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Old 12-19-2015, 12:45 AM   #31
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The dyno tuner should have addressed the popping during the tuning session, that is part of developing a custom map for a skoot. YOU should not have to deal with this.

I have been a DynoJet Dyno owner/operator since 1993 or so and I seriously question a gain of 10 H.P. AND 14 PNDS TORK. So far, with MANY MANY 1700's on my dyno, including well over 500 runs on my personal Vaquero, those gains are typical when comparing a STOCK 1700 to the results gained with your slip-ons and BAK. In other words the gains you quoted are not possible in a tuning session unless the gains are referring to what a stock 1700 makes.

Stock 1700's average 70 H.P. and bout 89 pnds tork, with the BIG 3 I see bout 80-82 H.P. and 100-102 pnds tork. Did you get a dyno sheet with the mapping and what are the peak numbers? I am interested as so many shops blow smoke up the customers you know what.

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Thanks for the info. They gave me a copy of the graph that shows the readings before and after the tuning. Torque and HP. I honestly wouldn't know whether they were blowing smoke or not.
I can scan it and email it if you would like to see it. When they told me it's normal to have the popping/backfiring I didn't believe it. They also said, which I think is def. garb, is that a stock bike backfires just as much, but you just don't notice it b'cuz of the stock mufflers.



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Old 12-19-2015, 06:36 AM   #32
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Thanks for the info. They gave me a copy of the graph that shows the readings before and after the tuning. Torque and HP. I honestly wouldn't know whether they were blowing smoke or not.
I can scan it and email it if you would like to see it. When they told me it's normal to have the popping/backfiring I didn't believe it. They also said, which I think is def. garb, is that a stock bike backfires just as much, but you just don't notice it b'cuz of the stock mufflers.
That is actually true. You dont hear it because the stock exhaust is heavily baffled. When you an open exhaust or muffler the sound is amplified and you definitley hear it. What you hear is actually not "Backfire" it is afterfire, unspent fuel being reignited in the hot exhaust. Thanks EPA. It will not harm the bike but anmoys the piss out of the rider. You can tune out the pop using the PCV. Work in the 0% throttle column and it will not affect the tune they did for you. Definitely worked for me. My bike rarely lets out a pipe fart.

We all forgot to ask it been so long. Did you block off the fresh air injection hose behind the rightside dogbowl cover at the 11:00 position? If you dont block it, no amount of tuning will get rid of your popping.
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Old 12-21-2015, 06:19 PM   #33
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Exactly what Ken said. Mine barely farts, if and when it does, it is not a loud annoying one.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:21 AM   #34
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That is actually true. You dont hear it because the stock exhaust is heavily baffled. When you an open exhaust or muffler the sound is amplified and you definitley hear it. What you hear is actually not "Backfire" it is afterfire, unspent fuel being reignited in the hot exhaust. Thanks EPA. It will not harm the bike but anmoys the piss out of the rider. You can tune out the pop using the PCV. Work in the 0% throttle column and it will not affect the tune they did for you. Definitely worked for me. My bike rarely lets out a pipe fart.

We all forgot to ask it been so long. Did you block off the fresh air injection hose behind the rightside dogbowl cover at the 11:00 position? If you dont block it, no amount of tuning will get rid of your popping.
I'll give your suggestions a shot with the zero column tuning. Dumb question here, but I'm guessing I would decrease the amt of fuel in the zero throttle position, correct ?? Hopefully that'll do it. Since I'm not as familiar with this stuff as most of you guys I have to ask. I have the Kuryakyn Alleycat Air Cleaner. If I remove it will the fresh air inj. hose be easy to locate. How did you block yours off ?
Also, my 2011 Vaquero has just over 3K miles. I know, that's pretty lame... When I installed my Vance and Hines Slash cut slip-ins I didn't replace the gaskets between the header and exhaust pipe. Should I do that as well ?

