View Full Version : Should we have a "Darkside" forum
deacon
10-08-2011, 09:25 PM
I've noticed we have a number of members who ride on car tires (myself included). IMHO we should have Darkside forum where folks can go to post or search for info regarding experiences and types of car tires used on our bikes. Just a thought.
ringadingh
10-08-2011, 09:38 PM
We have a board in the Technical section that already has a lot of info posted on it regarding car tires.
deacon
10-08-2011, 09:51 PM
We have a board in the Technical section that already has a lot of info posted on it regarding car tires.
Thanks ring, I thought maybe something easier to find would be more beneficial and allow for more discussion. Having said that, I appreciate the links you posted there =)
Top Cat
10-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Maybeyou guys should subscribe to Car & Driver magazine.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Maybeyou guys should subscribe to Car & Driver magazine.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Thanks for triggering my fit of laughter TC....:tup:
ponch
10-09-2011, 05:58 PM
Maybeyou guys should subscribe to Car & Driver magazine.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
It's more of a religion TC, don't you agree? ;)
deacon
10-09-2011, 06:30 PM
Wow, you guys are brutal! How about hearing from fellow darksider's?
landman
10-09-2011, 06:53 PM
:zzz: then i suppose the oil guys will want thier own thread so they can talk about the benefits of using car oil in thier motorcycle:lol:
Top Cat
10-09-2011, 06:56 PM
Wow, you guys are brutal! How about hearing from fellow darksider's?
They are all out trying to find that ever elusive "sweet spot " so the bike will handle better than any motorcycle tire they have tried. Once they find that they will be on here telling you how they will never ever go back to a MC tire.:zzz:
sharps45100
10-09-2011, 07:40 PM
Actually there is a darkside forum on "Delphi Forums" IMO that is where I would and have posted info unless someone here has a question.
glwilson
10-09-2011, 08:02 PM
We need a forum only for black motorcycles too!!:tup:
bobhamlin
10-09-2011, 08:12 PM
Practically: Once I put my CT on, I kind of lost interest. Don't have to think about what's next for about 40K miles. Hardly anything to discuss -- unless TC chimes in, of course.
ponch
10-09-2011, 10:00 PM
We need a forum only for black motorcycles too!!:tup:
What about one for BMWs and HDs? :tup:
VulcanE
10-10-2011, 10:31 AM
They are all out trying to find that ever elusive "sweet spot " so the bike will handle better than any motorcycle tire they have tried. Once they find that they will be on here telling you how they will never ever go back to a MC tire.:zzz:
It is a secret society, and not everyone is capable of bearing the pressure of having an extremely smooth riding and handling machine. The fact that you can get triple or more miles out of it is just a plus.........:tup:
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 10:55 AM
Deacon, pay no mind to the "Gurmpier Old Men" on darksiding. As far as any of them having any mechanical ability, put a wrench in their hand and some of them don't know whether to sh*t or wind their watch! :wave:
Having pointed that out, I run a 8 ply truck tire on mine. Car tires are not normally ran on motorcycles and there is some adjustments to make like tire pressure and tread design and size. All of these escape the abilities of the "Grumpy Old Men" and they all walk together , talk together, lie together and complain together.
Mac and I have tried to educate some of these miserable SOB's about the benefit of an aftermarket fuel processor like a TFI on an even stock Nomad. Most of them are already "TFI" Too F*cking Ignorant to understand!!!! :wave: :D
Hacksaw
10-10-2011, 10:58 AM
Deacon, pay no mind to the "Gurmpier Old Men" on darksiding. As far as any of them having any mechanical ability, put a wrench in their hand and some of them don't know whether to sh*t or wind their watch! :wave:
Having pointed that out, I run a 8 ply truck tire on mine. Car tires are not normally ran on motorcycles and there is some adjustments to make like tire pressure and tread design and size. All of these escape the abilities of the "Grumpy Old Men" and they all walk together , talk together, lie together and complain together.
