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TacomaJD
04-22-2019, 11:23 PM
Well, I'm at a crossroads so to speak.

Little history on myself to preface this discussion topic: I am 32 yrs old, grew up riding dirt, got into sportbikes, done trackdays, had a freak accident on interstate on a 2007 Kawi ZX10R on March 7th, 2010 and lost my left leg below the knee. Took nearly a year to recover, and to this day I cannot bend my knee past 90 degrees on the amputated side due to damage, so I'm stuck riding cruisers, which turned out to be okay afterall. So after I recovered and was ready to get back into riding, I went through 2 different Yamaha Road Star Warriors and then ended up with my current Nomad....

So....I have a 2006 Vulcan Nomad 1600 I bought around 4 years ago from the original owner. Got around 25k miles on it now, been an amazing bike. Zero problems out of it, aside from the V&H head pipe that is cracked currently that needs welded up before it's rode again. Well I got to wanting something newer, nicer, more powah!, etc....so I dropped some coin on a mint used 2014 Street Glide Special about a month ago. I'm finding out that I wasn't really missing anything with the "Harley Experience"....few weeks after I got it, freakin' saddlebag fell off going down the road, and that's when I found out the pins that hold the bags on were recalled and come out easily. That cost me some money to replace, as Harley refused to cover it.

I also just don't feel "comfortable" on the bike like I do the Nomad. Comfortable defined as everything just feels right when I am riding. I described my 2007 Kawasaki ZX10R sportbike the same way. Whether I was on the street or riding in advance class on the track, I felt 100% comfortable on it. I rode several other sportbikes over the years that my friends had and never rode any as comfortable as that ZX10R. Now I'm seeing the same thing happen relative to my Nomad 1600.

It doesn't have as much leg room as my Nomad (big factor there). The throttle is jerky, it feels awkward in the corners (and I like me some corners!), seat isn't as comfy, having a radio isn't really as cool as I thought it'd be, having difficulty finding a windshield that provides good wind protection that also looks cool, front rotors are warped and it only has 7800 miles which is odd but upon reading up on it seems to be common, and I read of so many things that tears up on them that I am paranoid waiting on the next expensive thing to fail on it.

It sounds so good! The power is nice! Although it handles a little different in the corners, it does feel more nimble than my Nomad. Looks awesome....but I have yet to feel like it's a keeper. That's a bad feeling having $16k tied up in something I'm not completely happy with.

I have been interested in the Vaqueros for quite some time, but opted for the Street Glide because in my mind I always viewed it as the premium top tier dream bike, etc. So now I'm seriously contemplating selling and buying one of two newer Kawi bikes. Not interested in the Voyager btw...

1.) 2017 Vaquero in that candy dark red color
2.) 2014 Nomad 1700 in that matte black/white color combo.

My thinking is I should get that "comfortable" feeling that the bike is everything that is right for me, that my previous Kawi's have been known for, and with a little extra style and power of a newer Kawi bagger.

One question I do have is this: I do not know as much about those two specific model bikes I listed as I do the 1600's. I know the older Nomads are bulletproof riding machines. Friend of mine's grandpa put over 100k on a 1500 Nomad and never replaced anything other than consumables. Is the 1700 platform the same? I seem to recall a Facebook friend really have a big problem with his transmission in his Voyager a year or so ago. Don't remember the specifics, but seems like Kawi was jerking him around on replacing it too, and he bought the bike new a couple years back. That's the same tranny in the Nomad and Vaquero isn't it? Are there any things to consider when buying either of the two? I am fairly mechanically inclined, just not sure what to look for / avoid. Any info will be appreciated, this thread may help convince me to post the Harley for sale. Lol

TacomaJD
04-22-2019, 11:27 PM
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TacomaJD
04-22-2019, 11:49 PM
Also the Harley rides terribly. Worst riding bike I have ever ridden...which is pathetic for a bike that costed around $26k new.