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Old 01-05-2016, 12:29 AM   #35
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I'm also willing to share the dyno tuned map that I received. Sorry I wasn't trying to be rude. just send me your e-mail.
Is the map you have for a 1700 Vaquero with v&h slash cuts and an air cleaner ?? If it is, would you mind sending the map you have. Thanks very much

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I'll give your suggestions a shot with the zero column tuning. Dumb question here, but I'm guessing I would decrease the amt of fuel in the zero throttle position, correct ?? Hopefully that'll do it. Since I'm not as familiar with this stuff as most of you guys I have to ask. I have the Kuryakyn Alleycat Air Cleaner. If I remove it will the fresh air inj. hose be easy to locate. How did you block yours off ?
Also, my 2011 Vaquero has just over 3K miles. I know, that's pretty lame... When I installed my Vance and Hines Slash cut slip-ins I didn't replace the gaskets between the header and exhaust pipe. Should I do that as well ?

Thanks for the tips
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Some BAK's instruct to KEEP the fresh air system connected and have the appropriate fittings on the kit to allow that system to remain active. Some BAK's include instructions on how to DISABLE that system.

I don't know the procedure for ur kit.

ANYWAYS, and this is a BIG ANYWAYS...IF that fresh air system was left operational and was fully functional during ur dyno tuning session, and the tuning session included sampling the air/fuel ratio, then the tuning is inaccurate due to the oxygen content brought into the
exhaust.

Dyno shops, as I do, MUST ask or ascertain if that fresh air system has been disconnected BEFORE the tuning session, and if it has not then it MUST be cancelled out to accomplish accurate air/fuel ratio analysis.

If you find that it has not been rendered inoperable then it is recommended the skoot be re-tuned with the system cancelled out.

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I'll give your suggestions a shot with the zero column tuning. Dumb question here, but I'm guessing I would decrease the amt of fuel in the zero throttle position, correct ?? Hopefully that'll do it. Since I'm not as familiar with this stuff as most of you guys I have to ask. I have the Kuryakyn Alleycat Air Cleaner. If I remove it will the fresh air inj. hose be easy to locate. How did you block yours off ?
Also, my 2011 Vaquero has just over 3K miles. I know, that's pretty lame... When I installed my Vance and Hines Slash cut slip-ins I didn't replace the gaskets between the header and exhaust pipe. Should I do that as well ?

Thanks for the tips
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The column usually reads all zeros unless your dyno tuner messed with it. I tried dropping up to 35% in that fuel column and still had popping. Decided to go the other direction and ended up at 4 in the 0 throttle column for fuel from 1250 rpm to redline. I do not suggest adding fuelbelow that because the idle will become rich and likely result in an overwhelming stench of fuel. I also added 4 in the 0 throttle position of the Ignition table for the same values, 1250 rpm to 5000 rpm. Popping gone 99.9%. An ocassional pipe fart at 2100 rpm with throttle closed on decel and usually only when the pipes are hot like in stop and go traffic.

Now the exhaust gaskets, as long as you were gentle in their removal when you took off the stock mufflers, you can reuse them as many of us have done. I installed my slipons after the 600 mile service. Right muffler gasket came right off, the left one was a little bitch and I had to finess it with small screw driver to get it off. I was able to reuse both with success.
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The type of gasket Kawi uses to seal mufflers to headers is a somewhat fragile graphite/ wire mesh gasket. If the mufflers are removed gently those gaskets can be re-used, BUT I ALWAYS apply copper hi-temp sealant to both the gasket and the mufflers and the muffler pipes.

I believe in the old saying "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

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just my 2 cents, listen to ray,he is a expert,he will not steer you wrong
 
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Is the map you have for a 1700 Vaquero with v&h slash cuts and an air cleaner ?? If it is, would you mind sending the map you have. Thanks very much

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Anyone here as a good map that is willing to share

Set up 2 into 1 FP
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Anyone here as a good map that is willing to share

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Hey I would also like to have the map, if anyone would care share it.
 
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Vaquero map needed

Please send map to me also. 2015 vaquero.
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