safety of Baggers

[badge1]

Ladies and gents if you have time check out this link and tell us what you think, I don't get it is this stuff true ?

http://www.google.ca/url?q=http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/harleydavidsonbagger.html&sa=U&ei=43t8UrzXEeX5iwLYtYCoBg&ved=0CE0QFjAN&sig2=AO5emD_Vw4ZC5O9SXVQW9w&usg=AFQjCNGrcsxVb3OggrJh1UROiNGQa2X5KA

[cactusjack]

Sounds like someone with an axe to grind to me.

[Top Cat]

I started to read it but lost interest.
Bunch a crap if you as me.

[HwyRider]

Sounds like a sport bike owner that can't handle a bigger bike. I must be an amateur because I wear a half helmet even though I've been riding for 40 years. :hmm:

[crazygene49]

Sounds like someone with an axe to grind to me.


:tup:

[smokey]

Sounds like someone with an axe to grind to me.

+2:bs:

[0vationdave]

Sounds like someone with an axe to grind to me.

+3. I don't get it. Most of this article is about one persons opinion, not facts. He complains about how much money they cost. Really? If they cost to much, you don't want it enough or simply can't afford it. That's his issue, not everyone else's. He complains about color.....and that bolting parts on you won't get your money back on it. Guess what, that's true for more than just baggers?? He says it takes an "Expert Rider" and that if your not riding with the kind of gear meet "his" standards, it must be a rookie rider.

Sounds like he has an axe to grind. Oh wait, someone already said that.

Dave

[badge1]

+2:bs:

smokey how is your voyager do you ever feel like it is unsafe ?

[badge1]

+3. I don't get it. Most of this article is about one persons opinion, not facts. He complains about how much money they cost. Really? If they cost to much, you don't want it enough or simply can't afford it. That's his issue, not everyone else's. He complains about color.....and that bolting parts on you won't get your money back on it. Guess what, that's true for more than just baggers?? He says it takes an "Expert Rider" and that if your not riding with the kind of gear meet "his" standards, it must be a rookie rider.

Sounds like he has an axe to grind. Oh wait, someone already said that.

Dave

Ya I really think this guy just cant afford the bike he really wants . obviously a bigger heavier machine will not stop as quick as a smaller one ? and will go though more tires ,but are the bagger bikes not designed for the more weight that we have put on them and is not why manufacturers are building them with a little bigger motor and better braking ie: ABS ?

[badboy194]

What to Hell was that crap?? I will say the most common reason someone doesn't like a certain Cruiser style bike is because they can't afford it. Their foolish pride just won't allow them to admit it. Basic premise of the story was I don't have the $$$$.

[bpro215]

What a jerk. I sent him a email. Totally insane

[HwyRider]

:lmao::lol::lmao:

[cactusjack]

I read through it better (first time was on my phone) and it's nothing but pure, unadulterated bulls**t!

Nobody in their right mind would advocate using a Sportster as a bagger.

[manban9888]

Just another itty bitty brain connected to a big mouth. The world's loaded w them.

[Loafer]

Scott is 100% correct. :tup:

[cnc]

:wtf: I read about half of it and got bored, but I can't help but wonder how many more millionaires there would be in this world if the Bagger was never invented.:hmm:

[fish]

I lost interest 1/2 to 2/3 through it. He started to repeat himself. he has to much time on his hands

[crazygene49]

I poked around his website and came to the conclusion that the guy is a wacko.

[vulcanscott]

:bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs::bs:

[markclark57]

He was just voicing his wife's reasoning for him to never own a motorcycle. (or any non-necessity item that may result in FUN) :lol:

[cnc]

He was just voicing his wife's reasoning for him to never own a motorcycle. (or any non-necessity item that may result in FUN) :lol:

OR, he has a one of a kind Bagger and his wife has served him with papers and wants to make sure her lawyer goes after other stuff.:hmm:

[gman47]

Read to #20, had to stop..such whining and crap. Ya know what they say about opinions and Ass#@*&s... every body has one!!!!!!!!!!

