Yeah, another CT thread...

[toy4bob]

I don't know which side of fence I am on, but read all the CT threads and hope to make a decision before I need a new tire on my Vaq.

just thought would post this I cam across from Motorcyclist Online



Car Tired
A friend of mine recently mounted a car tire on his 1800cc metric cruiser because it was cheaper, cooler, lasted longer and, he claimed, all his friends were doing it with no adverse effects. I have ridden behind him and observed the bike teetering on the edge of the square-profile tire with no contact patch at all. The last time we rode together he carried his 8-year-old daughter on the passenger seat and commented that I was having trouble keeping up. He is an aggressive rider and I just didn’t want to take a chance of hitting him. Have you heard of problems caused by car tires mounted on motorcycles? There doesn’t seem to be any information about what is fast becoming a common practice.
Gene Quies
Fort Atkinson, WI

Car tires may actually cost less, last longer, ride smoother and make your buddy’s 1800 look cool. But mounting automobile rubber on a motorcycle’s wheels is still dumb, for a host of seemingly obvious reasons. Start with this one from Michelin’s Motorcycle Fitment Guide: “Tires designed for passenger cars can be dangerous when used on motorcycles and motorcycles with sidecars, as bead-seat diameters of motorcycle rims and passenger car rims are different.” Though that difference may not be obvious to the inexperienced eye, it can lead to what experts call “sudden, catastrophic deflation,” which is guaranteed to ruin your day.

Just in case that’s not enough, your pal’s gangsta whitewalls are probably edgier than he thinks. Cars don’t lean much, so car tires are supposed to keep most of their relatively flat tread area on the pavement most of the time. Motorcycles lean to turn, which is why a motorcycle tire’s profile is contoured to lay down a consistent contact patch—upright or cranked over. Automotive tread designs don’t work so well leaning on one edge or the other, especially when it comes to channeling water away from some compromised contact patch. The indecisive cornering feel that comes with it generates more anxiety than confidence; enough to put most right-minded people back on bike-specific rubber. Still, your friend and other adamantly like-minded individuals roll on automotive rubber for the same reason dogs lick their other orifice: because they can. And can, as any good dictionary or tire engineer will tell you, doesn’t mean should.



Read more: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ho...#ixzz1jm4nJlNe

[cactusjack]

I'd rather take the advice of people who have tried the car tire than some magazine editor who hasn't. I have been following car tire threads for a long time and have yet to hear of anyone who crashed because they were running a car tire. Riders on motorcycle tires crash all the time. I'm not saying you can't crash with a car tire, just that I've never read or heard of one.

I rode on a car tire on my 2007 Nomad for 22,000 miles and never felt the anxiety that the editor describes. It was a smooth, stable ride with improved braking because of the greater contact patch. But what do I know? I don't write for a magazine.

[coacha]

I read that online too. I have over 25K on CT's on my 99 Nomad. I know a bunch of others here that have similar and more miles on them. Not one of them has had an accident caused by CT failure.

Go to north GA and ride with Dick (dkdixie), Cliff (VulcanE) or to TN and ride with Goose. They lay over their Nomads and ride them like nobody's business. I've seen GW's with them on that are ridden by IBR finishers. Tell the editor to do a little research in the real world and see that they do work.

[ringadingh]

Running on a car tire is a choice we can all make ourselves, its not for everyone. But reading from people that have tried it firsthand goes a long way in giving the topic some credibility. I didn't find a huge difference in handling after switching tires, and had I not felt comfortable I would have switched back.

[mweaver]

I wouldn't worry about hurting my wife or myself
for the savings of a car tire. JMHO

Mike

[markclark57]

While there is a slight difference in the area where the bead seats, the motorcycle rims are the ones that are a little larger. That's why it sometimes takes a little more pressure to seat the Car tire on the Motorcycle rim. While it is theoretically plausible that a Motorcycle tire may loose pressure on a Car, the reverse is highly unlikely. :wtf:

Meanwhile back at the facts, I intentionally took the same twisties before and after changing to a CT. Before (M/C tire) I had slower speeds and scraped the boards. After (CT) better handling, tighter corners, faster speeds, and I did not drag the boards. I also did my own "road patch" test on straight and deep cornering by putting some water on the road just before a turn on a dry road. Car tire wins again. Also had several opportunities to compare stopping power. Car tire wins hands down. :tup:

IMHO the only reason for anyone to object to a car tire on a motorcycle is that they have a personal financial interest in selling motorcycle tires at their inflated price. JBTW at the time I made the change, I could afford any motorcycle tire made. I chose the Goodyear Assurance Triple Tread 205/60-16 for my '06 Nomad because it is the best traction/performance choice available for the machine I own. :P

[Jared]

"enough to put most right-minded people back on bike-specific rubber"

LOL!! I think most people would say that right-minded people don't ride motorcycles.

[Jared]

Here's a blog post I wrote a long time ago that shows several different bikes, some in very tight turns, all on car tires and a few vids.

http://www.utahmotorcyclist.org/2009/10/riding-on-dark-side.html

[mobandy78]

You also have to remember, since that guy does write for a magazine, he's is legally bound to not advise readers to do things that are not recommended. If he said "it was the greatest thing since sliced bread" (which it may be, in my opinion), and someone actually did get hurt because of it, he and the magazine would have a large law-suit on their hands.

I've never experienced an "indecisive feel" while cornering. I've actually felt more comfortable corning on a car tire than I did on the motorcycle tire. Some people just don't have an open mind to trying it. When I was getting mine installed, I actually almost got into an argument with another customer that commented how stupid it was. "I'd never put a car tire on a motorcycle, that's just stupid!" So, I asked why he thought so and then if he had ever tried it. He said he never had and never would and never gave me an answer as to why. I told him that when he became more intellectual, then I'd have the conversation with him and I walked away.

I've never doubted my decision to put one on my bike. I'll put another one in a few years when this one wears out. :)

[blowndodge]

I don't mind at all anyone thinking my truck tire is stupid. I ride to many biker hangouts in So. Cal and here both sides. I've asked them if any of the nay sayers had data that car tired motorcycles have a higher incident of accidents than regular motorcycle tires... Of course nobody has any historical evidence that car tires are more dangerous. Car tires have been run on motorcycles since WWII.

I'll be honest, I like that not many people do it.. The rare one's that I meet running a car tire ask me the same thing, "how many people think your stupid to run a car tire". We have a good laugh. There must be a reason most of them say they're never going back.

[Monkeyman]

I haven't gone to the darkside yet (but will with the next rear tire change) but keep one thing in mind when you're talking about contact patch. Most that run CTs, DON'T run very square rubber. The GYTT (and others) is a fairly round CT. The few I've seen with very wide, very squared off CTs are the bikes that just don't corner much (i.e. Boss Hoss). I'd like to get a new rear tire by spring (depending on funds). Once I do, I'll let you take it around the block so you can see for yourself.

[Kawhead]

I haven't gone to the darkside yet (but will with the next rear tire change) but keep one thing in mind when you're talking about contact patch. Most that run CTs, DON'T run very square rubber. The GYTT (and others) is a fairly round CT. The few I've seen with very wide, very squared off CTs are the bikes that just don't corner much (i.e. Boss Hoss). I'd like to get a new rear tire by spring (depending on funds). Once I do, I'll let you take it around the block so you can see for yourself.When you get here we'll have cookies waiting for you. :yep:

[Monkeyman]

Heh heh. The "I'll let you take it around the block" part was for Bob (as he only lives about an hour away) but if you're gonna have cookies, it might be worth the ride to NC. :D Nice, soft snickerdoodles, please.

[twowheeladdict]

These car tire threads do intrigue me. I do know that cruiser riders ride and brake differently than sport bike riders, but I also know that a lot of sport bike riders are young guys who can barely afford to change tires every 1,000 to 4,000 miles. I have yet to hear about any sport bike rider putting a car tire on their motorcycle. Is it because 17" tires are hard to come by, or is it because they don't want to take the chance.

I have had conversations with CT guys who tell me that you do notice a difference compared to running a MT. They tell me that it takes a little more pressure on the bars to drop into a turn and constant pressure to hold it there. They tell me that irregularities in the road surface tend to push the bike around so you have to stay on your toes. Of course there are Motorcycle tires with blocky tread patterns and a single groove running down the center that are affected by road surface as well.

