Should All Bikers Carry A Weapon ?

Let me begin by saying that I am all for settling differences in a non violent manner, but in light of all the blatant crime going on ( stealing gas, stealing metals, etc.), the thought occurred to me of how vulnerable bikers are on the road, at gas stations, at shopping centers. Do you think we should be more vigilant, and take strong measures to protect ourselves, our property, and whoever we have on the back of the bike? Would carrying a weapon of some sort make you feel more secure? Are you being more careful in where you ride, park, and are you considering an alarm for your bike ?

[cactusjack]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Seriously - good point. I never go on the road without some means of self defense. You never know who you might come across at a gas station or rest stop. Around these parts, you find desperate, non-indigenous folks crossing the desert.

[rewindgy]

Good luck with that here in Canuck Land! Here the criminals have all of the rights and the honest people just have to shut the ___K up and grin an bear it!
I just don't ride down town where the Rubies and Bum's hang out! It just isn't worth having some goon knock you off you scooter and mug you! We got's problems with gangs of youth's swarming people on the streets at night and now even right out in the open! Thye don't care because here in Bleeding Heart Canada the youth can't be prosicuted and their names can't be given out because they are all special!

[mrfuni]

BF,
I agree with you that we all need to be more careful now. It seems when the economy slows and unemployment rises, crime goes up. Short of carrying a weapon, you should always be aware of your surroundings. Park in a well lighted area at night. When you travel, most hotels will let you park by the front entry where the all night clerk is within viewing of your bike. In other words, don't let yourself be a target and a victim.
Personally I have a concealed carry permit and I won't say when you meet me if I'm packing or not ;) . Not something I advertise. I will say that I keep a can of pepper spray in my fanny pack and always look over my shoulder.
Joe

[ponch]

No

[beezer]

I got rid of my handguns. I'm not going to jail for some hasty decision.

[blowndodge]

What's so hasty about survival?

[beezer]

What's so hasty about survival?

so what are you packin and how well do you think you'd fare in jail?

[markusmaximus]

Guns - no.
Nunchuckas - why not. I carry them in my car JIC. Of course it's been so long since I practiced with them, I'm more likely to hurt myself.

I have a concealed carry permit. I am always armed with a firearm, and some other types of self-defense items when I ride. I hate that it has come to that, as I used to never feel the need to 'carry.' After several unpleasant incidents over the past few years, I have changed my mind. Fortunately, I haven't had to use them, but I feel better knowing I have some protection, if needed.
People do things these days they never used to do. In the past, I never gave it a thought. I would ride in any part of any town, any time of day or night. I am far more cautious now, after several near-bad experiences. I always try to verbally diffuse potentially dangerous situations, and most of the time that works.

[Cajunrider]

bankerfrank, I see no reason why having a handgun in a saddlebag is a bad idea. I have several handguns and haven't packed one yet but I plan on starting especially on longer trips. A small camera case secured between the bars and windscreen would make more sense than in one of the saddlebags. You could be dead before getting the key in the door. Here in LA it isn't illegal to have a handgun concealed in your automobile. I will check with LSP to find out how far we can go on a bike without a concealed carry permit. I have all of the paperwork to get my permit but just haven't followed through yet. I had a Parish permit for Terrebonne but it was only good for 1 parish.

[cactusjack]

Good luck with that here in Canuck Land! Here the criminals have all of the rights and the honest people just have to shut the ___K up and grin an bear it!
I just don't ride down town where the Rubies and Bum's hang out! It just isn't worth having some goon knock you off you scooter and mug you! We got's problems with gangs of youth's swarming people on the streets at night and now even right out in the open! Thye don't care because here in Bleeding Heart Canada the youth can't be prosicuted and their names can't be given out because they are all special!

I've always thought our Canadian neighbors were more courteous and polite than their American counterparts. Maybe that just means the Canucks say "thank you" as they take your wallet, watch and cellphone.

[coloradontexas]

not everyone should carry. You should know your ability and make the decision after hard thought.

[Top Cat]

We have talked about this before.
You guys that are afraid you will end up in jail for using a weapon in a hasty manner ??? If you carry you better be level headed and know how to use the weapon. If you pull it you better be ready to take a life if necessary. Don't plan on just scaring someone.
That being said, if you think your life or the life of your passenger is at risk and you know it is you or them, I would rather it be them.
PS, if you are going to carry legally, it isn't much good in the saddlebag or in the windshield bag. If you get off the bike you have to pull the weapon out in plain sight to transfer it to your person or leave it on the bike unattended, not good.

[mrfuni]

+1 Top Cat !

Besides weapons, what other precautions do you take. Anybody have an alarm system on their bike ?

Normally I do not go to places where I feel the need to carry a weapon, and particularly not when I have a passenger with me.

But I used to go to some pretty low dives like The Bomb Shelter and The Moon Dog. They were the kind of places where people would screw with your bike if you didn't keep an eye on it, and they'd screw with you too if they though they could get away with it. I carried all the time in those days. Knives, zip guns, lead saps. At least a belt knife and a boot knife all the time. I don't do that sh!t any more.

That was over 30 years ago, but if things get worse I may start up again.

[ringadingh]

Good luck with that here in Canuck Land! Here the criminals have all of the rights and the honest people just have to shut the ___K up and grin an bear it!
I just don't ride down town where the Rubies and Bum's hang out! It just isn't worth having some goon knock you off you scooter and mug you! We got's problems with gangs of youth's swarming people on the streets at night and now even right out in the open! Thye don't care because here in Bleeding Heart Canada the youth can't be prosicuted and their names can't be given out because they are all special!

I've always thought our Canadian neighbors were more courteous and polite than their American counterparts. Maybe that just means the Canucks say "thank you" as they take your wallet, watch and cellphone.

rewindgy is right on, we can't protect ourseves without bearing the consequences of legal action, however I don't care about that, and it wouldn't stop me if need be.

...we can't protect ourselves without bearing the consequences of legal action...

Ummm...if you are physically attacked, you don't have the right to defend yourself with whatever comes to hand? If you are attacked by someone that intends you serious harm, what's the difference if you shoot him, hit him with a shovel, or smack him with a hockey stick?

[dantama]

I think I'm the minority here. I don't carry any weapons, not because I'm opposed to guns, I just don't see the world as that big of a threat, nor do I wish to see it that way.

I'm afraid that if I carried a gun around with me all the time in case I need to kill somebody, that on some level, life would be worse for me. I think that I'd naturally start seeing my environment as a more hostile place, a place where I might need to start killing folks.

I can't remember the last time I thought I better start killing folks, and I'm not going to start feeling that way on a daily basis for sure.

If I did feel that way, I'd move back to Tonga or something, rather than stay here and plan every day for who I might need to kill.

Normally I do not go to places where I feel the need to carry a weapon, and particularly not when I have a passenger with me.

But I used to go to some pretty low dives like The Bomb Shelter and The Moon Dog. They were the kind of places where people would screw with your bike if you didn't keep an eye on it, and they'd screw with you too if they though they could get away with it. I carried all the time in those days. Knives, zip guns, lead saps. At least a belt knife and a boot knife all the time. I don't do that sh!t any more.