Mac and I have tried to educate some of these miserable SOB's about the benefit of an aftermarket fuel processor like a TFI on an even stock Nomad. Most of them are already "TFI" Too F*cking Ignorant to understand!!!! :wave: :D
Whew......
[QUOTE=blowndodge;375651]Deacon, pay no mind to the "Gurmpier Old Men" on darksiding. As far as any of them having any mechanical ability, put a wrench in their hand and some of them don't know whether to sh*t or wind their watch! :wave:
After a few minor adjustments to riding techniques the car tire is a good choice??? Straight roads produce increadible handling capabilities with a car tire. Breaking is like way better because more rubber is on the road too. Cornering might scare the poop out of you at first until the tire has devoloped its home on the rim..this usually takes about 500 miles. During this period you may not have any bowel movements due to the pucker factor or it could go the opposite way and you may have many uncontrollable bowel movements. If this happens to you..just remember..many brothers and sisters have gone to the darkside before you and have experienced this behavoir. Also remember, it can save you valuable dollars! If you go to a truck tire..hell..maybe you might never change the tire ever! With the 10 ply truck tire..(rumour has it)..you don't even need to use the jiffy stand anymore unless its extremely windy out. Let us not forget the coooool factor too...it has a wider appearance to it because of the square profile..very cool. :tup:
cactusjack
10-10-2011, 12:10 PM
Running a car tire cures erectile dysfunction. Er...at least that's what BD claims!
ponch
10-10-2011, 12:16 PM
You can do it if you like, but a car tire wasn't designed for a motorcycle and a motorcycle wasn't designed to use car tires. It might be interesting to find out if any rider has experienced loss of traction on sharp turns because they were using a car tire. It is hard to prove, but I have a suspicion it's happened a couple times. A car tire isn't designed to give maximum traction on the corner of the tread. So, zie mir gezunt as my jewish friends would say, be well and ride safely. That said, I think we should have a darkside forum.
We need a forum only for black motorcycles too!!:tup:
:tup::tup::tup::tup::tup::tup:
cactusjack
10-10-2011, 03:38 PM
You can do it if you like, but a car tire wasn't designed for a motorcycle and a motorcycle wasn't designed to use car tires. It might be interesting to find out if any rider has experienced loss of traction on sharp turns because they were using a car tire. It is hard to prove, but I have a suspicion it's happened a couple times. A car tire isn't designed to give maximum traction on the corner of the tread. So, zie mir gezunt as my jewish friends would say, be well and ride safely. That said, I think we should have a darkside forum.
Yeah Ponch, we know...and the world is flat, and you shouldn't run with scissors.
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 04:08 PM
You can do it if you like, but a car tire wasn't designed for a motorcycle and a motorcycle wasn't designed to use car tires. It might be interesting to find out if any rider has experienced loss of traction on sharp turns because they were using a car tire. It is hard to prove, but I have a suspicion it's happened a couple times. A car tire isn't designed to give maximum traction on the corner of the tread. So, zie mir gezunt as my jewish friends would say, be well and ride safely. That said, I think we should have a darkside forum.
Masterbation causes BMW disease........ :wave:
ponch
10-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Masterbation causes BMW disease........ :wave:
That's why it stands for bavarian murder weapon. :D
ponch
10-10-2011, 05:30 PM
Yeah Ponch, we know...and the world is flat, and you shouldn't run with scissors.
I don't think that analogy quite works. :shrug:
deacon
10-10-2011, 05:47 PM
The reason I brought it up is I have noticed several post's asking about folks help/experience with ct's. I thought if we had a dedicated board/forum it would be easier for those interested to find info specific to Kawasaki's big bikes. It would also provide a place to posts experiences. I, and others, have tried to use the "search" to get info with dismal results (good luck with trying to find anything with the "search" function!). I know you "grumpy old men" are just having fun at our expense ;) The delphi forum does have some info for Nomads if one doesn't mind digging for it but it would be nice to have the info available here.
