Obamacare Passes

[Jgrazjgraz]

Typical politics , sell one thing, deliver another.

[canedriver]

If a business plans on shutting down then they were already on a thin profit margin. To thin to survive.

This will actually help small businesses.

A small business cannot negotiate lower insurance because of a lower demand. This is why say A Lowes has a lower health cost then say a small hardware store. By opening exchanges you just gave them purchasing power.

Who this really effects is low paying employers like McDonalds and Walmart and a host of others. They are either going to have to pay more of the costs or gives raises to employees to make it affordable. This is a win win for tax payers, all levels of government, as well as mom and pop Doctors who will see patients who now have insurance.

WIN for tax payers because your paying for the healthcare of low wage earners employed by billion dollar corporations like walmart. They pay low wages so workers forgo insurance. When you do not have insurance you use the ER as your doctors office. This will stop.

Win for governments because now money spent to pay for uninsured isnt needed. Everyone will have insurance. That money can now be used for a host other projects like infrastucture or paying down local debt.

Really a WIN for people who want to start there own businesses. Your going to have less cost because of number of employees and you can build the health costs into your business model as you grow.

Sure there are going to be speed bumps but in the end I have faith and hope it works out.

If you do not like it I am sure Rush has room on his plane to Costa Rica.

[Yellow Jacket]

Win? I see more Loss than Win.

What are the "progressive-liberals" going to do when the large majority of citizens realize that they will be better of by quitting and going onto the government dole?

Where will the money come from then to support all those people? Oh yeah, just take some more from the "Rich."

I will guarantee that those who are really "Rich" will have their money protected, including all those "Rich Politicans" of any flavor.

This whole discussion is a waste of time anyway. No one is going to convince any one else that they are wrong. Those on both sides are equally sure that they are right.

Time will show who is right.

[NRiderUSA]

Wonder why the people who passed it wont use it or be on it and when asked change the subject.
Also wonder how all the people that are so excited are going to feel when the taxes that are going to pay for it (that coincidently wont go into effect till after the election year) will feel when they realize what its going to cost them.

And yep.... he's proven time and time again to be a Socialist Dictator wanna be trying to turn us into a 3rd world country...... taking us one step at a time towards being a Greece, Italy..... wanna see where we are headed... just look at the countries that did this and where it took them.

They passed it saying it aint a tax because Obama promised..... now they are keeping it cause its a tax... so just another lube job Lie from the left passed in the middle of the night and by only one side.

The people didnt want it then and they dont want it now. 2010 mid terms were a preview of whats to come.

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by canedriver

If a business plans on shutting down then they were already on a thin profit margin. To thin to survive.

This will actually help small businesses.

A small business cannot negotiate lower insurance because of a lower demand. This is why say A Lowes has a lower health cost then say a small hardware store. By opening exchanges you just gave them purchasing power.

Who this really effects is low paying employers like McDonalds and Walmart and a host of others. They are either going to have to pay more of the costs or gives raises to employees to make it affordable. This is a win win for tax payers, all levels of government, as well as mom and pop Doctors who will see patients who now have insurance.

WIN for tax payers because your paying for the healthcare of low wage earners employed by billion dollar corporations like walmart. They pay low wages so workers forgo insurance. When you do not have insurance you use the ER as your doctors office. This will stop.

Win for governments because now money spent to pay for uninsured isnt needed. Everyone will have insurance. That money can now be used for a host other projects like infrastucture or paying down local debt.

Really a WIN for people who want to start there own businesses. Your going to have less cost because of number of employees and you can build the health costs into your business model as you grow.

Sure there are going to be speed bumps but in the end I have faith and hope it works out.

If you do not like it I am sure Rush has room on his plane to Costa Rica.

I am literally going to pass-on your "pearls" of wisdom Cane to the business leaders I know -- especially the business-owner I referred to, so he can use your words of wisdom with those he lays-off -- so they can feel better about "winning"!

The depth of your knowledge on economics and business has just been exposed...

[NRiderUSA]

Originally Posted by glwilson

I am literally going to pass-on your "pearls" of wisdom Cane to the business leaders I know -- especially the business-owner I referred to, so he can use your words of wisdom with those he lays-off -- so they can feel better about "winning"!

The depth of your knowledge on economics and business has just been exposed...

You stated it well before... read his diary of nightmares my father had or what ever it was called..... you can see who "they" elected.

Everyone has a brain, some just dont have all the channels turned on in it..... might be from drinking too much koolaid or maybe just a genetic thing.

Either way, they will not listen to anything they dont want to hear despite the facts presented to prove it.

[Bud2rat]

Yeah, Washington passing bills and laws that do not apply to them, so what do they have to lose..........................nothing!!!!!!!!. Lord help us all.

[ndbigfish]

This whole thing is just more taxes carefully balanced on the backs of the middle class. Someone will have to pay for this. The "rich" at the top will not be paying and the "poor" at the bottom will not be paying. Only those of us in the middle will be paying. Corporations and labor unions will not be paying.

Can some one explain to me how applying a financial penalty to those without insurance will be a positive thing? The reason people don't have insurance is because of the lack of financial means. Aren't you just trying to squeeze blood from a turnip? Lets also not forget all those that are exempt from this legislative piece; several large corporations, several large labor unions and some of our beloved politicians closest pals. Anyone that thinks the federal government is going help solve your problems is sadly mis-guided. Reagan had it right; the government is the problem.

[scion0]

Originally Posted by blowndodge

Unless Roberts decision to call it a tax is his attempt to destroy his reelection.

+1 Brad

[canedriver]

Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they are forced to have healthcare.

[Carpathia]

Originally Posted by canedriver

Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they are forced to have healthcare.

I'm with you. Like the metric system, Americans will be dragged - kicking and screaming - into the modern age.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

I feel it was a sad day for America.

[NRiderUSA]

Originally Posted by canedriver

Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they are forced to have healthcare.

Actually I'm betting those are the ones excited to hear that now the law will force everyone else to pay for their choices and singing praises to the mighty one for bending the laws to make it possible to strive for everything free and someone who will now take care of them at the expense of others who work.

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by canedriver

Only in America would so many overweight, diabetic people with heart disease be upset that they are forced to have healthcare.

Such a shallow, narrow-minded response...

[NRiderUSA]

Dont forget the new class of people they have now created in America.... "The Exempt from Obamacare Class"