Any Liberal's Explanation?

[glwilson]

Can any one that is a Liberal; Democrat; or an Obama-loving citizen explain to me the reasoning behind yesterday's $400+ billion bill signed by Obama in private (I assume to avoid having to explain his signing of the bill).

I understand this bill had around 8,000 to 9,000 separate ear-marks put in by lawmakers to benefit various self-interests.

Wasn't it on September 22, 2008 that Obama stated on the campaign trail that he would (and I'll paraphrase); "I will go through each bill presented to me line-by-line; page-by-page to remove ear-marks".

Is it possible some voters voted for Obama based on this promise -- which is now a broken promise? Doesn't that make him a hypocrite?.. if not a liar? Certainly it makes him a "promise-breaker" I would think.

Wasn't he able to veto this bill?.. or at least red-line the ear-marks in the bill? Wasn't that what he promised he was going to do... you know "page-by-page"; "line-by-line"?

It would seem to me that Obama just missed a real opportunity to gain a lot of ground with Americans if only he would have stood his ground and vetoed the bill.

Is there is a Democrat out there that can explain to me why this wouldn't have been a good opportunity?... or is there going to be another "better" opportunity to veto a bill loaded with ear-marks coming in the future?

And when did "pork" get changed to "ear-marks"?.. oh never mind... I remember now... it is when the Democrats want to add pork to a bill they refer to it as "ear-marks". It has a much nicer "ring" to it.

Instead of vetoing the bill; Obama simply stated that the bill wasn't perfect, but better than nothing.

Now... here is the question? Isn't the abuse of the taxpayers' money by the Democrats the same as the CEO's abuse of shareholder's money that the DEMS have been barking about lately? Seems to me it is very similar.

I don't know about anyone else; but has anyone noticed how the Democrats rammed their Liberal Agenda bill down the throats of American taxpayers under the guise of a "emergency-stimulus-bill" by using fear-mongering tactics to scare Americans into submission?.. especially seniors? I say these acts are shameful... especially when it comes to seniors. No one should be scaring seniors to get their agenda's passed.

Well... I would like someone that is a Liberal or Democrat to provide some VALID explanations to these questions. And don't bother to respond with party-line rhetoric... we are hearing enough of that bullsh!t. Just provide some solid reasoning and facts as answers.

In addition; has anyone noticed how unpleased the Liberal media on CNBC and MSNBC are with Obama and the Dems?

While they have lightened it up a bit; go ahead and tune-in the morning editions. They have been "railing" on Obama and the Dems' actions since controlling Washington. I find it rather humorous.

I believe the Dems are biting-off far more than they can chew -- or possibly defend in a logical, ethical manner.

In the meantime; I'll just keep the pot on the stove and stir once in a while. We'll just see how this "stew" works out.

[Cajunrider]

Greg, I called the Senior Louisiana Democrat Senator Ms. Landrieu's office Monday morning stating my disapproval of the bill as it was written. Of course, I was only able to speak to a voicemail of someone in her office. I advised that it would be in her best interest in a conservative state to vote against this bill or at least publicly denounce the pork, excuse me "earmarks" that were included with it. I was told that my call would be returned promptly but not surprisingly, was never returned. I have sent her many e-mails questioning her stand on controversial issues and not once have any of my e-mails been replied to or calls returned. I have written and called Senator Vitter on the same issues and have not only had my e-mails replied to but have also received phone calls and letters from Mr. Vitter explaining his stand for and against issues. Ms. Landrieu squeaked by and was re-elected by the New Orleans block vote last year but I don't think she will be so lucky next go round. Ms. Pelosi and Harry are happy, that's the only thing that matters. We are getting raped with our pants pulled up. I just hope the liberal taxpayers are beginning to see the light. If not, they never will.

[Netnorske]

Remember how George Bush, Sr. got railed by the media for his "Read my lips....no new taxes"....only to find that eventually he did have to raise taxes?

Where is the media outrage over the "page by page, line by line, no earmarks" speech....?? What a crock of sh*t Obama spewed, telling us all how it would be very different with him in office. The old way was out, the new was in. This is just more of the same old-school back-room political back-slapping as always.

What is truly disappointing to me is how many Republican reps are taking the earmarks home to their respective states, when refusing to do so would have sent a real message to the American people.

Nancy Pelosi is outraged when the military does not drop everything to provide her immediate military aircraft at the taxpayers expense....but has no problem deriding corporate CEO's who use private money to do the very same thing.

The whole Liberal "bait and switch" agenda is gonna make us a third world country before you know it...not to mention make me puke. It's not what they say, it's what they do....and they NEVER do what they say. They are doing everything in their power to demolish the very policies that made us the greatest country in the world in under 300 years.

Nationalized ANYTHING will be far more expensive and inefficient than anyone realizes. No competition means a monopoly...and who among us wants the Government to have a monopoly on anything? Didn't Stalin and Hitler already try that?

No longer can I say to my kid "hard work and sacrifice will lead you to the American Dream". In reality....it only leads now to a higher tax bracket where your hard work and sacrifice will benefit all the slackers out there who don't do either. Personal responsibility is going the way of the Buffalo, but who needs a job when we have Big Brother to take care of us?

