Mobil 1 GRAY cap

The 15W50 Mobil 1 at Walmart in this area has a gray cap, not red. I am considering using it on the next oil change.

It does not have the energy conserving label on it, was wondering if this is the same as the red cap. Want to be sure it does not have friction modifiers in it. Have any of you used the gray cap `15W50 Mobil 1?
Presently have the expensive Mobil 1 10W40 4T MC racing oil in it. Mobil says this is really for the higher revving sport bikes. Seems a little thin on some of the 93 degrees days I have ridden in. Mobil's MC 20 W 5O V-Twin oil is for hotter running air cooled engines .
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[nightflight1]

I use the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, 20W50. I did let the engine break in properly using the stock oil for one oil change then went to Mobil 1. If you have trouble finding it at WalMart, just go to your local Auto Zone, O'Reilly, etc. and pick it up. I have used the WalMart ST 7317 tech filter on my '05 Nomad from the start and they seem to work great, and the price is definitely good on those filters.
Wayne
Night Flight

[flightdoc]

I just started running the vtwin mobil1 after 6 oil changes. Engine does seem a bit quieter. Of course that maybe wishful thinking

[nightflight1]

I just started running the vtwin mobil1 after 6 oil changes. Engine does seem a bit quieter. Of course that maybe wishful thinking

I feel my bike is quieter and smoother shifting. I started using the V-Twin Mobil after the first 2 oil changes. The Walmart ST7317 filter works great and is not expensive. I do have to buy my oil at a parts store as Walmart in my area does not carry it.

[ponch]

The VTWIN is meant for air cooled engines.



I use the Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, 20W50. I did let the engine break in properly using the stock oil for one oil change then went to Mobil 1. If you have trouble finding it at WalMart, just go to your local Auto Zone, O'Reilly, etc. and pick it up. I have used the WalMart ST 7317 tech filter on my '05 Nomad from the start and they seem to work great, and the price is definitely good on those filters.
Wayne
Night Flight

[ponch]

That's what I use and it works fine. In the fall I will switch to 10w-40 synthetic for winter riding.



The 15W50 Mobil 1 at Walmart in this area has a gray cap, not red. I am considering using it on the next oil change.

It does not have the energy conserving label on it, was wondering if this is the same as the red cap. Want to be sure it does not have friction modifiers in it. Have any of you used the gray cap `15W50 Mobil 1?
Presently have the expensive Mobil 1 10W40 4T MC racing oil in it. Mobil says this is really for the higher revving sport bikes. Seems a little thin on some of the 93 degrees days I have ridden in. Mobil's MC 20 W 5O V-Twin oil is for hotter running air cooled engines .
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Will the WalMart ST 7317 fit the 1500FI Nomad? Do they have a cross reference book in the store?

[dogdoc]

So everybody agrees that Mobil 1 synthetic oil in the 1600 Nomad with work WELL w/o clutch slippage?????? Thx

Doc

http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm This is from 1994..... I'm sure a lot has changed.... or maybe not..... scroll to the bottom. :)

So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?

First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:

Superior long-term engine protection.

Superior high-temperature stability.

Excellent low-temperature starting.

Outstanding engine performance.

Low volatility/low oil consumption

It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:

Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers.


Kinda makes ya wonder........
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx#FAQs2

[blowndodge]

Maybe I can shed a little light on this Nico.

The biggest difference on use between car and bike is that cars don't have wet multi-plate clutches. Remember the clutch is bathed in the same oil as the rest of the engine and splitting hairs the best possible lubrication for the upper end of the bike would be the oil with the least coefficient of friction, or oil with lots of "energy reduction fortifiers"

Problem is this super slippery oil is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you want your wet clutch to be soaking in since the upper and lower end share the same oil. It can and often does make the clutch slip.

Mobil 1 V-Twin states on the bottle that it was designed for big hot V-Twin air cooled engines, more specifically it was made as a replacement to Harley's own oil. This oil has more zinc which is added as a "coating" agent to the internal parts of the engine. Fortunately, this zinc is good for wet clutches and has no friction modifiers. That the oil states its for air cooled engines means it has less "ash" residue which you can disregard as moot. This idea is that it's strong suit is combating engine heat.

