"If I wanted America to fail"

[NRiderUSA]

Interesting video.....

"If I wanted America to fail"

[Loafer]

That is so depressing, I can't stand to watch it.

[NRiderUSA]

Why so depressing? Truth?

[Loafer]

Always truth.

[canedriver]

I love propaganda.

If I wanted America to fail, I would institute an endless number of foreign wars, pitching all of them as essential to freedom. This will create a massive public expenditure, too massive for any nation to bear, as France in the 1700′s, England in the 1800′s, and Russia in the 1900′s found out.

I would replace science, math and facts with slanted opinions, and teach kids that truth is whatever they or their ministers want it to be. This will, over time, effectively kill off entire sectors of our knowledge industry, leaving us strong in missile technology, but weak in life sciences, just like N. Korea.

I would reverse the trend to secularity which has brought mankind so far so fast, and re-institute religious dominated societies so we can be more like Iran and Afghanistan. I would replace science with superstition.

I would encourage a winner-takes-all economy, so that wealth, power and opportunity accumulate in an increasingly smaller segment of society, so that talent and IQ is wasted, and so that we are led by those bred to lead, not by those who earned the right. I would starve public schools and invest in private schools.

I would relax pollution laws, so we become more like Rio or Mexico City, and our children grow up smaller and not quite as smart.

I would keep commodities, like energy, artificially cheap, so people don’t have to fret about things like efficiency, making us more like Venezuala.

I would shut down immigration, because while looting the world for its best and brightest and hardest working has made this country great and pushed us far ahead of other resource rich countries like Canada and Australia, now it threatens to make the lazy and less gifted uncomfortable.

[ringadingh]

It seems to be all based on greed by a few powerful corporations.

[NRiderUSA]

Originally Posted by canedriver

I love propaganda.

If I wanted America to fail, I would institute an endless number of foreign wars, pitching all of them as essential to freedom. This will create a massive public expenditure, too massive for any nation to bear, as France in the 1700′s, England in the 1800′s, and Russia in the 1900′s found out.

I would replace science, math and facts with slanted opinions, and teach kids that truth is whatever they or their ministers want it to be. This will, over time, effectively kill off entire sectors of our knowledge industry, leaving us strong in missile technology, but weak in life sciences, just like N. Korea.

I would reverse the trend to secularity which has brought mankind so far so fast, and re-institute religious dominated societies so we can be more like Iran and Afghanistan. I would replace science with superstition.

I would encourage a winner-takes-all economy, so that wealth, power and opportunity accumulate in an increasingly smaller segment of society, so that talent and IQ is wasted, and so that we are led by those bred to lead, not by those who earned the right. I would starve public schools and invest in private schools.

I would relax pollution laws, so we become more like Rio or Mexico City, and our children grow up smaller and not quite as smart.

I would keep commodities, like energy, artificially cheap, so people don’t have to fret about things like efficiency, making us more like Venezuala.

I would shut down immigration, because while looting the world for its best and brightest and hardest working has made this country great and pushed us far ahead of other resource rich countries like Canada and Australia, now it threatens to make the lazy and less gifted uncomfortable.

Well you must love it cause your spreading it.

Lets see to #1... your selective memory must have forgot Hilter, Muslini, Lenon, Stalin, Atilla the Hun.....up to date lets go to Irans leadership, Syrias leadership, the Uganda genicides, the Slovian genicides.....If your not too high and mighty on that pedistal.... Freedom isnt free and being the biggest baddest MF on the planet I think we owe it to anyone who asks and needs out help to prevent it from happening.

As to #2.... appears that you have won on that count, Global warming, not science just opinion against the science proving that this aint the first time the planet has done what its doing, its a goes around pattern type of thing... IF you base it on proven science.

#3....... I guess your trying to compare Americas Freedom of choice to something else... not sure what your talking about on that one. In the America I live in freedom of being gay to not gay, atheist to bible thumper are (were) all protected as your choice...

