BEST GAS BRAND!

[dogdoc]

What brand gas do you THINK works best in your NOMAD! Why??
Chevron here.

[towering]

Shell works for me. Cuts down on the pings and rattling noise

[blowndodge]

Did you know that gasoline is traded on the CBOE Chicago board options exchange and is a comodity like mild, corn, soybeans? all the gas is refined and sold to all.

[dogdoc]

your point is?

Chevron with Techron here. Runs and starts better. Better MPG. And is faster that BD/DB's. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[dogdoc]

I AGREE NICO, CHEVRON WITH TECHRON HERE IN TEXAS TOO, MUCH FASTER THAN THOSE GREEN WEINIES.

[basco]

I use just about all brands and haven't had any trouble with pinging or knocking

[blowndodge]

your point is?

Ralph's , Albertson's, Stator Brothers, WalMart don't own their own brands of cows.

Arco, Shell, Texaco all buy the oil on the open market and the refineries sell it to the highest bidder. No such think as brand exclusive formula. Sort of like saying my milk comes from WalMart Cows...... no it don't....

Commodity: an item that is undifferenciable from any other of its type. Throw sweet yellow corn into a barrel and all the canners from either S&W to Del Monte to whoever buy from the exact same source.......... gas is the same..... sorry, no brand "outranks the other". Now, some store their gas in unclean underground container that may contaminate the gas, but as delivered to the station, all the same. 91 Octane delivered to shell is the same 91 octane delivered to Arco.

No worries, believe anything you like. The petroleum companies won't complain....

[vulcanvixen]

Wonder if this would work????

[blowndodge]

That there is a reliable source!

[vulcanvixen]

Thank you D-Biddy......certainly an economical source if nothing else....... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif ::)

[Todd]

Any ole High Octane will do.....

the cheapest gas is the best brand. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

A friend of mine got talking to the tank driver for chevron as he was filling up and the trucker told him never to buy premium at chevron. He said the mid grade and the premium are the exact same thing since it is a minumum octane rating. If you buy the premuim you are just paying more for the same stuff you would get if you paid for the mid grade. He said they only haul deisel, regular and premium and the premium goes in the midgrade and premium under ground tank. Don't know if he's full of crap but this is what he told me :-/

[socwkbiker]

WM, that's worth a try then. I use Chevron and QT gas. There is a website that talks about TopTier gas and those along with Shell and I believe Texaco are considered some of the best.

[dogdoc]

Remember boys all gas is the same!

[biscuitsngravy]

I buy gas at any ol' gas station that is closest to the point where I am about to run out of gas. It doesn't matter. My bike doesn't ping, but it WILL run out of gas.
BnG

[voyager]

Most large, name brands of gas are going to be o.k. It's the octane thats the ticket. Up here in central Alberta I found a place that gives me 94 Octane, WOW does she run and sound sweet with that juice in her veins.

Remember boys all gas is the same!


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[dogdoc]

Nico: You believe all Chevron has is 87 and 89 and whats in the hi-test tank is only 89 like Wolfman said he was told? i find this hard to believe Chevron or anybody could get away will thiefery

[ds06nomad]

the cheapest gas is the best brand. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

A friend of mine got talking to the tank driver for chevron as he was filling up and the trucker told him never to buy premium at chevron. He said the mid grade and the premium are the exact same thing since it is a minumum octane rating. If you buy the premuim you are just paying more for the same stuff you would get if you paid for the mid grade. He said they only haul deisel, regular and premium and the premium goes in the midgrade and premium under ground tank. Don't know if he's full of crap but this is what he told me :-/

Wolfman,
If that were backed up with fact,that is some interesting stuff. I wonder where we could find info on that? Maybe a consumer advocates group? or ??? Anyway, for now I guess the 10 cents per gallon difference b/t mid-grade and the supreme I'll keep paying. With a 5-gallon tank that's only 50 cents per tank, so I can live with that for now.

Interesting enough to raise an eyebrow though. If you get more concrete evidence, please share...

Best,
Daryl

PS - FWIW, I'll use whatever brand's available; just seems like Chevron and Shell are the most common gas stations around my area. But when the need becomes urgent, any brand will do !!!

I don't think its so much as them selling 89 and ripping us off as it is them selling 91 at a lower price and marketing it as 89 to stay competitive. I'm going to look into it.

I think its wierd that when gas was 1$ per gallon it was 10 cents difference between the grades and now that gas is three times as much its still 10 cents difference between the grade. You would think it would be 30 cents difference.

[flightdoc]

F_ _ _ _ ing oil companies......nothing but thieves. They cry wolf all year long and then the earnings are published and you learn they made record profits!!!! They suck!! I don't understand why the govenment doesn't put a halt to it. Oh yeh I forgot......the politicians either own or are owned by the oil companies.
Regular gas around here is over $3 a gallon now.....for 87. 91 is about $3.20

[dogdoc]

Chevron 93 here in central TX is about $3.15, I just filled her up. I ran a tank of texaco 93 last fill up and it ran like crap. I always run Chevron so Im back

[blowndodge]

Consumerism drives all prices. Drive less, demand less = lower prices. When I watch the news at least here in Cali and the reporter asks people at the pump filling there tanks how they feel about the high prices and I hear the same uneducated answers across the board. "I don't like the high prices, but what are we going to do?"

How about driving less and/or consolidating your errands so you shop on the way home from work or plan your driving differently you idiots! I have no trouble planning around the higher prices. I ride my Nomad more (no brainer) shop for groceries friday after the work week. don't take my truck out for a "drive" on the weekends if I have not much to do. Stay home with good friends and bar-b-que or hang out back and chill.

