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Monkeyman
03-09-2014, 03:50 PM
Might as well combine these into one thread.

I got in my first ride of the year today (WOOHOO!!!). Only about 25 miles because my eyeglasses kept fogging up. (I know it will improve as the weather warms up but I don't want to wait that long to ride.) First time out with my new lid (HJC RPHA-Max modular), too. I've had modulars before and know that, since there's nowhere for my breath to go, it tends to fog up glasses. My glasses don't have an anti fog coating because I couldn't get some other coating with it (I forget which other I felt I needed). I've been cleaning them with a doctor recommended anti fog spray. Not sure it's helping much.

Any suggestions?

On to the helmet review. The HJC RPHA line (-10 is full face, -Max is modular and -X is dual sport) is a step above the standard HJC line in both quality and price. The fit/finish is outstanding, along the lines of the Arais, Shoeis and Nolans but a bit below the Schuberth. The fit is neutral to medium oval as opposed to basketball round like the rest of the HJC line (and the Schuberth). The cheekpads are a bit snug but that's a good thing as this doesn't move a millimeter when head checking. Revzilla list price for my RPHA-Max is just over $400 although they price match and I paid just over $300. The price is lower than most of the other premium brands and 1/3-1/2 the cost of the Schuberth C3.

HJC claims the RPHA-Max is 2db louder than the Schuberth. I'd guess that's being a bit optimistic but still much quieter than alot of similar lids. For those who listen to a stereo, I can hear mine just fine although it's a bit more muddled than when I was wearing my Bell Mag 9 (3/4 with a face shield). I'd say that's probably pretty normal. With my windscreen all the way down, I got a good amount of wind noise but that puts the dirty air right at my head level. With the wind screen about 1/2 way up, I got minimal noise. With it all the way up, I got VERY little. (I can adjust my wind screen 4" up/down.) Zero buffeting no matter where the wind screen was or when I was head checking.

The drop down sun visor was optically correct (and worlds better than the one on the Bell) but not very dark. (Revzilla sells replacements for $22 in smoke (stock), dark smoke and amber.) The RPHA-Max comes with a clip on breath guard that really doesn't do much.

It has a standard double D ring closure. Because of the extra neck roll (to keep turbulence down), it's a tight fit trying to get it buckled and the snap for the excess strap is impossible to use. (I'd much prefer the ratchet system like Nolan has.)

The face shield has a center mounted, locking hasp which is handy but, if you wear bulky gloves, it's difficult to use. (I wear snowmobile gloves in winter.) Simple and easy with normal (3 season) gloves. Good detents and the flip up section is easy to flip and stays up. Solid locking when it's down and just unlocking it gives you a pretty solid detent just enough to defog your glasses (see above). It comes with a Pinlock ready face shield WITH the Pinlock insert. The face shield didn't fog up at all @ 38* nor did the drop down sun shield.

This lid isn't very flexible (good thing) so if you wear earrings, be careful putting it on/taking it off.

Overall, I'd give this an 8. If the noise was a little less and my glasses wouldn't fog up, I'd give it a solid 10 (maybe an 11 with a ratchet closure) at the price I paid (just over $300).

cliffordgos
03-09-2014, 11:47 PM
Might as well combine these into one thread.

I got in my first ride of the year today (WOOHOO!!!). Only about 25 miles because my eyeglasses kept fogging up. (I know it will improve as the weather warms up but I don't want to wait that long to ride.) First time out with my new lid (HJC RPHA-Max modular), too. I've had modulars before and know that, since there's nowhere for my breath to go, it tends to fog up glasses. My glasses don't have an anti fog coating because I couldn't get some other coating with it (I forget which other I felt I needed). I've been cleaning them with a doctor recommended anti fog spray. Not sure it's helping much.

Any suggestions?



Something like this might help.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/52193/i/hjc-rpha-max-helmet-breath-deflector

I plan on getting a new helmet for the summer but the HJC IS Max that I have now I use this breath box.

http://www.compacc.com/p/HJC-Breath-Box-IS-MAX-BT-CL-MAX-2?utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid_search&utm_campaign=paid_search_google_pla&scid=scplp2868368&gclid=CKXxnpKHh70CFaw-MgodJlcAaw

cactusjack
03-10-2014, 12:17 AM
My contact lenses don't fog up.

Monkeyman
03-10-2014, 05:27 PM
Something like this might help.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/52193/i/hjc-rpha-max-helmet-breath-deflector



The RPHA-Max comes with that breath deflector. It doesn't do much good.

My contact lenses don't fog up.

Ha! I tried unsuccessfully to wear contacts. I have Dry Eye Syndrome and can't wear them. As a matter of fact, my next glasses (I'm overdue) will be "biker glasses" (form fitting with a gasket...think 7eye or Wiley X) just to keep any remaining air away from my eyes. I go through a bottle of good eyedrops every couple of weeks. They can do expensive surgery that the insurance won't pay for but there's only a 40% chance it would help. If I could wear contacts, I sure would.

waterman
03-10-2014, 05:50 PM
I just crack the visor to get some air movement in the helmet.