[HwyRider]

Under his advice column he says not to trust the BBB because they ruled against him 3 times but 2 paragraphs down he says to trust them. Most of his writing is the same. He praises something and then condemns it or vice versa.

[smokey]

smokey how is your voyager do you ever feel like it is unsafe ?

Never, the only time I ever went down was on a 50cc scooter.

[Monkeyman]

Of course it's legitimate. It's on the internet.

[cactusjack]

For my own amusement I think I will cross post this link on the Harley bagger forum.

[Yellow Jacket]

Thanks to reading the replies first, I knew not to waste my time looking at the link. :D

[tazfl]

wow, allot of ignorance and one sided opinion in that "article" if you can call it that. There were a couple of points in there that have "some" truth to them like removing one of the front brake rotors to show off the rim having a negative effect on braking. Overall though the author is full of it and there is a underlying factor for his negativity that I'm not sure of.

[glwilson]

James Russell of James Russell Publishing (the author) has had a long-standing beef with Harley Davidson -- excluding the Sportster; of which he thinks is the best bike built.

No one seems to know his history, but he has written incessantly about how Harley's are the worst bike ever. He has gone to great length to plead his case.

He appears to have some mechanical/engineering knowledge (expertise?); but uses it wholeheartedly to bad-mouth HD.

This rant appears to include any "bagger"; although he still centers on HD's.

He does have a couple points with regard to the larger front rims with low-profile tires. I have seen article after article about the problems/dangers/tire-wear when using these rims.

I avoid his bullshit most of the time...:cheers:

[badge1]

For my own amusement I think I will cross post this link on the Harley bagger forum.

ya should get some good responses there I wanted to share this after I read it this is out there man if he has such a thing for HD why does he ride an sportster boy's ?

[glwilson]

ya should get some good responses there I wanted to share this after I read it this is out there man if he has such a thing for HD why does he ride an sportster boy's ?

I find it odd also... Other writings from him, he states the Sportster is the best bike built. He mostly rants about how its motor is superior to the motors HD uses on its tourers.

Much of any glory he might have had in his rants on HD tourers was spoiled when HD made changes to those things he bitched about.

Maybe he was right about his complaints, because HD made the changes he thought they should. :D

[jesse d]

I read it ............and the Oklahoma boy also says.............:bs:

[badge1]

I find it odd also... Other writings from him, he states the Sportster is the best bike built. He mostly rants about how its motor is superior to the motors HD uses on its tourers.

Much of any glory he might have had in his rants on HD tourers was spoiled when HD made changes to those things he bitched about.

Maybe he was right about his complaints, because HD made the changes he thought they should. :D

Ya wilson there sure are alot of HD haters out there strange as they are the pioneers of the industry umm and we all model our nomads after them ?

[smokey]

Ya wilson there sure are alot of HD haters out there strange as they are the pioneers of the industry umm and we all model our nomads after them ?if we did that we would be running air cooled motors. No thanks. I don't hate HD, I just don't like the price, or the ergonomics, at 6' 1" I just didn't find enough leg room, and yes, I did own one. For a month.

[badge1]

if we did that we would be running air cooled motors. No thanks. I don't hate HD, I just don't like the price, or the ergonomics, at 6' 1" I just didn't find enough leg room, and yes, I did own one. For a month.

Yes I know there are quirks and stuff love the look of the HD I am 6 ' 1" as well never been on an HD but have sat on them at bike shows and yes did seem pretty tight to me not like the nad , just saying styling looks great and there sure seem to be alot of HD haters out there , but there is a another whole thread on this isn't there , ha ha another question for you smokey little off topic here how do you like the voyager , I am thinking of putting a tour pak on my bike or maybe just lean towards a voyager don't know

[badboy194]

This guy sounds like Mr. Mackey on South Park. Baggers are Bad... M'kay! Don't ride a Bagger!