#4....... Where are you coming up with this shit???? You talking about Socialist Russia where if the government allows it you can have it? or Maybe Socialist Nazi Germany where your demonized and even executed for a religious belief so they can steal you wealth? (I guess the ultimate form of wealth redistrubution).

#5.... Man you been drinking too much of that koolaid... If the concern was really about pollution levels, why are we importing stuff made outside our own standards...if its true and we believe its true then why allow anyone not following our rules to sell their "pollution" generating wares here?

#6... So you prefer the artificially inflated version to scare people back into the 18th century technology world.....

#7... again you been drinking too much of that koolaid, no one is trying to shut down immigration, we have immigration rules, anyone can come to America, there are steps to doing it, there are millions of people who have done it and millions more who can do it......just got to follow our rules since by the way it is our country we can do that (Unless of course your referring to creating a new voter base, then that does change the view)..... so whats your point again?

Dont know where you get some of your examples from, maybe the early 1900's or what but your listing shit that isnt.... this video shows stuff that is.

BTY Happy BD

[blowndodge]

You know cane I was really trying to find your point of logic, really I was until the end when you said, "while looting the world for it's best and brightest......"

If I had that "opinion" of the US's motives for corruption I wouldn't live here. Why do you stay? I think the US has plenty of problems but I participate in the democratic voting process and hope to make a difference. I wouldn't live in a diabolical country that you've made the US out to be. Just sayin'

[canedriver]

LMAO so i made out the country to be diabolical? Umm no i addressed a certain party in an admittedly slanted light. Exactly how the video did, but hey that was acceptable.

[pagemastr]

The video and reading the responses are hilarious! Free markets, bailouts, no problem there with the free markets right?

"I would encourage a winner-takes-all economy, so that wealth, power and opportunity accumulate in an increasingly smaller segment of society, so that talent and IQ is wasted, and so that we are led by those bred to lead, not by those who earned the right. I would starve public schools and invest in private schools."

Excellent points as evidence shows: seems the the dumber the Republicans keep the electorate, the more they lessen access to the voting booth, the more likely their chances of accomplishing the former! For anyone paying attention to what is going on in States like Ohio, Fla, Wisconson with funding for Charter schools, election laws, woman's rights, and the privitatization of Education, I always ask that when all schools are 'for profit,' who profits... kids?

From the video "to despair, not dream..." People posting this sh1t and believing it... more fear mongering, an art finely tuned during the last administration. Get a life!

[NRiderUSA]

Originally Posted by pagemastr

Excellent points as evidence shows: seems the the dumber the Republicans keep the electorate, the more they lessen access to the voting booth, the more likely their chances of accomplishing the former! For anyone paying attention to what is going on in States like Ohio, Fla, Wisconson with funding for Charter schools, election laws, woman's rights, and the privitatization of Education, I always ask that when all schools are 'for profit,' who profits... kids?

What evidence? All I hear is an opinion.

Seems like the evidence I have seen point to dumbing down the students by making a C = an A cause there werent enough high scores.
Also the usual from the left its not fair that you expect American children to speak english, so the classes should be in street slang...Thought we supposed to be teaching them, its school.

Where is evidence you speak of?

You need to get a life and look at the whole picture, not just the one your trying to sell.

The left has spent the last 60 years trying to dumb down the children...... and as usual from the left your trying to blame everyone else for what you do.

The Dark Intentions of Public Schooling

[glwilson]

Give it up Rick with these two... not worth it.

Cane and Page... if you don't like this country, then move out. There are plenty of countries that seem to be based on your "likes". Yeah, they might need a little work, but I am sure the both of you can figure it out and get them straight.

[pagemastr]

Nrider, GL... blinded by fox news, what more can I say?
Evidence? Look at the polls, Taxes on the rich (making more than either if us could imagine... admit it... you are one of the 99% ), does anyone think it is possible to pay down the mess we have ourselves in without raising taxes? Republicans vote against it though their constituents support it by a large margin. My suggestion is to repeal ALL of the bush tax cuts! Military spending doubled under the previous administration, I say we cut it in half!

