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redjay · 04-17-2016, 04:03 PM

Do you have to pay for the return delivery ?

**JD Hog** · 04-17-2016, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by redjay

Do you have to pay for the return delivery ?

Yes, he gives you options for the speed/cost. For mine from NY to CA was 3-days FedEx at $28.00 and I could have picked 4-5 days at $21.00.

I think those are good prices because they are also insured if lost.

BigDog1294 · 04-17-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dabull

Anyone have any mileage numbers after the Ivan flash?

Dabull,
I have a route that I rode prior to the flash. Not extremely scientific (windage, traffic, etc) but I rode it again today-very similar conditions and trip data. I picked up about 1 MPG. Before the flash I got 45.9 indicated/41.5 actual. After flash, 44.1 indicated/42.4 actual. I've been averaging 39-43 calculated quite regularly, so not a huge jump for me. Still, the performance increase was well worth it.

Lumberjack · 04-17-2016, 09:28 PM

I called the shop and you do not need the Cobra FP. I then asked if leaving it on would be merely redundant or would it actually be a bad idea? He said leaving it on wouldn't do anything bad but it is not necessary.

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Originally Posted by smokey

I would be interested as well except that I would have to remove the ecu and that would mean downtime and the fact that spring has sprung says not now. As far as the heat issue, most of the heat that you feel actually comes from the rear header pipe, I installed the KAMS in my 2010 and it made a world of difference, and coupled with the heat shields I have on the bike, I get no heat at all.

It is too bad that Ivan does not do a one for one swap, as then I would probably go for it, he send me a revised one and I send him my stock one, I have tri ovals, the Alley kat air cleaner and the Cobra AT, I am wondering though if the flash just complements the Auto tuner or I can get rid of it all together?

farmertk · 04-18-2016, 06:52 AM

Hey all, the jury is still out on the mileage on my bike. Haven't been on a long ride yet, just riding to work everyday, and I can say that probably any gain will be wiped out cause it runs so much better that I find myself running it a lot harder now. Cant believe how hard it pulls compared to stock. For me it was money well spent. One thing I do notice is the cold start is not as good as stock, it wont fire as quick as it used to. It always starts but just makes ya freak for a second,lol, if that makes any sense.

MorganB · 04-18-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo279

Hey VE3

What method did you ship your ECU to Ivan? I am currently in Arizona where I have my 2011 Voyager which I rode all winter. I spend the summers in Calgary (home) and when I return there in a few weeks I have purchased a 2015 Voyager (new) from my dealer and I am seriously considering sending the ECU from the new bike to Ivan for a flash. I don't want that process to take any longer than needed but don't want to break the bank with shipping costs either. Any info is appreciated on the best way to ship the ECU. Thanks.

I just shipped mine from Ontario. Expresspost, 3 days, with $850 insurance was $49.95 . I really wanted to do the overnight shipping but it will only cover up to $100 insurance.

Zeineth · 04-18-2016, 10:03 AM

ok so i have about 600 miles now on the Ivanated ECU. There is defiantly a slight improvement in fuel mileage. But no one is ever going to see it in fact i bet most will have worse mileage. The problem is going to be for everyone the right wrist, it is going to twist so much after the update that all MPG benefits will be negated by acceleration over and over again so you can feel that insane pull and that incredible exhaust tone. Even with 2 up riding up hill it still pulls like a Mack Truck!!! My wife was on the back yesterday for the first time this year, she said to me "what the hell did you do to your motor?? I am getting a sore neck from having to hold it up every time you take off!!" lol Ivanated is now wife approved. hahaha

Zeineth · 04-18-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by redjay

Do you have to pay for the return delivery ?

For me to eastern Ontario it was $55 US Shipping. There Shipping is more expensive then ours.

BobBear · 04-19-2016, 07:43 PM

Kinda sucks that Kawasaki can't tune these engines properly at the factory......

Nomad1968 · 04-19-2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BobBear

Kinda sucks that Kawasaki can't tune these engines properly at the factory......

You can thank the EPA for that

**JD Hog** · 04-19-2016, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BobBear

Kinda sucks that Kawasaki can't tune these engines properly at the factory......

I said this in another thread a while back. Our cars run fine with all the emission requirements in place. Why can't the bike manufacturers do the same?