That was over 30 years ago, but if things get worse I may start up again.

Damn, CQ ! I hope I don't ever make you mad.

I may have carried weapons, but I've never felt the need to kill anyone. Not once in my life. Rarely has there been violence, have I felt the need for violence, or have I even threatened violence. In 53 years I can count the times on one hand. If I choose to cary a pistol, it's not because I feel the need to kill.

Damn, CQ ! I hope I don't ever make you mad.

Nobody ever made me mad by accident. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Shooting someone for stealing your gas would go over like a fart in church here. In Utah you can only use a weapon to prevent a forcible felony. If you shot someone for stealing your gas you would be viewed as the aggressor and you would go to jail. Basically if someone is attacking you, burglarizing your house, or trying to get into your car (WHILE YOU ARE INSIDE OF IT) are the only justifiable reasons for using a weapon in Utah.

I think I'm the minority here. I don't carry any weapons, not because I'm opposed to guns, I just don't see the world as that big of a threat, nor do I wish to see it that way.

I'm afraid that if I carried a gun around with me all the time in case I need to kill somebody, that on some level, life would be worse for me. I think that I'd naturally start seeing my environment as a more hostile place, a place where I might need to start killing folks.

I can't remember the last time I thought I better start killing folks, and I'm not going to start feeling that way on a daily basis for sure.

If I did feel that way, I'd move back to Tonga or something, rather than stay here and plan every day for who I might need to kill.

I agree, Dan. I too would like to see the world as a safe place. I have never been confronted with a situation where my only alternative would be to take a life. I hope I never do, but I DO see our country becoming ever increasingly violent. I DO see an ever increasing feeling to be prepared to protect and defend myself. I certainly don't like it. I wish it were different. It's a decision I hope I never have to make, God willing. You are absolutely correct, Dan. When we get to the point we need to carry sidearms, it's time to live in an third world country.

Damn, CQ ! I hope I don't ever make you mad.

Nobody ever made me mad by accident. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

LOL Well put, my friend. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[ringadingh]

Cadd; If we shot someone we would be in more trouble than the crook, theres a kick on here to ban all handguns from legal owners and shut down the clubs and ranges. This is so the crooks have less guns to steal. Hows that for logic. However, as you said, a shovel or hockey stick can make you see things a little different if need be.

Shooting someone for stealing your gas would go over like a fart in church here. In Utah you can only use a weapon to prevent a forcible felony. If you shot someone for stealing your gas you would be viewed as the aggressor and you would go to jail. Basically if someone is attacking you, burglarizing your house, or trying to get into your car (WHILE YOU ARE INSIDE OF IT) are the only justifiable reasons for using a weapon in Utah.

Do you mean a firearm? Or any weapon?

Shooting someone for stealing your gas would go over like a fart in church here. In Utah you can only use a weapon to prevent a forcible felony. If you shot someone for stealing your gas you would be viewed as the aggressor and you would go to jail. Basically if someone is attacking you, burglarizing your house, or trying to get into your car (WHILE YOU ARE INSIDE OF IT) are the only justifiable reasons for using a weapon in Utah.

People in Utah don't fart in church ? How dull !! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I specifically meant "firearm" The word weapon is carry over terminology from time in the Marine Corps. However, I believe the word weapon still aplies if it is anything used intending to cause bodily harm or death.

[cactusjack]

There are a lot of people in AZ who carry. You see it all the time. Every ride I go on with my riding club, there's folks legally carrying in the group. I guess there's a combination of the old west mentality, and there is a lot of crime in certain areas around here. With our proximity to Mexico, there are a lot of transient people constantly moving through the state, some are very dangerous and have little to lose. It's their culture to settle things with guns. I see it on the news every day.

[pirate]

I don't carry any kind of protection with me on the bike, but times are really changing. Due to the oil boom we're having here, there are so many strangers around now that are working on the rigs.
Our town is tiny, only 1100 people, and up until a few months ago, no one even locked their doors at night. About a month ago, there was a huge street fight involving rig workers that were drinking in one of the bars. Stuff like that was unheard of before, but we are a lot more cautious now. You have to hope for the best, but expect the worst.

[mrbill69]

I don't carry with the thought that I might need to kill somebody, heaven forbid that it would ever happen. I simply refuse for me or my family to become a victim if I can be prepared to prevent it. There are too many people out there that don't put any value on mine or your lives.

[coacha]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif



Cactusjack, you owe me a new monitor and keyboard! I spit my Diet Coke and rum all over both of them.

Seriously, I have talked with our SRO at school about this exact thing and considered getting a concealed weapon permit but I think I will just carry some sort of blade with me. I know it isn't a good thing to take a knife to a gun fight but at least I'll have something.

[Top Cat]

I think I'm the minority here. I don't carry any weapons, not because I'm opposed to guns, I just don't see the world as that big of a threat, nor do I wish to see it that way.

I'm afraid that if I carried a gun around with me all the time in case I need to kill somebody, that on some level, life would be worse for me. I think that I'd naturally start seeing my environment as a more hostile place, a place where I might need to start killing folks.

I can't remember the last time I thought I better start killing folks, and I'm not going to start feeling that way on a daily basis for sure.

If I did feel that way, I'd move back to Tonga or something, rather than stay here and plan every day for who I might need to kill.

WTF Dan, You think people carry a weapon because they WANT to kill ???
After reading this post of yours I'm glad you don't carry http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif
The people I know who carry do so to protect themselves. They aren't out looking for someone to kill :-/ They haven't become ruthless thugs or bully's trying to provoke a fight so they can use their weapon ::) They don't hope they can kill someone, they hope they never have to use it. But if they are faced with a life or death situation they are prepared to DEFEND themselves.
The people I know who carry don't even think about the weapon being there, it is there if they NEED it but up to that point it is just there. Not something that is in their every thought.
As I said I'm glad you don't carry but I hope if the situation arises and you , or someone you love needs protection, there is a person who does carry and is willing to help you out. God help the people who think the police will respond in time to save their life.

[lw]

Just as it is true that some folks should not reproduce, not everyone needs to go round packin' heat. For those who choose to do so, I sincerely hope you never have cause to need your weapon.

I took the CHL class a couple months back, but have not yet filed for the license. Still trying reconcile the hassle and expense to maintain the license against the need for personal protection.

I do believe that a locked saddlebag is no place for a weapon if you are relying on it for protection. The incident where you might need it will be over with before you can produce it. Should I choose to carry, it will be on my person.

[scott2007nomad]

yes, maybe, yes but not the alarm

[racinchef]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Seriously - good point. I never go on the road without some means of self defense. You never know who you might come across at a gas station or rest stop. Around these parts, you find desperate, non-indigenous folks crossing the desert.
Geez CJ! Did your parents lock you in the closet and all you had to entertain yourself was a dictionary and a slit of reading light?

[racinchef]

...we can't protect ourselves without bearing the consequences of legal action...

Ummm...if you are physically attacked, you don't have the right to defend yourself with whatever comes to hand? If you are attacked by someone that intends you serious harm, what's the difference if you shoot him, hit him with a shovel, or smack him with a hockey stick?