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 05:49 PM
You can do it if you like, but a car tire wasn't designed for a motorcycle and a motorcycle wasn't designed to use car tires. It might be interesting to find out if any rider has experienced loss of traction on sharp turns because they were using a car tire. It is hard to prove, but I have a suspicion it's happened a couple times. A car tire isn't designed to give maximum traction on the corner of the tread. So, zie mir gezunt as my jewish friends would say, be well and ride safely. That said, I think we should have a darkside forum.
Ok, lets try this analogy:
Superglue (known to chemists as cyanoacrylate) was invented quite by accident. Twice. In both cases, scientists were hoping to come up with new plastic compounds for use in applications such as gun sights and jet canopies but happened unexpectedly upon a formulation that stuck to basically everything it touched. The first time it happened, during World War II, researchers found it a nuisance. The second time, during the 1950s, a light bulb went on in somebody's head. The product was first sold commercially in 1958.
Superglue has been used with great success in place of sutures for certain medical procedures, the oft-made claim that it was originally invented for this purpose is false.
I could list many things that "weren't designed" for an application but worked very successfully something it wasn't designed for.
Good enough Big Daddy??? Or do I need to pull ur britches down further?? :wave:
glwilson
10-10-2011, 06:39 PM
Okay... really... are we to listen to someone who's moniker is "Blown-dodge"? I mean really...
Either that name came from the fact you blew-up your dodge... which in that case I "rest my case"...
...or it means something entirely different... to which I do not wish to comment or discuss... but rather would also "rest my case"!!!!:D
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 06:42 PM
I was on a date Greg...............
Ok, lets try this analogy:
I could list many things that "weren't designed" for an application but worked very successfully something it wasn't designed for.
Good enough Big Daddy??? Or do I need to pull ur britches down further?? :wave:
OR....we could check out the Darwin Awards to see a fabulous listing of things that were used in ways for which they were not designed and where the results were fatal. :D
(But obviously car tires do work on bikes if you want high mileage and don't mind a little death wobble now and then until you find the right pressure. At least that would seem to be the collective report from Nomad riders.)
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 06:50 PM
Okay... really... are we to listen to someone who's moniker is "Blown-dodge"? I mean really...
Either that name came from the fact you blew-up your dodge... which in that case I "rest my case"...
...or it means something entirely different... to which I do not wish to comment or discuss... but rather would also "rest my case"!!!!:D
I'm a biker and your a triker.... rest my case!! :tup: :bird:
Top Cat
10-10-2011, 06:59 PM
I really hate to encourage you Brad but that TFI analogy made me laugh out loud.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
glwilson
10-10-2011, 07:07 PM
I'm a biker and your a triker.... rest my case!! :tup: :bird:
Smoke if you have them... :D
macmac
10-10-2011, 07:15 PM
The real question is, how many of the guys that put on a CT will, or have gone back to a MC T?
I am aware of 1.
So far I find the Sp5000 does everything a mc t does, and does it better.
Maybe there would be a problem if I removed the guard bars and the saddle bags, but I am not going to remove them.
Guys can drag hard parts with CT's on just the same as guys with MC T's can. You can't drag off more than to the hard parts, unless a crash is an option.
IMO Nomads don't track right on all MC T's. I find they are a jittery, and tend to over steer.
deacon
10-10-2011, 07:18 PM
OR....we could check out the Darwin Awards to see a fabulous listing of things that were used in ways for which they were not designed and where the results were fatal. :D
(But obviously car tires do work on bikes if you want high mileage and don't mind a little Death Wobble now and then until you find the right pressure. At least that would seem to be the collective report from Nomad riders.)
Death wobble? I have not experienced any wobble. based on what I've read here death wobble has been experienced by both darksiders as well as conventional mc tires.