When gas goes up 30%, I drive 30% less. period...Consumerism. Works.......You don't have to drive as much as you think.

[cactusjack]

the cheapest gas is the best brand. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

A friend of mine got talking to the tank driver for chevron as he was filling up and the trucker told him never to buy premium at chevron. He said the mid grade and the premium are the exact same thing since it is a minumum octane rating. If you buy the premuim you are just paying more for the same stuff you would get if you paid for the mid grade. He said they only haul deisel, regular and premium and the premium goes in the midgrade and premium under ground tank. Don't know if he's full of crap but this is what he told me :-/

Wow. that sounds like consumer fraud to me...

[socwkbiker]

BD, I agree with you completely about consumerism and controlling how much we drive. It doesn't help though when you look around and continue to see behemoth SUVs and pickups everywhere. These gas-guzzling machines take anywhere from $80-$100 to fill up and they're being used by people going to the mall or being driven to show off to others how little they care about the money they are burning.

At the heart of the issue is changing the mindset of the American public that bigger is not always better and that you are not impressing anyone by spending $100 to fill up your behemoth. I understand those guys who use their trucks for work, that's not my issue. My problem is that little lady driving her big SUV because she wanted something "big and safe" but then complains about the price of gas. My issue is that guy driving the biggest vihicle he can buy with a jacked up suspension and huge rims, getting 6 miles to the gallon just so he can show off to his friends.

Until the demand for these monsters declines enough that auto manufacturers begin focusing on fuel efficient vehicles again and until the public stops buying behemoths, the oil companies are going to roll in our cash.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.

author=dogdoc board=general thread=1194304551 post=1194358430]Nico: You believe all Chevron has is 87 and 89 and whats in the hi-test tank is only 89 like Wolfman said he was told? i find this hard to believe Chevron or anybody could get away will thiefery


Hard to believe an oli company could get away with thiefery?? Hmmm.... lemme think about that one... LOL

[bobzinger]

I have a friend that works for Chevron and he says that trucks that go out to a Chevron station gets a Techtron additive that the other trucks don't get even though it's the same gas...they don't get that same additive.

I like Chevron, but also use 76.

[Todd]

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Consumerism drives all prices. Drive less, demand less = lower prices. When I watch the news at least here in Cali and the reporter asks people at the pump filling there tanks how they feel about the high prices and I hear the same uneducated answers across the board. "I don't like the high prices, but what are we going to do?"

How about driving less and/or consolidating your errands so you shop on the way home from work or plan your driving differently you idiots! I have no trouble planning around the higher prices. I ride my Nomad more (no brainer) shop for groceries friday after the work week. don't take my truck out for a "drive" on the weekends if I have not much to do. Stay home with good friends and bar-b-que or hang out back and chill.

When gas goes up 30%, I drive 30% less. period...Consumerism. Works.......You don't have to drive as much as you think.




BD, I agree with you completely about consumerism and controlling how much we drive. It doesn't help though when you look around and continue to see behemoth SUVs and pickups everywhere. These gas-guzzling machines take anywhere from $80-$100 to fill up and they're being used by people going to the mall or being driven to show off to others how little they care about the money they are burning.

At the heart of the issue is changing the mindset of the American public that bigger is not always better and that you are not impressing anyone by spending $100 to fill up your behemoth. I understand those guys who use their trucks for work, that's not my issue. My problem is that little lady driving her big SUV because she wanted something "big and safe" but then complains about the price of gas. My issue is that guy driving the biggest vihicle he can buy with a jacked up suspension and huge rims, getting 6 miles to the gallon just so he can show off to his friends.

Until the demand for these monsters declines enough that auto manufacturers begin focusing on fuel efficient vehicles again and until the public stops buying behemoths, the oil companies are going to roll in our cash.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.

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[quote:8sxu9sbz]Consumerism drives all prices. Drive less, demand less = lower prices. When I watch the news at least here in Cali and the reporter asks people at the pump filling there tanks how they feel about the high prices and I hear the same uneducated answers across the board. "I don't like the high prices, but what are we going to do?"

How about driving less and/or consolidating your errands so you shop on the way home from work or plan your driving differently you idiots! I have no trouble planning around the higher prices. I ride my Nomad more (no brainer) shop for groceries friday after the work week. don't take my truck out for a "drive" on the weekends if I have not much to do. Stay home with good friends and bar-b-que or hang out back and chill.

When gas goes up 30%, I drive 30% less. period...Consumerism. Works.......You don't have to drive as much as you think.




BD, I agree with you completely about consumerism and controlling how much we drive. It doesn't help though when you look around and continue to see behemoth SUVs and pickups everywhere. These gas-guzzling machines take anywhere from $80-$100 to fill up and they're being used by people going to the mall or being driven to show off to others how little they care about the money they are burning.

At the heart of the issue is changing the mindset of the American public that bigger is not always better and that you are not impressing anyone by spending $100 to fill up your behemoth. I understand those guys who use their trucks for work, that's not my issue. My problem is that little lady driving her big SUV because she wanted something "big and safe" but then complains about the price of gas. My issue is that guy driving the biggest vihicle he can buy with a jacked up suspension and huge rims, getting 6 miles to the gallon just so he can show off to his friends.