[cnc]

Well you know some one is full of it when they need to sensationalize and embellish everything to make a point. Wonder what he feels about the choices of toilet paper on the market?:lmao:

[Bud2rat]

Total Bullsh*t IMHO, just saying.

[cactusjack]

I googled the author and he seems to have an opinion about everything. I would consider him a nut case and not to be taken seriously.

[0vationdave]

LOL. Ok, after I read his "Free Advice", he sure thinks a lot of himself....... http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/advicegeneral.html

[ponch]

Regarding #8: Obviously he's never owned a BMW. :D

[cnc]

LOL. Ok, after I read his "Free Advice", he sure thinks a lot of himself....... http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/advicegeneral.html

That must be the " Duh, no sh*t Sherlock " list.

[HeyJoe]

Man, I've never read such a putdown. Sounds a little obsessive and one-sided - a negative bagger manifesto :bs:

[jestephens]

:bs: I agree with all of you.

The reasoning is subjective, not based on any fact. Just a rant from some jealous weenie :P

[jestephens]

Ya wilson there sure are alot of HD haters out there strange as they are the pioneers of the industry umm and we all model our nomads after them ?


:wtf: I make great effort to look nothing like an HD.... just sayin'

And I wouldn't call them pioneers of industry when they try so hard to avoid changing things. :bs: They seem to be idolized for being traditional

[dank]

EGADS!!! Glad I ride a Sport Tourer. But I'm going to miss you guys when you are all dead, broke, or both! :crazy:

[jestephens]

EGADS!!! Glad I ride a Sport Tourer. But I'm going to miss you guys when you are all dead, broke, or both! :crazy:

:lmao:

[glwilson]

EGADS!!! Glad I ride a Sport Tourer. But I'm going to miss you guys when you are all dead, broke, or both! :crazy:

I feel my wallet shrinking as we speak...:lmao::cheers:

[badge1]

:wtf: I make great effort to look nothing like an HD.... just sayin'

And I wouldn't call them pioneers of industry when they try so hard to avoid changing things. :bs: They seem to be idolized for being traditional

well I didn't mean to open up a can worms about HD'S they have be at it a long time thats what I meant about pioneers , weather they are a quality product for the price not sure but there is definitely an HD bagger crazy out there dont you think

[Bdog]

Sometimes I bash Harley riders but only in fun. I had a 2011 streetglide for 6 wks., then sold it to my brother inlaw. I too have long legs and felt cramped on it. But that's just me...love the Nomad.
This Russell guy doesn't deserve the read he's getting...definitely a disturbed boy.

[badge1]

This Russell guy doesn't deserve the read he's getting...definitely a disturbed boy.[/QUOTE]

Well put here bdog well put !

[BigDog1294]

wow, allot of ignorance and one sided opinion in that "article" if you can call it that. There were a couple of points in there that have "some" truth to them like removing one of the front brake rotors to show off the rim having a negative effect on braking. Overall though the author is full of it and there is a underlying factor for his negativity that I'm not sure of.

What a nut job. I was particularly interested in part of comment 40:
"Removing pounds increases cubic inches and power output relatively speaking."

So-if I lose 100 pounds does that make my 1700 an 1800? LOL

[jestephens]

No wonder my bike is slow. I gained a little weight

[Old Bear]

The good news out of this is that now I know to not spend any money on anything related or endorsed by James Russell, as that fantasy show that he is either trying to be a comedian (FAIL!) or has no idea of how to research a professional article. Wonder if he works on the Obamacare web site as a programmer?

[glwilson]

Wonder if he works on the Obamacare web site as a programmer?

:lmao: Maybe so...

[tazfl]

This Russell guy doesn't deserve the read he's getting...definitely a disturbed boy.

Well put here bdog well put ![/QUOTE]

yeah I thought pretty hard about emailing the guy but I realize it wouldn't make any difference at all, the guy is living in his own little world.

[RACNRAY]

ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVEABLY RIDICULOUS!!! I was embaraseed to read what little I read!!

RACNRAY