What I did experience this past weekend was the greatly enhanced braking that may have saved my wife and I from a wreck when a minivan crossed into our lane. I have had the misfortune of having to lock up the rear wheel with both the mc tire and ct tire. With the mc tire the rear of the bike would fish tail and provide little braking. The ct provided significant braking and tracked straight ahead. I have about 3000 miles on my GYTT with no issues. There was a bit of a learning curve, but no different then if one were to ride a different bike.
macmac
10-10-2011, 07:32 PM
I encountered a mild woble twice under hard braking, before I had 35 miles on the CT. That was it.
IMO the CT does painted lines better, cheese grader bridges better, and the nasty figure 8 highway grind far better. Like to the point I don't notice these sorts of things at all any more. I think when the rear brake is used straight up, it too adds a shorter stop. I can't prove it, but I can prove I ain't dead.
ponch
10-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Ok, lets try this analogy:
Superglue (known to chemists as cyanoacrylate) was invented quite by accident. Twice. In both cases, scientists were hoping to come up with new plastic compounds for use in applications such as gun sights and jet canopies but happened unexpectedly upon a formulation that stuck to basically everything it touched. The first time it happened, during World War II, researchers found it a nuisance. The second time, during the 1950s, a light bulb went on in somebody's head. The product was first sold commercially in 1958.
Superglue has been used with great success in place of sutures for certain medical procedures, the oft-made claim that it was originally invented for this purpose is false.
I could list many things that "weren't designed" for an application but worked very successfully something it wasn't designed for.
Good enough Big Daddy??? Or do I need to pull ur britches down further?? :wave:
Superglue wasn't designed for anything it seems until it found a use or two. Tires have specific uses and within those domains there are criterion that optimize their use in that domain. While car tires can be used, my point is that they are not optimal for motorcycle use. What is driving their use on motorcycles (no pun intended) is money, not performance. I will agree that most people that use car tires probably don't push their motorcycles to the point where it will make a difference, but when they do, they are gambling.
I can also tell you of my own experience with motorcycle tires. When I had my vulcan 800, I kept my back tire until it was well worn with a profile not unlike a car tire, worn in the middle more, producing a profile that was more square. One day I was making a 90˚ right hand turn and cranked it over and the next thing I knew I was on my side with gas leaking out of the tank. There was no oil on the street, it was dry and no sand that I could see. What I surmise is that I got to the point where the tread was more square and therefore the contact patch was smaller that it needed to be to maintain uprightness with the forces generated on it. Anyway, using a car tire will work well within narrow constraints, but throw in certain variables and I would bet a car tire will not be optimal under those circumstances and not as good as a proper motorcycle tire. That said, we are free to do as we wish.
With true brotherly love and affection
Ponch. ;):tup:
deacon
10-10-2011, 08:30 PM
So ......... can we have a "darkside/car tire board?
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 08:48 PM
One day I was making a 90˚ right hand turn and cranked it over and the next thing I knew I was on my side with gas leaking out of the tank. There was no oil on the street, it was dry and no sand that I could see.
With true brotherly love and affection
Ponch. ;):tup:
I've seen you ride Ponch! that there was no oil on the road, probably a beautiful sunny day and you dumping a small 800cc bike.... I can see that happening to you......... honest I can!! :tup:
Hugs and :bird: ;)
blowndodge
10-10-2011, 08:50 PM
I really hate to encourage you Brad but that TFI analogy made me laugh out loud.http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
Damn near kills ya to admit that huh??? ;):D:D
ponch
10-10-2011, 09:09 PM
I've seen you ride Ponch! that there was no oil on the road, probably a beautiful sunny day and you dumping a small 800cc bike.... I can see that happening to you......... honest I can!! :tup:
Hugs and :bird: ;)
It happened very quickly.
Top Cat
10-10-2011, 09:16 PM
Damn near kills ya to admit that huh??? ;):D:D
You have no idea how much it hurt to admit that http://www.vulcanbagger.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif
glwilson
10-10-2011, 09:20 PM
It seems the original idea of using a CT was because "you" were being a cheap-@ss -- not because of performance.
