Not bad for a Victory

[ponch]

Originally Posted by blowndodge

Jim it's not like you to be myopic. C14's and ST1300's are superbike engines in a sport touring frame. Are you doubting that??? My Vic is loafing along at 75 MPH at 2800 rpms. Whats a ST and C14's spinning?

ST1300 isn't a superbike engine. The C14 engine was derived from the ZX1400. If that's the case, the VROD engine is a superbike engine as is the engine on the Scout and the Vulcan S. It's just operating range. Even the Vulcan 800 I had could rev to 8K. That said, I don't know what the ST or C14 operate at normally. My RT likes to be between 4-5K most of the time and redlines at 8K. The new RT goes to 9K. I think the S1000RR's redline is around 14K.

[schoeney]

I am out of town but that rpm level sounds similar to the St 1300. If I was in town I could check it.

Jim...Believe it or not the st1300 is both quicker and faster than the V Rod... 0-60, top speed and 1/4 mile. Surprised me.

This is according to printed data from Motorcycle Consumer News.

Dave Shelly... I will have to disagree this time. The st1300 is nothing like a crotch rocket. It really excels at touring. It doesn't have some of the features of the latest FJR or BMWs but the core bike is really impressive and can only be fully appreciated on multi day ride.

Honda does not even list it as a sportbike on their website ... They list as a touring bike.

Getting that big Victory off the ground is pretty impressive.

I give Kris and sometimes Brad a little ribbing about their Victory's but they are pretty sweet bikes. If I was going to buy another bagger it would be a toss up between the Victory and the Goldwing. Not sure if everyone would consider the Goldwing a bagger but I do.

[blowndodge]

Originally Posted by ponch

ST1300 isn't a superbike engine. The C14 engine was derived from the ZX1400. If that's the case, the VROD engine is a superbike engine as is the engine on the Scout and the Vulcan S. It's just operating range. Even the Vulcan 800 I had could rev to 8K. That said, I don't know what the ST or C14 operate at normally. My RT likes to be between 4-5K most of the time and redlines at 8K. The new RT goes to 9K. I think the S1000RR's redline is around 14K.

When that Honda V-4 came out it most certainly was a superbike motor. Your memory is short. It was one of the baddest motors around.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by blowndodge

When that Honda V-4 came out it most certainly was a superbike motor. Your memory is short. It was one of the baddest motors around.

It's not the same engine as the Interceptor/Sabre engine. It's quite different. A lot heavier too.

[blowndodge]

Ok you made a compelling argument dispelling Dave and my opinion that V-Twins and V-4's and inline 4's are the same engine and V-twins are woefully under powered. Can we leave highway stupid now? Geez... You sound like Josh Earnest spinning the argument to something nobody was debating...

[blowndodge]

Originally Posted by schoeney

I am out of town but that rpm level sounds similar to the St 1300. If I was in town I could check it.

Jim...Believe it or not the st1300 is both quicker and faster than the V Rod... 0-60, top speed and 1/4 mile. Surprised me.

This is according to printed data from Motorcycle Consumer News.

Dave Shelly... I will have to disagree this time. The st1300 is nothing like a crotch rocket. It really excels at touring. It doesn't have some of the features of the latest FJR or BMWs but the core bike is really impressive and can only be fully appreciated on multi day ride.

Honda does not even list it as a sportbike on their website ... They list as a touring bike.

Getting that big Victory off the ground is pretty impressive.

I give Kris and sometimes Brad a little ribbing about their Victory's but they are pretty sweet bikes. If I was going to buy another bagger it would be a toss up between the Victory and the Goldwing. Not sure if everyone would consider the Goldwing a bagger but I do.

I just went to a ST1300 forum and they posted 80 actual MPH was 4500 rpms . You weren't even close. Mine is 3000 rpms at 80.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by blowndodge

Ok you made a compelling argument dispelling Dave and my opinion that V-Twins and V-4's and inline 4's are the same engine and V-twins are woefully under powered. Can we leave highway stupid now? Geez... You sound like Josh Earnest spinning the argument to something nobody was debating...

May be you should try a triumph triple.

[landman]

my bike has adequate power and comfort for the long rides and the traction control does an excellent job of keeping the front wheel on the ground where it belongs.