CQ is right, if attacked in Canada and you kill the aggressor, just dress him in a Pittsburgh Penguins uniform and tell the authorities that it was just a friendly hockey game that got a little out of hand

Personally, I hear too many times where someone got shot or stabbed with their own weapon by the aggressor that got it away from them. If I did carry it would be something that didn't appear to be a weapon until I had already used it, like a cane or umbrella gun for example.
At work my delivery truck fully loaded has a cargo worth about $13,000. There is speculation amongst the drivers whether someone would try to hijack us. I have resorted to locking my truck when I stop for coffee or if I am delivering in a busy area and the truck out of sight.

[misunderstood]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Seriously - good point. I never go on the road without some means of self defense. You never know who you might come across at a gas station or rest stop. Around these parts, you find desperate, non-indigenous folks crossing the desert.
Geez CJ! Did your parents lock you in the closet and all you had to entertain yourself was a dictionary and a slit of reading light?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z202/davenpam324/various/laughing021.gif

[unwind2]

Just as it is true that some folks should not reproduce, not everyone needs to go round packin' heat. For those who choose to do so, I sincerely hope you never have cause to need your weapon.


Exactly what I was going to say. Look around the world and you can see not everyone capable of reproducing should do so.

There has been a couple of times that my bike broke down (not the Nomad ;)) and my hubbie had to leave me to go on his bike for part or whatever cause we did not want to leave the bike on the highway all alone and he was on a bike that I was vertically challenged to drive. He feels a lot better leaving me knowing I have some form of protection. As someone else said I don't go around advertising if I have a handgun with me or not - you'll never know but it's there if ever needed. It's not something you would use in every situation - but if it's my life (or being raped)...

I have taken more than just the required CCW class....I think if you are going to carry you need to be very familiar and comfortable with the gun, able to handle it, know how it works inside and out (I can disassemble and reassemble my handgun).....not just take one class for a permit..unless you are already familiar with guns.

Also I know after I started riding motorcycles and taking MSF class that I became a more aware alert driver in the automobile. After taking additional weapon classes (they cover things like what to watch for - red flag behavior etc) I am a more alert person when out - ie aware of who is around me, who is walking behind me etc....

But just as some folks will go out buy a bike, never rode much, maybe not even a motorcycle endorsement get on the thing take off and wreck in a few days....folks will do the same with a handgun, buy a gun, get the permit, never practice with it, never get familiar with it, not store it properly in their home etc....Just my .02 cents worth.

[cactusjack]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Seriously - good point. I never go on the road without some means of self defense. You never know who you might come across at a gas station or rest stop. Around these parts, you find desperate, non-indigenous folks crossing the desert.
Geez CJ! Did your parents lock you in the closet and all you had to entertain yourself was a dictionary and a slit of reading light?

Seriously, when I was in grade school I used to read the World Book Encyclopedia in my spare time. I read all 24 or 25 volumes cover to cover in 5th grade.

[watchman]

I am a firm beliver of the following:

As John Steinbeck once said:

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.



2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.



3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.



4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.



5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a .46.'



6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.



7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'



8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!! But wait, there's more! I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said, of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!' She then asked, 'Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?' My reply was, 'No not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too.' To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.



I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

[jussmatt]

I had several comments that I wanted to make....and just erased them.... I came back to this thread only to find out that Watchman just said it better than I ever could!!!

I don't go looking for trouble...but you can bet your ass I'll be prepared if it finds me!!!!

[dantama]

[quote="Dan Lund":umvm9kit]I think I'm the minority here. I don't carry any weapons, not because I'm opposed to guns, I just don't see the world as that big of a threat, nor do I wish to see it that way.

I'm afraid that if I carried a gun around with me all the time in case I need to kill somebody, that on some level, life would be worse for me. I think that I'd naturally start seeing my environment as a more hostile place, a place where I might need to start killing folks.

I can't remember the last time I thought I better start killing folks, and I'm not going to start feeling that way on a daily basis for sure.

If I did feel that way, I'd move back to Tonga or something, rather than stay here and plan every day for who I might need to kill.

WTF Dan, You think people carry a weapon because they WANT to kill ???

They don't hope they can kill someone



As I said I'm glad you don't carry but I hope if the situation arises and you , or someone you love needs protection, there is a person who does carry and is willing to help you out.

[/quote:umvm9kit]

Wow TC, I know that you are at times prone to fanaticism (helmets) and this seems to be one of your areas.

You twisted my words to say that I think people packing want to, and hope to kill. I never said that at all, and it appears you twisted my words to make your response seem reasonable.

I purposely wrote my response in common language, not patriot style talk.
But I used the words,

"Need to"
"Better start"
And "Need to" again

You switched my words to try and make it fit your loaded response. You changed me words, and attributed them to me, using:

"Want to"
and "hope they can"

You very unfairly switched my words from "need to" and switched them to "want to". It seems that you had an agenda, and my own words didn't give you enough cause to take up the mantle and defend the cause, so you changed my words.

Then to make it more ironic, when you were giving your own thoughts on the subject, you used to word "willing to". I suppose that is splitting the difference between what I said, and what you claimed I said.

I wasn't trying to make a political statement; I was giving my thoughts on why I choose not to see the world as so hostile that I need to carry a gun everywhere I go, in case I NEED to kill somebody.

Please play fair, and even if it is a cause that you are fanatical about, don't mischaracterize what people say.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to not carry; I was just giving my own personal thoughts. If you want to carry, I'm fine with that. I won't even try to twist your words.

[Cajunrider]

Our world contains many rotten slimeballs that will kill you for no reason. I am certain of that living 60 miles from New Orleans. Just ask Houstonians how they feel about the Katrina refugees they adopted out of their generosity. After a couple of months they were ready to put them all on a ship and send them on a one way trip back across the Atlantic. I have never packed my Glock planning on shooting someone but if it comes to "him or me", hopefully I'll have the mental and physical capacity to make it "him". You don't have to go to low places to get acosted. Just breaking down on the side of the highway is enough to get robbed and murdered down here.

[jussmatt]

Our world contains many rotten slimeballs that will kill you for no reason. I am certain of that living 60 miles from New Orleans. Just ask Houstonians how they feel about the Katrina refugees they adopted out of their generosity. After a couple of months they were ready to put them all on a ship and send them on a one way trip back across the Atlantic. I have never packed my Glock planning on shooting someone but if it comes to "him or me", hopefully I'll have the mental and physical capacity to make it "him". You don't have to go to low places to get acosted. Just breaking down on the side of the highway is enough to get robbed and murdered down here.

Very True words there TB!!! Crime & Violence rose significantly after the Katrina "Refugees" (if you want to call them that) settled in! It's not just a "big city" problem any more....as criminals are branching out into the "burbs" now because they're easier targets and more of them out there!! I'm from the country where you can leave your doors unlocked and windows opened..all day rather your home or not..... but you can't do that anymore!!! Now it's hoping your vehicle is in one piece in your driveway when you come out in the morning.... or there at all!!!!

[blowndodge]

Boys!!!!

Carry if you must. Don't carry if its better for you. Judge neither side as wrong. Its right for that person to choose to carry or not.

[cactusjack]

Boys!!!!

