Gains vs. price of aftermarket air intake?

[ds06nomad]

I have a Thunder Mfg. "Tornado" intake left over from my Suzuki Blvd C50T. All I would need is the proper adapter for the Nomad and can reuse the rest.

My question is this: Is it worth it? Would I see that much more gain from the Thunder kit vs. the stock intake unit? I have the PCIII and V&H duallie pipes already installed. And there is a local shop that is PCIII dyno certified to custom map it. Just wondering if it's worth it ($100 adapter + $250 custom map)???

Opinions, real life experiences, ????

Thanks,
Daryl

[dogdoc]

YESSSSSSS, Go for it!

I have a Thunder Mfg. "Tornado" intake left over from my Suzuki Blvd C50T. All I would need is the proper adapter for the Nomad and can reuse the rest.

My question is this: Is it worth it? Would I see that much more gain from the Thunder kit vs. the stock intake unit? I have the PCIII and V&H duallie pipes already installed. And there is a local shop that is PCIII dyno certified to custom map it. Just wondering if it's worth it ($100 adapter + $250 custom map)???

Opinions, real life experiences, ????

Thanks,
Daryl


I think Doc is right! But just to be sure..... ASK BLOWNDODGE... our resident Chief Mechanic... he'll leave no doubt in your mind of the advantages &/or disadvantages!!!

Nico

[blowndodge]

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[blowndodge]

I have a Thunder Mfg. "Tornado" intake left over from my Suzuki Blvd C50T. All I would need is the proper adapter for the Nomad and can reuse the rest.

My question is this: Is it worth it? Would I see that much more gain from the Thunder kit vs. the stock intake unit? I have the PCIII and V&H duallie pipes already installed. And there is a local shop that is PCIII dyno certified to custom map it. Just wondering if it's worth it ($100 adapter + $250 custom map)???

Opinions, real life experiences, ????



Thanks,
Daryl



Reports have shown a rather substantial gain in both HP and Torque. 10 HP and 12 lbft in Torque.

I have not done this mod and the intake noise to me is too droning a noise to listen to. Whether it's worth the $250 custom map is debateable. You could download from their website for free after providing the information about the mods of your bike and go from there.

Don't be surprised as a substantial loss in MPG that most report doing this mod.

[Scoot]

I have a Thunder Mfg. "Tornado" intake left over from my Suzuki Blvd C50T. All I would need is the proper adapter for the Nomad and can reuse the rest.

My question is this: Is it worth it? Would I see that much more gain from the Thunder kit vs. the stock intake unit? I have the PCIII and V&H duallie pipes already installed. And there is a local shop that is PCIII dyno certified to custom map it. Just wondering if it's worth it ($100 adapter + $250 custom map)???

Opinions, real life experiences, ????

Thanks,
Daryl

I agree with Doc Go For It!!! My only question is why you already have the PCIII installed if your NOT going to add a Thunder Kit?

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[blowndodge]

What part of you providing this service free don't you understand???? Gratis? no chargo dago?

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[dragon57]

I did mine all at once (PC111, V&H Baggers, Thunder stealth air kit per Gadget). I noticed an increase in performance, but a decrease in fuel mileage(I like hearing the pipes). The way I understand it, it's the airkit that makes all the difference, the rest only make negligable difference.
So, I'm sure BD is right.........................again! LOL

[Todd]

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[flightdoc]

I hate to be the 'fly in the oinment" but here goes my question from the other side.
After doing all these mods to your bike, all the additional monies, the decrease in mpg, all the noise the bike is going to make......is it really worth it? If you're into going as fast as you can in a quarter mile then by all means go for it. I would.
My last bike had V&H pipes and a jet kit. I "think" it made a difference in performance but not much. The noise however drove my wife and myself crazy over any long distance....1/2 hr or more. My mpg dropped from about 45mpg to 32mpg. Since we are more into the enjoyment of traveling longer distances I don't know that having all the mods is worth it. Less fuel mileage alot more noise. I bought my Nomad because it carries a huge load, does it comfortably/quietly and allows us to talk while riding off into the sunset!! I'm sure not saying anyone is wrong for making the changes just think about it hard before doing all that work and spending the additional money. That's all.

