Does my new victory

[ponch]

Originally Posted by redjay

My guess is a V twin is cheaper to produce than an inline four ?

How many would like the comfort and amenities of say a Voyager, but with an inline four engine, with better mileage ?

I don't know if it would get better mileage. The C14 doesn't do any better and it's a lighter and more aerodynamic bike. It's also a shitload quicker and faster.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by GIBBY

$4,500.00 to be exact on m.s.r.p.

I saw a new 2011 cross roads for sale on CL for 12,800.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by GIBBY

As stated, "20th century technology."

Very early 20th century.

So is my RT. It's design dates back to 1923. The difference is that it has true oil cooling, 4 valves per cylinder, 12:1 compression, a real closed loop engine management system that allows it to run on 89 octane. It makes 110hp from 1170ccs. Not bad for a twin that gets in the mid 40's in mileage with my huge ass on it and yet the bike only weighs 570 (it has a load capacity of 520lbs) with a full tank of gas, which by the way is 7.1 gallons. 20th century indeed.

[GIBBY]

Originally Posted by ponch

So is my RT. It's design dates back to 1923. The difference is that it has true oil cooling, 4 valves per cylinder, 12:1 compression, a real closed loop engine management system that allows it to run on 89 octane. It makes 110hp from 1170ccs. Not bad for a twin that gets in the mid 40's in mileage with my huge ass on it and yet the bike only weighs 570 (it has a load capacity of 520lbs) with a full tank of gas, which by the way is 7.1 gallons. 20th century indeed.

I seriously doubt that it had a closed loop fuel injection system or an on board computer to run it in 1923. Apples & oranges

[ponch]

Originally Posted by GIBBY

I seriously doubt that it had a closed loop fuel injection system or an on board computer to run it in 1923. Apples & oranges

Neither did HD.

[GIBBY]

Does that boxer type engine have pushrods, or a chain drive primary? Apples and oranges.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by GIBBY

Does that boxer type engine have pushrods, or a chain drive primary? Apples and oranges.

No pushrods anymore, never had a primary drive. To my point, a chevy v-8 still has pushrods and two valves per cylinder. It's not apples and oranges in that HD and BMW have improved their offerings over the years while maintaining an aesthetic that is true to their founding. I like both Victory and HD, but when it comes to aesthetics, HD has them beat. I hope Indian delivers on promise without the exorbitant price so as to give some competition to those where TOMA counts. When someone says american motorcycle, they don't think of Victory. If I wasn't right, they wouldn't have bought Indian.

[GIBBY]

Lets see, Victory has only been around for 15 years and has more American manufactured parts than a Harley Davidson and has a FAR superior engine. And if you knew half as much as you think you do you would know that Victory did not buy Indian Motorcycles, Polaris did.
I guess it is only the ignorant or uninformed that only think of Harley Davidson or Indian when speaking of American Motorcycles.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by GIBBY

Lets see, Victory has only been around for 15 years and has more American manufactured parts than a Harley Davidson and has a FAR superior engine. And if you knew half as much as you think you do you would know that Victory did not buy Indian Motorcycles, Polaris did.

Polaris is the parent company. Woop de do. It's like FoMoCo owns Ford and Lincoln. I hope there is more differentiation between Indian and Victory than what FoMoCo claims with Ford and Lincoln.

Insulting me will not get you anywhere. If you drink the Kool-Aid, fine. I don't unnecessarily defend any particular brand. They all have their worts and acne. What you fail to understand is that it doesn't matter what is better on paper or in praxis, it's what people believe. Beliefs are what sells anything, whether it's motorcycles, alcohol or religion. You could give 1000 reasons why Victory is a better bike and it won't matter to someone that believes otherwise. It's just the way human nature is. Lastly, there's little victory in cutting down something or someone else to elevate yourself, no pun intended.

[Kawhead]

Originally Posted by ponch

Polaris is the parent company. Woop de do. It's like FoMoCo owns Ford and Lincoln. I hope there is more differentiation between Indian and Victory than what FoMoCo claims with Ford and Lincoln.

Insulting me will not get you anywhere. If you drink the Kool-Aid, fine. I don't unnecessarily defend any particular brand. They all have their worts and acne. What you fail to understand is that it doesn't matter what is better on paper or in praxis, it's what people believe. Beliefs are what sells anything, whether it's motorcycles, alcohol or religion. You could give 1000 reasons why Victory is a better bike and it won't matter to someone that believes otherwise. It's just the way human nature is. Lastly, there's little victory in cutting down something or someone else to elevate yourself, no pun intended.

Woop de do

You just saved that man from wounding up living in a van down by the river.

Beliefs are what sells anything, whether it's motorcycles, alcohol or religion.
Political Propaganda. Because of man and cows fartin' the Earffs to hot an getting hotter, the national debt ain't high enough. We landed on the moon ....It never seems to end

[ponch]

Originally Posted by Kawhead

Woop de do

You just saved that man from wounding up living in a van down by the river.

Beliefs are what sells anything, whether it's motorcycles, alcohol or religion.
Political Propaganda. Because of man and cows fartin' the Earffs to hot an getting hotter, the national debt ain't high enough. We landed on the moon ....It never seems to end

Mikey, it's true. People will believe anything. Just go to Roswell and ask someone about Greys and Reptilians. Man's thinking is A Priori, meaning we more than dabble in confirmational bias. In other words we use logic to justify what we already believe, even if everything that is known proves otherwise.

BTW, we did land on the moon.

[dshelly]

After all of that...... Nice Polaris Brad!!!

[GIBBY]

Originally Posted by ponch

Polaris is the parent company. Woop de do. It's like FoMoCo owns Ford and Lincoln. I hope there is more differentiation between Indian and Victory than what FoMoCo claims with Ford and Lincoln.

Insulting me will not get you anywhere. If you drink the Kool-Aid, fine. I don't unnecessarily defend any particular brand. They all have their worts and acne. What you fail to understand is that it doesn't matter what is better on paper or in praxis, it's what people believe. Beliefs are what sells anything, whether it's motorcycles, alcohol or religion. You could give 1000 reasons why Victory is a better bike and it won't matter to someone that believes otherwise. It's just the way human nature is. Lastly, there's little victory in cutting down something or someone else to elevate yourself, no pun intended.

If you think that Victory and Polaris are are one and the same you are sadly mistaken. Polaris also is the parent company of Brammo Inc., G.E.M. and has a large interest in KTM, yet you chose to align Indian Motorcycles with Victory. I do NOT think that Victory is superior to any other motorcycle, but discounting them as something other than what they are is insulting. So, if you think that you are taking the high road maybe you should think again.

[Kawhead]

Originally Posted by dshelly

After all of that...... Nice Polaris Brad!!!

I think that one was three threads ago. If I'm not mistaken on this one he wanted to know if, before proceeding with implants, the Polaris make his Man Boobs look big enough.

[glwilson]

It's an epidemic!!!! Now Netnorske has bought a new Victory X-Country!!!!

Oh my... what's the world coming to?