Until the demand for these monsters declines enough that auto manufacturers begin focusing on fuel efficient vehicles again and until the public stops buying behemoths, the oil companies are going to roll in our cash.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.
[/quote:8sxu9sbz]

They're ok.... in a silly sort of way.. ;)

[beezer]

same as my beer, free is best

[joesnomad]

All I really no about gas is were being ripped off, but its ok our elected officials say they are not screwing us. If you cant believe your elected crook who can you belive. I was always under the impression that when the name brand gas companies purchased their gas that they put in additives and that is were the difference came from. But this sure wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

[blowndodge]

I've been wrong about spel chekc..

I've been wrong about spel chekc..


"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin and will not be tolerated in this forum"

Sir Nico, Hall Monitor, KawaNOW

[vulcanvixen]

[quote:q4htb91s]I've been wrong about spel chekc..


"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin and will not be tolerated in this forum"

Sir Nico, Hall Monitor, KawaNOW[/quote:q4htb91s]


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[Todd]

[quote:98au50xl]I've been wrong about spel chekc..


"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin and will not be tolerated in this forum"

Sir Nico, Hall Monitor, KawaNOW[/quote:98au50xl]

Really??.


Won't it???

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[socwkbiker]

Sarcasm? What sarcasm? ::)

Sarcasm? What sarcasm? ::)

On our New Image Politically Correct Forum, anything can be construed as sarcastic or offensive to someone somewhere. In fact SWB, I know people who may find your question of "What sarcasm?" offensive..... I for one did!!!!
Geez... get a clue brother!


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Nico Dog, Protector of the Fragile

[socwkbiker]

So if I said to blow me, would that be considered sarcastic? or offensive? or both? Oh, btw, I think I told you from the beginning that political correctness is not my thing.

OK.... now you really did it. I will be bringing up potential disciplinary action against you at the next KawaNOW Board of Directors meeting. In the meantime...... go to your room.


Nico, Defender of the Offended



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[blowndodge]

Nico's really on the wrong medication boys.

[blowndodge]

So if I said to blow me, would that be considered sarcastic? or offensive? or both?


<marquee>No,,, Nico would consider it a valid offer and would show up at your door step soon wearing lipstick</marquee>

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Odd to hear those words come out of your mouth!

[socwkbiker]

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[Todd]

So if I said to blow me, would that be considered sarcastic? or offensive? or both? Oh, btw, I think I told you from the beginning that political correctness is not my thing.

<marquee>That one almost got me in trouble at work I laughed so loud!!!</marquee>

[quote:zq9kxtfr]So if I said to blow me, would that be considered sarcastic? or offensive? or both? Oh, btw, I think I told you from the beginning that political correctness is not my thing.

<marquee>That one almost got me in trouble at work I laughed so loud!!!</marquee>[/quote:zq9kxtfr]

You see? Now you have jeopardized Toddster's job! When will the insanity stop???

[socwkbiker]

Wasn't that something that skinny nearly bald blonde chick used to say? Stop the insanity?

<marquee>The insanity will never stop!</marquee>

[blowndodge]

I buy WalMart gas. they pump it from the WalMart oil fields off the coast of WalMart Isle. and refined at Sam's club with their top secret additive! Not even the AQMD gets involved in it's "special" top secret formula!! I know because my aunt's hairdresser's brother-in-law's sister's uncle drives a trash truck that empties the garbage at Walmart! HE SHOULD KNOW!!

[Todd]

Is that spelled right????........I'm just askin'?????? ::) ::) ::) ::)

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[blowndodge]

Made from Kum Oil.....

[basco]

My issue is that guy driving the biggest vihicle he can buy with a jacked up suspension and huge rims, getting 6 miles to the gallon just so he can show off to his friends.



Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.[/quote]


hey swb i love my jacked up dodge with the big tires and it gets nine miles to the gallon not six i just dont drive it as much and use the bike more. so be careful dont fall off your box and hurt your self

[blowndodge]

yea! so there.............take that SWB!!

Give it to him.

[Todd]

OK, I cant believe I am doing this.....errrrrrrrrrrr....OK....Defending SWB....what's happening to me. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif (that must be one strong soapbox to hold him up huh)



SWB didnt say anything about the folks that drive the gas hogs that dont complain about it....I have a 5.4 liter expedition in the garage that my wife drives some...it has a huge appetite for dino fuel.........and I dont complain about the gas..just drive it less..... She was T-boned in it by a 4runner , right in the drivers door/center pillar.....had she been in a smaller car she may not be here or at least would have been in the hospital a while.....so a few bucks extra on fuel doesnt bother me....I just use common sense at dont run around in it all the time.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[blowndodge]

Yea, defending SWB....hurts sometimes but he is a brother from a different mother....

[basco]

just because swb enjoys riding around in a 76 pinto dosent mean we all have to and on sundays his 87 ford festiva with the 3 cylinder http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

Ouch! If that weren't true, it might hurt! lol. Basco, what you're doing isn't what I'm talking about. It's cool that you have your jacked-up dodge (you sure you're old enough to drive that thing? Also, don't they have height requirements? Guess that would leave out Nico), and that you recognize that you have to drive it less. People like you aren't my concern. Up here in Dallas, and I'm certain other places, people drive jacked up trucks, now cars with huge rims and get their 9 mpg, but they drive them all the time, using up massive amounts of fuel, then they complain about it. Same thing with what Todd is saying, use it less. When I see single ladies cruising around, or, especially with the Hispanic population, women driving the biggest Tahoe or Suburban and not carting around a single child or bag of something, I think of all the fuel being wasted. They are only driving those big things as a show to their friends and family. Trust me, I know. This waste is what we bikers actually are combating every time we ride. You think about that 160 plus miles we get on 5.3 gallons. We are actually doing more to help preserve resources than those other folks.