I hate to be the 'fly in the oinment" but here goes my question from the other side.
After doing all these mods to your bike, all the additional monies, the decrease in mpg, all the noise the bike is going to make......is it really worth it? If you're into going as fast as you can in a quarter mile then by all means go for it. I would.
My last bike had V&H pipes and a jet kit. I "think" it made a difference in performance but not much. The noise however drove my wife and myself crazy over any long distance....1/2 hr or more. My mpg dropped from about 45mpg to 32mpg. Since we are more into the enjoyment of traveling longer distances I don't know that having all the mods is worth it. Less fuel mileage alot more noise. I bought my Nomad because it carries a huge load, does it comfortably/quietly and allows us to talk while riding off into the sunset!! I'm sure not saying anyone is wrong for making the changes just think about it hard before doing all that work and spending the additional money. That's all.


There ya go being practical and logical again....... ;)

[flightdoc]

I knew I'd catch hell from some of you!! Go ahead...let it fly.

[Todd]

It's only worth the money you spend, if you have the extra money to spend on it and it's what you want on your bike.....

I know that sounds simple...but that's really what it boils down to. The only thing I really wanted was more sound, so I modified the exhaust system.....one day I want to get more power just because I know I can, so I will probably open up the intake and modify the fuel processor with a PCIII or similar........I really think the bike has more than adequate power the way it is, so I will need to have some cash laying around that I have nothing else to spend (er...waste) it on. With two teenagers, who knows when that will be ;) ;)

[flightdoc]

and I hope you enjoy it too sir...

[Todd]

and I hope you enjoy it too sir...

The bike mods or the teenagers??? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[flightdoc]

Having teenagers can be like having an electrical gremlin in your bike. Right when you are sure you have it figured out...it craps out on you somewhere else.
Been there already . Good luck with the teenagers.

[blowndodge]

And Nico's saddlebag is still trashed!!!!

[dogdoc]

I agree gentlemen, the V&H are enough for me, I wanted sound and i got it. I dont know if I will ever opt for air kit/fuel processor because all you get is less mpg and a bit more ump. I think it has enough ump now. And btw I will do free anal gland expressions on any and all dogs on here for kawanow members and BD will pick up my tab, thx. Dr. T

I agree gentlemen, the V&H are enough for me, I wanted sound and i got it. I dont know if I will ever opt for air kit/fuel processor because all you get is less mpg and a bit more ump. I think it has enough ump now. And btw I will do free anal gland expressions on any and all dogs on here for kawanow members and BD will pick up my tab, thx. Dr. T



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[Todd]

I agree gentlemen, the V&H are enough for me, I wanted sound and i got it. I dont know if I will ever opt for air kit/fuel processor because all you get is less mpg and a bit more ump. I think it has enough ump now. And btw I will do free anal gland expressions on any and all dogs on here for kawanow members and BD will pick up my tab, thx. Dr. T


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[dogdoc]

cute Sue,,lol

[biscuitsngravy]

Daryl,
Last month I was sitting in my truck at a stoplight and a stock Nomad rolled ahead of me. Although a beautiful machine, there was just no sound coming out of it. Right then I decided to put a custom exhaust system on my bike and get some sound out of my big twin. I wanted to be a little different too. I opted for a Cobra Speedster Xtra Longs Exhaust System as I hope you can see in the photo. I bought a Power Commander to go with it.