When my motorcycle tires are near the end of there useful life I feel a lot of the same things that the CT guys describe. I don't like the way the bike feels at that point which is why I never run tires down to the threads like some guys I know.

I would love the opportunity to ride a bike with a CT, but I am not willing to spend the time and labor to try one out. Especially when I can get 16,000 miles out of a motorcycle tire.

[cactusjack]

These car tire threads do intrigue me. I do know that cruiser riders ride and brake differently than sport bike riders, but I also know that a lot of sport bike riders are young guys who can barely afford to change tires every 1,000 to 4,000 miles. I have yet to hear about any sport bike rider putting a car tire on their motorcycle. Is it because 17" tires are hard to come by, or is it because they don't want to take the chance.

I have had conversations with CT guys who tell me that you do notice a difference compared to running a MT. They tell me that it takes a little more pressure on the bars to drop into a turn and constant pressure to hold it there. They tell me that irregularities in the road surface tend to push the bike around so you have to stay on your toes. Of course there are Motorcycle tires with blocky tread patterns and a single groove running down the center that are affected by road surface as well.

When my motorcycle tires are near the end of there useful life I feel a lot of the same things that the CT guys describe. I don't like the way the bike feels at that point which is why I never run tires down to the threads like some guys I know.

I would love the opportunity to ride a bike with a CT, but I am not willing to spend the time and labor to try one out. Especially when I can get 16,000 miles out of a motorcycle tire.

I wouldn't even consider putting a car tire on a sport bike. It works on a cruiser/tourer, but sport bikes are ridden differently.

[coacha]

"enough to put most right-minded people back on bike-specific rubber"

LOL!! I think most people would say that right-minded people don't ride motorcycles.

+1 Right-minded people think anyone that rides a motorcycle is an "organ donor" waiting to happen.

[Pitchinguy]

The one common argument by tire mfg's, mag writers, etc seems to be the rim seat is different which might allow for failure. I've never heard of a CT failing on a motorcycle rim. Does anyone actually know of or heard of this actually happening?

[Monkeyman]

Well, there was this one guy who said his brother had a friend who knew someone back in college who's brother in law had a sister who's best friend said he had a problem. I forget his name. :D

[ringadingh]

The one common argument by tire mfg's, mag writers, etc seems to be the rim seat is different which might allow for failure. I've never heard of a CT failing on a motorcycle rim. Does anyone actually know of or heard of this actually happening?

I would doubt that its ever happened. Have you ever tried taking one on or off?

[markclark57]

The one common argument by tire mfg's, mag writers, etc seems to be the rim seat is different which might allow for failure. I've never heard of a CT failing on a motorcycle rim. Does anyone actually know of or heard of this actually happening?

The CT's actually seat better on the M/C rim than on the car rim. I wouldn't want to put a motorcycle tire on a car, that might not be safe. The "Old Timers" that were around when I was young ran CT's on their motorcycles before I was born. So where are the decades of "EXAMPLES" of people crashing their motorcycle due to the added traction/performance of a CT? The only difference from then till now is "There is a chance" that some POS lawyer might sue somebody.

[markclark57]

. . .
I have had conversations with CT guys who tell me that you do notice a difference compared to running a MT. They tell me that it takes a little more pressure on the bars to drop into a turn and constant pressure to hold it there. They tell me that irregularities in the road surface tend to push the bike around so you have to stay on your toes. Of course there are Motorcycle tires with blocky tread patterns and a single groove running down the center that are affected by road surface as well. . .

The difference in counter steering is there, but hard to explain. Depending on how "deep" the corner is, it's sort of a +, ++, =, - sort of thing. It's not bad, just different. It's comparable to the differences in handling between models. I've had several motorcycles, NONE of them ride the same as a different model. I test rode 4 different H-D models before I bought my Nomad. Again, all of them handle different.

[Tiger J]

I have heard both sides of the debate and don't know enough about motorcycle dynamics to form my own opinion... what keeps me from even considering darksiding are two things: 1) I would have to install the car tire myself because no shop around here will do it; and 2) (this is the big one) insurance won't cover me if I have an accident with a car tire on the bike.

The only advice I could offer to anyone considering darksiding is to check with their insurance carrier first. I use Progressive... they say absolutely no!

[nomadtom69]

Did you go online to ask or did you talk to a agent who handles Progressive

[markclark57]

I have heard both sides of the debate and don't know enough about motorcycle dynamics to form my own opinion... what keeps me from even considering darksiding are two things: 1) I would have to install the car tire myself because no shop around here will do it; and 2) (this is the big one) insurance won't cover me if I have an accident with a car tire on the bike.

The only advice I could offer to anyone considering darksiding is to check with their insurance carrier first. I use Progressive... they say absolutely no!

I'd just get a different carrier. :shrug: Some carriers don't insure motorcycles at all. Does that mean you'll quit riding? :ohno:

[twowheeladdict]

I wouldn't even consider putting a car tire on a sport bike. It works on a cruiser/tourer, but sport bikes are ridden differently.

I guess that's my problem. I don't ride my bike differently :D

I take the same lines on the tourer as I do on sport oriented bikes.

I end up upgrading the suspension on my touring bikes so they end up with a sportier ride.

[VulcanE]

I have heard both sides of the debate and don't know enough about motorcycle dynamics to form my own opinion... what keeps me from even considering darksiding are two things: 1) I would have to install the car tire myself because no shop around here will do it; and 2) (this is the big one) insurance won't cover me if I have an accident with a car tire on the bike.

The only advice I could offer to anyone considering darksiding is to check with their insurance carrier first. I use Progressive... they say absolutely no!

:???: I use Dairyland now, but before, I had progressive, and they told me the same thing as Dairyland, as long as it is a DOT approved tire, with the DOT stamp on the sidewall, it will be covered. :yep:

[mobandy78]

:???: I use Dairyland now, but before, I had progressive, and they told me the same thing as Dairyland, as long as it is a DOT approved tire, with the DOT stamp on the sidewall, it will be covered. :yep:

This has been talked about before... with one of our members being an insurance guy. He said this same statement. As long as it's DOT approved, it would be covered. Last time I checked, car tires were DOT approved.

[waterman]

Two years ago at a VROC rally several of us were having a discussion on CT's. Well, another person who claimed he wrote for motorcycle magazines poked his nose in and claimed that motorcycles have never run on car tires and that he knew the history of motorcycle's. We politely told him to check his history as in the past there were no such things as motorcycle specific tires.

CT's are not for everyone but they are for some. Too each his own.

[markclark57]

I guess that's my problem. I don't ride my bike differently :D

I take the same lines on the tourer as I do on sport oriented bikes.

I end up upgrading the suspension on my touring bikes so they end up with a sportier ride.

I have a 205/60-16 CT and still ride my Nomad pretty "sporty" at times. It actually does much better at it with the CT.

I think the reason most sport bikes don't Dark Side is the different rim size makes it hard to cross match sizes.

[toy4bob]

Thanks everyone for the input, and the offer to test ride your's Monkeyman once you go there (I hope that fairing is on by then too :)). I am really torn to give it a try the first time I need to replace, we shall see as I am sure this will be needed this summer sometime.

I read everything posted about CT / darkside, and posted this thread as someone had an opinion and I wondered what some of you who have gone CT had to say in response to it.

On a side note, I posted the exact same post on another forum at the same time I started this thread, had one reply before at some point the thread was locked. I also received a message from an admin, telling me I was given an "infraction" and points due to trolling and firestarting. wow, really???? I really thought I stated right off that I was on the fence, and here was an opinion below.... I think we are all still entitled to those, like em or not.

Anyway, I apologized and expressed that was not my intent at all, and even pointed out that I started same thread here and had 2 pages of helpful info... and again I thank you all for that. Rgardless, I thought I better warn wompus DO NOT post his gay guy / black guy joke over there.... LOL

Ride on, regardless of what tires you are on.

Bob

[Jesus Freak]

Twowheeladdict, what mc tire do you get 16000 miles on?