You guys are using common sense, and I commend you for that. I just wish more people would use that sense.

As for the box, it's one f**kin' strong box! lol


just because swb enjoys riding around in a 76 pinto dosent mean we all have to and on sundays his 87 ford festiva with the 3 cylinder http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

Yes Todd, that is correct. My wife and I used to drive up to Central Missouri through OK to see my family and would stop in Lebanon, MO to get gas. Used to be some normal named stop. All of a sudden, one day we see this sign on the building and I couldn't stop laughing. WTF were they thinking?


Is that spelled right????........I'm just askin'?????? ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Ouch! If that weren't true, it might hurt! lol. Basco, what you're doing isn't what I'm talking about. It's cool that you have your jacked-up dodge (you sure you're old enough to drive that thing? Also, don't they have height requirements? Guess that would leave out Nico), and that you recognize that you have to drive it less. People like you aren't my concern. Up here in Dallas, and I'm certain other places, people drive jacked up trucks, now cars with huge rims and get their 9 mpg, but they drive them all the time, using up massive amounts of fuel, then they complain about it. Same thing with what Todd is saying, use it less. When I see single ladies cruising around, or, especially with the Hispanic population, women driving the biggest Tahoe or Suburban and not carting around a single child or bag of something, I think of all the fuel being wasted. They are only driving those big things as a show to their friends and family. Trust me, I know. This waste is what we bikers actually are combating every time we ride. You think about that 160 plus miles we get on 5.3 gallons. We are actually doing more to help preserve resources than those other folks.

You guys are using common sense, and I commend you for that. I just wish more people would use that sense.

As for the box, it's one f**kin' strong box! lol


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[stonechief]

[quote:hctp9zab]your point is?

Ralph's , Albertson's, Stator Brothers, WalMart don't own their own brands of cows.

Arco, Shell, Texaco all buy the oil on the open market and the refineries sell it to the highest bidder. No such think as brand exclusive formula. Sort of like saying my milk comes from WalMart Cows...... no it don't....

Commodity: an item that is undifferenciable from any other of its type. Throw sweet yellow corn into a barrel and all the canners from either S&W to Del Monte to whoever buy from the exact same source.......... gas is the same..... sorry, no brand "outranks the other". Now, some store their gas in unclean underground container that may contaminate the gas, but as delivered to the station, all the same. 91 Octane delivered to shell is the same 91 octane delivered to Arco.

No worries, believe anything you like. The petroleum companies won't complain....[/quote:hctp9zab]

The Shell I get here is 93 Octane. There is 87, 89 and 93. I use the 93 and add a shot of STP with jet fuel. Runs smooooooth!

[lw]

[quote author=blowndodge board=general thread=1194304551 post=1194309361


No such think as brand exclusive formula. Sort of like saying my milk comes from WalMart Cows...... no it don't....[/quote]

Brad, you are correct that the commodity gasoline is put in the pipeline and sent to tank farms all over the country and that octane is octane. But there are differences beyond that. When the tank truck picking up a load for delivery to the seller's tanks arrives at the tank farm loading rack they enter a code into the computer that says how much to load and identifies who they will be delivering to . This selects the additive package that will be added into the load, and some (Chevron's Techron for instance) are brand specific. Some have little or no additive. The no-name stations around me are in this category. Prior to their merger, Chevron sold Texaco the rights to market the Techron additive package by name, so now you see it on their signage at the retailers. I learned from a friend who worked in refining at the Chevron Corp that the formula they sold rights to was their "old" formula and they were now selling an "improved" version so as to maintain an advantage over their sibling. I still shop fuel by octane with cost as a primary factor, but when I think Lucille is a little "out of sorts", I run a tank of Chevron through her.

http://www.toptiergas.com/why.html


http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/additives/concentrate_plus.shtml

[blowndodge]

[quote author=blowndodge board=general thread=1194304551 post=1194309361


No such think as brand exclusive formula. Sort of like saying my milk comes from WalMart Cows...... no it don't....

Brad, you are correct that the commodity gasoline is put in the pipeline and sent to tank farms all over the country and that octane is octane. But there are differences beyond that. When the tank truck picking up a load for delivery to the seller's tanks arrives at the tank farm loading rack they enter a code into the computer that says how much to load and identifies who they will be delivering to . This selects the additive package that will be added into the load, and some (Chevron's Techron for instance) are brand specific. Some have little or no additive. The no-name stations around me are in this category. Prior to their merger, Chevron sold Texaco the rights to market the Techron additive package by name, so now you see it on their signage at the retailers. I learned from a friend who worked in refining at the Chevron Corp that the formula they sold rights to was their "old" formula and they were now selling an "improved" version so as to maintain an advantage over their sibling. I still shop fuel by octane with cost as a primary factor, but when I think Lucille is a little "out of sorts", I run a tank of Chevron through her.[/quote]


lw, here's the problem with this so called "additive". What is Techron, what does it do and why is it "regulations legal" to add to the gas unless it doesn't change anything about the fuel? I see your point but the AQMD would not permit any additive that wasn't 99% consistant with the commodity it was added to unless it was "regulated". Do you have information from the AQMD that his additive has substantial cleansing or other properties not associated with any other brand?

I would think that if this potion was really something it would be "mandatory" in all fuel.

Providing an additive and changing the properties of a regulated fuel is something I'd have a suspicion to as just "snake oil".