I put the exhaust system on myself but I had a full tank of gas at the time and didn’t want to struggle getting the tank off to plug in the Power Commander. I took it to the local Kawasaki dealer and had them put on the Power Commander and dyno tune it. Now comes the good part….. when I brought it in to the dealership, it was getting 58.33 max hp and 83.93 max torque. After they tuned it on the dyno, it got 62.93 max hp and 86.62 max torque. And, my oh my, the sound is beautiful. No crackling or backfiring. Throttle response is smooth as silk, and it starts and runs easily with a little high idle on a cold morning, then quickly settling down to a frumpfity frumpfity. It has never died on me at a stoplight and it certainly doesn’t act like it ever will. The extra power and smoothness is downright sensual.

At 75-85 mph, you can hear the exhaust for sure, but I don't think it is annoying in any way. I am very, very pleased with it. I haven't decided yet if I want to put an air kit on it. Don't know if it really needs it 'cause the thing runs so nice now.

So that's MY experience. Hope it helps.
BnG

[nomadwest]

On my former 1100 Spirit I did the V&H pipes, the K&N filter, and the jet kit and noticed about a 10% increase in torque and HP. The gas mileage did not seem to change. Loved the sound around town but hated it out on long trips on the highway. Since my Nomad has plenty of power I will probably settle for the quiet longhaul sound. But I still have the urge to put those Vance & Hines on anyway. Dave
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[blowndodge]

Sweet looking ride nomadwest.

[voyager]

If everyone doesn't mind I need to ask this question as well. My '07 is great but I would like just a little more noise out of the exhaust. Not interested at this time to adjust the intake ( aside from a K&N filter when one is due ) And, I don't have enough miles on it to complain about HP or the lack of any. So, are V&H's my best option? or maybe Cobra's ? I read that RoadHouse was near going out of business so they seem a bit shakey. I just want to be able to hear the engine in traffic and through the wind noise when on the highway.

voyager

On my former 1100 Spirit I did the V&H pipes, the K&N filter, and the jet kit and noticed about a 10% increase in torque and HP. The gas mileage did not seem to change. Loved the sound around town but hated it out on long trips on the highway. Since my Nomad has plenty of power I will probably settle for the quiet longhaul sound. But I still have the urge to put those Vance & Hines on anyway. Dave
http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/uploads/dudewest_RJRKQ.jpg


If the money isn't a concern.... go with the V&H's !!

[dogdoc]

I went with V&H because I wanted a deep and better sound, I wanted to gut the goats belly and I wanted true duals not those fake stock pipes, thats my 2cw.

If everyone doesn't mind I need to ask this question as well. My '07 is great but I would like just a little more noise out of the exhaust. Not interested at this time to adjust the intake ( aside from a K&N filter when one is due ) And, I don't have enough miles on it to complain about HP or the lack of any. So, are V&H's my best option? or maybe Cobra's ? I read that RoadHouse was near going out of business so they seem a bit shakey. I just want to be able to hear the engine in traffic and through the wind noise when on the highway.

voyager

Drill the mufflers out like BD explained in the removing silencer thread. If you don't like it you can always pay the 500 bucks and get the V&H.

[bobzinger]

I did a variation of the atttached Caddman kit. I put a 9'X2" filter and chrome cover on the left side in place of the stock filter. The 9" filter fits perfect on the backplate. Make sure to cover the original intake hole as shown. I got a Spectre blue gauze (K&N type) filter with chrome cover from ebay for $18. The complete caddman put one on each side. It's probably cheaper than a Thunder?kit.

http://www.gadgetjq.com/caddmankit.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Proform-66815-Air-Filter-Assembly-9-in-Round-Steel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43946QQihZ011QQit emZ320168246002QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Spectre-9-Blue-K-and-N-Style-Air-Filter-Element-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43946QQihZ005QQitem Z150080040042QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

[dogdoc]

Good job Bob: those two links don't work.

once again, copy and paste the entire link. This forum only allows so many characters to be used in a link

[beezer]

Knowing you Daryl, you won't be happy without it so just do it and move on to the next mod http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/1beezer/Drogar-DolarDBG.gif

[ds06nomad]

Knowing you Daryl, you won't be happy without it so just do it and move on to the next mod http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/1beezer/Drogar-DolarDBG.gif

Wait, do I know you from another forum??? who is this???