Nomad1968 · 04-19-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Hog

I said this in another thread a while back. Our cars run fine with all the emission requirements in place. Why can't the bike manufacturers do the same?

Hummm I don't quite agree with this. I have a Mazda CX7 all stock and a friend of mine have the same car with mods and ECU flashed. Two totally different cars. Car runs fine but it is definitely castrated to meet EPA regulations

**JD Hog** · 04-19-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad1968

Hummm I don't quite agree with this. I have a Mazda CX7 all stock and a friend of mine have the same car with mods and ECU flashed. Two totally different cars. Car runs fine but it is definitely castrated to meet EPA regulations

Yes I understand that it is castrated but our cars run much soother at very low speed and don't run hot in stop and go traffic like the bikes do.

Back when the smog devices came out for the cars they ran horrible. After a while the auto industry was able to take care of those problems. They do have less HP but run very smoothly now.

I do believe that the motorcycle industry can take care of these issues but chose not to because we still buy the products and do that ourselves.

Ken Vega · 04-19-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Hog

Yes I understand that it is castrated but our cars run much soother at very low speed and don't run hot in stop and go traffic like the bikes do.

Back when the smog devices came out for the cars they ran horrible. After a while the auto industry was able to take care of those problems. They do have less HP but run very smoothly now.

I do believe that the motorcycle industry can take care of these issues but chose not to because we still buy the products and do that ourselves.

My Dodge Charger ran OK when new, but when I bought the Predator Tuner and flashed the ECU, I really felt the HEMI unleashed. Same with these bikes.

BobBear · 04-20-2016, 09:13 AM

I don't really see Kawasaki giving a crap about the issue. In the past manufacturers would work with the aftermarket to get corrective tools in the hands of their customers. For example, why is a device to communicate with the ECU an expensive, propriatory device? The release of the firmware protocol and communication specs as well as hardware specs would result in a flood of programming maps to the aftermarket. As it is, you have one guy named Ivan who had to literally disassemble the firmware and spend hours and hours experimenting with different memory addresses and data to figure it all out. It shouldn't be this way.

If Kawasaki just wants to kick bikes out of the factory that meet specs and pass muster, that's fine and from a legal perspective I understand that. But if you're someone who wants to get the most out of your bike without selling your soul then perhaps a Harley or Victory is the better choice. Just sayin........

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Zeineth Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Odessa, Ontario Canada Posts: 111	ok so i have about 600 miles now on the Ivanated ECU. There is defiantly a slight improvement in fuel mileage. But no one is ever going to see it in fact i bet most will have worse mileage. The problem is going to be for everyone the right wrist, it is going to twist so much after the update that all MPG benefits will be negated by acceleration over and over again so you can feel that insane pull and that incredible exhaust tone. Even with 2 up riding up hill it still pulls like a Mack Truck!!! My wife was on the back yesterday for the first time this year, she said to me "what the hell did you do to your motor?? I am getting a sore neck from having to hold it up every time you take off!!" lol Ivanated is now wife approved. hahaha __________________ VBA #02668 2014 Voyager ABS Thunder Mfg Tear-drop breather V&H Slip on's Ivanated ECU Air shocks with compressor and remote Rear speaker kit Clarion Amp 6.5" speaker adapters Polk Audio 6.5" front speaker. RACNRAY ISO grips with throttle mod. Bushtek Turbo 2+ trailer LED Headlight LED Driving lights Pulsating break light
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04-19-2016, 07:43 PM	#129
BobBear Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 86	Kinda sucks that Kawasaki can't tune these engines properly at the factory......
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04-20-2016, 09:13 AM	#135
BobBear Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 86	I don't really see Kawasaki giving a crap about the issue. In the past manufacturers would work with the aftermarket to get corrective tools in the hands of their customers. For example, why is a device to communicate with the ECU an expensive, propriatory device? The release of the firmware protocol and communication specs as well as hardware specs would result in a flood of programming maps to the aftermarket. As it is, you have one guy named Ivan who had to literally disassemble the firmware and spend hours and hours experimenting with different memory addresses and data to figure it all out. It shouldn't be this way. If Kawasaki just wants to kick bikes out of the factory that meet specs and pass muster, that's fine and from a legal perspective I understand that. But if you're someone who wants to get the most out of your bike without selling your soul then perhaps a Harley or Victory is the better choice. Just sayin........
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