Running Ethanol in your fuel.......

[cactusjack]

Isn't the AMA fighting to keep 15% ethanol from becoming mandatory because it can damage our engines?

[macmac]

We can't run E-15, and we shouldn't run E-10. I don't add anything for E-10 either but down the road for a few cents more I can get real gas, and in many mariners you can get real gas because E-10 attracts water in less than full gas tanks with a larger surface area exposed. E-10 isn't cleaner doesn't give you the same power band, the same economy or the same miles. E-10 is nothing but a rip off and that corn is better spent growing cattle than being wasted in cars.

The EPA doesn't and never knew jack Chit and if they did they would be expert in methanol. They are nothing more than a left over of Bill Clinton's BS deal on Amerika. Bean Counters killing a Nation.

I just love this so called science, and quassi engineers that never had a spec of oil grime under a finger nail one tine in their lives. LOL I got to replace a EGR valve on a 1 tom doge gas truck and it is by the book a 10 hour job ad to do it you have to mess with every system there is on that engine. fuel power steering pump belts and a mess of everything else. That little engineer had 0 hands on experience, since doing that EGR vale on most anything is just a routine and typical replacement that shouldn't take 15 minutes. These are the kind is people that us, the population as a test dummies and it has a cost to us to be used for their idea of sexual experiments. LOL

E-10 should never be considered in 2 stroke bikes ATV's with 2 stokes chain saw and yard tools that are 2 stroke! Not ever! I know where there is a rather nice collection if fried pistons

[nomadtom69]

I carry the sta-bil blue (Marine) to use when on the road and can not find real gas and even when I store for the winter put double dose in just in case have moisture left from some of it during summer also use real gas in all mowers atv and chainsaws and weedeaters may cost a little more but in long run saves money from damage

[Silent Sam]

..AGAIN I must agree with macmac...his truth is right on !

However...I ride the 'Great Plains" area a lot of my summer travels, and E-85 Ethanol is very common...many time (especially on a sunday) a small town gas station is closed..with the credit card pumps still available for use --the distance between towns requires a fill up where you find it- And I have filled with the E-85 many times and never had any fuel system problems ! (and mpg seems to remain the same)

As for Sea Foam (I use it quite a bit) I was recently told that if you know the 'formulation" you will see it is just the same as "penetrateing oil"..dunno..I still use !

As for Sta-Bil, I use that in all my fuel tanks and reserve fuel cans, that sit for months at a time..as a fuel preserver

As for high octane gasoline...the local airport still has 100 octane low lead,(blue colored), available ! WARNING-100 octane "LOW LEAD" Aviation Fuel ACTUALLY CONTAINS aprox 16 times as much LEAD, as old school premium gasoline used to ! So if your fueling system is full of "sensors" ... beware that leaded gas will cause problems over time..carb'ed fueling systems..usually LOVE Leaded Gas ! (but catilitic converters will plug on leaded)

[Bud2rat]

Around here all the gas is 10% blend. I have been running it all alone, treating the tank with Seafoam every 3-4 tanks.

[Sin City Stan]

E10 (10%) equals a 3.3% reduction in MPG (less BTUs), a cleaner fuel system (it's a solvent) and deteriorating rubber components (it's an aggressive solvent). Unfortunately it's all I can get here.

The 3.3% reduction is based on available BTUs/gallon and I have noticed a difference when traveling and have a day where I come across "real" gas at every stop. At the end of the day it's very noticeable.

Whenever possible I buy at first tier stations because E10 can become anything from E8 to E15 depending on how careful and honest the blender is. I would stay as far away from E15 as I can but when your in the middle of nowhere you sometimes do not have a choice. And E85 probably will not get you very far down the road and you would be walking anyway.

It's interesting to note that the Winter gas blend is nearly identical to E10 in available BTUs.

The bottom line is that ethanol took the place of the land bank for farmers.