Daryl

[beezer]

[quote:zwpxbxuk]Knowing you Daryl, you won't be happy without it so just do it and move on to the next mod http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/1beezer/Drogar-DolarDBG.gif

Wait, do I know you from another forum??? who is this???

Daryl[/quote:zwpxbxuk]

ummmm, the VR
beezer

Old home week! :)

[Top Cat]

I wanted true duals not those fake stock pipes, thats my 2cw.

WHAT? You mean those two pipes on my stock Nomad are fake? GEEEEZZZ, there is one on each side and exaust comes out of each one. I thought for sure I had duels. If they aren't duels what the he11 are they? ???

[beezer]

what happened to Daryl?

Reports have shown a rather substantial gain in both HP and Torque. 10 HP and 12 lbft in Torque.[/quote]

Ok i still don't understand why the change...1600CC how much more HP power and or Torgue is required for this easy rider of a bike. It's a cruiser not a racer. And any article i have come across about these mods the gas mileage is lower than the orginal stock bike. IMO

[ds06nomad]

[quote:3tr65u1r]I have a Thunder Mfg. "Tornado" intake left over from my Suzuki Blvd C50T. All I would need is the proper adapter for the Nomad and can reuse the rest.

My question is this: Is it worth it? Would I see that much more gain from the Thunder kit vs. the stock intake unit? I have the PCIII and V&H duallie pipes already installed. And there is a local shop that is PCIII dyno certified to custom map it. Just wondering if it's worth it ($100 adapter + $250 custom map)???

Opinions, real life experiences, ????

Thanks,
Daryl

I agree with Doc Go For It!!! My only question is why you already have the PCIII installed if your NOT going to add a Thunder Kit?[/quote:3tr65u1r]

Scoot and Doc,
You hit the nail on the head! That is EXACTLY why I had the PCIII installed in advance... because I KNEW I was going to add an aftermarket intake of some kind. I also have a certified dyno shop within 2 miles of me. The guy did my C50T and made it "jump" with a custom map. So, knowing me and my inability to resist the temptation, I was honest with myself and installed the PCIII knowing I would mod the intake sooner rather than later.

Legitimate caviats though, gents... but for once I knew what I was doing and where I was going!

Cheers,
Daryl

[Todd]

Cookie,

I'm kinda with you...it has plenty of power.....but, one day I will open it up and let her breath better and get the extra HP......why???? Because it's there

I guess so that's the reason I love to deep dive because I can...cheers

Dragon your dead on bro.


I did mine all at once (PC111, V&H Baggers, Thunder stealth air kit per Gadget). I noticed an increase in performance, but a decrease in fuel mileage(I like hearing the pipes). The way I understand it, it's the airkit that makes all the difference, the rest only make negligable difference.
So, I'm sure BD is right.........................again! LOL

[blowndodge]

Reports have shown a rather substantial gain in both HP and Torque. 10 HP and 12 lbft in Torque.

Ok i still don't understand why the change...1600CC how much more HP power and or Torgue is required for this easy rider of a bike. It's a cruiser not a racer. And any article i have come across about these mods the gas mileage is lower than the orginal stock bike. IMO

I'm in somewhat agreement with you Cookie with the reason Todd said. I'm a former hot dogger from way back and I now like the cruiser long distant Nomad a lot. I was, however, mildly disappointed that at 1600cc ( I know its a little smaller than that) and a 4 valve head (this is used almost primarily to increase horsepower and torque across the rpm scale) that the HP and TQ numbers were so.....mild? That head designed is used for agressive tuning.

Kawasaki could have got those same numbers with an air cooled two valved head. I can understand not having tons of HP because HP is a function of torque X rpm. 5900 with de-fueling starting at about 5600, we ain't ever going to get big HP numbers and thats not a problem. At least with me.