[Jesus Freak]

I have around 1,000 miles on my first CT and my first impression is A+ in every asspect except super slow speeds on uneven surfaces. It seems to try and tip me over when the corner of the tire falls into the uneven surface. At fist I planned on switching back, but now have decided to give it a season. I will play with the air pressure to see if this helps.

[blowndodge]

what tire do you have JF????

[Jesus Freak]

I'm on a Bridgestone Potenza P205/60R16
Running 31 psi

[markclark57]

Any "wider" profile tire will "push" the bike to the opposite side of a rut, CT or not. The wider the face the faster the "push" shows up. (Basic geometry really, offset of center of gravity) If you "give it a season" you'll compensate without even thinking about it. If it still bothers you, get the narrowest replacement rubber that fits the rim. (bicycle tires don't do it at all) :D

[mweaver]

Well, guess I'll go check on my Dunlop stock and
call my son(a POS lawyer)
Never know who you might be offending, huh ?

Mike

[Jesus Freak]

Mark, I did and do understand why the width is causing this effect. I had a hard time finding and or converting the right size. So I found someone that used this size and I went for it... I would like to have a narrower size next time. Any suggestions from experience? (This tire does look really cool though)

[markclark57]

As has been said elsewhere, Pleasing all the people ain't possible, Pissing them all off is a piece of cake.

Mike, There are good lawyers (I have one) who work on real cases for real people.
POS lawyers are the ones who think they ARE the only definition of legal. They take money without right for unjust causes by bending corrupt courts.
Now which one is your son? (depending on your answer) Then why would you (or he) be offended?

[markclark57]

Mark, I did and do understand why the width is causing this effect. I had a hard time finding and or converting the right size. So I found someone that used this size and I went for it... I would like to have a narrower size next time. Any suggestions from experience? (This tire does look really cool though)

I have the 205/60-16 Goodyear Assurance Triple Tread. Took me about 3-4 rides to really "dial it in". Bought it when I still lived and worked in the Seattle area. Purchase was based on traction research over look or price. Now I'm retired, live in Phoenix. Still, I will never switch back. I even put GYTT's on our family car.

BlownDodge runs a higher/narrower profile truck tire. Gives him lower RPM's, better MPG's, corrects the speedometer. Go for the ride and performance that YOU want and figure out what it takes to get it. Don't let folks without facts push you away. :tup:

[Top Cat]

Well, guess I'll go check on my Dunlop stock and
call my son(a POS lawyer)
Never know who you might be offending, huh ?

Mike

Most of the guys on here have pretty thick skin. It is hard to offend anyone unless you are really trying.:yep:
Usually it is just a difference of opinion and we all have our opinions. Mine does coincide with yours by the way.
I run car tires on my car, truck tires on my truck and motorcycle tires on my motorcycles.
The only reason I would even consider a car tire on the bike is to save money. But I can afford to buy a set of tires or two each riding season.
No you guys I have never ridden a bike with car tires so don't ask. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/ornwink.gif

[mobandy78]

Most of the guys on here have pretty thick skin. It is hard to offend anyone unless you are really trying.:yep:
Usually it is just a difference of opinion and we all have our opinions. Mine does coincide with yours by the way.
I run car tires on my car, truck tires on my truck and motorcycle tires on my motorcycles.
The only reason I would even consider a car tire on the bike is to save money. But I can afford to buy a set of tires or two each riding season.
No you guys I have never ridden a bike with car tires so don't ask. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/ornwink.gif

So, have you ever ridden in a car with bike tires? :lol:Since I can't ask the other question...

[Top Cat]

So, have you ever ridden in a car with bike tires? :lol:Since I can't ask the other question...

:D No Mo and I don't plan on doing that either.

[Kawhead]

Most of the guys on here have pretty thick skin. It is hard to offend anyone unless you are really trying.:yep:
Usually it is just a difference of opinion and we all have our opinions. Mine does coincide with yours by the way.
I run car tires on my car, truck tires on my truck and motorcycle tires on my motorcycles.
The only reason I would even consider a car tire on the bike is to save money. But I can afford to buy a set of tires or two each riding season.
No you guys I have never ridden a bike with car tires so don't ask. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/ornwink.gifAs always thanks a dirty diaper load for your condescending two pennies Mr. Too rich to have car tires on his motorcycle(S) smarty pants.:wtf: :tehe:

We need an icon that holds his little nose in the air. :D

[Monkeyman]

Looks like the Can Am has car tires from the factory and it's considered a motorcycle. Just saying.

[Jesus Freak]

Can I just add a couple of things... When I first started reasearching the "Dark Side" tire I found that a lot of Gold Wing riders were very happy with these CT's. My thought is and was most of these guys aren't just doing this to save money, so there must be something else there worth checking out... Have you seen the price of a new Wing with air bags, ABS brakes, DVD and foot massager? I don't think most of these guys really care if they save a couple hundred dollars on tires every now and then.... Also my policy is never put stock in paid reviews if you don't know exactly who is paying (influencing) the reviewer. So if I ride on a car tire I'm riding on the Dark Side..... So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike??? Who knew Momma raised such a rebel!

[twowheeladdict]

Can I just add a couple of things... When I first started reasearching the "Dark Side" tire I found that a lot of Gold Wing riders were very happy with these CT's. My thought is and was most of these guys aren't just doing this to save money, so there must be something else there worth checking out... Have you seen the price of a new Wing with air bags, ABS brakes, DVD and foot massager? I don't think most of these guys really care if they save a couple hundred dollars on tires every now and then.... Also my policy is never put stock in paid reviews if you don't know exactly who is paying (influencing) the reviewer. So if I ride on a car tire I'm riding on the Dark Side..... So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike??? Who knew Momma raised such a rebel!

I believe they are doing it because they don't want to have to change tires during a trip, or prematurely change tires because they have a trip coming up. They also do it because most do not change their own tires or even pull their own wheel and they don't want to pay the service department to do it. Also, just because they own a $30,000 motorcycle doesn't mean they aren't cheap. It is that Cheapness that allowed them to buy a $30,000 motorcycle. LOL!

Twowheeladdict, what mc tire do you get 16000 miles on?

I am running the Dunlop Elite 3 160/80B16 Bias Ply on the rear and the Bridgestones that came with the bike on the front.

[Monkeyman]

So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike???

I think we all know that it would be highly foolish for anyone to run anything but motorcycle oil in a motorcycle. After all, the motorcycle manufacturers must know something about motorcycles. If you run anything other than m/c (got tired of typing out the word) oil, you'll risk voiding your warranty, blowing up your motor, trashing your transmission and ruining your radiator. Besides, you'll sound like a fool anytime you tell "others" (whoever they might be) that you're running car (or :wtf: truck!! :wtf:) oil in your m/c. That could be the craziest talk I've ever heard! NOBODY runs car oil in their bike. EVER. That's like saying you can use synthetic oil in a bike.

[mobandy78]

NEVER, EVER, EVER!!:wtf:

[cactusjack]

Looks like the Can Am has car tires from the factory and it's considered a motorcycle. Just saying.

Not everyone considers it a motorcycle. :wave:

[recumbentbob]

Not everyone considers it a motorcycle. :wave:

And with 3 wheels Car Tires are a natural.:D

3 wheels = Trike

[markclark57]

I think we all know that it would be highly foolish for anyone to run anything but motorcycle oil in a motorcycle. After all, the motorcycle manufacturers must know something about motorcycles. If you run anything other than m/c (got tired of typing out the word) oil, you'll risk voiding your warranty, blowing up your motor, trashing your transmission and ruining your radiator. Besides, you'll sound like a fool anytime you tell "others" (whoever they might be) that you're running car (or :wtf: truck!! :wtf:) oil in your m/c. That could be the craziest talk I've ever heard! NOBODY runs car oil in their bike. EVER. That's like saying you can use synthetic oil in a bike.