I have no proof that it is or isn't. Just absent of information makes me wonder.

[Top Cat]

OK BD you say if I drive my 4x4 less gas will drop in price. Yeah Right!
I live in New York land of taxes. Last year we had a very mild fall. Only a couple months of bad winter weather. Did fuel oil price go down? Not a chance. They didn't sell as much so they raised the freakin price.
Supply and demand is only another word for GREED!!!!!!!!!!
Just because demand goes up dosen't mean they HAVE to raise the price. It just gives them an excuse to raise the price.
Can you say PRICE GOUGING boys and girls http://s2.images.proboards.com/angry.gif:(" title=">:(" border="0"/>

[lw]

AQMD? Not familiar with this term.

OK BD you say if I drive my 4x4 less gas will drop in price. Yeah Right!
I live in New York land of taxes. Last year we had a very mild fall. Only a couple months of bad winter weather. Did fuel oil price go down? Not a chance. They didn't sell as much so they raised the freakin price.
Supply and demand is only another word for GREED!!!!!!!!!!
Just because demand goes up dosen't mean they HAVE to raise the price. It just gives them an excuse to raise the price.
Can you say PRICE GOUGING boys and girls http://s2.images.proboards.com/angry.gif:(" title=">:(" border="0"/>


I don't know how the whole supply and demand thing works. Maybe it only really works on non essential goods like peanuts and SUV's. I mean do we really have an oil shortage? I tend to agree with topcat - On essentail items greed takes over. Last year we all conserved on natural gas. What happened when Questar lost money? They raised prices. ( I use the term "lost" very loosley. When companies do not exceed their previous fiscal year they call it a loss) Corporate America is all about greed. Every year the company I work for reports record profit and record revenue. They used to not charge us a penny for health insurance and now its 20 bucks a week. So this year I will actually be taking a cut in pay. The last report I heard was the average CEO is making 80 times the average employee. Corporate profits and employee wages are at the biggest gap they have been in US history.

AQMD? Not familiar with this term.

googled it cuz i wasn't either....Air Quality Management District.

[blowndodge]

Not to fan the flames of fire but financial econ is somthing I'm very familiar with. I'm not one who's concern whether or not I have an agreeable audience or not.

Food for thought:

If oil goes to $100 per barrel, who pays it?????? Everyone! China, The British, French, Japanese, ANY country that has to import oil pays what everyone else pays Period, end, no other story. The buy a futures contract for whatever amount they think they need. If the Chinese or any country bid up the price of oil and gas, we have to "bid" agains their needs for the product as well as all the other importing countries.

The energy commission speculates that over 50% of all driving in the US is non essential. AKA leisure, pleasure driving. Keep driving for pleasure and you will pay to be "pleased". don't complain about it. You have a choice and you choose to drive.

5 years ago my work associates told me that if I didn't buy more real estate because the Real Estate industry has us over a barrel and hyping up the prices of property and I better get on board or be left behind! Gee, last time I check, mortages are in a record forclosure rate and increasing logrithmically monthy! How did that happen? People gave up on paying more than what a home is really worth and all those "speculators" with risky creative mortages are now getting screwed. I say tough bananas for them. I knew better.

I was lashed at for this "stupid" position and I tried to educate the naysayers about economics and that weath is not "created" it only "changes hands" and gave them the math that this "market dis-equilibrium" will fix itself with record falling prices and forclosures. Hmmm... what's the real estate market like now?? How did I know this a few years ago. Math never lies and it was a mathmatical certainty. You can't always predict when it will correct but non the less, it will, it always will.

Find another alternative to energy and oil will fall. don't use as much and oil will fall. If you understand the Stock Market and it's function to stabilize prices across the board then you know what I'm talking about. If you don't and won't listen and don't care to listen,,,, see the above reason.

Your position that if a company is not making money it raises prices!? Tell me you don't believe this? WalMart the biggest retailer in the WORLD profits has declined consistly because when it tried to raise prices people walked. If the biggest retailer knows this economical equation of higer prices mean risking less shoppers, the oil industry knows it too.

People have not nor does it look like they are going to drive less not matter what the price of gas is! Wouldn't you like a piece of that stupidity working for your bottom line?? I know I would! Like cigarettes your hooked on, you can jack the price of a carton up to 40 bucks and smokers will still pay it! Damn tobacco gougers! Give me a break... quit smoking.

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I agree completely about driving too much. I spent 6 months in germany as an exchange student in high school and Germans don't drive 1/2 as much as we do. They ride their bikes everywhere they go. At the time when I was there in the mid 90's they were paying the same price for 1 Liter of gas as whe were paying for 1 Gallon. ( A little over a dollar) Which is really almost 4 times the price as we were paying.

I don't know if Wal-mart is a good comparision because if walmart jacks their prices I can go to Albertsons. If Coke jacks their prices I can drink Pepsi. Switching brands of gasoline doesn't help me. Although we can limit our gasloine consumption we can't stop all togather until our vehicles accept another product. Most people have to commute to work and even if they take a bus the bus still uses some fuel. The fact is, the oil companies could charge less and still make more money than they know what to do with. But thats todays mentality: Why shouldn't I deserve to make as much money as I possibly can and give nothing back to those who made me rich?