Synthetic Oil has a much higher tolerance for heat which is the #1 killer of heat so with our Nomads this is good. Just need to stay away from friction modifiers.

Lately, I've been thinking of running Shell's Rotella synthetic diesel oil. I have a Dodge TD and I run it in there and it specifically has no friction modifiers and tons of zinc and other component that are good for turbo diesel engines and from what I've read on whats good for motorcycle engines should be the hot ticket for Nomads.

I've heard results from other Nomad owners on clutch operation and smooth shifting and easy start up in very cold weather. Its 5-40 weight oil. Don't let the "5" fool you into thinking thats too thin. Thats just a "measurement" of pour point or the temperature of the oil that it still pours or flows at a certain speed.

Did I confuse ya???

No BD.... makes good sense..... I'll probably try that Rotella if it's carried at Auto Zone.... http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

[blowndodge]

Wally World carries it for 13.99 a gallon. Can't beat it.

Coolio!! You said it's 5-40w? Do they make a 15 or 20-50w?? Just curious...

[socwkbiker]

So since I'm changing my oil this weekend, the mobile 1 or the rotelle would be better since it's been and will be very hot here in TX?

[blowndodge]

I'd go ahead and put the either the Mobil 1 or Rotella syn 5/40 for now. It takes about twice the temp to burn down synthetic oil as compared to non synthetics. I belief that my next change will be Rotella because the dirt suspension requirements of a diesel (read, far dirtier on the motor oil than gas engines) is higher. In other words diesel is way harder on motor oil than gas engines; way harder. In fact I know of a lot of diesel truck owners that have put a "pre-oiler" on their engines to start the oil pump before the engine is started.. Most of engine wear is due to "dry starts". Oil in the pan instead of the upper end. A lower bottom number like 5/40wt will pump through the engine quicker on start up than heavier oil.

I've read lots of owners complaining on how loud their Nomads are a first start up. Something to think about???

Another thing about oil. Did you know that most high performance motorcycles don't recommend 20/50 oil? Know why? At the rpms they turn the oil thickness starts converting to parasitic losses. It actually will run hotter than 10/40.

So I'd say if you have synthetic non friction reducing oil, 10/40 would be more than fine.

Oil manufacturers started making the thick oil 50wt and 60wt a long time ago for older big engines that had a tendency to burn oil as it worked its way past the rings. Usually this oil found homes in old agricultural engines. Todays modern engines are so tight in their tolerances that thiner oil is fine and usually desireable because of some parasitic losses as mentioned above. Notice the 0/30 wt. oil that come standard in a lot of newer cars now.

Try both Mobil 1 and Rotella and the one that keeps your engine the quietest would be the one to use since both are excellent oils.

Well I've got one of each in there...... so can't tell....

But it has WAY more power now!!

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Wally World carries it for 13.99 a gallon. Can't beat it.


It was $16.59 in Dago Wally World........

[Top Cat]

NICO, did you actually put one quart of each brand in your bike?

TC, actually yes I did....

"Mobil 1 is compatible with conventional oils."

"Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is compatible with conventional and synthetic motor oils"

I've read a bunch of threads that say it's fine........ if not I'lllet ya know soon enough!!

Nico

[blowndodge]

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[ponch]

WTF is dago wally world? http://s2.images.proboards.com/angry.gif:(" title=">:(" border="0"/>



[quote:7t9qyk13]Wally World carries it for 13.99 a gallon. Can't beat it.


It was $16.59 in Dago Wally World........[/quote:7t9qyk13]

[lw]

Dago wally world is likely an identifier for a Walmart in San Diego. But it could be something else entirely. JM2C

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[Todd]

OK..all new members...ATTENTION...ATTENTION.....when is everyone available for Nico orientation this coming week...we will hold class when it's convenient to everyone......understanding the Smiterbater is essential to understanding the board http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif

[ponch]

That would not pass muster in some parts of NY, like Bensonhurst, Howard Beach or Little Italy. I am half italian and would not say it. I mean that would be like saying the Nword wally world in Harlem. Tu sei pazzo.