Dang Chris, You sound just like TC yakking on Darksiders. :lmao:

[Monkeyman]

You missed my sarcasm tags. :D

[Top Cat]

As always thanks a dirty diaper load for your condescending two pennies Mr. Too rich to have car tires on his motorcycle(S) smarty pants.:wtf: :tehe:

We need an icon that holds his little nose in the air. :D

Hey Cowhead how ya been? Always good to hear from you.:yep:

[markclark57]

You missed my sarcasm tags. :D

Not really, I was just highlighting it. :tehe: TC is ignoring us anyway. :yep:

[ringadingh]

So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike???
I don't know, But Iver never used bike oil in any of my bikes going back almost forty years, and the bikes have never blown up on me yet.
Ive been using deisel truck oil the last few years in the Nomad and a truck tire as well, plus an air horn. I think my bike has multiple personality's:D

[Kawhead]

Can I just add a couple of things... When I first started reasearching the "Dark Side" tire I found that a lot of Gold Wing riders were very happy with these CT's. My thought is and was most of these guys aren't just doing this to save money, so there must be something else there worth checking out... Have you seen the price of a new Wing with air bags, ABS brakes, DVD and foot massager? I don't think most of these guys really care if they save a couple hundred dollars on tires every now and then.... Also my policy is never put stock in paid reviews if you don't know exactly who is paying (influencing) the reviewer. So if I ride on a car tire I'm riding on the Dark Side..... So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike??? Who knew Momma raised such a rebel!I just ain't never thought about the fact that I run synthetic truck oil in my beloved Nomad. It just pisses me off that its not obvious so I can see some folkses eyes roll about it! >:( It warms my big heart like illegal distilled spirits warms my chest.:cheers:

[mweaver]

As has been said elsewhere, Pleasing all the people ain't possible, Pissing them all off is a piece of cake.

Mike, There are good lawyers (I have one) who work on real cases for real people.
POS lawyers are the ones who think they ARE the only definition of legal. They take money without right for unjust causes by bending corrupt courts.
Now which one is your son? (depending on your answer) Then why would you (or he) be offended?


Mark, if you read my post, I didn't say "I" was offended, but there
may be lawyers on this forum who were.
The point is that one should not disparage others just because
their views do not support our own.

As for my son, you can check him out at www.weavertidmorelaw.com/firmoverview/ (http://www.weavertidmorelaw.com/firmoverview/) (click attorneys)
and decide for yourself.

P.S. "That's all I've got to say about that." (re: Forrest Gump)

[blowndodge]

It IS amusing that those who totally disagree about running a CT on their motorcycle still chime in on a thread devoted to those that do run them and are asking what size, air pressure, brand... etc...

There must be a word in the English language that describes such a person that comments on topics not pertaining the them whatsoever and/or their belief system but must get if off their chest for all to hear!!!!! "Butinskies"??

[Top Cat]

I just ain't never thought about the fact that I run synthetic truck oil in my beloved Nomad. It just pisses me off that its not obvious so I can see some folkses eyes roll about it! >:( It warms my big heart like illegal distilled spirits warms my chest.:cheers:
You could put a huge decal of the brand oil on each saddlebag.
Stating it was truck oil. :yep:

[twowheeladdict]

So what am I called if I don't use motorcycle oil in my bike???

If you use oil with friction modifiers you will be called that guy who wonders why his clutch is slipping because he put the wrong oil in his bike.
Yes, I have read many posts about the 'wet' clutch slipping and they didn't know why and it started after they changed their own oil.

[twowheeladdict]

It IS amusing that those who totally disagree about running a CT on their motorcycle still chime in on a thread devoted to those that do run them and are asking what size, air pressure, brand... etc...

There must be a word in the English language that describes such a person that comments on topics not pertaining the them whatsoever and/or their belief system but must get if off their chest for all to hear!!!!! "Butinskies"??

Did you read the first post? The guy pointed out two opposing views in order to start a conversation. I must say that there were some insightful responses on this thread instead of the same 'ol Darkside is the greatest thing since sliced bread and you won't even know you'ved changed tires that I have read on other forums posted by guys trying to lure others to the "darkside" :lmao:

[Kawhead]

Did you read the first post? The guy pointed out two opposing views in order to start a conversation. I must say that there were some insightful responses on this thread instead of the same 'ol Darkside is the greatest thing since sliced bread and you won't even know you'ved changed tires that I have read on other forums posted by guys trying to lure others to the "darkside" :lmao:Come to the Darkside, we have cookies and easy women.:D

[Top Cat]

It IS amusing that those who totally disagree about running a CT on their motorcycle still chime in on a thread devoted to those that do run them and are asking what size, air pressure, brand... etc...


Just to refresh your lacking memory Brad. This is the first sentence in the original post to this thread. :D

I don't know which side of fence I am on, but read all the CT threads and hope to make a decision before I need a new tire on my Vaq.

To me that means he is still lookin' for opinions. As you know, I am not shy about giving mine.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/ornwink.gif

[Kawhead]

You could put a huge decal of the brand oil on each saddlebag.
Stating it was truck oil. :yep:
Good idea! :hmm:
Or I can take a pic of my garage showing empty Rotella jugs laying all over hells creation and show folks.:shrug:

[Top Cat]

Good idea! :hmm:
Or I can take a pic of my garage showing empty Rotella jugs laying all over hells creation and show folks.:shrug:
Yeah that is a better idea.:yep:
You don't want huge decals on the bike that would look tacky.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/eek7.gif
Oh, and after you take the pic clean up the damn garage.:lol:

[twowheeladdict]

Come to the Darkside, we have cookies and easy women.:D

Now if you would have only replaced one of those with Ice Cream. :shrug: I might be tempted.

[blowndodge]

Tim, TWA, is it better to ask people who have tried and ridden on a CT than to ask the opinions of other's that have no experience.......??? Really?? :hmm:

[waterman]

You have to remember, Tim likes to live a sheltered life.

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZ6lgSmUeQTWwfJEqryOugQjtgtafRX hofyQIkPxN-jyFlIvTO

[Top Cat]

Tim, TWA, is it better to ask people who have tried and ridden on a CT than to ask the opinions of other's that have no experience.......??? Really?? :hmm:
Good thinkin' Brad. I never thought of it that way. I will stay off darkside threads from now on. :yep:

[Top Cat]

You have to remember, Tim likes to live a sheltered life.

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZ6lgSmUeQTWwfJEqryOugQjtgtafRX hofyQIkPxN-jyFlIvTO

Joel, where the hell did you get that pic of me.
Damn paparazzi lookin' in my windows again. >:

[Loafer]

I have no experience with a CT on a MC. I like the way they look. And from what I have read they last a lot longer. Just a matter of getting used to the way it will handle. Someone said it was probably no different then getting off one MC brand and getting onto another MC brand. They will handle differently. Caution should be used for the first few hundred miles, if I read it correctly. It's your MC do what you wish.

[toy4bob]

Well, I am giving it serious thought, and I do appreciate everyone's input...at least my thread didn't get closed here. I am leaning toward giving it a try if I can find a way to get it down around here, and what size would be best for the Vaq.

I assume the same tire / size that fit the latest Voyagers will fit the Vaquero, no difference in the rear? BTW, my head mechanic (my 21 yr old son) thinks I am nuts, so I have that hurdle LOL

Thanks everyone!

PS: ummm, pass the cookies, and ummm easy women :)

[markclark57]

Good thinkin' Brad. I never thought of it that way. I will stay off darkside threads from now on. :yep:

Oh NO! :ohno: Who will we tease? :???:

[markclark57]

I have no experience with a CT on a MC. I like the way they look. And from what I have read they last a lot longer. Just a matter of getting used to the way it will handle. Someone said it was probably no different then getting off one MC brand and getting onto another MC brand. They will handle differently. Caution should be used for the first few hundred miles, if I read it correctly. It's your MC do what you wish.

Now where have I heard that before? :???: Just kidding, I didn't say "Probably" though. I currently ride 3 different motorcycles (my Nomad, Patricia's Boulevard, my friend's H-D Heritage Soft tail) in addition to motorcycles I've owned in the past. Based on my own experience alone, there is less difference in ride with my Nomad before and after Darkside than there is in riding different models. :tup: Big difference is in the traction, especially for quick stops.

[twowheeladdict]

Tim, TWA, is it better to ask people who have tried and ridden on a CT than to ask the opinions of other's that have no experience.......??? Really?? :hmm:

I have no personal experience, but I would love the opportunity to give it a try. I already know that I won't care for the way it handles, but would like the tire longevity. How do I know I wouldn't like the way it handles before I even try it? Because of the honest opinions of those who have tried it. I like all my bikes to feel like my sport bikes feel. I like them to ride on rails, transition from turn to turn with no wag in the middle. I like them to not be affected by road imperfections. My life is riding on two strips of rubber and there are already too many variables that have to be taken care of to survive the ride.

