How much difference is there

[Scoot]

I see on here that nearly everyone talks about having or getting a PClll . I have Techlusion (Dobeck Performance) Fuel Injection TFI Control Box on mine.

My question is what so different about them besides price and am I right in thinkin once you set them up are you don't change it around alot.

I even sent this question to Roadbike mag. once never got a answer?

(scoot) the other Brad

Scoot...... maybe you shall be THE Brad!!!

[Scoot]

Scoot...... maybe you shall be THE Brad!!!


ROTFLMAO

[blowndodge]

It's mean talk like that, that will leave Nico in charge of Technology! Sooooo
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[Idaho]

Didn't take long for this thread to go into the toilet. Too bad, I was hoping that Scoot would get an answer to his question.
IDaho

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[Scoot]

http://www.600rr.net/vb/archive/index.php/t-2923.html

Thanks Nico......But I'm still confused ???

I'm outta my league here when it comes to FI.... I'm sure someone will come through with some good info for ya!

Nico

[blowndodge]

Scott check here. I believe you will have enough information to evaluate your needs. If it's not give us another jingle.

http://www.totalfuel.net/

[blowndodge]

Didn't take long for this thread to go into the toilet. Too bad, I was hoping that Scoot would get an answer to his question.
IDaho


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Hey scoot,
Ok I hope I can shed some light on this with my limited experence. Ok here is what I know that if you use like the cobra FI2000R or techlusion you only get like 3 or 4 pods to work with and that's it. You cannot dyno your bike with these units. Those units only let you do so much mapping to your ride. (example like 0 to 5 setting on each pod) Now the Power commander PCIII allows you to really fine tune/dial your motor in much more than those other units. Plus you can have your bike Dyno with a PCIII. Also you can use a laptop and watch your motor work and you can see where to make those adjustments unlike the others. thats why PCIII are much more in cost than those other units. Now granted those other units dont require mapps you just adjust each pod to do its job and you have to keep turing each pod till you have what you want and no puters are required to work with them. I hope this all makes sense and helps



I see on here that nearly everyone talks about having or getting a PClll . I have Techlusion (Dobeck Performance) Fuel Injection TFI Control Box on mine.

My question is what so different about them besides price and am I right in thinkin once you set them up are you don't change it around alot.

I even sent this question to Roadbike mag. once never got a answer?

(scoot) the other Brad

It seems allot of threads go a differnt direction on here fast.. ARHGG! LOLOL Kinda throws me off and then I start glazing over them untill something with an answer or quetion crosses my eyes.

Good info VC!

Thanks bro just trying to help out here as much as i can.. :-)

[blowndodge]

I guess I'm not quite understanding the "you cannot dyno with the Cobra or Techlusion." Dynomometer tuning us just that. You bike is strapped to a Dyno and ran under a load. All three can be tuned this way. With the cheaper Techlusion, you set the first pot with the engine at around 1500-2000 under a load on the dyno and adjust for a mixture of "about" 14:1 air to fuel by having an oxygen sniffer at the mufflers. You adjust the second pot (accelerator) to provide roll on pick up response. Usually these are adjusted to eliminate the dreaded "ping". As you've stated the other two adjust the wide open and when the wide open kicks in.

I guess I was confused about not being able to "dyno". The expensive PCIII overides the ECM to a more finite level; ie, every 250 rpms can be set and fuel can be actually reduced or taken away during these periods. The other two cannot take fuel away.

A negative with the PCIII is that it overides most of the ECM's sensors so that when your bike is in higher altitude it generally will run rich if set for lower elevation. The sensors on the bikes ECM are not in play with the PCIII.

I've heard too many complaints that friends bikes when traveling long distances and crossing mountain passes at high elevation have issues with this rich condition with the PCIII.

The other two, Cobra, and Techlusion intercept signals only at the injector and allow the the stock ECM to adjust using the bikes stock sensors so that the parameters are still in play.

The PCIII does allow for downloads to various "maps" but without knowing what stages of modifications to your bike you've done, the downloads are only "guesses". If you want your bike dynoed then whoever puts the PCIII on your bike needs to strap it on the dyno and set each 250 rpm parameter by hand usually at an additional 300 bucks on top of the cost of the PCIII. There is no such thing as a custom dyno map with actually having the bike on the dyno.

[Todd]

[quote:f78c5q66]Didn't take long for this thread to go into the toilet. Too bad, I was hoping that Scoot would get an answer to his question.
IDaho


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[blowndodge]

Rule #2.............see rule #1 !!!

I guess I'm not quite understanding the "you cannot dyno with the Cobra or Techlusion." Dynomometer tuning us just that. You bike is strapped to a Dyno and ran under a load. All three can be tuned this way. With the cheaper Techlusion, you set the first pot with the engine at around 1500-2000 under a load on the dyno and adjust for a mixture of "about" 14:1 air to fuel by having an oxygen sniffer at the mufflers. You adjust the second pot (accelerator) to provide roll on pick up response. Usually these are adjusted to eliminate the dreaded "ping". As you've stated the other two adjust the wide open and when the wide open kicks in.

I guess I was confused about not being able to "dyno". The expensive PCIII overides the ECM to a more finite level; ie, every 250 rpms can be set and fuel can be actually reduced or taken away during these periods. The other two cannot take fuel away.