Carry if you must. Don't carry if its better for you. Judge neither side as wrong. Its right for that person to choose to carry or not.

Looks like the philosophical BD showed up today! :)

[blowndodge]

As it gets closer to 6/18 I get in a better mood??? Seriously, I don't argue with antigun advocates anymore. Don't really care to hear their opinions no more than they want to hear mine. I've heard all sides and have made my choice. Hopefully others will follow..

[cactusjack]

As it gets closer to 6/18 I get in a better mood??? Seriously, I don't argue with antigun advocates anymore. Don't really care to hear their opinions no more than they want to hear mine. I've heard all sides and have made my choice. Hopefully others will follow..

I figured you must be back on your meds? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

I refuse to allow you to diminish my happy feet feeling about next week Scott thank you very much!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif ;)

[scion0]

Frank, I agree with you 100%. This is why I always carry my bow and a quiver of arrows when on the road. I found trying to tow my trebuchet behind the bike was costing me valuable miles per gallon. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Seriously - good point. I never go on the road without some means of self defense. You never know who you might come across at a gas station or rest stop. Around these parts, you find desperate, non-indigenous folks crossing the desert.

Mace? ::) "Small Tire Checker" ??? Curious as what could be carried and considered legal... ::) ??? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif ;)

[cactusjack]

I refuse to allow you to diminish my happy feet feeling about next week Scott thank you very much!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif ;)

Repeat after me..."I refuse to be a victim". When this becomes your mantra, you will achieve success.

[scion0]

BF,
. . .
Personally I have a concealed carry permit and I won't say when you meet me if I'm packing or not ;) . Not something I advertise. I will say that I keep a can of pepper spray in my fanny pack and always look over my shoulder.
Joe

I can get a concealed carry permit, just can't use it in Illinois. http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[scion0]

Normally I do not go to places where I feel the need to carry a weapon, and particularly not when I have a passenger with me.

But I used to go to some pretty low dives like The Bomb Shelter and The Moon Dog. They were the kind of places where people would screw with your bike if you didn't keep an eye on it, and they'd screw with you too if they though they could get away with it. I carried all the time in those days. Knives, zip guns, lead saps. At least a belt knife and a boot knife all the time. I don't do that sh!t any more.

That was over 30 years ago, but if things get worse I may start up again.

Damn, CQ ! I hope I don't ever make you mad.

Ditto!

[Cajunrider]

Our world contains many rotten slimeballs that will kill you for no reason. I am certain of that living 60 miles from New Orleans. Just ask Houstonians how they feel about the Katrina refugees they adopted out of their generosity. After a couple of months they were ready to put them all on a ship and send them on a one way trip back across the Atlantic. I have never packed my Glock planning on shooting someone but if it comes to "him or me", hopefully I'll have the mental and physical capacity to make it "him". You don't have to go to low places to get acosted. Just breaking down on the side of the highway is enough to get robbed and murdered down here.

Very True words there TB!!! Crime & Violence rose significantly after the Katrina "Refugees" (if you want to call them that) settled in! It's not just a "big city" problem any more....as criminals are branching out into the "burbs" now because they're easier targets and more of them out there!! I'm from the country where you can leave your doors unlocked and windows opened..all day rather your home or not..... but you can't do that anymore!!! Now it's hoping your vehicle is in one piece in your driveway when you come out in the morning.... or there at all!!!!


Matt, Sorry for slipping up and calling them "refugees". There were some that deserved that title as I had many friends from St. Bernard Parish who were relocated temporarily in various parts of Texas, Mississippi, and Alabama. These guys and their families were legitimate people in need who lost everything but the shirt on their back. But you know what, it wasn't long before they were helping themselves and were back home in short order. The ones I'm talking about are the same ones that turned the Louisiana Superdome into the biggest outhouse ever. The cleanup crews had to don bio suits with respirators just to get inside. There was sh$t smeared on the walls, ceilings, and anywhere that would hold it. Even most animals will go out of the way to take a dump. These were lower than that and purposely destroyed a beautiful stadium in just a couple of days. That is the class that are still in other cities living off of someone's generosity. I'm still ashamed or afraid to say that I'm from Louisiana when I travel. Those that I described are the ones that if you meet up with them, you'd better be packing something. I just jumped off of my soapbox. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[jussmatt]

TB...I understand fully what you are saying!!! There is a definite deference between a "victim" and a "leech"!!! We both know the difference and where it applies!! Don't be shamed to be from Louisiana because of the "leeches".... LA is a very unique place full of some of the best people you'll ever want to meet!! But like a lot of places in the US...there are a LOT of "leeches" who will suck the place dry if given half the chance!!!

(And I'm not sorry if I offend anybody.... my view is that you're only offended if your guilty...and if that's the case, you're the one who should feel ashamed for being a leech!!)

[beezer]

[quote="Top Cat (TC) ":h805pewl]

WTF Dan, You think people carry a weapon because they WANT to kill ???

They don't hope they can kill someone



As I said I'm glad you don't carry but I hope if the situation arises and you , or someone you love needs protection, there is a person who does carry and is willing to help you out.



Wow TC, I know that you are at times prone to fanaticism (helmets) and this seems to be one of your areas.

You twisted my words to say that I think people packing want to, and hope to kill. I never said that at all, and it appears you twisted my words to make your response seem reasonable.

I purposely wrote my response in common language, not patriot style talk.
But I used the words,

"Need to"
"Better start"
And "Need to" again

You switched my words to try and make it fit your loaded response. You changed me words, and attributed them to me, using:

"Want to"
and "hope they can"

You very unfairly switched my words from "need to" and switched them to "want to". It seems that you had an agenda, and my own words didn't give you enough cause to take up the mantle and defend the cause, so you changed my words.

Then to make it more ironic, when you were giving your own thoughts on the subject, you used to word "willing to". I suppose that is splitting the difference between what I said, and what you claimed I said.

I wasn't trying to make a political statement; I was giving my thoughts on why I choose not to see the world as so hostile that I need to carry a gun everywhere I go, in case I NEED to kill somebody.

Please play fair, and even if it is a cause that you are fanatical about, don't mischaracterize what people say.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to not carry; I was just giving my own personal thoughts. If you want to carry, I'm fine with that. I won't even try to twist your words.

[/quote:h805pewl]


Ahhh go ahead. You do it to me but then again so does TC. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[Top Cat]

First, BD if you don't speak up for what you believe in, even if others don't want to hear it, your beliefs will Disappear the opposition will have their way.
Second, the law abiding citizens after Katrina were at risk as the Mayor told the police to confiscate all the firearms.
So who do you think had guns ???

[blowndodge]

I see bad people??

I know what your saying TC but it's always the same argument, like abortion. I'm against it. I'm pro gun ownership. I haven't heard a different and new argument in the gun control issue for years.

I did however have a fairly new one on abortion.

Conservative att's are coming up with a legal argument.

That would be if a man has no right to force a women to carry to full term a pregnancy regardless of the fact that he wants the child and he will raise the child.

Since; however, the SC has ruled that it's a woman's body issue, then the argument making it's way through the court system at the moment is that a man is never presumed responsible for child support.