Dago wally world is likely an identifier for a Walmart in San Diego. But it could be something else entirely. JM2C

Well I'm full blooded Italian FBI first generation Italian-American..... 1/2 Calabrese 1/2 Abbrusezze (a little Napoletano in there) http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif I'm a Dago, I live in Dago, and the Dago gang rides here as well (no offense to the MC club)

E si, sono pazzo puro! http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

Nico the Dago http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif


p.s. Dago is not derrogetory llike WOP... which means With Out Papers.... I know my Paisans would be way cool with me,... trust me.

Old Italian saying:

"Ci sono due tipi di personne in questo mondo;

Quelle che sono vere Italiane, e quelle che lo volessero essere!!"

[blowndodge]

Which means, "I spilled my drink on my shirt!"

[Todd]

Are you sure it doesnt mean "We're out of Vodka, lets start on the Whiskey"

[socwkbiker]

It means Stop wearing your old grandma's pajamas and pass the bourbon.

Don't make me start on clear tequila...... I have to be able to see through whatever I drink... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

We have friends like that. Once the tequila starts flowin' the lips start flappin.

btw.... the translation is:

There are 2 types of people in this world;

Those that are Italian...... and

Those that wish they were.....

[ponch]

My Dad is 100% Napolitano. Vitulazio actually. He would take offense to being called a dago.



Well I'm full blooded Italian FBI first generation Italian-American..... 1/2 Calabrese 1/2 Abbrusezze (a little Napoletano in there) http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif I'm a Dago, I live in Dago, and the Dago gang rides here as well (no offense to the MC club)

E si, sono pazzo puro! http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

Nico the Dago http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif


p.s. Dago is not derrogetory llike WOP... which means With Out Papers.... I know my Paisans would be way cool with me,... trust me.

[ponch]

I don't have to wish.


Old Italian saying:

"Ci sono due tipi di personne in questo mondo;

Quelle che sono vere Italiane, e quelle che lo volessero essere!!"

Ponch..... you mentioned you're 1/2 Italian...... I wouldn't call you a half-breed... that would be offensive....

My Italian friends & I address each other as Dago Guinea WOPS... all in fun.......... understood.

Kinda like Blacks saying "Waz up my Nigga" to each other..... it's the way it's said..... so don't get all up in arms...k?

So I agree with you...... a non-Italian calling an Italian a Dago in a negative or hostile manner is not ok.


As for San Diegans referring to themselves as "from Dago"... that is universally used here in San Diego........

The Hell's Angels Dago Chapter here has the "Dago Club House"
Many of them were/are Italian-Americans....

So long live the "Son's of Italy"


Ciao, Dago Nico


p.s. I bet your dad would love me..... my gramma was Napoletan and I can remeber her saying "yamma ninna" when it was time to come in.... I have cousins in Salerno (suburb of Naples) which I visited years ago......


http://www.ihrc.umn.edu/research/vitrage/all/ba/ihrc307.html
My grandpa.

Now by Blood pressure is up!! Thanks alot!!!

Go back and read my origianl post...... "Dago Wally World"... there are 3 million San Diegans here that refer to themselves as "from Dago"

This had nothing to do with Italians....... you crack me up... I just happened to be 100 friggin % Italian.. you had no idea!!!!!

And while you reply to this... go ahead and send an e-mail to the San Diego Red & White and tell them to cease and desist from calling themselves the "Dago Boys"!
.......... and use your real name..... not e-mail "hidden" and gender "undisclosed" like is in your profile!!!

The Roman Race once ruled the world.... and they will again!!!
(if I have anything to do with it) lol


Ahhhh.... I feel better.........

Ponch..... check Myspace....... I have my real name and office # and address there.... if you're ever in San Diego gimme a ring.....

I'll buy ya a beer.... or pour you a glass of "Dago Red"

Peace, out

Nico


... "Hell's Angel: The Life and Times of Sonny Barger and the Hell's Angels ... bodyguards -- Pete from the Dago chapter (San Diego) and Bobby from Cave Creek ...dir.salon.com/story/people/feature/2000/07/10/barger/index.html?pn=1

[blowndodge]

I took offense that you painted my nails red!! I happen to like green like my nomad! Green signifies Irish which I have no connection to. My girlfriend happens to be hispanic, my motorcycle is Japanese. I like to drink Bourbon Liqueur. My heritage is somewhere over the pond. I'm from planet earth. I'm human....glad to meet you....Bartender! another round for my human friends!!!