Just never made sense to me to plow a field, plant a field, cultivate/fertilize a field, pick corn from a field, transport the corn to a drier all with diesel powered equipment. Now you dry the corn with natural gas and then ship it again to an ethanol distillery. There you burn millions of Therms of natural gas to distill the ethanol. Admittedly allot of these plants are built at landfills and use recovered methane for this process. Does this sound like a money making venture? Would you invest your money in it? Well many people do because of one thing . . . it's Government subsidized. Stepping down from the soapbox now.

[spoon059]

Unfortunately we mostly have E15 around my parts. If I am fueling up for a ride that day, I don't add anything to the gas. If I fuel up before I park the bike for a while, I put some Startron or Stabil in the fuel. Both products state they block the harmful effects of the ethanol, such as the tendency to absorb water and destroy rubber gas lines.
I use 91 octane for my bike and my John Deere tractor.

[macmac]

Originally Posted by spoon059

Unfortunately we mostly have E15 around my parts. If I am fueling up for a ride that day, I don't add anything to the gas. If I fuel up before I park the bike for a while, I put some Startron or Stabil in the fuel. Both products state they block the harmful effects of the ethanol, such as the tendency to absorb water and destroy rubber gas lines.
I use 91 octane for my bike and my John Deere tractor.

A guy just brought me a chainsaw this afternoon. He was stunned that the tank filter was in the tank, and he couldn't find the fuel line, but he found a glue like black ball E anything is a waste and we get ROBBED every time we buy steak and every time we buy for crap gas. Maybe we should feed cattle coal?

[cactusjack]

All our pumps say "This fuel may contain up to 10% ethanol". That's pretty standard. I only buy Chevron, Shell or Quiktrip gas because it's top tier. I look for top tier fuel when touring, sometimes you can't find it though.

[Top Cat]

I bought gas from this station just before entering the badlands as I was real close to empty due to poor planning on my part
The truck was there to refill the underground tanks and said he would wait to fill them as to not stir up the sediment in the bottom of the tanks.
I told him I appreciated that very much

[usranger74]

It has been my recent experience that it is getting very hard to find gas that does not have at least 10% corn in it. Many States madate it and many States do not require that it be posted on the pump.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_gu...anol_laws.html

"Over 90% of all gas sold at public gas stations now contains ethanol alcohol. E10 gas has become the "conventional" fuel and ethanol-free gas is now a "specialty" fuel".

[fudd]

The production of ethanol from corn just requires the starch in each kernel. After the fermentation process is complete the remaining product is sent through a centrifuge that separates the coarse grain from the solubles. That product (DDG or DDGS depending on moisture content) is then sold as a feed for livestock. The line that the production of ethanol from corn is responsible for a shortage of livestock feed is generally hype from a mis-informed media. As in a lot of issues (including politics) the media has done a poor job of reporting the facts in this matter.

[winshard]

I use "Terraclean" Concentrated Fuel Treatment. Really seems to work better than SF, no alcohols and one $15.00 bottle will go for some 20gal of fuel. I only add it every 3 or 4 tanks. I get it from a local rep.

[macmac]

Originally Posted by fudd

The production of ethanol from corn just requires the starch in each kernel. After the fermentation process is complete the remaining product is sent through a centrifuge that separates the coarse grain from the solubles. That product (DDG or DDGS depending on moisture content) is then sold as a feed for livestock. The line that the production of ethanol from corn is responsible for a shortage of livestock feed is generally hype from a mis-informed media. As in a lot of issues (including politics) the media has done a poor job of reporting the facts in this matter.

I didn't know that, but I do know there is no sense adding a filler to fuel. You just get ripped off 4 ways from sunday.

It takes 10% of the tank space, It robs you of apx 10% power, 10% distance, wastes gas because you have to enrichen the mix anyway. Etc etc and it kills 2 stoke pistons cranks case seals and fuel lines.

This is nothing more than the EPA trying to burn thin air and nothing else. And Last it increases the carbon foot print for ALL the above and some things I did n't say.

The bone bean counters in the EPA should have their e xtra body fat rendered for OIL

[manban9888]

I use a few cap fulls of star tron at every fill up and 5 0z of seafoam very 1000 miles.