I'm surprised that at 1600cc when I twist it hard on the highway it doesn't want to toss me off the back. I'm giving up horsepower for mucho torque with a 4 valve V-Twin.

My buddies 1800cc Gold Wing with 6 cylinders and more weight has more torque EVERYWHERE. That shouldn't be the case but it is. At 65 when we roll it on, he pulls me by 5 bikes by 85.

His bike is not a racer nor designed to be one but his ability to get out of the way RIGHT NOW is something the Nomad should be able to do a little better.

Most guys who have freed up the intake and exhaust report that throttle response in high gear is amazing now!

I think it should have been that way given the design of the motor was a great place to start. It had the makings of a torque monster by design and it came out super mild. That to me is why some are freeing up the intake and exhaust.

BD

One of the reasons I got rid of my shadow was when I was cruising at 70 and would roll on the throttle nothing would happen. The nomad is better but I would like more. I have heard good things about the VTX1800. One report stated: "2nd gear will get you a speeding ticket anywhere in the US and 3rd gear roll ons from 80-110 will take your breath away." Has anyone ridden a VTX?

Yes i have ridien my buddys vtx1800R and it's fast but crazy fast. Nothing like the nomad in comfort and touring. It does have good power but everytime we ride together I keep with him no matter what he tries. Maybe it's the rider but who knows!

[blowndodge]

I test rode one wolf and I didn't like the "beat" of the engine. Big ponies though...

I figured. Comfort and touring are more important to me than speed. I'm satisfied with the stock power of the nomad. I wouldn't be offended if it was more though.

[blowndodge]

Me either. My bike "seems" to run better now than ever. Maybe one more small tweak and I'll leave well enough alone. LOL Ya right!!

The new law here in Ontario Canada if your 50km over the limit your bike/vehicle is taken away from you for a week, you loose your license, medium find $2000 to $10000.00 or yes and don't forget your insurance company will be notified and then your rates will either go up or they drop you from their policy. This is a crack down for all the racing that is in Ontario. I know that when I'm on the super highways 401 series riding two up and i need that jump to get around the semi i have it, but don't get my wrong i understand that there is always someone looking for the faster speed. I'm just happy with what I have and how it performs. Cheers

One of the reasons I got rid of my shadow was when I was cruising at 70 and would roll on the throttle nothing would happen. The nomad is better but I would like more. I have heard good things about the VTX1800. One report stated: "2nd gear will get you a speeding ticket anywhere in the US and 3rd gear roll ons from 80-110 will take your breath away." Has anyone ridden a VTX?

My friend has a VTX1800.... it's a rocket.

[bobzinger]

And my friends VTX uses Regular Gas!

[spork]

WHOOOOOOA! Guys help me out a little here.

I have been a VROC member for YEARS (#5272) and have been very active in the boards there in the past and the one thing that attracted me to the mods mentioned here is that you get BETTER MPG. I personally have known guys to go from the avg of 35mpg to over 40 mpg after the mods. The theory, as explained to me, was that the proper air/fuel flow and mixture allows the bike to be more efficient and therefore produce power without working as hard.

I just placed my order for the Thunder Teardrop intake and the PCIII will be in tomorrow. I am already not pleased with the 35 mpg I am averaging (although WAY better than the 15mpg my truck gets)

Why are you all experiencing a DECREASE in mileage?

Don't start sniping me ;), I understand how a heavy hand will decrease your mileage. Has anyone else had a different experience????

On the other questions, I have had V&H on my Classic and my Nomad and I love the sound! I wanted throaty V-twin sound without excessive noise at low rpms. (Don't want to wake the neighbors every morning when I leave for work.) I have the Baggers with the Baffles in and they are just about perfect. I can still set off car alarms in a parking garage when I need to :) but can be quiet when that is needed also. The Cobras look REALLY sweet as well, I just haven't heard them in the duals style.

VTX- Father-in-law has one and bought the frist C model available from the local dealer. Power is incredible. Ride on the C model is not all that great but man! The power!!!!!!

