2014 Harleys H2o cooled - Page 4

blowndodge · 08-20-2013, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cactusjack

Nice write up, Mr. Wilson. I am going to try to make it down to Chandler HD this weekend to take a look for myself. I am NOT in the market for a new bike, at least for this year.

Thats's because your a CHEAP BASTARD!!

radco · 08-21-2013, 07:42 AM

After all the years HD has been fighting the fed's I knew they would have to change,, Seen the water cooled design's for years,, They started playing with water cooled back in the 70's I believe, Code name was NOVA if memory serve's me right.. Good to see HD is catching up with the time's sad to see the old design starting to fall away!

Beside the lower's They also looked at installing the radiator somewhere behind the motor. I cannt find the drawing I had but will keep looking

KURT44 · 08-21-2013, 08:38 AM

It will be interesting to see if this affects the resale value of the older Harleys. One of the biggest reasons I got the VV (water cooled) over a used Harley. Heck my 1995 lawnmower is liquid cooled!

Netnorske · 08-21-2013, 09:10 AM

The re-sale value of the older traditional bikes will probably go up now as they will become "classics". Only in the HD world does chit like that happen....

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**schoeney** · 08-21-2013, 09:23 AM

I will admit I have not followed HD specs very close but I did not realize they are all chain drive? Really? I thought they had moved to belts? CORRECTION: Thanks for the clarification Gibby I guess they are belt afterall.

In looking at the specs on the HD site it looks like only 3 Models are water cooled (ooops I mean TWIN Performance Cooled

) the Ultra Limited, The Tri Glide Ultra, the CVO Limited ($38,000....yikes!)

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...are-bikes.html

That should leave enough of the line up air cooled for the hard core that can't move out of the past.

**ringadingh** · 08-21-2013, 09:26 AM

I'll stop by my local HD dealer and see if any have made there way north yet. I can just imagine what the price will be here, the regular Ultra Classic is 28k here.

**GIBBY** · 08-21-2013, 09:29 AM

Final drive on all Harley Davidsons is belt drive. Primary is chain.

dank · 08-21-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ringadingh

I'll stop by my local HD dealer and see if any have made there way north yet. I can just imagine what the price will be here, the regular Ultra Classic is 28k here.

Yeah, but those aren't real dollars!

**glwilson** · 08-21-2013, 01:18 PM

For those enjoying yourself poking fun at the term "Twin-Cooled", might want to consider it is not a truly "full-water-cooled" system, thus stating it is water-cooled by HD would not be a true statement.

The engine is not water-jacketed as a water-cooled engine would be. It is a small system only cooling the heads, along with an improved oil-cooler.

So there

blowndodge · 08-21-2013, 01:36 PM

Water cooling just the heads I think is a waste of time. It didn't work well for the overheating Nomads that still needed a processor to run cooler.

dank · 08-21-2013, 01:57 PM

I don’t know Brad, sounds like an engineering marvel to me, good old American iron know-how setting the bar a just little higher than Victory can jump!

Bdog · 08-21-2013, 02:04 PM

Now that Harley has folded their old ways and in Harley fasion has confessed to having an antiquated machine by going to "precision water cooling heads" soon all old Harley engines will evaporate in history due to the over populated visa bikers of today that become instant bad ass bikers due to their visa cards. Within a few years Harley will on their own terms become fully water cooled and within their promotional ranks they will devour yesterday as being un cool (no pun here). Within five years most Harleys still on the roads will be dripping in coolant and the new crowd of bikers will kill the old regime. I can see it now...separation within the ranks..this could lead to mayham in the world of Harley.
The old Nomad ( limited due to Kawasaki's traditional 9 yr runs) will soon rise to prominence and will be much sought after prizes. Even if they have a mere 150k miles on them.
Apon further thought processing, it seems to me that the Nomad no longer looks like a Japanese Harley, but with the new precision water cooled Harleys...hmmm....they are starting to look like Japanese NOMADS.

dank · 08-21-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdog

Apon further thought processing, it seems to me that the Nomad no longer looks like a Japanese Harley, but with the new precision water cooled Harleys...hmmm....they are starting to look like Japanese NOMADS.

They always were Japanese Nomads. Did 5:00 come early in Alberta today?

cactusjack · 08-21-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bdog

Now that Harley has folded their old ways and in Harley fasion has confessed to having an antiquated machine by going to "precision water cooling heads" soon all old Harley engines will evaporate in history due to the over populated visa bikers of today that become instant bad ass bikers due to their visa cards. Within a few years Harley will on their own terms become fully water cooled and within their promotional ranks they will devour yesterday as being un cool (no pun here). Within five years most Harleys still on the roads will be dripping in coolant and the new crowd of bikers will kill the old regime. I can see it now...separation within the ranks..this could lead to mayham in the world of Harley.
The old Nomad ( limited due to Kawasaki's traditional 9 yr runs) will soon rise to prominence and will be much sought after prizes. Even if they have a mere 150k miles on them.
Apon further thought processing, it seems to me that the Nomad no longer looks like a Japanese Harley, but with the new precision water cooled Harleys...hmmm....they are starting to look like Japanese NOMADS.

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Originally Posted by dank

They always were Japanese Nomads. Did 5:00 come early in Alberta today?

You guys are seriously delusional.

elvis · 08-21-2013, 03:08 PM

I am curious why and how people develop so much hatred towards a M/C brand.