The argument will be that he was denied due process in the determination of the direction of the pregnancy due to Supreme Court precedent on Rowe V Wade excluding a man's right. That will constitutionally indemnify him for all legal responsibility. That language is in the Constitution

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do to protect his rights.

[flavor]

I'm pro gun. When is someone going to know that you are carrying? Only after it's pulled to defend yourself. Whether it's legal (carry permit), or not, you have the right to defend yourself.

On another note, the American Medical Association published an article a number of years ago about whether it was a good idea to have a gun in your house to defend yourself. In that article it concluded since so many people get shot with their guns self examination into ones self should take place. That self examination is, would you hesitate to shoot someone if you felt threatened. If you have a doubt, don't have a gun. Though no one really knows if they'll hestate if the circumstance arrises, looking into yourself and being honest is the best one can do.

[phenrichs]

I have seen mention several times here of riders that have a conceal carry permit. Let me tell you the about my neighborhood. In South Dakota it is illegal to carry on a motorcycle even if you have a conceal carry permit. I have friends that are members of varying groups that have tried repeatedly to get it changed with no result. I guess we better all learn Karate before heading out for Sturgis.

In the mean time my 4 D cell Maglite is always along for the ride.

...I did however have a fairly new one on abortion.... .

OK, now you've gone completely sideways.

BD, you should just give that one its own thread.

[namvet]

Let me first state that I am a retired police officer, spending half of my adult life in police work, then the next half as a over the road trucker. I have always carried, anytime, everywhere, with a permit and without, even to church. You would never know that I carry,as I never show or hint or play with the weapon. The weapon has also kept me from trouble many times, cause I know I have it on me and therefore can't get stupid or I would go to jail. The weapon is only to be brought out in a life or death situation, not to call a bluff on some dill weed. The best place for the weapon is on your person, small and concealed. This type of weapon is only for defense. I prefer a 22 cal or 38 cal derringer or a 380 small auto, because of them being very flat and can be hidden most anywhere. If I have to get in a firefight, I then have to get back to my vehicle to get the 9mil...lol

I've been waiting for some good reviews on a .327 mag semi-auto. Anybody shot one yet?

<EDIT: somehow I typed 32 instead of 327>

[flavor]

I haven't seen a review on the semi, but the round is a great round.

I have a single action 22 mag revolver with a 1" barrel. Since most shooting have an average distance of 7 feet (believe it or not), The bullet can come out of the barrel sideways, make a "U" turn and still hit the target.

Definitely not a pistol for a fire fight but it'll fit in your front pocket
without bringing attention to yourself.

[beezer]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e54/1beezer/pyzamdeadhotdog.jpg

[racinchef]

Geez CJ! Did your parents lock you in the closet and all you had to entertain yourself was a dictionary and a slit of reading light?

Seriously, when I was in grade school I used to read the World Book Encyclopedia in my spare time. I read all 24 or 25 volumes cover to cover in 5th grade.
Remind me not to play Jeopardy against you.

[cactusjack]

Seriously, when I was in grade school I used to read the World Book Encyclopedia in my spare time. I read all 24 or 25 volumes cover to cover in 5th grade.
Remind me not to play Jeopardy against you.

I'm also good at Trivial Pursuit http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[mrfuni]

If you are going to carry, it better be on your person or in your fanny pack. It doesn't do any good in your saddle bag or anywhere else when it is not accessible at a moments notice.

Like Namvet said, "the weapon is only brought out in a life and death situation..."

As always, common sense rules...

Joe

[mncruiser]

I carried all the time in those days. Knives, zip guns, lead saps. At least a belt knife and a boot knife all the time. I don't do that sh!t any more.

Ok, whatsa lead sap? I'm sure it's something I should never turn my back on when you are holding it right? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

...I did however have a fairly new one on abortion.... .

OK, now you've gone completely sideways.

BD, you should just give that one its own thread.

<marquee>Sorry, I have Mesquite on the brain syndrome</marquee>

[Top Cat]

Dan, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your words, or totally changed them as you say ;)
My response was to what I thought you were saying by the way I interpreted your words.
You are right I am very opinionated ( fanatical? ) about gun control, helmet usage, loud pipes and anyone messing with people I love http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif
Again, sorry if I offended you, Tim

namvet, first, thank you for your service to this country. On your choice of weapon for self defense, Kel-Tek makes a very concealable 9mm DAO pistol.

Now Beezer, when have I ever twisted your words http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif

I had to modify my post as i forgot to include loud pipes as something else I am opininated about http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I carried all the time in those days. Knives, zip guns, lead saps. At least a belt knife and a boot knife all the time. I don't do that sh!t any more.

Ok, whatsa lead sap? I'm sure it's something I should never turn my back on when you are holding it right? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Commonly known as a blackjack, It's a leather sock filled with lead shot, but there's lots of types.

http://www.donrearic.com/sap.html

[cactusjack]

Ok, whatsa lead sap? I'm sure it's something I should never turn my back on when you are holding it right? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Commonly known as a blackjack, It's a leather sock filled with lead shot, but there's lots of types.

http://www.donrearic.com/sap.html

When someone messes with me, I'll jack 'em with a sock full of pennies. Same principle.

BTW, the blackjack or sap, while extremely easy to make, is probably illegal to carry in all 50 states these days. Just an FYI

[lw]

Silence is Acceptance. Make some NOISE!


. . . if you don't speak up for what you believe in, even if others don't want to hear it, your beliefs will Disappear the opposition will have their way. . .

[dantama]

Dan, I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your words, or totally changed them as you say ;)
My response was to what I thought you were saying by the way I interpreted your words.
You are right I am very opinionated ( fanatical? ) about gun control, helmet usage and anyone messing with people I love http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif
Again, sorry if I offended you, Tim



No worries, thanks for the reply :)

[macmac]

I carry 24/7, and that little gun is a NorthAmerican Arms .22/.22 mag, and that is just here at home, where I also work most of the time. And when I leave this woodsie place I also carry a Kimber .45.

Never leave home with out both. Now I tend to stay at home, and in rural NH in the woods 1/2 mile from the main road.

Before I bought the 22 as a back up gun I carrued one .45 or another ALL the time. It was a problem working on cars, bikes and the like, so I would have to remove it to lay under something or reach across a open truck hood, so as to not scratch the paint.

So the NAA mini works great in a holster in my pocket.

I got this way long ago, and there is no use telling me criminals don't turn up in the boonies.

I don't give a rat's ass about other state laws either, so far as I am concerned the Delcaration of Independance, the CONS, and the Bill of Rights give me the right and anywhere, and if that ain't good enough I still got permission from God. Anything less is "Infringment".

I rode 40 states in 05 into 06 and carried that kimber every place I went, and it wasn't exactly a secret, since I had invites across the country.

But with me it isn't just riding, I am armed in the shower.

I don't have a bad temper, but I will be damed if some mug will come harm my wife and or me anytime.

I already shot one bad guy the so called system didn't want to deal with, and I didn't even get a free ride down town!

I called the cops 4 times in all but the last call I wasn't calling for help anymore. When they got that guy whoo was only wounded, it turned out he was wanted for 6 outstanding bench warrentds, and had done long amounts of time for violent and drug related crimes.

