail to you if you PM me with an address and I can send a write-up with the pics in it. __________________ Hammer aka CrocHammer KawaNow#00988, VROC#26389, VR#2202 Abbotsford, BC, Canada 2006 Black Nomad
	0

08-07-2017, 09:41 PM	#5
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	PM sent __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943 Login or Register to Remove Ads
	0

08-08-2017, 12:11 AM	#6
hammer Sr. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,329	Coming to you. Hope it helps __________________ Hammer aka CrocHammer KawaNow#00988, VROC#26389, VR#2202 Abbotsford, BC, Canada 2006 Black Nomad
	0

08-08-2017, 07:34 AM	#7
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	Got it and yes I see where you are going with it. I might try grinding in 2-3 grooves so I can get a punch on the backside of the race when I get home today. The RT2 tool I will be using is being borrowed and I don't want to modify it unless I have too. Thanks So Much. You gave me another way to remove the races. Still have to get me 36mm socket also. UGHH thought I had one. Thanks Again.... __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943
	0

08-08-2017, 08:11 PM	#10
Sabre-t Join Date: May 2015 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 838	Wow, it looks like they replaced the bearings but put very little, if any, grease on them. No wonder it got stiff! Is that rust on the lower bearing? I suppose there may be some red colored fork oils, but it looks like they may have had a leak in one fork and only replaced the oil in that fork. That's certainly a big no-no, especially if not using the exact same brand and weight as was being replaced.
	0

08-08-2017, 10:43 PM	#11
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	Are the OEM bearings taper? yeah they may have done just that because the left was deff tranny fluid. Going back with Yama lube. Only thing I have without ordering. And yes that is rust. May have been a bad seal. Who knows what the original owner did. I got the bike at 19500. She's at 27xxx now. First time I have been in here. __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943
	0

08-08-2017, 11:16 PM	#12
Sabre-t Join Date: May 2015 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 838	Other 1600 owners would need to confirm, but I don't think the OEMs were needle. The 1700s, 1500s and, I think, the 900s have really cheap ball bearings in a plastic retainer, so I doubt that Kawi put needle bearings in the 1600s.
	0

08-08-2017, 11:26 PM	#13
ldhthept Sr. Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tallahassee FL Posts: 1,033	Those are tapered bearings, not needle bearings.
	0

08-09-2017, 07:26 AM	#15
mr500 Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn Al Posts: 247	I know these are taper I was asking if the OEM ones are taper from Ma Kawa Such a fun job lol __________________ 2019 1700 Voyager VBA #02943
	0