If I was a CEO of a trucking company I would take a pay cut and pay my drivers 40 bucks an hour instead of 20 bucks an hour. Then I would actually have loyal employees and less turn over. I know there are some companies leaning towards this theory. Yes I would still make well over a million a year but does my CEO really need over 4000 dollars an hour? (assuming he even works an 8 hour day) In the 60's the wages were a lot higher compared to the cost of living. 16 workers to one retiree and they started giving away social security $ away like candy. Todays retirees want the same treatment (rightfully so) however there are only 2 workers to 1 retiree now. I don't plan on seeing social security. I put away 12% of my annual income into a retirement fund.

There is one power company in Utah. Rocky Mountain Power. I guarantee if we conserved power they would raise prices. They have already done that. They can because they know we will never go back to being cave men and get rid of electricity. I can't imagine them saying: "Well, the demand was less so we need to lower our prices." Where else can I go to buy electricity or natural gas?? Yes, getting rid of things like electricity and gasoline would make them lower prices but I think these small conservation efforts only make them raise prices to hold profits. I know its that way with the power company becuase it was on the news. We used less power and Rocky mountain power raised the price.

[blowndodge]

Public Utilities are a different animal Wolf. In Cal they have to appear in front of the Public Utilities Commission and beg for a raise and give the reason for it. If it's not appropriate, the Commission says no. These commissions are set up because some utilities are Monopolies by default and have no competition. I'm suprised that Rocky Mountain Power is allowed to be a Monopoly that is unregulated with the ability to charge whatever they want.

All the American oil companies own none of the oil traded on the world market. Did you know that when oil was about 30 bucks a barrel the US slowed down pumping very little of our own domestic oil because if was more profitable to buy the middle east oil? OPEC can control the oil prices by not pumping. Our oil companies have nothing to do with that.

The other comments on the CEO earning and what not..... I understand your point.

I will predict that this Xmas shopping season will be the worst in 20 years. Savings are at a all time low. Credit is at an all time high. The oil situation will cause prices to go up and the consumer will start cutting back leading to major losses in the earnigs report in retail and other businesses. Remember, a rising tide floats all boats? A sinking tide sinks them as well.

Not to fan the flames of fire but financial econ is somthing I'm very familiar with. I'm not one who's concern whether or not I have an agreeable audience or not.

Food for thought:

If oil goes to $100 per barrel, who pays it?????? Everyone! China, The British, French, Japanese, ANY country that has to import oil pays what everyone else pays Period, end, no other story. The buy a futures contract for whatever amount they think they need. If the Chinese or any country bid up the price of oil and gas, we have to "bid" agains their needs for the product as well as all the other importing countries.

The energy commission speculates that over 50% of all driving in the US is non essential. AKA leisure, pleasure driving. Keep driving for pleasure and you will pay to be "pleased". don't complain about it. You have a choice and you choose to drive.

5 years ago my work associates told me that if I didn't buy more real estate because the Real Estate industry has us over a barrel and hyping up the prices of property and I better get on board or be left behind! Gee, last time I check, mortages are in a record forclosure rate and increasing logrithmically monthy! How did that happen? People gave up on paying more than what a home is really worth and all those "speculators" with risky creative mortages are now getting screwed. I say tough bananas for them. I knew better.

I was lashed at for this "stupid" position and I tried to educate the naysayers about economics and that weath is not "created" it only "changes hands" and gave them the math that this "market dis-equilibrium" will fix itself with record falling prices and forclosures. Hmmm... what's the real estate market like now?? How did I know this a few years ago. Math never lies and it was a mathmatical certainty. You can't always predict when it will correct but non the less, it will, it always will.

Find another alternative to energy and oil will fall. don't use as much and oil will fall. If you understand the Stock Market and it's function to stabilize prices across the board then you know what I'm talking about. If you don't and won't listen and don't care to listen,,,, see the above reason.

Your position that if a company is not making money it raises prices!? Tell me you don't believe this? WalMart the biggest retailer in the WORLD profits has declined consistly because when it tried to raise prices people walked. If the biggest retailer knows this economical equation of higer prices mean risking less shoppers, the oil industry knows it too.

People have not nor does it look like they are going to drive less not matter what the price of gas is! Wouldn't you like a piece of that stupidity working for your bottom line?? I know I would! Like cigarettes your hooked on, you can jack the price of a carton up to 40 bucks and smokers will still pay it! d**n tobacco gougers! Give me a break... quit smoking.



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[socwkbiker]

The issue at the heart of the PUC is that they are a government entity, which means that lobbyists still influence their vote. TXU, the big electric company down here has not been denied their requests for a raise in prices, despite the fact that they are showing record profits. But, that is a discussion over beers somewhere and at some other time.

We as a society are too self-focused, not believing that what we do affects anyone or anything other than ourselves. We drive vehicles that practically require a commercial license to drive, we talk on the cell phone while we drive and we have lost our consideration for other people. The oil companies are fully aware of this and have been taking advantage of our selfishness for quite some time. Every time the newscasters announce the record profits, people act appalled, yet they continue to drive to the corner for a soda.

The sudden deluge of hybrid cars is supposed to help conserve resources and help the environment, but who can afford a hybrid? They are as much, if not more, than their counterparts and some have been shown to get worse gas mileage. The price of these vehicles has to come down in order to entice those in the lower socioeconomic status so they stop buying older, gas guzzling cars and trucks.

This is where we, as a society, have to really pay close attention to those we vote for in elections. It's going to be a hard holiday season for retailers this year, particularly since people can't afford to buy things after they paid $100 for gas just to drive to the mall.