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recumbentbob
04-23-2019, 06:49 AM
Test ride them b4 you buy.
When Kawasaki went from the 1600 to the 1700 they redesigned the frame. They made it shorter, so it is going to feel a lot different than your 1600 Nomad. You may like it you may not.

redjay
04-23-2019, 07:50 AM
Find a Harley dealer that has the used Kawasaki you are looking for, then as recumbent Bob has stated go for a test ride.

You will get a decent price for the Harley and they will want to off load the 1700 Kawasaki.

With only 25,000 miles on your 2006 Nomad the other option would be to fix it and keep it.

TacomaJD
04-23-2019, 09:24 AM
Find a Harley dealer that has the used Kawasaki you are looking for, then as recumbent Bob has stated go for a test ride.

You will get a decent price for the Harley and they will want to off load the 1700 Kawasaki.

With only 25,000 miles on your 2006 Nomad the other option would be to fix it and keep it.
Oh I planned on keeping it regardless, it's not worth enough to justify selling at this point. Which makes me want a Vaquero over a newer Nomad. Plan is to use my Nomad as a work commuter and not worry if its gonna rain that day. It will become the dirty girl that just gets rode and less pampered. Then would like to have a nicer newer one for those long weekend rides or big group rides.

Good point on making them shorter, didn't realize that and leg room is important. My Nomad has plenty, was hoping Vaquero had the same. I def need to find one used and try it out. WOW Motorcycles near Atlanta GA is about 2-3 hrs away from my house. They have both used in stock. May just need to make the trip over one day and try them both out.

Looked at them all last night and really dig that 17 Vaquero. Would look good with a clean contrast cut 21 front wheel.

Truthfully I dig the Yamaha Eluder quite a bit, minus the fact that you have to adjust the valves in that engine. And the $23k price tag....lol

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recumbentbob
04-23-2019, 09:34 AM
I need a lot of leg room, I'm 6'5" with a 36" inseam.
When I decided to upgrade from a 2008 Nomad I tried a voyager, there was no way I could get comfortable on it, HD was too cramped then I tried a Victory and it is great.

Good luck in your search.

TacomaJD
04-23-2019, 09:49 AM
I need a lot of leg room, I'm 6'5" with a 36" inseam.
When I decided to upgrade from a 2008 Nomad I tried a voyager, there was no way I could get comfortable on it, HD was too cramped then I tried a Victory and it is great.

Good luck in your search.
Dang! I dig the Victorys too and knew they had the leg room, the style is just a little off from my preference. Although I almost bought a Cross Country 8Ball when they announced they were closing the line. A brand new one then was $13k or so. I may just need to look at those!

I really like the new 19 Indian Chieftains, but there again, I really dont want to put anymore cash plus what I have in this Harley to upgrade. Rather find one equal or lesser value.

This is why I checked here first. I really figured the newer 1700 line bikes would have same legroom as my nomad 1600. I am 6'1" with 34 inseam, but main factor is my leg on prosthetic side. The farther stretched out it is, the more better! Lol. I throw my leg over the shifter and catch it with my footshell to shift, so I cant run a crash bar/highway peg on that side, otherwise it wouldn't matter.

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DragonLady58
04-23-2019, 11:16 AM
OK, So your Harley Experience wasn't so good....Happens....its a acquired taste....
Do as Redjay said....Trade her in....The HDs do hold their value and you can get a good deal on a tradein....
The Vaquero I believe you'll be happy with....its extremely hard to get comfy on another bike once you have the 1500/1600 Nomads adjusted to ya....
The Vaquero Has a couple of things that will kinda annoy you at first. The throttle will tend to be a little jerky, and the engine will feel kinda off slightly. Oh, makes plenty of power, smooth, runs fine, it just kinda seems like it doesn't want to rev as freely as the 1500/1600s. Theres nothing wrong at all with the Vaquero, one of the best cruisers, right behind the 1500/1600 Nomads....
First thing you want to do is get it Ivanized. Bike will be peppier, more responsive, better gas mileage, smoother, nor more jerky throttle....
That, and just putting some miles on her, cause she won't start running really, really good till you hit between 17-20K on the clock. Those engines were designed to last a long time....I prefer the bikes with the lowering links. Though it doesn't really improve much, to me it makes the bike feel better. Sits you slightly lower. Takes away from the top heavyness....
And start making her yours....with all the fru-fru....
And Probably like 95% of the Vaquero owners, the more you ride it the more you'll love it....which is a good thing.