Thanx BD...... put it in perspective, brother..... I needed that!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

'The road less traveled'.........

[vulcanvixen]

I took offense that you painted my nails red!! I happen to like green like my nomad! Green signifies Irish which I have no connection to. My girlfriend happens to be hispanic, my motorcycle is Japanese. I like to drink Bourbon Liqueur. My heritage is somewhere over the pond. I'm from planet earth. I'm human....glad to meet you....Bartender! another round for my human friends!!!

Now BD....you know Nico painted your nails DAGO RED!!! Get it right please....... ;) ;) ;)

I thought men were from Mars and women were from Venus? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

I've been told I have a nice venus?????

[vulcanvixen]

I've been told I have a nice venus?????

That might be more information than I needed to know!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

[flightdoc]

TMI!!!!!!!

[blowndodge]

that's caus your mind be in da gudder!!!!

[blowndodge]

If woman are from Venus and I posted a picture of her here and some said she is nice looking, doesn't that mean I have a nice Venus???? Dirty minded people!

Speach impedement.......

[socwkbiker]

Actually BD, it might infer that you have a nice va.....well, you might want to change that statement...lol

[socwkbiker]

Nico, I read what was said last night. Relax my brotha. From someone who once lived in NJ (not by choice), I know how sensitive some of y'all Italians can get, but it's cool.

Personally, I understood you were making reference to your own and from a Italian/German/? it's all good.

Thanks SWB ..... it's that d*mn Dago temper......... I guess it's back to anger management~ lol

Confession: I haven't gone through anger management...... but I really liked the movie!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

f**k anger management. http://s2.images.proboards.com/angry.gif:(" title=">:(" border="0"/> lmao!

btw SWB, 4 of my kids are Italian/German 3 are Italian/Mexican 1 is Italian/English..... so diregard any 1/2 breed comments lol

And as soon as the last one turns 18......... i'm buying a new motorcycle....... or 2..... or 3 !

[socwkbiker]

I don't blame you! I would too. Damn bro, you tryin to populate the world by yourself? lol

ehhh....... stupidity....... but I love my kids...

[ponch]

You have to realize I am old school. Even though I am only 45, all my grandparents were born in the 19th century, and my dad is over 80. BTW, I understood your Italian perfectly.


Ponch..... you mentioned you're 1/2 Italian...... I wouldn't call you a half-breed... that would be offensive....

My Italian friends & I address each other as Dago Guinea WOPS... all in fun.......... understood.

Kinda like Blacks saying "Waz up my Nigga" to each other..... it's the way it's said..... so don't get all up in arms...k?

So I agree with you...... a non-Italian calling an Italian a Dago in a negative or hostile manner is not ok.


As for San Diegans referring to themselves as "from Dago"... that is universally used here in San Diego........

The Hell's Angels Dago Chapter here has the "Dago Club House"
Many of them were/are Italian-Americans....

So long live the "Son's of Italy"


Ciao, Dago Nico


p.s. I bet your dad would love me..... my gramma was Napoletan and I can remeber her saying "yamma ninna" when it was time to come in.... I have cousins in Salerno (suburb of Naples) which I visited years ago......


http://www.ihrc.umn.edu/research/vitrage/all/ba/ihrc307.html
My grandpa.

[ponch]

My mom was English, Irish, French and Native American. At least that is what I tell people when they ask how is an Italian 6'5... It's a hoot. Grandpa was only 5'1. I wish he could see me now. He'd have a laugh.


btw SWB, 4 of my kids are Italian/German 3 are Italian/Mexican 1 is Italian/English..... so diregard any 1/2 breed comments lol

And as soon as the last one turns 18......... i'm buying a new motorcycle....... or 2..... or 3 !

I'm old school too Ponch...... so from one Dago to another.....

Facciamo Pace.... va bene?? :-*

Nico

[socwkbiker]

Nico, I hope that Face Plant wasn't too painful. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[ponch]

Facciamo or sfaciamo? :)

lol Sono Sfacciato...... ma lo facciamo e sfacciamo pure....

You're making me think! lol

Bella Napoli!


PROUD TO BE AMERICAN..................
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