[blowndodge]

Well put SWB. I'm surprised more don't understand the power of "Consumerism"

[Top Cat]

BD said , Not to fan the flames of fire but financial econ is somthing I'm very familiar with. I'm not one who's concern whether or not I have an agreeable audience or not
Point taken. I'm not put off by people who don't see my side of a dissagreement either :)
Call me any name you like, stupid, argumenative ,uneducated, I dont care. I will not change my opinion unless facts I can belive are presented to me.
Heres a fact . If I buy gas for my bike today and it is 3.50 a gallon then I go home and go to bed. That night while I sleep OPEC raises the price of a barrel of oil by $10. I get up in the morning and go to the same gas station and gas is now 3.75 a gallon. Thats the same gas that was in the stations tank the day before at 3.50. THATS GREED!!!!!!!!!
I use less fuel oil because we had a mild winter. They don't sell me as much oil as they figured they would so they raise the price. THATS GREED!
SWB said hybrid cars are supposed to help conserve resources and help the environment, but who can afford a hybrid
Even if all cars were hybrid do you not think the fuel for those cars would be just as high as gas once the demand was there.
The companies that supply that fuel know you need it. They know they can charge you whatever they want for it.
Once again I will state" Just because the demand is there it dosen't mean they HAVE to raise the price. It means they CAN and WILL raise the price. THATS GREED!
Wolfman taking a hit in his wages for health insurance while the CEO of the company makes 80 times what he does and probably gets his insurance paid by the company, THATS GREED.

[dogdoc]

well put Mr. Topcat,,,

[blowndodge]

and I would not be the one to disuade your opinions... I'd be willing to bet that if you owned an acre of corn and tomorrow we found out corn cures cancer, my gut feeling would be you set a new price for it and would charge what the market would bear and not sell it for a dime an ear like you used to. That's just my opinion.

[blowndodge]

And your certainly not stupid....not in my eyes anyway..

[Top Cat]

and I would not be the one to disuade your opinions... I'd be willing to bet that if you owned an acre of corn and tomorrow we found out corn cures cancer, my gut feeling would be you set a new price for it and would charge what the market would bear and not sell it for a dime an ear like you used to. That's just my opinion.

Now thats an interesting, thought provoking observation :)
I'm sure thats never going to happen. I'm also sure no one is going to believe my answer either.
I've seen cancer and I know what it does to the people who have it and to the loved ones of the people who lose them.
I would take my acre of corn and help cure any one of my loved ones who had the disease. I then would put a few ears away in case any more of my loved ones got the disease in the future so they wouldn't have to pay the other people who have corn a fortune to get cured.
Then , if my field of corn wasn't raided and stripped clean the second people found out it cured cancer , I would give it to any one else who needed it.
See, I told you no one would believe it.

[quote:9kmv0r2p]and I would not be the one to disuade your opinions... I'd be willing to bet that if you owned an acre of corn and tomorrow we found out corn cures cancer, my gut feeling would be you set a new price for it and would charge what the market would bear and not sell it for a dime an ear like you used to. That's just my opinion.

Now thats an interesting, thought provoking observation :)
I'm sure thats never going to happen. I'm also sure no one is going to believe my answer either.
I've seen cancer and I know what it does to the people who have it and to the loved ones of the people who lose them.
I would take my acre of corn and help cure any one of my loved ones who had the disease. I then would put a few ears away in case any more of my loved ones got the disease in the future so they wouldn't have to pay the other people who have corn a fortune to get cured.
Then , if my field of corn wasn't raided and stripped clean the second people found out it cured cancer , I would give it to any one else who needed it.
See, I told you no one would believe it.[/quote:9kmv0r2p]

I believe you!!! :)

Nico, Co-Candidate with Wolf for CPD ;)

[socwkbiker]

I believe that you would topcat, based on what we've learned of your personality. The point BD is making is that, hypothetically speaking, if something like that were to happen, the market would skyrocket based on demand. You may give it away, but your neighbor may charge the market rate. Why? Just as you said, Greed.

The oil companies and suppliers are well aware that we are not going to give up our cars and that we will use this resource until it runs out. That's why hybrid cars still use gas and are so expensive. You are right again, who can afford them?

If the demand for an item decreases significantly though, and a supplier ends up with excess, they learn that they can't sell that item for the same price as they did before. It's up to us as consumers to use less by riding bikes, carpooling and driving fuel efficient cars. I know that is idealistic, but we can hope people learn to use less so we can force the suppliers to lower their prices.

[Top Cat]

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If the demand for an item decreases significantly though, and a supplier ends up with excess, they learn that they can't sell that item for the same price as they did before. It's up to us as consumers to use less by riding bikes, carpooling and driving fuel efficient cars. I know that is idealistic, but we can hope people learn to use less so we can force the suppliers to lower their prices.


I get that SWB but that is the problem. They know we, and I am included, are not going to give up or change our lifestyle. I drive a 4x4 truck I feel I NEED in this NY winter. I do drive a 4 cylinder Escort in the summer. I ride my bike because I love to ride. So I will pay the price and so will the majority of others. But I am an American so I will complain every time I fill up. :)

[socwkbiker]

But you see topcat, you are doing exactly what they don't want you to do. You drive a fuel efficient car, ride a motorcycle and only use your 4x4 during the winter when you need to. I lived in NJ for 8 years so I know what those NY winters can be like, you need that 4x4!

The thing is, people like yourself are smart enough to do those types of things. It's the people driving near commercial vehicles with no real need for it. A little lady driving a huge suburban with no kids, dogs or anything else is simply driving that beast to show off. I know this because I see it all the time here in Dallas. These people are fueling the problem simply because of their egos. That fuels the oil companies greed and we pay the cost. The desire is to change the mentality of people that bigger is not better and that unless you have a genuine need, that huge ass truck can stay home.