08-21-2013, 07:42 AM	#47
radco Sr. Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dedham Maine Posts: 4,199	After all the years HD has been fighting the fed's I knew they would have to change,, Seen the water cooled design's for years,, They started playing with water cooled back in the 70's I believe, Code name was NOVA if memory serve's me right.. Good to see HD is catching up with the time's sad to see the old design starting to fall away! Beside the lower's They also looked at installing the radiator somewhere behind the motor. I cannt find the drawing I had but will keep looking __________________ Last edited by radco; 08-21-2013 at 08:12 AM.
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08-21-2013, 08:38 AM	#48
KURT44 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: WEST OF ROCKFORD IL. Posts: 133	It will be interesting to see if this affects the resale value of the older Harleys. One of the biggest reasons I got the VV (water cooled) over a used Harley. Heck my 1995 lawnmower is liquid cooled! __________________ Kurt44 2012 voyager Happy trails!
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08-21-2013, 09:10 AM	#49
Netnorske Top Contributor Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Everett, Washington Posts: 5,709	The re-sale value of the older traditional bikes will probably go up now as they will become "classics". Only in the HD world does chit like that happen....! __________________ *Kris Olsen* VBA #0691 2017 HD Ultra Limited Low 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour 2012 1700 Vulcan Voyager 2008 1600 Vulcan Nomad 1997 Vulcan 800 Classic *"Growing old is mandatory,* *but growing up is optional"* Custer 2009\|Kalispell 2010\|Cortez 2010\|Crescent City 2011\|Kanab 2012\|Canmore 2012\|Estes Park 2013\|Orofino 2014\|Lake Tahoe 2015\|Red Lodge 2016
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08-21-2013, 09:23 AM	#50
schoeney Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NW Region Posts: 5,222	I will admit I have not followed HD specs very close but I did not realize they are all chain drive? Really? I thought they had moved to belts? CORRECTION: Thanks for the clarification Gibby I guess they are belt afterall. In looking at the specs on the HD site it looks like only 3 Models are water cooled (ooops I mean TWIN Performance Cooled ) the Ultra Limited, The Tri Glide Ultra, the CVO Limited ($38,000....yikes!) http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...are-bikes.html That should leave enough of the line up air cooled for the hard core that can't move out of the past. __________________ VBA #659 2003 Nomad 1500 (Gone but never forgotten) 2005 Honda ST1300 - Sweet and still kickin 2006 Honda Goldwing - Best Boat in the Marina Login or Register to Remove Ads Last edited by schoeney; 08-21-2013 at 09:37 AM.
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08-21-2013, 09:26 AM	#51
ringadingh Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newmarket Ontario Canada Posts: 35,387	I'll stop by my local HD dealer and see if any have made there way north yet. I can just imagine what the price will be here, the regular Ultra Classic is 28k here. __________________ 2002 Nomad aka Bountyhunter VBA #27 VROC #18951
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08-21-2013, 09:29 AM	#52
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08-21-2013, 01:18 PM	#54
glwilson Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 8,575	For those enjoying yourself poking fun at the term "Twin-Cooled", might want to consider it is not a truly "full-water-cooled" system, thus stating it is water-cooled by HD would not be a true statement. The engine is not water-jacketed as a water-cooled engine would be. It is a small system only cooling the heads, along with an improved oil-cooler. So there __________________ "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." "You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts." *Former VBA NCR Assist Regional Leader* Formerly: 2004 1500FI Bronze Nomad: 2009 & 2014 HD Ultra Current Rides: 2017 HD Ultra Limited & 2011 Can Am Spyder RTS-SE Attended: VBA National Rallies 2009, 2011, 2015; VBA/NCR Regional Rally 2010, 12, 14, 16 and several rides throughout with regional members. VBA Member #652 HOG Member #3935417
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08-21-2013, 01:36 PM	#55
blowndodge Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington City, Utah Posts: 16,474	Water cooling just the heads I think is a waste of time. It didn't work well for the overheating Nomads that still needed a processor to run cooler. __________________ I love my Victory Cross Country Tour 106. Smells like Victory! Ultra's are Limited There are two types of Harley riders. Those that trailer them and those that push them. The most Interesting Man in the World "Find the things in life you don't do well and don't do those things" Member # 0005
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08-21-2013, 01:57 PM	#56
dank Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,595	I don’t know Brad, sounds like an engineering marvel to me, good old American iron know-how setting the bar a just little higher than Victory can jump! __________________ Dan K Member #100 2009 ST1300: Performance exceeding even Victory riders' boasts.
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08-21-2013, 02:04 PM	#57
Bdog Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ft. Mcmurray Ab. Posts: 1,447	Now that Harley has folded their old ways and in Harley fasion has confessed to having an antiquated machine by going to "precision water cooling heads" soon all old Harley engines will evaporate in history due to the over populated visa bikers of today that become instant bad ass bikers due to their visa cards. Within a few years Harley will on their own terms become fully water cooled and within their promotional ranks they will devour yesterday as being un cool (no pun here). Within five years most Harleys still on the roads will be dripping in coolant and the new crowd of bikers will kill the old regime. I can see it now...separation within the ranks..this could lead to mayham in the world of Harley. The old Nomad ( limited due to Kawasaki's traditional 9 yr runs) will soon rise to prominence and will be much sought after prizes. Even if they have a mere 150k miles on them. Apon further thought processing, it seems to me that the Nomad no longer looks like a Japanese Harley, but with the new precision water cooled Harleys...hmmm....they are starting to look like Japanese NOMADS. __________________
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08-21-2013, 03:08 PM	#60
elvis Sr. Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,785	I am curious why and how people develop so much hatred towards a M/C brand.
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