Another friend has an R model and that is a little more comfortable but the seat would go in the attic as soon as I got one home. Like riding on a brick!

I have to agree with the comment BD made about the pulse of the motor. I want something more true to the V-Twins that I fell in love with so that was enough for me to stick with the Nomad for now.

I do like the looks of the N model though. That gangster rear fender with the frenched in LEDS is quite breath taking. http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif

[flightdoc]

I believe that when the mods are put in place that the more air going in needs more fuel to mix with . That's I believe is where the decrease comes from BUT we do have a resident expert on staff that could address that better than me.

[blowndodge]

When one increases the flow in and out of the engine, one tends to twist the throttle more to feel it!!! That, and sometimes the addtional overall horsepower and torque come at a price of inefficiencies at certain throttle settings.

[spork]

When one increases the flow in and out of the engine, one tends to twist the throttle more to feel it!!! That, and sometimes the addtional overall horsepower and torque come at a price of inefficiencies at certain throttle settings.

You have a future in politics!

;)

The PCIII is in and now I am waiting on Thunder to get their act together! For some odd reason, they will not ship the product till Thursday..... Don't they know I am not a patient person!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will post the results and experience once I get it all done.

[Idaho]

Man, they know how to deter speeding in Canada, big time!! I think that the Nomad has enough power for the most part. If I wanted muscle I would have bought a 2000 Classic or waited for the Suzi C109RT. Actually glad that I did not wait. I would have killed myself on either of those bikes.

Man, they know how to deter speeding in Canada, big time!! I think that the Nomad has enough power for the most part. If I wanted muscle I would have bought a 2000 Classic or waited for the Suzi C109RT. Actually glad that I did not wait. I would have killed myself on either of those bikes.

My thoughts also.... Stay safe folks

[rewindgy]

Nope - PCIII / Intake Mod / V & H Baggers - mileage took dump - dealer can't figure it out - removed PCIII / mileage went up / removed V & H Baggers - replaced with Harley Touring Mufflers - mileage went up again / don't know how it wil pull trailer now? However no spectacular notice in lack of power! Do not however get to rap the throttle and set off car alarms now! - but am not stopping for gas every hour either!

[dogdoc]

sounds to me all the mods are priceless? Good if you can afford them but lots more gas to go with them. heard this before on here. Thx.

[dogdoc]

if I had wanted speed I would have bought the latest kawa Ninja about 200mph or close to it. i couldnt afford the insurance $3,000 a year, I couldn't handle that speed who could and I dont like crotch rockets. I like what i have. its anemic yes after driving it for 2 yrs, at first it was fast but now anemic as I have grown acustomed to it. Im not adding on more stuff to tweak another 5-10 hp because in my opinion it ain't worth it. it will hit 100 mph easy. Im done., Thx you.

[spork]

if I had wanted speed I would have bought the latest kawa Ninja about 200mph or close to it. i couldnt afford the insurance $3,000 a year, I couldn't handle that speed who could and I dont like crotch rockets. I like what i have. its anemic yes after driving it for 2 yrs, at first it was fast but now anemic as I have grown acustomed to it. Im not adding on more stuff to tweak another 5-10 hp because in my opinion it ain't worth it. it will hit 100 mph easy. Im done., Thx you.

I really agree. I am not all that dissappointed with the power of the 1500. I had just heard many times over the years from owners who had the mileage improve after the mods. If it looks like the mileage will decrease, I guess it will be Ebay for the stuff.

I will then have to order another cross-over tube since I am SOOOO looking forward to cutting this one to little bitty pieces.!!!!!!!!!

More to come.......

[dogdoc]

Sorry Spork you bit it off like alot of young Nomaders do wanting more this or that. You can always go back stock though. I think Im getting the best mpg I ever have gotten with just V&H baggers and no other mods. City: 28-32 HWY: 40-42 documented for sure. Good Luck