A person who only has one bike might get used to the way that bike rides with a Car Tire, Ape Hangers, lowered suspension, etc. Since I jump from bike to bike in the same day I like consistancy and responsiveness.

Now, if someone would be willing to send me the appropriate size car tire for my Nomad I would be willing to conduct a series of objective experiments with a few of my buddies, publish my results and send you the tire back when I am done. Any of you Car Tire guys up to the challenge?

[markclark57]

Shipping both ways + mounting etc. costs more than most CT's. Pretty thin Challenge. BTW I ride more than one motorcycle in the same day on a regular basis. What was your point again? Oh yea, FREE rubber . . .

[blowndodge]

So let me get this straight, send you a car tire so we can all have your expert "series of objective experiments" so we all can continue or discontinue using one or convince you on the merits? I know I'll sleep better!

I think I'll pass!!

But really thanks for the offer!! :yep::lmao:

[Jared]

I have no personal experience, but I would love the opportunity to give it a try. I already know that I won't care for the way it handles, but would like the tire longevity. How do I know I wouldn't like the way it handles before I even try it? Because of the honest opinions of those who have tried it. I like all my bikes to feel like my sport bikes feel. I like them to ride on rails, transition from turn to turn with no wag in the middle. I like them to not be affected by road imperfections. My life is riding on two strips of rubber and there are already too many variables that have to be taken care of to survive the ride.

A person who only has one bike might get used to the way that bike rides with a Car Tire, Ape Hangers, lowered suspension, etc. Since I jump from bike to bike in the same day I like consistancy and responsiveness.

Now, if someone would be willing to send me the appropriate size car tire for my Nomad I would be willing to conduct a series of objective experiments with a few of my buddies, publish my results and send you the tire back when I am done. Any of you Car Tire guys up to the challenge?


Aren't there thousands of people who have already done this experiment, but just the other way around?

[twowheeladdict]

Aren't there thousands of people who have already done this experiment, but just the other way around?

I don't know anyone who rides sport bikes that has done this experiment.

[twowheeladdict]

Shipping both ways + mounting etc. costs more than most CT's. Pretty thin Challenge. BTW I ride more than one motorcycle in the same day on a regular basis. What was your point again? Oh yea, FREE rubber . . .

What is your other bike? Not another cruiser is it? BTW I mount my own tires. It would be $20 to ship each way. Been there done that with motorcycle tires.

So let me get this straight, send you a car tire so we can all have your expert "series of objective experiments" so we all can continue or discontinue using one or convince you on the merits? I know I'll sleep better!

I think I'll pass!!

But really thanks for the offer!! :yep::lmao:

Hey, it was worth a shot.

[Monkeyman]

When the 1800 GWs first came out, they were called "flickable" (their word, not mine) by the bike mag doing the test. Let's CSI this statement. Wingers use CTs. Wings are "flickable" (very sports-like word). Therefore, CTs can be done well on "flickable" bikes.

[MAS Tequila]

I don't know anyone who rides sport bikes that has done this experiment.

Here you go newbie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhkCA_JwJM&feature=related

[Monkeyman]

Found some more stuff...YouTube this: "Deals Gap on a Goldwind by Yellow Wolf Dragons Tail". That should be a Wing doing the Dragons Tail (CT or not). Just shows how "sporty" it can be.

CTs aren't just for Vulcans, either. It's pretty popular with the Valk guys (and gals).

Here's an site with some more info (pro-Darkside). http://lifeisaroad.com/stories/2004/10/27/theDarkSide.html

I'm the most paranoid person in the world (or at least on this forum). I freely admit it. I still plan on putting a CT on the back next time I need it changed (probably before spring but by the middle of summer at least).

[dank]

The U-tube of the darkside Rocket is interesting. I'm not opposed to CT's and might have one if I had kept my Nomad, but clearly in that film the rider's line through many of the tighter corners shifts radically as the tire moves up onto the side. Not implying it is dangerous or reason to avoid CT's but the handling is definitely different (Must feel like the stock Bridgestones on the Nomad when the side wall flexed half way through corners).

[twowheeladdict]

Here you go newbie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhkCA_JwJM&feature=related

Before you even see the video you know the guy don't know how to ride. He is hanging over the yellow line. The rocket ain't no sport bike either.

After watching the video I see that those guys should get a copy of "Total Control" by Lee Parks and "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hough and learn how to ride a proper line through the turns.

I'll admit that he sure did lean that bike over, but it did look like the rear of the stepped to the side when the following camera was close enough to see anything

[twowheeladdict]

When the 1800 GWs first came out, they were called "flickable" (their word, not mine) by the bike mag doing the test. Let's CSI this statement. Wingers use CTs. Wings are "flickable" (very sports-like word). Therefore, CTs can be done well on "flickable" bikes.

I have had conversations with several Goldwing riders who have car tires on the back of the bike. They all have admitted to me that the main reason that they went to the car tire was that they didn't want to spend the $ on motorcycle tires and labor rates. They also admitted that it took getting used to and that they don't tear up the curves anyway.

[blowndodge]

Half the guys on this board can't ride as good as that guy on the Rocket.. The Voyager ain't no sport bike either...

I look at car tires this way... This guys that use them are cruisers that don't pretend to be then Kenny Roberts wannabe's in the twisties trying to show off. We've all been there and done that and came out alive.

We let the Squids pretend they know how to exploit a BMW RR1000 to it fullest... Guys that ride sportbikes 70mph through a turn marked 30 are IDIOTS that are breaking the law...probably trying to make up for the lack of a johnson and doing that makes them feel manly... No thanks....

[ringadingh]

Most average riders, don't come close to riding a bike near its full potential, and a car tire is more than adequate for their style of riding on a touring bike or cruiser.I agree with everything you said Brad, except for the part about faster riders lacking a johnson.:yep: Gotta blame the gene pool for that problem.:D

[twowheeladdict]

Half the guys on this board can't ride as good as that guy on the Rocket.. The Voyager ain't no sport bike either...

I look at car tires this way... This guys that use them are cruisers that don't pretend to be then Kenny Roberts wannabe's in the twisties trying to show off. We've all been there and done that and came out alive.

We let the Squids pretend they know how to exploit a BMW RR1000 to it fullest... Guys that ride sportbikes 70mph through a turn marked 30 are IDIOTS that are breaking the law...probably trying to make up for the lack of a johnson and doing that makes them feel manly... No thanks....

The Voyager definitely ain't no sport bike. That is for sure. But it can be made to handle more responsively and predictable with suspension upgrades, setting the proper static sag, rebound damping for the road conditions and a good set of Rubbers.

One thing I always tell the guys on the Sport Bike forums is that if you take a sport bike and a Cruiser / touring bike and you ride down the same road at the same speed it takes more skill to ride the Cruiser / touring bike. So, even when you are riding the speed limit, the better you can make your cruiser / touring bike handle the easier it is to keep yourself out of trouble and avoid trouble when you encounter it.

BTW: The bikes in my signature aren't the only bikes I own. Just thought they would be the only ones guys on here would be interested in.

[dank]

Well said, Brad. :tup:

[blowndodge]

Most average riders, don't come close to riding a bike near its full potential, and a car tire is more than adequate for their style of riding on a touring bike or cruiser.I agree with everything you said Brad, except for the part about faster riders lacking a johnson.:yep: Gotta blame the gene pool for that problem.:D

You must be really pissed off at your parents Steve! :lmao:

sorry, couldn't resist!! :tehe:

[markclark57]

I have no personal experience, but I would love the opportunity to give it a try. . . . I would be willing to conduct a series of objective experiments with a few of my buddies, publish my results and send you the tire back when I am done. Any of you Car Tire guys up to the challenge?

Your statements don't seem to line up. :tehe: Neither do your questions given the experience and expertise that you seem to portray.

Make a habit of getting into a thread on the first page and reading through you will avoid questions that have been previously answered.