The location was Bartlett NH, which is a pretty rual place. I was smoking mad when I found out I had been calling for help, and none was going to be forth coming, and on the 3rd call I told the cops I was armed and willing to use it.. Still no help.

I was even more pissed off when I found the guy was wanted! Had I been what so called modern society would want, my now x might have been raped and murdered, my infant son at that time might have been killed and me too....

Either you arm up and show you want to use 'Your Right's" or we all loose them.

They can take my arms from my cold dead fingers.

Unless I told you, you would never know I was armed. Open carry is legal, but frowned upon these days... Ok...

No one has to guess which days I am armed, but they might 'play' what with.

My hope is that no one ever wishes they had been armed, but found out too late.

I know what the law says about being armed and I also know what states like Mass are like where I am not legal, but that's just too bad for Mass, NY and Md where I frequently go.

Well, I guess I got my answer, and then some !! I have to agree with you guys. I believe we all need to carry something for protection. Thefts, assaults, home invasions, murders, are going to become very prevalent as this economy tanks, and prices soar. We have NO leadership in this country with any foresight or solutions to end this problem. Politicians only care about themselves, not us.I hope I am very, very wrong, but I see us having to protect ourselves to a much greater degree. We all know how much more vulnerable we are on bikes. Not only in traffic, but as victims of crime. All I can say is be safe, stay alert, and protect yourself.

Actually, I am going to hire the CaddmanQ Protection Agency to follow me around, and watch my back. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[macmac]

Bankerfrank, One more thing that pissed me off, was the first time I called for help the cops told me... " We are not personal body guards!" I said whats is the meaning then of "To serve and Protect'? I didn't get any answer.

You can Bank on there will be thugs aplenty in these coming 'trying' times, and maybe if you say Help I have a lot of money the cops just might get around to it.

After my experience then I have never called the cops since for a thing. Since then several fellows have recieved the wrong end of either a side by side 12 Ga, or the .45 (one of them) at my door steps. I used to live dead center in the middle of a ringdike, called the Ossipee's, where on a good day in the dead of winter which travel was fastest with a SUV one coiuld drive 6 miles in 20 minutes..

I never thought the cops were not busy elsewhere, and so why should I bother them with my trivial business.

I had a hook from hell show up who wanted to use my phone because I wouldn't give him keys to a logging comapny road which was a dead end in the first place!

The kook was driving a Ford Escort, and I do a little hiking, and so I knew not even a Skidder could use the old road with out a D-8 dozer ahead of it. I didn't shoot the kook, but convinced him he would need to find another phone. I never worked for that logging company either...

My take was the kook just wanted to get inside my home.

One more point. In 95 I remarried to another gal of course. At that time being a Buck Skinner, which I still am, we decided to marry in a 'camp' so I had set up a tee pee, a wall tent, and other variuose shelter for out Buck Skinner freinds... This to was dead center in the ringdike, and by White Brook.

Several days before the wedding 3 bigger than me men came on the run, and my to be Bride saw them. She handed me my Remington Rand, which I rudly shoved in my backside belt, as I opened the door.

These guys as it tuned out were Native Americans, and all they wanted was to get permission to go see the lodges.. One of them and I are good friends today and we laff about that first meeting. Of course at the time none of them knew I was armed.

And of course they were given permission to go see, and even come to the wedding if they wanted..

[tomk]

Let me begin by saying that I am all for settling differences in a non violent manner, but in light of all the blatant crime going on ( stealing gas, stealing metals, etc.), the thought occurred to me of how vulnerable bikers are on the road, at gas stations, at shopping centers. Do you think we should be more vigilant, and take strong measures to protect ourselves, our property, and whoever we have on the back of the bike? Would carrying a weapon of some sort make you feel more secure? Are you being more careful in where you ride, park, and are you considering an alarm for your bike ?

Yes, absolutely, with whatever you feel comfortable and proficient with.

Actually, I am going to hire the CaddmanQ Protection Agency to follow me around, and watch my back. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Buddy, you gotta go back and read my posts again. That was 30 years ago!

I still own weapons, but rarely do I carry, and I haven't had the need in 3 decades.

Still, they say the times are changing...

Actually, I am going to hire the CaddmanQ Protection Agency to follow me around, and watch my back. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Buddy, you gotta go back and read my posts again. That was 30 years ago!

I still own weapons, but rarely do I carry, and I haven't had the need in 3 decades.

Still, they say the times are changing...

I'll bet you still have a little of that piss and vinegar left in ya, CQ. You're right. The times ARE changing. Ya might want to dust off the ole sling shot. No tellin when you might need it. :)

[ruruson1]

I'm weighing in late on the subject but after 4 years in the Army and 4 years in law enforcement I am a firm believer in the right to own and carry guns. I also am of the belief that crime is going to get worse and the police can't be everywhere at once. I have a open field behind my house and shot atleast once a week. My wife and oldest daughter shot also. If it ever came down to me being forced to take another persons life to defend my life or the life of a friend or family member I would not give it much thought. As far as repercussions from anti-gun activists or going to jail....well...I guess as long as my family is still safe then I did my job as a husband and father.
So to answer your question. Do what you feel is right for you and ONLY you can make that choice. I have made my choice to have a firearm on me at all times and use it as a last resort to defend my life. Property can be replaced so take the car, bike, money, what ever, just go on and leave me, my family and friends alone.
On another note My wife, kids and I also study martial arts and have for several years. I reccomend this for anyone reguargless of your choice to carry. It is a great way to stay in shape, spend time with your family, and keeps your kids off the damn video games. I find it fun and relaxing and I get to spend time with my kids.
Ok now I'll get off my soap box.

[dui546]

I am certain that Wolfman can tell y'all that we've beat this horse to death in a previous post. in fact, back then it was dug up and beat even more. AND...once again, here we go with another beating. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

YOU'VE heard my opinion on the subject. I WILL ADD that carrying a handgun is the most deadly decision you can make in life. Someone in a prior post was correct when writing that 'carrying it and/or displaying it shows that YOU mean business' (or words to that effect). Carrying it with any other thought in mind could be your last thought.

For those who are 'big' talkers about carrying a handgun; your talk is cheap if you've never had to pull a trigger or never watched a man die at the receiving end of a bullet. I will tell you that the moment will define you and you will relive the event many times throughout your life.

I know for a fact that there is at least one (maybe several) in this forum (of prior military and the like) who carry this dreaded life experience and understand this to be true.

I don't carry 24/7 and I am never in fear of not having a gun with me. Simply put, there are times that I simply don't want to make a choice about being involved. (such as when I am with my grandson) -- truth be told, WE DO NOT LIVE IN A MOVIE SET WORLD folks. AND...if you do, move.

Knowledge is power. Where you go, how you conduct yourself, and how you chose to enter into a situation will dictate if you are being considered as a soft or easy target.

When it comes to carrying, consider this; Off duty or plain clothes cops have been killed by on duty and other off duty cops in a chaotic situation. Officers know the responsibility and the law. More importantly, they also know the criminal charges that are applicable to them when they choose to get involved.