Government, especially BIG government, is NEVER the answer....but ALWAYS the problem. Nobody can create more opportunity and wealth for Joe Average than the American private sector and guess what....there will be rich people and there will be poor people, get over it. Get the government out of the way and let business do what it does best. This whole Socialist mentality is making me ill....why don't more people see it?

[landman]

a large part of thier voter base is the 40% of americans who pay no taxes so they are not likely to care how much taxes go up to
pay for this.the sad thing is that the low income voter base is
likely to continue to grow if we fail to secure are borders.

[gopjohnny]

I hate to break it to you, but if you are talking income tax its higher than 40% that dont pay a dime

[coacha]

On a similar note, I heard today that Pelosi wouldn't endorse the repeal of the cost of living increase for congressional raises...as the rest of us get our's cut or lose our jobs. I guess the Land of Oz is really America.

[Kawhead]

History is chock full of deceitful, dirty dealing politicians with a hoard of "idiot gimme bunch" who are more than willing to elect them to office. Most of the time if not always it begins with "They have it but you right to it". Every one of those countries have a low standard of living, high taxes, high unemployment, rationed health care, ration food with no opportunity for a better life EVER! Except emigrate to America.


When I vote in an election, I choose the candidate who more closely campaigns for more freedom less government intrusion, a smaller federal government spending reform, and less taxes. That way any INDIVIDUAL(S) in future generations to follow will have an opportunity to be prosperous if they CHOOSE or fail. Not the Obamah plan where everybody no matter how much effort equally fails.

An elected President here in America has the opportunity to choose to failure or not. Our current President has so far chosen to continue with proven failed policies of the past.

On the other hand, over all we've all been shafted on broken promises and lies from both parties. Both campaign conservative and most of the time the Dems promise free everything for everybody. The Dems are what they are, but the Republicans have no excuse at all.

We need term limits and we needed them fifty years ago!

[Yellow Jacket]

Oh, but according to Mr. Obama, "Things two years ago were not as good as we thought because there were a lot of underlying weaknesses in the economy. They're not as bad as we think they are now." The Atlanta Journal Constitution by Jim Kuhnhenn - Associated Press. March 13, 2009.

So folks, the economy isn't really in the dumps after all, we just think it is!

We are being governed by Morons!

[bigjohn]

I really don't want to get into this. But, after all the BS that has been going on, watching my military benefits "erode" and the hogs at the trough for this last go arround I'd be tempted pull the plug.

I can see my taxes sky rocketing, what I get for them falling and my retirement getting further and further out. People who did nothing will bet everything whole those of us who have done everythng will get nothing.

What does that piece of paperwork say..."when in the course of human events...." it is getting real close to time.

[glwilson]

It was brought to my attention via the Liberal media outlet CNBC; that Obama was "caught" contradicting himself -- again.

Let me explain... When Obama was on the "promotion-trail" for the "pork-u-lus-plan" he was quoted to say "if we don't do something IMMEDIATELY that we run the risk of the economy becoming worse than anyone would imagine". (I paraphrased this). He also stated in my hometown (Peoria, IL) that if the plan was passed immediately; that many of the Caterpiller workers would be called back to work -- a fact that was disputed by the CEO of Cat that very day.

However; just yesterday (March 11, 2009) Obama was quoted as saying; "Things aren't always as good as they say; nor are they ever as bad as they say".

I guess this means that his previous "fear-mongering" about how bad the state of the economy "is", and how BAD it could "get" if we don't pass the "pork-u-lus-plan" wasn't really the truth.

I guess this also means that when Obama told Caterpillar workers that some of them would be called back to work when the "plan" was passed wasn't really the truth either... because "not everything is as good as they say".

This leaves "us" to wonder -- when is Obama telling the truth... and when is he lying?

I am confused... was it really as bad as Obama said it was when he wanted to get the "pork-u-lus-plan" passed with historical speed? Were we really headed to the "Great Depression"?

If I were like my 80-year-old mother (alive during the great depression); then you were scared to death!!!!!

If you were 53 like me with an education in economics and finance; you knew we were NOT going into the great-depression; but rather a deep and prolonged unwinding of a decade-plus period of excessive leveraging. In other words; things were going to become very difficult for everyone for an extended period of time.

This period of time could have been contained with some basic "tools" of the government -- namely -- making adjustments to the "mark-to-market" regulations; supporting banks to lend; and reducing taxes on everyone including corporations immediately in 2009 and 2010. This would have avoided the government from having to raise taxes; and write as many "checks". A far less expensive course of action; which would not include thousands of PORK additions to the stimulus-bill -- excuse me... I meant "ear-marks" in all respect of Susan Pelosi.

That was until the DEMS rail-roaded taxpayers with there historically expensive agenda -- disguised as a stimulus-package on the back of an unbelievable "fear-mongering" tactical-delivery. Now, we are facing a potential decade-long economic anemia; and "generational" taxation for our children due to the burden of excessive and soon-to-be permanent entitlement-programs in development as we speak.

For the Liberal or Democratic supporters out there; don't try to defend this crap. You'll only lose this battle.