Limiting voting access in states mentioned... to what end? No evidence of fraud yet States under Republican control are limiting voter access (weekends prior to election day, Less time for voting, restrictions on absentee voting) making it harder to register voters and to vote, well beyond ID laws (which I can agree with to a point). Why I ask are Republicans afraid of voters?

Women's rights; smaller government you say? All the while the Right is trying to control what a woman can do with her body and to get into your bedroom to say what and how to have sex... anti abortion, anti birth control yet whining about supporting children in poverty...so hypocritical... smaller Government my a$$! Listen to yourselves lately? Laughable to hear pro life candidates who support the death penalty . Perry come to mind for anyone here... too funny if not so hypocritical!

"Dumb down the children" ...Republicans cutting education, promoting charter schools (Ohio, WI, Fla, MI, ... shall I go on?) for the benefit of who, the kids? Nope... to the benefit only of those who can afford to contribute to the right-wing extremist tea-partiers, coincidentally all in Republican held states, whose only answer is to privatize everything under the guise of saving taxpayer money? Please, tell me, you don't really believe it will benefit anyone except those paying for their re-election? It is a pipe dream if not a wet one to imagine privatization will save the taxpayer a dime in taxes! Again: Money in politics breeds corruption, something I think we agree on yet if it supports your beliefs, all the better! What a freaking joke!

Ohio law: Privatize if it saves the taxpayers 5% in the first year, no mention of subsequent years, and no matter if they decide to raise the cost to the state after the first year, then what? Taxpayers on the hook for additional costs after that! Fact: Ohio could not privatize more than one prison simply because they couldn't do it any cheaper than the State!!! Saving taxpayer money through privatization... right!

Canedriver, you nailed it! Problem seems to be that a few here desire to be a big fish in a small pond willing to express their opinons while assuming their opinions are those of a majority... who cannot tolerate opinions other than theirs. Rather than accept that others have a different view they would rather exclaim "not worth it" and "if you don't like this county..." I wonder what gves the impression I (we) don't love this country as much as they do? Oh, I get it, I don't share their views so I must hate this country right? "If you aren't with us you must be against us" So much for the freedom of expression they preach to support... hypocrites!

Laughable again to hear the vocal minority here seem their views are of the majority, and if someone disagrees they are "not worth it" rather than trying to consider a view different from theirs.

NR: Your link to the dark intentions... I teach HS, and it is so far from the truth it is evident you have never been in a classroom teaching! What a total waste of my time to even recognize it and wil restrain from comment beyond that or risk being banned from the board... but I bet it gets your goat that I am teaching your kids

[ringadingh]

Maybe a bit off topic, but I read the paper earlier and Ontario wants to pass a law where anyone that makes over $500,000.00 a year will pay a higher rate of income tax. This is to help pay down our deficit. I'm not sure if that will work, as I'm sure those high earners will find a way around it in other forms of compensation.
I'd like to see a law where the lowest person's salary is say; 50% of the highest salary in the company. This way the guys who like the challenge of making tons of money can still go nuts.

[schoeney]

Man...be told you had to pay the lowest guy 50 % of the highest paid in a company?

Not in my company! I choose the wages (beyond the minimum) and you choose whether you want to work there or not. It is the free market working. If I am tied to only twice the amount of the lowest guy why would I want to take all the risk in this sue happy world not to mention the financial risk? Not to mention all the countless hours and sacrifices most business owners invest early in their companies.

Can you imagine Bill Gates or Steve Jobs paying the lowest guy 50% year in and year out? Our gadgets would cost a heck of alot more and we couldn't compete with other countries. Or all those jobs would be overseas.

If a group of employees want to get together and form a union that is OK too, but don't forget in the free market I can take a risk and say "sorry I am not dealing with a union" or I can say OK what you are proposing is reasonable. But I would never never start a business with a mandated 50% rule. I may decide to pay 50% on my own but it would be my choice not someone else's.

Employees should earn the higher wages not be handed them.

Our government establishes an hourly minimum wage already. Not enough to provide a decent living but a great incentive to get a good education, or work harder, smarter, or for someone else.