Top Cat
03-10-2014, 06:07 PM
I just crack the visor to get some air movement in the helmet.

That works for me.
Pretty simple fix :ohno:

cactusjack
03-10-2014, 06:14 PM
I just crack the visor to get some air movement in the helmet.

That's what I do when my sunglasses fog up when wearing my full face helmet.

cliffordgos
03-10-2014, 06:24 PM
The RPHA-Max comes with that breath deflector. It doesn't do much good.
.

Maybe you can make this work.

http://www.amazon.com/HJC-UNIVERSAL-BREATHBOX-W-WINGS/dp/B001PN75SQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394490054&sr=8-1&keywords=hjc+breath+box

Monkeyman
03-10-2014, 07:56 PM
I just crack the visor to get some air movement in the helmet.

Kind of defeats the purpose of a full face/modular helmet, doesn't it? My goal is to get as little air to my face as possible, mostly to alleviate my dry eye problem but also to keep a little warmer when the temps are low. Also, if you look closely at the link, you'll see the central lock on the visor gets in the way pretty fast.

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/hjc-rpha-max-helmet-solid

cnc
03-10-2014, 08:29 PM
Maybe a better design breath deflector. Most full coverage snowmobile helmets have a decent one with foam rubber gasket that pretty much seals the nose and lower half of the helmet from the lense area. I never fog up in winter.

On the bike with my Nolan, I some times get a bit of fogging in cold or damp days. But generally it is only when I am stopped or riding slow so my general routine is keep the visor up till I pull out and just crack it in slow bumper to bumper riding. Once I get moving faster thee is no fogging and I am able to ride with the shield down.

waterman
03-10-2014, 09:00 PM
Kind of defeats the purpose of a full face/modular helmet, doesn't it? My goal is to get as little air to my face as possible, mostly to alleviate my dry eye problem but also to keep a little warmer when the temps are low. Also, if you look closely at the link, you'll see the central lock on the visor gets in the way pretty fast.

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/hjc-rpha-max-helmet-solid

Not really. The main purpose of the full face is to protect your jaw. If they didn't want you to get any air they wouldn't put a visor that you can move up and down on it. That is the way I run mine because I haven't found a helmet yet that doesn't fog up.

haygrrr
03-10-2014, 09:11 PM
Beauty of modulars are that you can leave chin and visor up till you get moving enough not to fog up...

cactusjack
03-10-2014, 09:41 PM
Kind of defeats the purpose of a full face/modular helmet, doesn't it? My goal is to get as little air to my face as possible, mostly to alleviate my dry eye problem but also to keep a little warmer when the temps are low. Also, if you look closely at the link, you'll see the central lock on the visor gets in the way pretty fast.

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/hjc-rpha-max-helmet-solid

Not really, the shield is only open about 1/8". Gets too hot and stuffy otherwise.

Eppic2
02-25-2017, 10:25 PM
Hey Monkeyman, thanks for the detailed helmet review. I have been reviewing info on this helmet and I mostly like what I am finding. I agree with the ratchet style system on the chin strap being much preferred to the D-ringand sure wish this Max had that. I am not sure about having the visor release lever so much in the field of vision when you want to flip it up 1 or 2 notches up for more air or whatever. I suppose you get used to it. Unfortunately the smallest space it will give is about 3/4" - 1 " or more. A significant issue that I read about is that when you're out in a downpour, the rain will somehow gather on the upper lip of the face opening and drip all over your forehead. Have you had any experience similiar to this with the Max?

Sabre-t
02-26-2017, 04:16 PM
Monkeyman, I feel for you and your dry eye syndrome. I have that, too. It used to be really bad, but I started taking flax seed oil every day and it made a remarkable difference. I have tried contacts in the past, before trying the flax seed oil, and they just didn't work out. I am going to try again this year. The oil doesn't work for everyone, but it does for lots of folks.

I have tried several different breath boxes. Some do work better than others, but none have worked great for me. They all fail if I have something around my neck that blocks the air from getting out of the bottom of the helmet/breath box. That is only when I ride below 20°F, though.

I have found one item that works really well:
https://fogbiter.wordpress.com/ Breathe in thru your nose and exhale thru your mouth and the Fogbiter directs your breath down and out of your helmet. Depending on your head and helmet shapes, and what you are wearing for a head cover, it can really be tight against your mouth and teeth and it is rather hard rubber. The condensation from your breath also builds up and drips from the bottom of the exit tube. It, too, can be a problem if you have stuff around your neck blocking it, but not as bad as breath boxes. I have thought about getting a rubber tube to attach to the bottom to allow air and condensation to go somewhere else.

For glasses anti-fog, I use Cat Crap, even when using the Fogbiter. It, or something like it is sold at lots of sporting goods places (paste and liquid versions). None of them should hurt any coatings you have on your lenses. Some folks wipe their glasses with shaving creme. I think Cat Crap may be a soap material, too, but it is certainly more convenient than carrying around a can of shaving creme.