going to the darkside

[ccmjr77]

Need a new rear tire and since I am riding about 100miles per day commuting, I decided to go with a car tire. I just purchased a Hankook H427 195/60/16. Has anyone used this tire?
I can't complain about my dunlop Elite 3, it has about 15K on it. It is a good tire, but I got a quote of $310 installed for the E3 and I would rather try the car tire. I found a shop here in Phoenix that will mount the tire for $50. Once the tire arrives and I get it mounted, I will have less than $150 in it. Hopefully I will like it.

[recumbentbob]

I run a 196-60-16 bridgestone turanza on my 2008 Nomad. Love the tire.

What bike do you have??

Go here and look at the tire data base to see what others have done.

also use this calculator to compare that tire with the factory rear tire.

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos

I personally would NOT run a 50 series tire on a Nomad.

here is a good link lots of ready.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding

Bob

[ccmjr77]

I personally would NOT run a 50 series tire on a Nomad.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/DarkSiding

Bob

My bad. a typo, it is a 195/60/16, fixed original post.

My bike is a 2007 Nomad 1600

[recumbentbob]

My bad. a typo, it is a 195/60/16, fixed original post.

My bike is a 2007 Nomad 1600

That is a good size for the Nomad. It will give you plenty of clearance between the tire and the drive shaft housing.

[ponch]

From Metzler:


Hello

Thanks for the e-mail. There are always misconceptions about tires that never seem to go away. It seems that many people think tires are simply a universal product and they can be randomly use in any application and as the consumer see fits. This of course is very far from the truth. The TRA (Tire and Rim Assoc.) and the ETRTO (European Tire and Rim Assoc.) set standards for the tire and rim industry to follow to guarantee safety and cohesiveness in said industry.

This means that there are specifications that must be adhered to and when you look at motorcycle and automotive wheels you will find 2 things. The first thing is the rim flange area where the tire fits to the rim, and the specifications (shape, spacing, measurements) for the automotive wheel are very different than a motorcycle wheel. Secondly is the diameter of the rim where the bottom of the bead rests. Again the diameter specification for the automotive wheel is very different than a motorcycle rim. So while you can say a 16" tire should have EXACTLY the same diameter whether it is a car tire or bike tire the truth is that they do not!

So installing a motorcycle tire on a auto rim or a automotive tire on a motorcycle rim would be unsafe and a catastrophic failure could happen during the installation or during use. Obviously the answer to the question is that NO motorcycle tire company can do what you ask because the industry's strict design and safety standards will not allow it.

With this in mind we do not think we need to go into detail about the idea of incorrectly using a flat profile automotive tire on a vehicle that leans through a corner like a motorcycle does. We hope this helps and have a great day.

NA Metzeler Consumer Affairs
877 202-4993
www.us.metzelermoto.com


:ohno:

[blowndodge]

You put this up like CT riders care?? CT have been on motorcycle back in the pan head and shovel head days of HD... I seriously doubt we need more studies to verify if it's a safe move or not..

[cactusjack]

No automobile tire manufacturer will tell you it's okay to run a car tire on a motorcycle due to potential liability issues.

[markclark57]

From Metzler:


Hello

Thanks for the e-mail. There are always misconceptions about tires that never seem to go away. It seems that many people think tires are simply a universal product and they can be randomly use in any application and as the consumer see fits. This of course is very far from the truth. The TRA (Tire and Rim Assoc.) and the ETRTO (European Tire and Rim Assoc.) set standards for the tire and rim industry to follow to guarantee safety and cohesiveness in said industry.

This means that there are specifications that must be adhered to and when you look at motorcycle and automotive wheels you will find 2 things. The first thing is the rim flange area where the tire fits to the rim, and the specifications (shape, spacing, measurements) for the automotive wheel are very different than a motorcycle wheel. Secondly is the diameter of the rim where the bottom of the bead rests. Again the diameter specification for the automotive wheel is very different than a motorcycle rim. So while you can say a 16" tire should have EXACTLY the same diameter whether it is a car tire or bike tire the truth is that they do not!