[blowndodge]

Topcat at least your honest and a stand up guy! Just as long as you realize people who pay and continue to complain............... well, you know the rest....... :-) Some of us have "strike back personalities" and will do something, even if its only a token. I think Idaho and I think that we don't have to conform or except the pricing of goods brought on by apathy of the situation. I know that if I was on a jet plane being hijacked by a couple of guys with a box cutter with 100 hostages, it would take me all of 5 seconds to focus on somebody adams apple and I'd go for the kill. My personality is not "what are we all going to do?. I say "lets roll". We all witnessed how many people did nothing and waited for their unfortunate fate.

All of us handle adversity differently.

Was anyone able to verify the post about the trucks carrying only Regular, Premium, and Diesel..... and that mid-grade tanks were filled with premium?? I think maybe it was Wolfie's post?

BD, could you research this please?

Thank you,

Nico

Well put SWB. I'm surprised more don't understand the power of "Communism"

[Top Cat]

Yes BD, I will pay and I will complain :)
In your airplane scenario though I am with you 100%.
Her in NY State there is a law that if someone breaks into your house you have to retreat to the farthest point available and try to avoid a confrontation before you can use deadly force :) Yeah, I don't see that happening. If someone breaks into my house I and I have a weapon........All of us handle adversity differently
Oh yeah, Nico had a question about something to do with gas. How did we get on that subject? ???

[Top Cat]

[quote:ytsp9tc3]Well put SWB. I'm surprised more don't understand the power of "Communism"[/quote:ytsp9tc3]

I think Nico is putting words in your mouth BD http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif

[blowndodge]

Nico is off his meds again!

[dogdoc]

Good memory Nico, that was wolf's thread earlier about Chevron. I have not heard any updates whether thats valid.

I'm still looking into it. I hope to talk to a driver or something. Not some white shirt behind a desk that would lie about it anyway. If I remember correctly, the last time I was at cheveron I remember seeing 3 covers on the ground in a row where they connect the fill hoses from the truck to the underground tanks.

[socwkbiker]

Nico is off his meds again!

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[quote:jkxx2rai]Nico is off his meds again!

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I took my Thorazine this morning! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

And what else...................

And what else...................


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A Jetson burger??

Today I read that oil has hit an all time high of almost $100 a barrel. Also an interesting side note: We burn 730 million gallons of diesel fuel every week and we burn 280 million gallons of gasoline per week. I guess that would be why diesel costs more - more demand. Gas projected to be 4.50/gal next summer.

I'm curious what our canadian brothers are paying?

Its wierd how different parts of the world have such different prices. Europe was 4 times us in the 90's (don't know what they are now) When I was in Iraq in 2003 I was talking to an iraqi guy and I don't remember the exact price but it was ridiculously cheap. He said its so cheap they wash their cars with gas instead of water!

[Top Cat]

[quote author=wolfman He said its so cheap they wash their cars with gas instead of water![/quote]

I hope nobody goes by smoking while they are washing the car http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

[blowndodge]

I kinda hope they do?? I know, my bad

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I kinda hope they do?? I know, my bad

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[quote:fvc3znjw]Nico is off his meds again!

This is something new? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif[/quote:fvc3znjw]

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[oledawg]

I try to buy my gas at a station that does a high volume of business. In the past i've gotten bad fuel from low volume,and off brand fuels. Also I try to use a station that uses seperate hoses for each grade of fuel. If you get 91 octane from a hose that just pumped 87 octane to a previous customer, don't you think there will still be some 87 octane still in the line? My 2/c

I try to buy my gas at a station that does a high volume of business. In the past i've gotten bad fuel from low volume,and off brand fuels. Also I try to use a station that uses seperate hoses for each grade of fuel. If you get 91 octane from a hose that just pumped 87 octane to a previous customer, don't you think there will still be some 87 octane still in the line? My 2/c


Good thought OD.

[rewindgy]

Around $1.09 per litre Cdn or $4.38 per U.S. Gallon for Premium in Calgary, Alberta, Canada - place were the damn stuff comes from!! Think we'd get a small break? Been as high as $1.18 per litre.

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[mike]

All the gas is the same, up to a point. What leaves the refinery is is either Conventional Regular or Premium or Reformulated Regular or Premium. The octane for each depends on the market it will be sold in. RVP (volatility) is adjusted as the seasons change, again by market.

Where the brands differ lies in the additive package that is added at the wholesaler's terminal prior to delivery to the stations. Now Shell gas and Chevron gas are different.

From there its mostly personal preference.

[dogdoc]

Well I see I started something that went from a gas question to just a bunch of fun, sorry.

Well I see I started something that went from a gas question to just a bunch of fun, sorry.

Don't be sorry.

[beezer]

[quote:4nkhengy]Well I see I started something that went from a gas question to just a bunch of fun, sorry.

Don't be sorry. [/quote:4nkhengy]

Relax Doc, it'll be alright http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif

[basco]

see what you started doc its all your fault http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

Well I see I started something that went from a gas question to just a bunch of fun, sorry.

Actually Doc, you did a good thing. I think we all need to vent about things like this, especially when it hits us not only in the wallet, but in our ability to ride as much as we would like.

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[dogdoc]

Anytime, yep the wallet is aching!

[finky]

Around a $1.40 a ltr here at the moment in Aus.