If you really want to "experiment" with the Darkside. :???: Get a CT from a used tire dealer that still has legal tread and no cupping. Since you do your own swap outs, it should only cost you about the $20.00 you offered up for your side of the "challenge". :P

[ringadingh]

The Voyager definitely ain't no sport bike. That is for sure. But it can be made to handle more responsively and predictable with suspension upgrades, setting the proper static sag, rebound damping for the road conditions and a good set of Rubbers.

One thing I always tell the guys on the Sport Bike forums is that if you take a sport bike and a Cruiser / touring bike and you ride down the same road at the same speed it takes more skill to ride the Cruiser / touring bike. So, even when you are riding the speed limit, the better you can make your cruiser / touring bike handle the easier it is to keep yourself out of trouble and avoid trouble when you encounter it.

BTW: The bikes in my signature aren't the only bikes I own. Just thought they would be the only ones guys on here would be interested in.
I agree, you do have to work or focus a bit more on a cruiser verses a sport bike, but most, not all riders of the riders I see on the cruisers could be followed with a lawn tractor.
The same goes for 99% of the people that own a Corvette or Mustang GT, if they ever had a ride in their own car with a guy that knows how to drive it to its potential they'd crap their pants.:yep:

[ringadingh]

You must be really pissed off at your parents Steve! :lmao:

sorry, couldn't resist!! :tehe:

I got over it!:tup:

[twowheeladdict]

Your statements don't seem to line up. :tehe: Neither do your questions given the experience and expertise that you seem to portray.

Make a habit of getting into a thread on the first page and reading through you will avoid questions that have been previously answered.

If you really want to "experiment" with the Darkside. :???: Get a CT from a used tire dealer that still has legal tread and no cupping. Since you do your own swap outs, it should only cost you about the $20.00 you offered up for your side of the "challenge". :P

I think I just might have to do that so I can say, "Yes I have tried a Car Tire on my bike" and shut up some of the folks that say unless you have tried it you shouldn't be posting here. :yep: The Nomad will get a change sometime this summer I'm sure.

[blowndodge]

A challenge!!! now that's what I like!!

[waterman]

I think I just might have to do that so I can say, "Yes I have tried a Car Tire on my bike" and shut up some of the folks that say unless you have tried it you shouldn't be posting here. :yep: The Nomad will get a change sometime this summer I'm sure.

Hopefully you go into the change with a better attitude. I would go into the change with the attitude "If I like it, I like it. If I don't, I don't" and don't worry about those comments. Good luck and you might be surprised by the results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc

[markclark57]

I think I just might have to do that so I can say, "Yes I have tried a Car Tire on my bike" and shut up some of the folks that say unless you have tried it you shouldn't be posting here. :yep: The Nomad will get a change sometime this summer I'm sure. :lol:

I realize that you are new from your post count. :hmm:

It's highly unlikely that your lone opinion after your "spite ride" will shut anything. Darkside is just a subject that we like to disagree on. Usually the same folks with their same views on each side of each thread. The "after spite ride" comments you will inspire will probably amount to, "If you don't like it, don't do it!"

Thinking that you will change the mind of others with your personal opinion makes me think that you should be a politician. :tehe:

The PRO Darksiders have decades of time and many thousands of miles behind their choice.
The ANTI Darksiders do not and will not accept that (Car = Good) anything for a motorcycle.
It would be easier to get a lifetime Republican to vote for Obama. But, good luck changing the world. . . :lmao:

[mobandy78]

:lol:

I realize that you are new from your post count. :hmm:

It's highly unlikely that your lone opinion after your "spite ride" will shut anything. Darkside is just a subject that we like to disagree on. Usually the same folks with their same views on each side of each thread. The "after spite ride" comments you will inspire will probably amount to, "If you don't like it, don't do it!"

Thinking that you will change the mind of others with your personal opinion makes me think that you should be a politician. :tehe:

The PRO Darksiders have decades of time and many thousands of miles behind their choice.
The ANTI Darksiders do not and will not accept that (Car = Good) anything for a motorcycle.
It would be easier to get a lifetime Republican to vote for Obama. But, good luck changing the world. . . :lmao:

Preach it, brother! I agree with ya!:lmao::lol:

[coacha]

Come to the Darkside, we have cookies and easy women.:D

Hey watch it there my friend, Taminator may read this! :D

[waterman]

Hey watch it there my friend, Taminator may read this! :D

Just put chocolate exlax on his next smore!!!!:wtf::tehe::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[twowheeladdict]

:lol:

I realize that you are new from your post count. :hmm:

It's highly unlikely that your lone opinion after your "spite ride" will shut anything. Darkside is just a subject that we like to disagree on. Usually the same folks with their same views on each side of each thread. The "after spite ride" comments you will inspire will probably amount to, "If you don't like it, don't do it!"

Thinking that you will change the mind of others with your personal opinion makes me think that you should be a politician. :tehe:

The PRO Darksiders have decades of time and many thousands of miles behind their choice.
The ANTI Darksiders do not and will not accept that (Car = Good) anything for a motorcycle.
It would be easier to get a lifetime Republican to vote for Obama. But, good luck changing the world. . . :lmao:

Oh I don't think I will change anyones mind. I just want to shut up those who say. "Well have you ever tried darkside?" and I am not talking about this forum. There is another forum where the moderators are quite touchy.

I got thinking about this subject more and how you said it was different like many bikes are different and I realized that some of the bikes I have demo'd are different. The Victory High Ball and the Victory Hammer S are very different. They are designed with form over function. The Victory High Ball has a fat front tire and ape hangers. It takes a lot of concentration to ride that bike through the curves. Just not a balanced machine, but it sure was cool! The Hammer S has this huge wide tire on the back. It took extra effort to put it into a turn and keep it there. I'm guessing the car tire will feel like this.

When journalists are reviewing a motorcycle one of the terms they use is Neutral Handling. Those two Victorys definitely did not have neutral handling.

[blowndodge]

Plus a big car, in my case, truck tire sure looks cool and brings out the lookers at the Rock Store..

I ride with "Dave" a lot and he has a HD Ultra and after I put my truck tire on he rode it in the mountains and when we stopped he said, as only he can put it, "I'll be darn, I don't notice hardly any difference." The softness on freeways and rough roads he noticed a drastic reduction in bumps. My girlfriend and I rode his Ultra double and when we stopped after 30 minutes she said "his bike runs a lot rougher, I felt every bump".. Not in a bad way but she definitely noticed it as I did to from the pilots seat.

[markclark57]

Given the decision again with our new circumstances, I might have gone with Brad's tire over my current GYTT. As a daily commuter in the wet Seattle I was looking for all the traction I could get.

Point is, different area, different needs, different tire, different performance. The GYTT will probably last me for years to come. I know that one of anything isn't always the right answer. I'm Darkside for life, but open to improvements. :tup:

[Rasta]

Plus a big car, in my case, truck tire sure looks cool and brings out the lookers at the Rock Store..

I ride with "Dave" a lot and he has a HD Ultra and after I put my truck tire on he rode it in the mountains and when we stopped he said, as only he can put it, "I'll be darn, I don't notice hardly any difference." The softness on freeways and rough roads he noticed a drastic reduction in bumps. My girlfriend and I rode his Ultra double and when we stopped after 30 minutes she said "his bike runs a lot rougher, I felt every bump".. Not in a bad way but she definitely noticed it as I did to from the pilots seat.

What size and make of a truck tire are you using Brad?

[blowndodge]

What size and make of a truck tire are you using Brad?

185/75/16 2 inches taller than stock puts the speedometer almost a right on the money

[Monkeyman]

bRowndodge (aka Brad) --- Do you have a pic of the tire on your bike? Trying to compare it to a "normal" (:D) CT. Thanks.

[markclark57]

BD, If you post a new pic of your tire it would be interesting to know how many miles are on it too. :yep:

[Rasta]

BD, If you post a new pic of your tire it would be interesting to know how many miles are on it too. :yep:
+1 and would like to know the make too.Thanks!

[Loafer]

Brad, would you take a photo of your truck tire today and post it for us, so we can compare it to a new one and BTW how many miles are on it?

[markclark57]

Brad, would you take a photo of your truck tire today and post it for us, so we can compare it to a new one and BTW how many miles are on it?