Carrying a handgun is about choices. Not the choice of how, why, or where to carry it, -- yes, I recognize that these decisions are EXCITING to some. BUT, it's the choice you'll have to make of "taking a life"in minute fractions of a second when you have the gun in your hands and all the trigger play is collapsed.

[dantama]

Dui, I so agree with what you said.

I'm glad you said it.

The closest I've come to thinking I was going to be shot was from one of the people that you alluded to.

I was a carpenter and we started an addition on a home while the owner was not there. We set off a burglar alarm while doing our work, and I headed to the front yard to warn anyone who may be alarmed about it.

As I was heading to the front I was met by a drunk man with a gun who unsteadily aimed it right at my head and told me that if I moved he was going to blow my head off.

I thought that I was certainly going to die, getting a bullet in the head for starting a job without the alarm turned off.

I was later told by the home owner that the guy was a retired cop who was disappointed that he never got to shoot anyone. He was still looking for a chance, and I was almost it.

We did have fun it has expense throughout the job. When I'd be on the roof and he'd go out into his backyard, I'd loudly announce that "Bang Bang" or "Ratatat" was out, watch out everyone!

[poppy]

[quote="Dan Lund":gfc62y2w]I think I'm the minority here. I don't carry any weapons, not because I'm opposed to guns, I just don't see the world as that big of a threat, nor do I wish to see it that way.

I'm afraid that if I carried a gun around with me all the time in case I need to kill somebody, that on some level, life would be worse for me. I think that I'd naturally start seeing my environment as a more hostile place, a place where I might need to start killing folks.

I can't remember the last time I thought I better start killing folks, and I'm not going to start feeling that way on a daily basis for sure.

If I did feel that way, I'd move back to Tonga or something, rather than stay here and plan every day for who I might need to kill.

WTF Dan, You think people carry a weapon because they WANT to kill ???
After reading this post of yours I'm glad you don't carry http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif
The people I know who carry do so to protect themselves. They aren't out looking for someone to kill :-/ They haven't become ruthless thugs or bully's trying to provoke a fight so they can use their weapon ::) They don't hope they can kill someone, they hope they never have to use it. But if they are faced with a life or death situation they are prepared to DEFEND themselves.
The people I know who carry don't even think about the weapon being there, it is there if they NEED it but up to that point it is just there. Not something that is in their every thought.
As I said I'm glad you don't carry but I hope if the situation arises and you , or someone you love needs protection, there is a person who does carry and is willing to help you out. God help the people who think the police will respond in time to save their life.

[/quote:gfc62y2w]

I think the last sentence says it all. People do need to take responsibility for their own safety. The LEOs just can't respond instantly to protect everybody. The LEOs I know would love to be able to but they just don't have the manpower or resources.......

[dantama]

As I said I'm glad you don't carry but I hope if the situation arises and you , or someone you love needs protection, there is a person who does carry and is willing to help you out. God help the people who think the police will respond in time to save their life.



I think the last sentence says it all. People do need to take responsibility for their own safety. The LEOs just can't respond instantly to protect everybody. The LEOs I know would love to be able to but they just don't have the manpower or resources.......

That sentence may say it all, but to be honest, it has never once crossed my mind that I should be hopeful that some guy with a gun will be around to save me. Not even once.

Others can wish on my behalf that there will be a guy packing always near me to save me, but I don't suspect that I'll ever even consider it.

I just don't live in a fearful enough world yet to feel the need for it. If I ever do, I'll probably move. Why live in a place that requires the need to always have a gun in case somebody wants to hurt you. Move!

[beezer]

I don't live in fear either.

[Top Cat]

Dan, I think the last sentence poppy was talking about was this one. "God help the people who think the police will respond in time to save their life."
That's the last sentence in my post.
I don't live in fear either Beez, I just like to be prepaired. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[unwind2]

Off Thread subject: TC thanks for you pic of your bike with the sheep skin on seat. Made me remember to add the butt buffer to list of items to take for Elkins trip. I only use the buffer on longer trips. ..........Okay Thread detour over. :-/

[Top Cat]

Your very welcom unwind, I just wish I could make the rally so you could see it in person. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif Next year for sure.

[cactusjack]

I don't live in fear either.

I don't either. People fear me. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[qdog]

Should All Bikers Carry A Weapon ?

Maybe yes, maybe no! It depends on the individual.

I recommend a caliber that starts with a 4.

You just never know when it might be your lucky day. Some felon may learn quickly that a knife has no place at a gunfight.

May God Rest the Soul of Jeff Cooper.

[poppy]

Dan, I think the last sentence poppy was talking about was this one. "God help the people who think the police will respond in time to save their life."
That's the last sentence in my post.
I don't live in fear either Beez, I just like to be prepaired. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

TC, you are correct. I was referring to the last sentence in your earlier post, not the next to last that Dan referred to. ;)

[macmac]

I don't live in fear either, just too many times the SHTF... I carry a swiss knife because I might get a splinter, need to cut something. I carry a lighter because I might need fire, and my bow drill is a little bulky to carry around.

I carry a gun because no one can better protect me and mine than I can.

When I go on long trips with a car or a bike I bring tools I might not need and even hope I won't. Most of these tools don't get used atleast on my stuff.

That swiss knife snugged a clamp on a total strangers truck in Kansas once. It was a big intake vacuum leak.

AND I like to excercise my RIGHT's. If we don't the Govt will be more than happy to take them from us.

For me is isn't big shot on a bike with a gun.... I am just always armed, and more so than just on a bike.

In fact some people who know are in fact more comfortable, one of them is my wife..

[socwkbiker]

TB...I understand fully what you are saying!!! There is a definite deference between a "victim" and a "leech"!!! We both know the difference and where it applies!! Don't be shamed to be from Louisiana because of the "leeches".... LA is a very unique place full of some of the best people you'll ever want to meet!! But like a lot of places in the US...there are a LOT of "leeches" who will suck the place dry if given half the chance!!!

(And I'm not sorry if I offend anybody.... my view is that you're only offended if your guilty...and if that's the case, you're the one who should feel ashamed for being a leech!!)

I know some leeches and slugs who might be offended by that comment. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[jussmatt]

TB...I understand fully what you are saying!!! There is a definite deference between a "victim" and a "leech"!!! We both know the difference and where it applies!! Don't be shamed to be from Louisiana because of the "leeches".... LA is a very unique place full of some of the best people you'll ever want to meet!! But like a lot of places in the US...there are a LOT of "leeches" who will suck the place dry if given half the chance!!!

(And I'm not sorry if I offend anybody.... my view is that you're only offended if your guilty...and if that's the case, you're the one who should feel ashamed for being a leech!!)

I know some leeches and slugs who might be offended by that comment. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Give them my name, number, and address and tell them to come see me!!! I can fix their "offended" problem!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/angry.gif:(" title=">:(" border="0"/> http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif

[socwkbiker]

I don't live in fear either, just too many times the SHTF... I carry a swiss knife because I might get a splinter, need to cut something. I carry a lighter because I might need fire, and my bow drill is a little bulky to carry around.

I carry a gun because no one can better protect me and mine than I can.