So installing a motorcycle tire on a auto rim or a automotive tire on a motorcycle rim would be unsafe and a catastrophic failure could happen during the installation or during use. Obviously the answer to the question is that NO motorcycle tire company can do what you ask because the industry's strict design and safety standards will not allow it.

With this in mind we do not think we need to go into detail about the idea of incorrectly using a flat profile automotive tire on a vehicle that leans through a corner like a motorcycle does. We hope this helps and have a great day.

NA Metzeler Consumer Affairs
877 202-4993
www.us.metzelermoto.com


:ohno:

First let me say that I really appreciate you Jim!

Thereafter you are (by and large) readily identified as a "CT Hater" and as such your opinion on car tires (or in BD's case a truck tire) on motorcycles is greatly ignored by those of us who have thousands of satisfied miles on the tires that you hate. (even though they out perform the ones that you prefer)

More over, most of the folks that actually think for themselves can figure out that a tire manufacturer that makes a $250 tire and a $120 tire for the same application, would rather sell as many of the $250 tires as possible since they cost about the same to make.

As you continually rant on this subject, IMHO you either have never had a CT on a cruiser, or you are jealous that they won't fit on your BMW. :P

[ponch]

No automobile tire manufacturer will tell you it's okay to run a car tire on a motorcycle due to potential liability issues.

I don't think Metzler makes car tires. At least I haven't seen them in this country.

[ponch]

First let me say that I really appreciate you Jim!

Thereafter you are (by and large) readily identified as a "CT Hater" and as such your opinion on car tires (or in BD's case a truck tire) on motorcycles is greatly ignored by those of us who have thousands of satisfied miles on the tires that you hate. (even though they out perform the ones that you prefer)

More over, most of the folks that actually think for themselves can figure out that a tire manufacturer that makes a $250 tire and a $120 tire for the same application, would rather sell as many of the $250 tires as possible since they cost about the same to make.

As you continually rant on this subject, IMHO you either have never had a CT on a cruiser, or you are jealous that they won't fit on your BMW. :P

Mark:
I am not a hater. My only point is that beyond cost and longevity, the reasoning to use them starts to get fantastical and counterfactual. I can understand frugality and I even participate in it. That said, I'd never put a car tire on the beemer unless I was running a side car. Then it makes sense as it changes how the bike is used/handles.

I wish you many miles and smiles on the Nomad and keep the shiny side up!:tup:

[ponch]

You put this up like CT riders care?? CT have been on motorcycle back in the pan head and shovel head days of HD... I seriously doubt we need more studies to verify if it's a safe move or not..

As usual you are correct in what you say, but the truth lies between us. :cheers:

[markclark57]

Mark:
I am not a hater. . . I'd never put a car tire on the beemer . . . it changes how the bike is used/handles. :tup:

OK you made my point. A quality Car tire out performs any motorcycle tire on a cruiser. . .:tehe:

[Hacksaw]

I don't think Metzler makes car tires. At least I haven't seen them in this country.

Exactly, Metzler won't encourage you use something they don't sell and profit from :cheers:

[ponch]

Exactly, Metzler won't encourage you use something they don't sell and profit from :cheers:

I asked Michelin the same question, we'll see what they say. :D

[ponch]

OK you made my point. A quality Car tire out performs any motorcycle tire on a cruiser. . .:tehe:

I love you too Mark. :P

[moloprintz]

I'm working on my second CT. 195x60x16
I ride it like I stole it in the hills of east Tennessee and west North Carolina.
No problems.

[cactusjack]

I don't think Metzler makes car tires. At least I haven't seen them in this country.

Okay. No responsible tire or motorcycle manufacturer is going to publicly state it's okay to run a car tire on a motorcycle due to potential liability exposure.

[blowndodge]

As usual you are correct in what you say, but the truth lies between us. :cheers:


Duly noted Jim! :yep:

However you know me and I take care of my Nomad above and beyond most Nomad owners. If I thought for a moment that my truck tire even "might" be dangerous do you really think I would have given it a try? I can afford any tire and pretty much any motorcycle.