This is YOUR time to either "shine" or fail; and so far in my opinion; you are failing miserably and with a disgusting smell.

YOU should know Americans are p!ssed this time like no other time in history. Obama's statements can no longer be both the truth and a lie. His words have to be one or the other -- period.

In this period of time when everyone from homeowners to Wall Street are being blamed for our current demise -- no "spinning" of the truth is allowed -- period.

Americans only want to hear "truths" -- not "CONVENIENT TRUTHS" -- not political rhetoric -- not disguised agendas -- certainly not Susan Pelosi (come on... the Dems need to do themselves a favor and get rid to Pelosi -- she isn't doing anyone any favors -- no one can admit they like her -- at least in public.

Thus, in my opinion; and the Liberal media's opinion; Obama has been caught "fear-mongering" to get a Liberal/Democratic agenda passed in an historically fast-pace.

Mark my word; there will be entire college courses devoted to the effects this president and the Democratic party have caused within the first 2 1/2 months in power. I'll suggest the course title might be: "What NOT to do within your first 100 days in political power within the United Stated Government".

Now; if anyone wants to embark on a conversation that will provide facts as to why our President and the Democratic "Drunken-Party" are correct in their statements and actions I am willing to listen.

Thus far... I would suggest anyone stepping-up to do so will have their hands full because I am thoroughly disgusted at this point.

[jamiep24]

Man, you Nomad folks are pretty doggoned smart.

[Idaho]

Gentlemen,

Haven't you figured it out yet? The "Pork-u-lus" bill that Obama signed does not count against his campaign promises because that spending package actually started during the Bush administration. In other words Obama is immune because all of this is still Bush's fault. His promises only count on stuff that starts in his administration. Come on you guys. Lay off our President. He is just trying to practice free speach and a little sleight of hand. Some people call it the "Texas two step".

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by Cajunrider

Greg, I called the Senior Louisiana Democrat Senator Ms. Landrieu's office Monday morning stating my disapproval of the bill as it was written. Of course, I was only able to speak to a voicemail of someone in her office. I advised that it would be in her best interest in a conservative state to vote against this bill or at least publicly denounce the pork, excuse me "earmarks" that were included with it. I was told that my call would be returned promptly but not surprisingly, was never returned. I have sent her many e-mails questioning her stand on controversial issues and not once have any of my e-mails been replied to or calls returned. I have written and called Senator Vitter on the same issues and have not only had my e-mails replied to but have also received phone calls and letters from Mr. Vitter explaining his stand for and against issues. Ms. Landrieu squeaked by and was re-elected by the New Orleans block vote last year but I don't think she will be so lucky next go round. Ms. Pelosi and Harry are happy, that's the only thing that matters. We are getting raped with our pants pulled up. I just hope the liberal taxpayers are beginning to see the light. If not, they never will.

It is all of Washington. An overwhelming number of our goverment members have NEVER held a job outside of politics. One of problems we face.

Anyone's best bet is to pay attention; ask questions; speak-up; and vote. That's about all one can do

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by Idaho (High Plains Drifter)

Gentlemen,

Haven't you figured it out yet? The "Pork-u-lus" bill that Obama signed does not count against his campaign promises because that spending package actually started during the Bush administration. In other words Obama is immune because all of this is still Bush's fault. His promises only count on stuff that starts in his administration. Come on you guys. Lay off our President. He is just trying to practice free speech and a little sleight of hand. Some people call it the "Texas two step".

Ha!! Is that what it is Idaho?

I guess I just didn't understand.

(I only can hope others know your sarcasm!!)

Signed,

Extremely P!ssed at Washington

[NRiderUSA]

By the time the sheeple wake up its going to be too late, the government (both parties) has grabbed and stashed about 2 trillion of fake money in less than 2 months and getting ready to grab and stash another trillion....

Hell if china wants to foreclose, they own us. But someone has got a lot of money and we the sheeple owe the bill.

Now that they have it its going to be like social security, lottery money, road taxes etc etc that have been taken for years that "didnt work"..... no one is asking where did the money go that we have been giving????? Not a word, not a question..... just it wasnt enough.

The government will continue to give themselves raises, they will continue to have jobs for life with a retirement we could only imagine having, the will continue to live in a world that only they can have.... and convince us we have to tighten our belts and put our noses to the grindstone...... SHEEP....

Its like a magic show, they point to the CEO's and get sheeple fired up that they actually took bonuses while in a financial crunch... yet they, still fly in personal jets, still have personal limos, still live in mansions, still take raises, increase their benefits, get payed millions outside their jobs,......

We have politicians raising taxes on smoking to increase revenue, then passing legislation to ban smoking.. the business revenue goes down, bars and resturants lose 10-20% and end up closing down.....then the government stands around wondering why the buget they created isnt working..... its insanity and the insane are running it.

The pointing of fingers at the greedy CEO's, the banks and auto industry having been mis-managed to the point of them failing....

Those same fingers should be pointing to the same goverment officials trying to misdirect like a magician from the reality that the government has done this to us that and is the reason why we are where we are now.

Face it we have been and are still getting screwed...... but you know what, its not really sex, its only oral stimulation.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!