However, you'll hear all kinds of people "justifying" the "performance-enhancements" of having a CT...
Geez... let's just admit it... you're all a bunch of cheap-@asses and lucky you haven't been killed yet!!!!!:D
(thought I would stir-the-pot a bit around here... not enough going on lately around here>:()
sharps45100
10-11-2011, 12:02 AM
I don't know about the rest of you all that have CT's on back but my CT still has the injection molding little nipples on both sides of my treads. So when someone asks me if thats a car tire on there, I tell them no, its a light duty truck tire! When they ask how it handles when cornering on the small shoulder of the tire I point out the nipples and tell them I'm not riding on the shoulder. Therefore I have more contact area on the road than I would with a MT, and yes being a cheap ass saves me money so I can put gas in the bike and ride more!
blowndodge
10-11-2011, 12:08 AM
Scott turned me into a cheap bastard!! Just look below!!
waterman
10-11-2011, 12:22 AM
It seems the original idea of using a CT was because "you" were being a cheap-@ss -- not because of performance.
However, you'll hear all kinds of people "justifying" the "performance-enhancements" of having a CT...
Geez... let's just admit it... you're all a bunch of cheap-@asses and lucky you haven't been killed yet!!!!!:D
(thought I would stir-the-pot a bit around here... not enough going on lately around here>:()
Hey Greg, just remember that you bought the spyder so you wouldn't tip over with your short legs...:tup::tup::tup::wtf:
Just thought I would stir the pot. :D
ponch
10-11-2011, 07:31 AM
Scott turned me into a cheap bastard!! Just look below!!
Who is cheaper?
glwilson
10-11-2011, 08:13 AM
Hey Greg, just remember that you bought the spyder so you wouldn't tip over with your short legs...:tup::tup::tup::wtf:
Just thought I would stir the pot. :D
Ha! Yeah... and if you have seen one you'll see they have a CT's on all three wheels! :D But I seemed to have left that fact out...:wave:
Loafer
10-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Greg, Someone on a Spyder type bagger [don't know the model name] waved at me on Sunday, was it you?
Gave me the creeps......
Well, I think I've heard just about everyone's opinion on whether to have a dark side board or not...and then some. lol.
If you sit down and take a hard look at things, that's why I created the Garage Board many moons ago... for everyone to talk mechanics. I really believe that we should use the Garage area for Dark Side discussions and any other discussions pertaining to moto mechanics.
Look at it this way, if I create a board for the dark side, then I'll have to create a board for alll the other items that come up.... black Nomad owners.... green 1999 owners.... those that have riding lights..... and for those that have TFI's installed.
Realisitically, it's best that all of this be discussed in the Garage area. Anyone can do a search and find the threads they need.
Thanks,
Trip
blowndodge
10-11-2011, 09:35 AM
I agree Trip :tup: I remember the last time when you, SWB and Todd wanted your own "Rainbow" section for you guys! What was that name you guys wanted to use?? "Nambla Nation"??? something like that anyways :wave::bird:
waterman
10-11-2011, 09:50 AM
I agree Trip :tup: I remember the last time when you, SWB and Todd wanted your own "Rainbow" section for you guys! What was that name you guys wanted to use?? "Nambla Nation"??? something like that anyways :wave::bird:
What about "BD's Ironing Board"?
cactusjack
10-11-2011, 10:27 AM
Trip, you left off special forums for those whose last digit of their license plate number is odd and one for those who are even.
ponch
10-11-2011, 10:31 AM
Trip, you left off special forums for those whose last digit of their license plate number is odd and one for those who are even.
And personalized plates too. (http://www.vroc.org/features.php?section=licenseplates&sid=29ffed69a0c6c536f69c2d37b61b9d46)
Loafer
10-11-2011, 10:32 AM
I think there should be a board for political banter and you could call it, 'Enter If You Dare'.
ponch
10-11-2011, 10:36 AM
How about a board for Cheap Bastards and Sartorial Experts?