BTW did you just press that shirt? :???: :lmao:

[markclark57]

Toy4bob, See what you started! :lmao:

[blowndodge]

think of a truck think of a tire it looks just like that

[markclark57]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[markclark57]

BD, you forgot to capitalize and punctuate . . . It's not usually that easy to get you upset. :lol:

[blowndodge]

It looks just like a motorcycle tire, only different? :hmm::cheers:

[mweaver]

think of a truck think of a tire it looks just like that



When I think of a truck tire, I think of a Kenworth tire.:???::???::???:


Mike

[toy4bob]

Toy4bob, See what you started! :lmao:

I do what I can.... at this point I just want to see a picture of the truck tire :)

[markclark57]

When I think of a truck tire, I think of a Kenworth tire.:???::???::???:


Mike

So what is the rim size on one of those? :???:

[mweaver]

So what is the rim size on one of those? :???:


Those would be 11.00 X 24.5 Need a BIG M/C for one of those,huh?

Mike

[markclark57]

So what is the rim size on one of those? :???:

Those would be 11.00 X 24.5 Need a BIG M/C for one of those,huh?

Mike

That would definitely change your ride hight. :lol:

[Monkeyman]

think of a truck think of a tire it looks just like that

It looks just like a motorcycle tire, only different? :hmm::cheers:

When I think of a truck tire, I think of the 31s on my Blazer. Tall, wide, VERY squared off. I can't picture that on a bike. If you don't want to post a pic, simply say so.

[Top Cat]

Brad is just being Brad.
He used to have the pic of his truck tire in his avatar awhile back.
It wasn't that impressive. Looked like a 6" wide, flat on the bottom tire made out of rubber. :shrug:
Not to hard to imagine :P

Oh crap, I forgot, I am going to stay off darkside threads :tehe: later :wave:

[ringadingh]

They are more of a van tire,rather than a truck. I have one as well, looks just like a car tire to me.

[markclark57]

After about 60K miles or so when I finally wear out the GYTT, I might get a trailer tire just to get TC's OHMYGOSH going. :lol:

[dank]

Ease up on Brad, guys. He doesn't want to post an updated picture because you can still see the chalk on the tire.

[markclark57]

Ease up on Brad, guys. He doesn't want to post an updated picture because you can still see the chalk on the tire.

:ohno: Nope, that was already gone by the Crescent City Rally. He probable doesn't want anyone to know his mileage. :hmm: Silk shirts aren't the only "GQ" at Brads house. :lol:

[blowndodge]

What a "captive" audience I have!! :tehe: My tire is a 185/75/16 LT tire. Now unless someone else has contrary info I believe the "LT" stands for "Light Truck" tire. There, I just said so...

yours truely

bRowndodge [sic]

[Monkeyman]

Brad --- What brand/model? I'd like to look it up to see what it looks like.

[blowndodge]

Continental Vanco 8

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb210/blowndodge/Tire.jpg

[Top Cat]

Just as I suspected a 6" wide, flat on the bottom tire made out of rubber:zzz:

[markclark57]

Continental Vanco 8

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb210/blowndodge/Tire.jpg

Just as I suspected a 6" wide, flat on the bottom tire made out of rubber:zzz:

TC has a different definition of "flat" than most folks . . . Except maybe Christopher Columbus :lmao:

[Top Cat]

TC has a different definition of "flat" than most folks . . . Except maybe Christopher Columbus :lmao:

I said flat on the bottom. The picture is of the top. Put that on the Nomad with the low pressure you guys run and I bet it is flat on the bottom. :yep:

[mobandy78]

Just as I suspected a 6" wide, flat on the bottom made out of rubber:zzz:

We're still talking about car tires, correct? :hmm: :lmao:

[Top Cat]

We're still talking about car tires, correct? :hmm: :lmao:

I can't wait for Brad's response to that.:ohno:

[Monkeyman]

Brad --- Have you ever had something similar to a GYTT on your bike (or ridden one like it)? Just wondering what the difference in traction and ride was between the 2.

[blowndodge]

no....

[markclark57]

I said flat on the bottom. The picture is of the top. Put that on the Nomad with the low pressure you guys run and I bet it is flat on the bottom. :yep:

Your motorcycle tire is flat right at the bottom too. Difference is that my GYTT has 6" of road contact with the same weight as your motorcycle tire with 2" of contact. I don't NEED 42 psi to hold me up in the corners. :lmao:

[twowheeladdict]

Your motorcycle tire is flat right at the bottom too. Difference is that my GYTT has 6" of road contact with the same weight as your motorcycle tire with 2" of contact. I don't NEED 42 psi to hold me up in the corners. :lmao:

6" of contact when sitting at a light. What about when leaned over and scrapin hard parts?:hmm:

[Rasta]

Just ordered my CT....might be here in a week or so!! Going to be interesting!!

[markclark57]

6" of contact when sitting at a light. What about when leaned over and scrapin hard parts?:hmm:

In a hard corner I still have the 2" road contact that a motorcycle tire has, but it's enough higher that I don't scrape the pipes or boards. Meanwhile back at the facts . . . If either one of us locks up the brakes on a hard corner we go down. If we both lock up the brakes in a straight line I stop 20-30% sooner and safer. :yep:

YMMV

[ringadingh]

6" of contact when sitting at a light. What about when leaned over and scrapin hard parts?:hmm:
Leaning through corners has never been a problem, I am able to take the cloverleaf ramp onto the highway here at the same 40mph I did with the bike tires. I have had it leaning until my pal behind me saw sparks coming off the bike a few times. It felt good in the rain, and I ran it in the cold right into November last year when I put the bike away for winter.

[lonewolf]

I researched for months, and what finally made me go to the Darkside was a video someone had showing the contact patch thru curves. dont know where to even find that video again, its probably on youtube. been riding darkside for 3 years now and havent regretted my decision once.

[Jesus Freak]

:lol:I felt much safer tonight to have that extra few inches of contact on my DS tire as I pulled my first mini wheelie!

[markclark57]

:lol:I felt much safer tonight to have that extra few inches of contact on my DS tire as I pulled my first mini wheelie!

On a Nomad??? :hmm: When I jump on it hard mine goes "Chirp-Zoom" but both wheels stay in contact with the road. I figured it would take one of Idaho's jack adapters to get a Nomad off the ground. :cheers:

[Monkeyman]

You don't have to use one of Idahos Jack Adapters http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20741 to get your bike off the ground. Any jack will do that. But keeping it off the ground (from the top of that same jack) is MUCH easier (and safer) with an Idahos Jack Adapter.

[Jesus Freak]

On a Nomad??? :hmm: When I jump on it hard mine goes "Chirp-Zoom" but both wheels stay in contact with the road. I figured it would take one of Idaho's jack adapters to get a Nomad off the ground. :cheers:

Ok Mark, maybe the front tire didn't really come off the ground...:tup: But I know that the front shocks were a lot longer that normal! :yep:

[mobandy78]

6" of contact when sitting at a light. What about when leaned over and scrapin hard parts?:hmm:

I've scraped some hard parts with the c/t on... not sure I would try to do it again though. That was a pretty aggressive lean!!

I had recently road with a guy that I've never met before that day (friend of a friend), and he was following me through some twisties and commented afterward that we was really impressed & shocked at how much the tire flexed and kept a footprint going through the turns. I've had it on for a year and haven't regretted it, either.

[coacha]

I do wheelies all the time on my Nomad...of course it is because it is over loaded.

[markclark57]

There's GOLD in them thar bags . . .

[Rotorboy]

So I have Two questions for you Darksiders.
First, what do you think of these two tires for Tucson, AZ year round driving;
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?tc=BRIHHC&c=1&rcz=85739&pc=25754&ar=55&rf=true&cf=false&rd=16&sw=false&rc=AZTINT&cs=195
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=G-MAX+AS-03&partnum=955VR6GMAS03&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
I am not sure if this is the kind of tread pattern I should be looking for.

Second question is; Should it be Darkside (one word) or Dark Side (two words)?

[waterman]

So I have Two questions for you Darksiders.
First, what do you think of these two tires for Tucson, AZ year round driving;
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?tc=BRIHHC&c=1&rcz=85739&pc=25754&ar=55&rf=true&cf=false&rd=16&sw=false&rc=AZTINT&cs=195
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=G-MAX+AS-03&partnum=955VR6GMAS03&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
I am not sure if this is the kind of tread pattern I should be looking for.