When I go on long trips with a car or a bike I bring tools I might not need and even hope I won't. Most of these tools don't get used atleast on my stuff.

That swiss knife snugged a clamp on a total strangers truck in Kansas once. It was a big intake vacuum leak.

AND I like to excercise my RIGHT's. If we don't the Govt will be more than happy to take them from us.

For me is isn't big shot on a bike with a gun.... I am just always armed, and more so than just on a bike.

In fact some people who know are in fact more comfortable, one of them is my wife..

Quick, someone hand me a beer. Suddenly I'm starting to understand and agree with macmac. Oooohhh, my head is spinning!

[jussmatt]

I hear ya SWB.... Being of the "Logical Thinkin" type.... I find myself agreeing with macmac most of the time.... once I decipher the code that is!!! LOL!! Keep up the good work macmac!!!

[macmac]

What code? I am a long hair country boy from New Hamsta... Long ago I noticed the cops can't and won'ty do a thing until a crime HAS been commited...

Uh sorry but I am not willing to be cold meat, and then be "Served and Protected". Bad guys don't just walk up and say "Hi, I am a bad guy, what's in your wallet?"

They show up when they figure they see a sucker... They show up when they see someone they see as helpless.

And sometimes they just show up.. Criminals are not smart people, and you don't need me to prove that. Just read the papers once a year and that's proof enough.

To me guns are no more than tools.. I use a fly rod to catch trout, it is a nicely made tool. I can catch trout all the live long day with no rod at all, but the rod and Fluger Reel are nice tools never the less.

So my guns are as nice a tool as I can afford.

My car tools are mostly Snap On, and as nie as i could afford.

My bow drill is something I made but is painted with paint I made, and strung with deer rawhide I got from a kill. I really do start fire with a bow drill.

I like tools and none hang on a wall. I have tools dating back to 5,000 years ago, and can use them. It should be plain I made these tools and they are not antique. I can do anything moderman can do in the art of hunting with these tools, and there is no metal, glass, plastic or anything. The show sign of pride in the workmanship.

I have real antique 18 and 19th century wood working tools with patina. Some even have decoration.. These get used just like they were intended.

And of course I have so- called modern tools..

So these all include hunting and defence tools. To me a gun is a stick and the bullet is a rock.

Or in other words since one man came out of a tree to hit another man, nothing has changed.

The last tool in the world I will ever own will be a cell phone.. I do not dial 911, and never will. But the bad guy just might want one as he just might need it...

Now the reality is I have a permit, and am mild mannered. I do not go MACHO because i have and carry a gun. My closer friends know I carry all the time, and none of them care.

Most of my friends have guns too, anything and everything from flinters, which I own 4 of to full auto Attack Rifles, which are legal in New Hampster.

I can't afford this type of weapon myself, so I don't have any. What I carry could be guessed at from day to day, but it would be a poor bet I wasn't carring. I tend to be fond of .45's though.

Once out shooting with some cop buddies one got started on a hunting rifle I have. The newer cop decided the scope was to powerful for New England. My other cop buddy pointed to a makeshift target about 500 yards off... Bingo, all gone.. Then he said to the first cop, "Now you could run from ol Mac, but you'ld just die tired.

I was given a .22 at age 6.... I gave my son a .22 at age 6... If and whn he has a son maybe the same thing will happen. So guns are a lifetime thing for me. There is no tabboo.

At age 6 I shot a chicadee, which is a very small song bird, and illegal to shoot. My Dad made me clean it, and cook it then eat it ... never did that again.

[jussmatt]

I'm w/ ya 100% macmac!!

I was raised in much the same way as you and have had guns and knives in my life for as long as I can remember. The way we grew up...like you said...it was no big deal. Just another tool and to be respected and cared for as you would any tool!!

I also got the reality lesson of killing a meadow lark. Just a regular old bird...about the same size as a jay bird. Yepper...had to clean it, cook it, and eat it too..... mind you...I didn't do that again either!

Life's Lessons!!

[macmac]

Matt if that lark was a Whipporwill I can attest to that if you can find it, you should KILL the friggin things!

Oh man the mornings I wanted to sleep and those friggin things went off.. Worse than roosters!

The problems seem to be I am rail thin, and so look weak I guess.. I look good to gay's and crooks, and they think because i have long hair I am some sort of doped up Hippy.. Wrong!

I am the "Classic Man" of the Charlie Daniels persuasion. If women didn't own and ride Nomads I'ld be the smallest guy there is..

I do living history, and am one of two guys that cam shimmy up the poles on a tee pee and raise hell in the 'crows' nest. The reality of that is the other guy just goes up to fix knotts and other problems, and I go up just to raise hell...

No else can do this because the poles might not take it, so at times like that I am "ALL POWERFULL" LOL I have pulled some Royal Stunts in 'primitve camp up there..

[jussmatt]

Mac...I can only imagine!!!LOL! I bet you do raise some hell!!! LOL!

[kawbuc]

We have people being robbed , carjacked & murdered getting gas, going to the store , leaving the store ,you name it. Im packin. I just hope i can get to it in time. If the scumbag wants me or my money , he is going to have to earn it the hard way. If i get the chance , he is going down. I will take my chances going to jail.

Supreme Court finally doing right!! (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/26/scotus.guns/index.html#cnnSTCText)

Mac...I can only imagine!!!LOL! I bet you do raise some hell!!! LOL!

He was awful quiet at my house. Maybe it was because I kept feeding him beer and chocolates, or maybe it was the 3 broken ribs. I dunno.

I do believe he can start fire with a bow, as he made a fire in my driveway with a rock, a brass-kuckle lookin' thing made of steel, and some dried up piece of fungus called "touch wood".

[Top Cat]

Thats a step in the right direction. The constitution states
"to keep and bear arms" Well now they can KEEP arms but only in their homes. They still can't BEAR arms.

[Cajunrider]

Supreme Court finally doing right!! (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/26/scotus.guns/index.html#cnnSTCText)
I agree. They screwed up though when they decided that raping kids doesn't warrant the death penalty. Go figure ??? ??? ???

[samkjr]

Just a funny post to this one here. Check out the video. Nothing vulgar or anything.

http://www.tubearoo.com/articles/24307/Family_Guy_Right_To_Bear_Arms.html

I could figure out how to make it a link. Mods feel free to do that if you want.
otherwise just cut and paste.

[ringadingh]

Supreme Court finally doing right!! (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/26/scotus.guns/index.html#cnnSTCText)

Too bad they don't do that here.

[dogdoc]

I started carrying a Ruger Judge after I got my to carry license. its loaded with high test 45's and 00-buck 410. If and when I do need to use it it won't be just anger. it will be because I fear for my life.

I started carrying a Ruger Judge after I got my to carry license. its loaded with high test 45's and 00-buck 410. If and when I do need to use it it won't be just anger. it will be because I fear for my life.

Ya know, Doc, that's what it's coming to. My intention in starting this thread was to bring to light just how vulnerable folks on bikes are. Not just to cagers, but to the criminal element. We're pretty much out there exposed to an even greater extent than other modes of transportation to all sorts of crime. Particularly the violent type. We have an even greater need for protection than others. Just my 2 cents.