[cactusjack]

Duly noted Jim! :yep:

However you know me and I take care of my Nomad above and beyond most Nomad owners. If I thought for a moment that my truck tire even "might" be dangerous do you really think I would have given it a try? I can afford any tire and pretty much any motorcycle.

Since when is not riding it "taking care above and beyond most Nomad owners"? I suppose if you're talking about wear and tear, then yeah. :lol:

[Top Cat]

What, you guys are running car and truck tires on a motorcycle?
When did all this start?
Never mind, I don't really care as I will continue to put the correct tire on my Nomad. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/corkysm20.gif

[markclark57]

What, you guys are running car and truck tires on a motorcycle?
When did all this start?
Never mind, I don't really care as I will continue to put the correct tire on my Nomad. http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/icons/corkysm20.gif

Me too Tim. The correct tires for MY Nomad are a 205/60-16 Goodyear Triple Tread for the rear, and a stock size Avon Cobra radial for the front. :P :tup:

[ponch]

OK you made my point. A quality Car tire out performs any motorcycle tire on a cruiser. . .:tehe:

Duly noted Jim! :yep:

However you know me and I take care of my Nomad above and beyond most Nomad owners. If I thought for a moment that my truck tire even "might" be dangerous do you really think I would have given it a try? I can afford any tire and pretty much any motorcycle.

Tru dat.

[ponch]

Okay. No responsible tire or motorcycle manufacturer is going to publicly state it's okay to run a car tire on a motorcycle due to potential liability exposure.

I wonder what they think of Seafoam?

[markclark57]

I'm still running Dyna-Beads. I don't think they like that either. Something about self balancing tires don't wear out as fast. Greedy bastards . . .

[ponch]

I'm still running Dyna-Beads. I don't think they like that either. Something about self balancing tires don't wear out as fast. Greedy bastards . . .

They'd like it if dynabeads were required as you'd have to change them with the tire change. :lmao:

[markclark57]

HaHa, I just get new beads. They aren't that much if you get them direct. You can put them in at home if you have a way to re-air the tire. I'm really not that cheep, I just get the guys at the shop to do it.

[wompus]

You put this up like CT riders care?? CT have been on motorcycle back in the pan head and shovel head days of HD... I seriously doubt we need more studies to verify if it's a safe move or not..

I had them on my 39 Indian back in 63. ( VW tires)
I have a friend that every time he sees my CT he starts complaining and saying, "Your gonna die, your gonna die!", he just can't see past his owners manual.
I guess that's why I used 1 tire to his 3 with the same millage, and I stop a lot faster the he does.

I actually found one problem with a CT on a bike... You don't want to be behind me on a wet road... it throws up one hell of a rooster tail! :lmao:



:tup:

[blowndodge]

Mike VW tires were very common on HD's very.... Someday one of the naysayers are going to say, "yea,, I guess you can run them....... but I'm not gonna"... :P

[Top Cat]

"yea,, I guess you can run them....... but I'm not gonna".

[Loafer]

TC, step out on the edge once in a while. Life will better, I promise...

[Top Cat]

TC, step out on the edge once in a while. Life will better, I promise...

I have been on the edge. When I am out there it seems to be telling me to jump off. No thanks. I will stay back from the edge to where I think my comfort zone is. That would be using the equipment the motorcycle was designed for and riding it 200 to 300 miles to get ice cream or lunch. :tup:

[blowndodge]

"yea,, I guess you can run them....... but I'm not gonna".

I guess I missed the "all you CT "haters" please chime in!"

Really thought it was for owners that are running a CT... but thanks for your non-solicited opinion.... where's the next "occupy" taking place at??? :P:lmao:

[ponch]

I guess I missed the "all you CT "haters" please chime in!"

Really thought it was for owners that are running a CT... but thanks for your non-solicited opinion.... where's the next "occupy" taking place at??? :P:lmao:

I guess he'll go to a peta protest at the local hells angels chapter:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/lzflatfish/PETA.jpg

[markclark57]

:lmao::lol::tehe::P