Loafer
10-11-2011, 11:33 AM
That would work too.
I was on a date Greg with a guy nicknamed Dodge...............
OK, that explains a lot. :shrug::shrug:
ponch
10-11-2011, 01:08 PM
OK, that explains a lot. :shrug::shrug:
A plumber and a sartorial expert. We learn something new every day. :wtf:
blowndodge
10-11-2011, 01:55 PM
OK, that explains a lot why I'm jealous. :shrug::shrug:
Hurt your feelings did I??? :wtf:
blowndodge
10-11-2011, 01:58 PM
I think there should be a board for political banter and you could call it, 'Enter If You Dare'.
I hear Todd and Ponch have that tatooed on their butts!! :bird:
ponch
10-11-2011, 02:21 PM
I hear Todd and Ponch have that tatooed on their butts!! :bird:
No tattoos on my ass...arms and back, yes... :-*
ponch
10-11-2011, 02:23 PM
Hurt your feelings did I??? :wtf:
You know, if scott was a cheap bastard, he'd be riding a ninja 250.
I hear Todd and Ponch have that tatooed on their butts!! :bird:
:zzz::zzz::zzz: WEAK :zzz::zzz::zzz:
deacon
10-11-2011, 04:51 PM
Well, I think I've heard just about everyone's opinion on whether to have a dark side board or not...and then some. lol.
If you sit down and take a hard look at things, that's why I created the Garage Board many moons ago... for everyone to talk mechanics. I really believe that we should use the Garage area for Dark Side discussions and any other discussions pertaining to moto mechanics.
Look at it this way, if I create a board for the dark side, then I'll have to create a board for alll the other items that come up.... black Nomad owners.... green 1999 owners.... those that have riding lights..... and for those that have TFI's installed.
Realisitically, it's best that all of this be discussed in the Garage area. Anyone can do a search and find the threads they need.
Thanks,
Trip
Sigh ........ Oh well. Thanks for the reply and thank you for all you do here!
AlabamaNomadRider
10-11-2011, 05:27 PM
Since I ride on the lightside and not the darkside that sounds good to me Trip.
cactusjack
10-11-2011, 06:18 PM
You know, if scott was a cheap bastard, he'd be riding a ninja 250.
That's right! Thanks for mentioning that.
Loafer
10-11-2011, 07:06 PM
Tattoos are forever. Not sure why you would want that on your butt.?
ringadingh
10-11-2011, 07:11 PM
Maybe everyone should get there own board?
glwilson
10-11-2011, 07:16 PM
Greg, Someone on a Spyder type bagger [don't know the model name] waved at me on Sunday, was it you?
Gave me the creeps......
LOL! It would have creeped me out had I known it was you Gerry!!!:tup:
Loafer
10-11-2011, 07:53 PM
You know your a redneck jedi if:
Your father has ever said to you, "Shoot, son come on over to the dark side...it'll be a hoot."
Cajunrider
10-11-2011, 09:09 PM
This cheapo has been riding on the same car tire over 18,000 miles. I can safely ride another 3 - 5,000 miles on it before replacing it. Never had a death wobble at speeds up to 115 mph and a Nomad simply can't lean enough to get anywhere near the corner of the tread. I was very skeptical and researched for months before mounting that $97 SP 5000. I even went as far as to call my insurance agent asking if I and my bike would be covered should I crash with the car tire. His answer was yes, as long as the tire is an approved highway tire. The MC shop that mounted my tire felt it was a good application on the Nomad with it's limited lean capability. Seeing that I pull a trailer made them feel even better about mounting the CT. My $240 Avon Cobra, which preceeded the SP 5000 only lasted 6k miles pulling the trailer for 95% of those miles. Wore the center flat out. I won't go as far as some on the Delphi forum who say that it handles better than a MC tire but IMO it does handle as well. Will I go back with a CT after this one finally wears out? You betcha. No reason to mount a MC tire until I'm ready to sell it.
MAS Tequila
10-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Why not
MT
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