Second question is; Should it be Darkside (one word) or Dark Side (two words)?

Either tire like it would work fine. And it is the DARKSIDE.:D

[waterman]

Saw this on another forum (Darkside of course). Look at all those flat rear tires.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/boomalai/bikes/76runjc.jpg

[Pitchinguy]

So I have Two questions for you Darksiders.
First, what do you think of these two tires for Tucson, AZ year round driving;
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?tc=BRIHHC&c=1&rcz=85739&pc=25754&ar=55&rf=true&cf=false&rd=16&sw=false&rc=AZTINT&cs=195
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=G-MAX+AS-03&partnum=955VR6GMAS03&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes
I am not sure if this is the kind of tread pattern I should be looking for.

Second question is; Should it be Darkside (one word) or Dark Side (two words)?

Looks to me like the Gmax has a little more aggressive pattern on the edges offering more edges for better gripping, particularly on wet surfaces. I really don't know if there's enough difference there to make a difference, but I might lean towards the Gmax because of that.........

[Rotorboy]

Opps. I forgot the CAPS LOCK. Next question would be;
If you were to put a CT on the front of an '06 Nomad, what size would it have to be? This is just a curiosity.

[waterman]

If you were to put a CT on the front of an '06 Nomad, what size would it have to be? This is just a curiosity.

I wouldn't.

[Rotorboy]

Im not going to. I just can't find a converter that would figure it for me. Like I said, it is just a curiosity. I Think I am going to pull the trigger on the Bridgestone Potenza G 109 Grid in 195/55R16. All the other tires I have had recommended are all very similar to it, but the Bridgestone is made in the USA.:tup:

[cactusjack]

Im not going to. I just can't find a converter that would figure it for me. Like I said, it is just a curiosity. I Think I am going to pull the trigger on the Bridgestone Potenza G 109 Grid in 195/55R16. All the other tires I have had recommended are all very similar to it, but the Bridgestone is made in the USA.:tup:

I hope their car tires are better than their POS motorcycle tires.

[markclark57]

Im not going to. I just can't find a converter that would figure it for me. Like I said, it is just a curiosity. I Think I am going to pull the trigger on the Bridgestone Potenza G 109 Grid in 195/55R16. All the other tires I have had recommended are all very similar to it, but the Bridgestone is made in the USA.:tup:

You might want to go 195/65-16 if available. The 55 is going to sit lower and throw your speedo off even more. More to the point, make it YOUR choice and enjoy the ride.

[blowndodge]

make it YOUR choice

Oh sure.... Just because you worked at Burger King

[markclark57]

Oh sure.... Just because you worked at Burger King

:tehe: that was "have it your way". I've eaten at a few of them though . . . :yep:

[Rotorboy]

You might want to go 195/65-16 if available. The 55 is going to sit lower and throw your speedo off even more. More to the point, make it YOUR choice and enjoy the ride.

From my research, a 195/60-16 would be my best choice for the speedo, but they don't have one and I have a speedo corrector thingy. (forgot the brand but have the instructions on file) I'm doing all I can to make it my choice, but with no point of reference other than other people's posts and opinions, it's kind of tough to decide. Two more days of research 'til friday, then I do it.
Thanks for all your support

[Rasta]

You might want to go 195/65-16 if available. The 55 is going to sit lower and throw your speedo off even more. More to the point, make it YOUR choice and enjoy the ride.

Damm, I didnt think of that!!! 24hrs late with this info Mark since I place the order yesterday for a Hankook Ventus V4 ES Tire 195/55R16. Oh well>:

[markclark57]

With the 205/60-16 I just keep in mind to subtract 10%. i.e. 72 on the speedo = 65 on the GPS. If you don't know your own motorcycle, you shouldn't ride it in public. e.g. Patricia practiced for months after getting her M/C endorsement before she went 1 up on public roads. BTW, she's considering going Darkside when her OEM tires wear out.

[Rotorboy]

I am having trouble finding a shop in Tucson to do the work. Any suggestion? another forum lists Firestone @ Tucson Mall, but they no longer will wok on MC wheels.

[markclark57]

Look for the private and/or custom shops. The "word" is out with the Name Brands, "Don't give them what they want, give them what WE sell". They might get the hint if we all go elsewhere. :tup:

P.S. I've already dropped several $$$ @ North Valley Kawasaki in Phoenix. I'm in the market for a new wrench after finding they won't service Darksiders. :ohno:

[danimal2]

I am having trouble finding a shop in Tucson to do the work. Any suggestion? another forum lists Firestone @ Tucson Mall, but they no longer will wok on MC wheels.

I just found one in my neighborhood (Glendale) that does em without question and very inexpensively.

Like Mark said, look for the small mom and pop (non-brand) tire shops. If you can find one that sells, mounts and balances used tires only (that's what I did) would probably be your best bet.

[Rotorboy]

As of 5:47 PM, I am the owner of a new Bridgestone Potenza G019 Grid 195/55R-16. And I have found a place to mount it. Now I just have to pull the rear wheel. Looking at it sitting in the living room, it is hard to believe it will fit. See ya on the DARKSIDE very soon.

[Rasta]

I just picked my mine up too about 4hrs a go. I am going to try and mount it my self! I compared my 195/55 to 195/65 and Mark is right on how much smaller the 195/55 is! Just have to ride a lot faster than what the speedo says!!

[Rotorboy]

I would like to mount mine on my own, but I don't know how to get the old one off. I guess I could go buy a set of spoons. I have all the straps I need to get the new one on but no compressor and there is no way in hell I can pump my bike pump fast enough to get it to seat. So I am just going to take it in.

[markclark57]

I would like to mount mine on my own, but I don't know how to get the old one off. I guess I could go buy a set of spoons. I have all the straps I need to get the new one on but no compressor and there is no way in hell I can pump my bike pump fast enough to get it to seat. So I am just going to take it in.

Might want to check the forum first and then make the call next time. Phoenix is less than 2 1/2 hours from Tucson. Have compressor, will travel. Just sayin'. :shrug: Sounds like a good excuse for a ride to me. :yep:

[sharps45100]

I use a Vredestien light duty truck tire, 175/75/16. I have pushed it so far as to scrape boards, I have ridden the Dragon and my tire still has the molding nipples on the side of the tread. So that tells you that i'm not riding on the side of my tire in turns. so my contact width is not the edge of tire. It amazes me how some people can come to conclusions without do some do diligence. I went with the 175 cause (and this is my opinion) it was a little wider than stock and I felt that I would not have to put as much effort in to pushing the bike over thru a corner, as say a 195 or a 205. I maybe wrong in this assumption but I'm very happy with the tire and I have 8000 miles on it and it doesn't even look worn.

[Rasta]

185/75/16 2 inches taller than stock puts the speedometer almost a right on the money

Got this size tire (Continental Vanco-8) comiing in a couple days! I am taking the 195/55/16 back since it is a low profile tire and is a lot smaller than the stock, height wise.Thanks for your help Brad.

[blowndodge]

Glad i could help. You'll be surprised at the difference in gearing.... You'll do a lot more downshifting going up grades because 5th is higher... Take it easy in the beginning for about 500 miles then try 28lbs... Mine handles perfect and the tread is wearing (hardly) very flat and even.

[Rotorboy]

Might want to check the forum first and then make the call next time. Phoenix is less than 2 1/2 hours from Tucson. Have compressor, will travel. Just sayin'. :shrug: Sounds like a good excuse for a ride to me. :yep:

Well my friend, my planed swap date is Feb. 3rd. If you want to come down and give me a hand I will have :cheers: of your choice waiting. If you would like me to come up there, i will pick-up :cheers: of your choice on the way. down side to working here is I am on dirt. Nice level, solid dirt, but dirt all the same. Let me know.

[toy4bob]

Well, I was wishing I had a CT today, or maybe even an AT truck tire LOL. Yes, I was literally stuck in the mud...well a very soft yard anyway. Left a 20 foot 1-2 inch trench (mud half way up rear tire) before hitting more solid ground