Zimmerman Case

[ponch]

Or Mohawk

[Idaho]

In my mind it matters not what Z was or was not or where he was. He was attacked by a young man who was much larger and stronger than himself who was threatening to kill him. He got his face smashed and the back of his head cracked open. Self defense.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by Idaho

In my mind it matters not what Z was or was not or where he was. He was attacked by a young man who was much larger and stronger than himself who was threatening to kill him. He got his face smashed and the back of his head cracked open. Self defense.

All depends. No one knows for sure what happened between the car and Zimmerman being on the ground. What if Zimmerman instigated the confrontation? You don't know what happened and neither do I. That's what I hope we find out in a court of law.

Zimmerman seems to serve as a lightning rod for people's prejudices and preconceived notions. Often the truth is found in a different camp as the point of view is objective. I've read very little here that represents that.

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by ponch

All depends. No one knows for sure what happened between the car and Zimmerman being on the ground. What if Zimmerman instigated the confrontation? You don't know what happened and neither do I. That's what I hope we find out in a court of law.

Zimmerman seems to serve as a lightning rod for people's prejudices and preconceived notions. Often the truth is found in a different camp as the point of view is objective. I've read very little here that represents that.

No offense James, but were not quite a few of your previous posts littered with your assumptions of the occurrence, notions of the two individual's thoughts and actions; and your overall perception of both individuals -- without knowing any of the facts beyond what the press provided?

Again... no offense meant here at all... but it appears to me you need to include yourself in your last statement to some degree...

[ponch]

Originally Posted by glwilson

No offense James, but were not quite a few of your previous posts littered with your assumptions of the occurrence, notions of the two individual's thoughts and actions; and your overall perception of both individuals -- without knowing any of the facts beyond what the press provided?

Again... no offense meant here at all... but it appears to me you need to include yourself in your last statement to some degree...

Yes, but the difference is I am willing to consider something different. People here are taking sides that are polar to one side, as if Zimmerman should be crowned a hero or the second coming. What I am saying in essence is that it takes two to interact and in this case it's not clear cut because there is a section of the timeline that is in dispute. We do know he called the police and was told basically that he should stay in the car. He didn't. Had he been on his property, in his home, there would be a lot less doubt. If there had been video or eyewitnesses that saw the whole thing from start to finish, there would be a lot less doubt. But the point I get from a lot of you is that somehow in the karmic universe, Martin had it coming no matter what transpired. The truth is, we all have it coming. Whatever happened between those two idiots god and they only know at this point and Martin is dead and Zimmerman isn't saying much. SO, I say let the trial begin, get people on the stand and let there be some voir dire in the literal meaning of the words.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by Idaho

In my mind it matters not what Z was or was not or where he was. He was attacked by a young man who was much larger and stronger than himself who was threatening to kill him. He got his face smashed and the back of his head cracked open. Self defense.

So if Zimmerman walked up to Martin, called him a nigger and took a swing at him, Zimmerman still had nothing to do with it? I am making this hypothetical as none of us know what happened, including you or I. His self-defense was preceded by his own actions that we do not know at this time.

[coacha]

Somehow I know the courts in my state will screw this up...it is their way. Hope the guy gets a fair shake one way or another but I don't think it is going to happen. I've seen more on TV and newspapers around here since the incident that I am already tired of it all.

[Todd]

yes, it was his neighborhood.

I agree that you don't go looking for trouble. You especially don't go looking for trouble while carrying. Treyvon is a loser. Z may have used some bad judgement or simply made a mistake trying to help his fellow law abiding citizens. He did not deserve to be treated like he was by the press...they have done their best to frame him and paint him like a wannabe while they have done nothing to describe the real Treybone as a dope smoking punkass loser with a thug attitude. Just my opinion...that and a dollar will get you a coffee at Mcdonalds. I'm out.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by coacha

Somehow I know the courts in my state will screw this up...it is their way. Hope the guy gets a fair shake one way or another but I don't think it is going to happen. I've seen more on TV and newspapers around here since the incident that I am already tired of it all.

It depends on the venue and whether or not he has a bench trial or jury trial. With a jury trial in the right venue, he could get off without a sweat, in other venues, the jurors would be measuring the rope. With judges, it all depends.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by Todd

yes, it was his neighborhood.

I agree that you don't go looking for trouble. You especially don't go looking for trouble while carrying. Treyvon is a loser. Z may have used some bad judgement or simply made a mistake trying to help his fellow law abiding citizens. He did not deserve to be treated like he was by the press...they have done their best to frame him and paint him like a wannabe while they have done nothing to describe the real Treybone as a dope smoking punkass loser with a thug attitude. Just my opinion...that and a dollar will get you a coffee at Mcdonalds. I'm out.

The truth will come out in a trial. In this case it may be the best outcome that it goes to trial.

[ponch]

Here's my advice for Zimmerman:

[schoeney]

Originally Posted by ponch

The truth will come out in a trial. In this case it may be the best outcome that it goes to trial.

I don't know that the truth will come out in the trial with all the suppressed evidence.

It should be an interesting topic around the campfire in Estes.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by schoeney

I don't know that the truth will come out in the trial with all the suppressed evidence.

It should be an interesting topic around the campfire in Estes.

It'll come out one way or another, before or during the trial. I hope Zimmerman has excellent counsel.

[NRiderUSA]

Well I have to agree, after watching the news media post pictures of that poor little 10 year old and find out it was a lie and then seeing the true pictures, then post pictures that showed Z was not hurt and that turned out to be another fabricated lie finding out his nose was broken and the back of his head required stiches despite the news trying to make it look like it was fabricated when the facts show now they fabricated their version, and then watching all the black politicians fly in from around the country to insure racism wasn't forgotten stoking the fires of hate almost causing riots by insuring the message that racism had to be the reason why that poor little boy was hunted down by that racist wanna be cop and use it to stand up against guns cause this just shows that Z was out there hunting some poor black person to shoot which is total BS since no facts about anything were in besides what they pumped out to make sure that Z was painted a villain and Martin was painted a saint..........
Got a witness that saw Martin pounding his head in the ground.... again....not brought out, just discredited with BS rationalizations of well if he hadn't been there that night none of this would have happened, and they aren't talking about Martin.

Just like the lies going on in the government... you want faith, don't use lie's and half truths to prove your point... it really destroys credibility and does nothing but push people to the other side.....

I wasn't there.... but I watched the manipulation of the facts intentionally by both the media and politicians enough to be on the other side of those blatant liars trying to rekindle the fires of race hate I remember very well from the 60's. Without black vs white they have no power and they will not allow just the facts to be presented.... it has to be about race. Their like buzzards smelling blood, where is their concern for the kids killing each other in Chicago? Doesn't appear to be a concern since black on black crime don't get them votes.

So yeah I'm on Z's side.....and it aint about color its about content of character which the other side has shown quit well they don't have.

[ponch]

You are one stupid mother fucker.