TacomaJD
04-23-2019, 11:42 AM
OK, So your Harley Experience wasn't so good....Happens....its a acquired taste....
Do as Redjay said....Trade her in....The HDs do hold their value and you can get a good deal on a tradein....
The Vaquero I believe you'll be happy with....its extremely hard to get comfy on another bike once you have the 1500/1600 Nomads adjusted to ya....
The Vaquero Has a couple of things that will kinda annoy you at first. The throttle will tend to be a little jerky, and the engine will feel kinda off slightly. Oh, makes plenty of power, smooth, runs fine, it just kinda seems like it doesn't want to rev as freely as the 1500/1600s. Theres nothing wrong at all with the Vaquero, one of the best cruisers, right behind the 1500/1600 Nomads....
First thing you want to do is get it Ivanized. Bike will be peppier, more responsive, better gas mileage, smoother, nor more jerky throttle....
That, and just putting some miles on her, cause she won't start running really, really good till you hit between 17-20K on the clock. Those engines were designed to last a long time....I prefer the bikes with the lowering links. Though it doesn't really improve much, to me it makes the bike feel better. Sits you slightly lower. Takes away from the top heavyness....
And start making her yours....with all the fru-fru....
And Probably like 95% of the Vaquero owners, the more you ride it the more you'll love it....which is a good thing.
I read up on the Ivans flash, that would be first thing I did to a Vaquero if I end up with one. I definitely want to test drive or at least sit on one now before buying. I should just sell the Harley and use that money for something smart, but I like variety LOL...I love my Nomad, just wanting something to be able to change it up every now and then. My research will continue.

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JD Hog
04-23-2019, 01:05 PM
Try this http://cycle-ergo.com/ for comparing the bikes. You can insert your own height and inseam for the different bikes to see the leg room.

mrt
04-23-2019, 02:01 PM
A different seat (Mustang, Corbin) on the Vaquero might set you back far enough for comfort too.

TacomaJD
04-23-2019, 02:37 PM
A different seat (Mustang, Corbin) on the Vaquero might set you back far enough for comfort too.
In my experience, most aftermarket seats, unless specifically made for long legged people, decrease leg room because of the added padding to make it more comfortable. I know there are seats like the Le Pera Daddy Long Legs for Harleys that are supposed to sit the driver back some, may be some options like that for the Vaquero, I haven't really looked. Next free day I have, I may ride the Harley over to WOW Motorcycles and see what they have to test ride (if they will let me). They usually keep a couple Vaqueros on hand.

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plumber63
04-23-2019, 05:57 PM
6'4" and 36"+ inseam. I have a 1600 nomad and a 1700 Voyager. I Have Russell Day-Long seats on both. I did the Chuckster Brake and Shift lever extensions on the Voyager. I have just as much Leg room on it as the nomad, Just more up than out. So there are things you can do to get more room.
The Harleys are a lot tighter in the drivers area the the 1700.
The 1700 Vaqureo and Voyager with the frame mounted fairing, handle lighter and smoother than the 1600.

TacomaJD
04-23-2019, 10:10 PM
Now I'm looking at the Honda CTX700 with DCT auto tranny and feet-forward pegs. Engine is a little on the weak side, but would probably handle well. And they are pretty cheap. 70mpg and super reliable too. I can't make my mind up, if I hit the lottery I would buy em all! Lol

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ponch
04-23-2019, 11:31 PM
You'd have to change the suspension on the SG to make it ride better. They have only 2" of rear suspension travel, which isn't enough really. Should be double that for sure. I had a 1600 Nomad and tried a voyager. The voyager isn't as roomy. If you want to keep costs down, the Kawasaki is the way to go. As far as longevity goes, Garry (GV550) put over 670K KM on his voyager.