[dank]

Brad, I don't understand your trying to define touring bikes in terms of RPMs. A very odd concept. I've done consecutive 1,200 miles days on my ST1300 comfortably, with gear including a tent and sleeping bag. It purrs at 70 and it purrs at 80 and has a 300+mile range, with the comfort of a full fairing and adjustable windscreen that the CCT lacks. Just because it has a more vibrant motor than the CCT doesn't mean it isn't a touring bike! (It just means you can't keep up if Greg or I chose to leave you behind! )

But I see both the CCT and ST1300 as great bikes that have comfort and storage for touring, great tank range, and more power than one typically uses.

[dshelly]

Direct from Kawasaki, .......

Ok, so they punched out the ZX-14 a little and added bags and some length to the C-14

Really..

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/2015-Ninja-ZX-14R-ABS

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/2015-CONCOURS14-ABS

[blowndodge]

Originally Posted by dank

Brad, I don't understand your trying to define touring bikes in terms of RPMs. A very odd concept. I've done consecutive 1,200 miles days on my ST1300 comfortably, with gear including a tent and sleeping bag. It purrs at 70 and it purrs at 80 and has a 300+mile range, with the comfort of a full fairing and adjustable windscreen that the CCT lacks. Just because it has a more vibrant motor than the CCT doesn't mean it isn't a touring bike! (It just means you can't keep up if Greg or I chose to leave you behind! )

But I see both the CCT and ST1300 as great bikes that have comfort and storage for touring, great tank range, and more power than one typically uses.

I responded with the CCT in the video wasn't stock. I know that rider and his mods. Then the comment "I don't need mods the pull a wheelie" then Dave saying comparing high revving 4 cylinder engines designed for high rpm HP (he's 100% correct) then the bozo statement they are not superbike engines and on and on and on. I don't care to pull a wheelie. I had many 4 cylinder bikes I traveled on and 4500-5000 rpms sounds like a blender on high to me and was tiring to listen to.

I know some guys travel in the Lamborghini's with their 8400 rpm redlines and motors singing away on the highway. To each his own. I prefer, for now, a low rpm torque motor to listen to on the highway.

ST 1300's are great bikes. I just don't look at it for 2 up fully loaded across the US traveling. My Vic has the largest carrying capacity of ANY TOURING or non TOURING bike made in the world..... PERIOD. It has over 100 lb of tq starting at 2400 rpms, cruise control (I'd rather have cruise control than an electric windshield any day of the week. I can see over my shield and have never had a need to raise or lower it as I have zero helmet buffeting.)

By defending that you have a high HP high revving high rpm engine and thus makes it better for touring is admitting the 1600 160 HP BMW is a better "touring" bike. It isn't. It just has more HP. As I further commented I had thought about the simple mods to bump my HP to 120 but I'm still thrilled with the passing power and acceleration of my Vic for now. It would only be faster, not a better tourer.

No doubt your bike cruises great at 70 and 80. Mine just does it at a much much lower rpm with a much quieter relaxed sound. Especially when cruise control is navigating the speed!

I know you enjoy your ST 1300... You should..

[ponch]

Originally Posted by dshelly

Direct from Kawasaki, .......

Ok, so they punched out the ZX-14 a little and added bags and some length to the C-14

Really..

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/2015-Ninja-ZX-14R-ABS

http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/2015-CONCOURS14-ABS

It's not even that. It has lower compression, different cams and variable valve timing. THe ZX-14R is punched, but it hasn't seen it's way to the C14 yet.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by dank

(It just means you can't keep up if Greg or I chose to leave you behind! )

In the twisties? I've seen what Brad can do with his CCT and his Nomad before it. I don't know if I'd take the bet.

[dank]

Originally Posted by Dave

In the twisties? I've seen what Brad can do with his CCT and his Nomad before it. I don't know if I'd take the bet.

Eh, I'd just want to be sure to bring a box of donuts or something else to snack on with Greg while we waited for Brad at the end of the run. But that's no issue: we have saddlebags!

[ponch]

Originally Posted by Dave

In the twisties? I've seen what Brad can do with his CCT and his Nomad before it. I don't know if I'd take the bet.

Given riders of equal skill or better put, let the rider, Brad in this case, ride a ST through the same course as his CCT and he'll be quicker and fast on the STs. He'll stop better too.