A negative with the PCIII is that it overides most of the ECM's sensors so that when your bike is in higher altitude it generally will run rich if set for lower elevation. The sensors on the bikes ECM are not in play with the PCIII.

I've heard too many complaints that friends bikes when traveling long distances and crossing mountain passes at high elevation have issues with this rich condition with the PCIII.

The other two, Cobra, and Techlusion intercept signals only at the injector and allow the the stock ECM to adjust using the bikes stock sensors so that the parameters are still in play.

The PCIII does allow for downloads to various "maps" but without knowing what stages of modifications to your bike you've done, the downloads are only "guesses". If you want your bike dynoed then whoever puts the PCIII on your bike needs to strap it on the dyno and set each 250 rpm parameter by hand usually at an additional 300 bucks on top of the cost of the PCIII. There is no such thing as a custom dyno map with actually having the bike on the dyno.

You are my idol!

[scion0]

Mine too Nico... I bet BD has forgotten more than I'll ever know or at least as much as I have know (or more correctly --- more than I need and want to know)!!

Oh geez scion....... now we're gonna give him a big head!!!

Todd, SWB step up....... BD needs a BIG head!!!!



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[Todd]

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[Todd]

Rule #2.............see rule #1 !!!

Well, it was actually "no writing on the walls....takes a lot of work to erase the writing off those walls" ??? ???


But I like the way ur thinkin! http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif

[blowndodge]

Yea, I know that line too....this was just funnier! LOL Barneys the man!!!! When it would get dicey and he'd ask Andy if he should pull his bullet out of his front pocket I'd bout' sh*t my pants with laughter. We all know a Barney or two!!!

Todd, you may poke fun at my big head, but I just got hired to do the Jack in the Box commercials!!!!!!

[Todd]

Brother, I know you have not seen a pic of me without a helmet....but I too have the same issue.....a 7 7/8 is tight.....XXL helmet at a minimum.....thats how I came up with the Flintstone thing...Had a neighbor that used to call me FRED........

[blowndodge]

Todd 2XL is the minimum that will fit my noggin. I have a couple of 3XL hats. Brain, all brain!!!!!

[Todd]

I tell that lie....uh, claim that too!!!

No wonder we get along....... I wear 7 7/8 XXL... too funny! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif


p.s. Todd... did I hear him ay Jack in the Box????? lol

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[Todd]

Cant believe I missed that one....dammit!!

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Probably good $$ in being Jack's stunt double!!!


<marquee>ROFLMAO</marquee>

[Scoot]

I guess I'm not quite understanding the "you cannot dyno with the Cobra or Techlusion." Dynomometer tuning us just that. You bike is strapped to a Dyno and ran under a load. All three can be tuned this way. With the cheaper Techlusion, you set the first pot with the engine at around 1500-2000 under a load on the dyno and adjust for a mixture of "about" 14:1 air to fuel by having an oxygen sniffer at the mufflers. You adjust the second pot (accelerator) to provide roll on pick up response. Usually these are adjusted to eliminate the dreaded "ping". As you've stated the other two adjust the wide open and when the wide open kicks in.

I guess I was confused about not being able to "dyno". The expensive PCIII overides the ECM to a more finite level; ie, every 250 rpms can be set and fuel can be actually reduced or taken away during these periods. The other two cannot take fuel away.

A negative with the PCIII is that it overides most of the ECM's sensors so that when your bike is in higher altitude it generally will run rich if set for lower elevation. The sensors on the bikes ECM are not in play with the PCIII.

I've heard too many complaints that friends bikes when traveling long distances and crossing mountain passes at high elevation have issues with this rich condition with the PCIII.

The other two, Cobra, and Techlusion intercept signals only at the injector and allow the the stock ECM to adjust using the bikes stock sensors so that the parameters are still in play.

The PCIII does allow for downloads to various "maps" but without knowing what stages of modifications to your bike you've done, the downloads are only "guesses". If you want your bike dynoed then whoever puts the PCIII on your bike needs to strap it on the dyno and set each 250 rpm parameter by hand usually at an additional 300 bucks on top of the cost of the PCIII. There is no such thing as a custom dyno map with actually having the bike on the dyno.

Thanks Lord Brad......I understand lots better now

Just so you know I got a 7 3/4 to 8 head xxl and xxxl helmets and to dang hard to find a desent hat that fits ....was wanting a kawanow hat then read (fits all heads) :'( I know it won't fit my big head

BIG HEAD = BIG BRAIN ! Fact!


It don't mean we use it though lolol

[blowndodge]

We should start a new "big head" club. Lets see.......KawaNomadNoggins of America?? "Melon Head R Us?" The Jack in the Box boyz??? Help me here!!!

[Todd]

How about what Dad used to call me...."You Big Headed Bastard"

[dogdoc]

good explanation: and your 100% right. Don't need the pclll that much.

Doc

[Todd]

NOGIN....Nomad Owners Group INternational........yeah yeah I know it should be 2 Gs but couldnt make it work.

[blowndodge]

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! We could assign you that "handle" in the club if you insist!!

OK.... 7 3/4 minimum for membership.*

*7 5/8 can apply for associate member.

*7 7/8 required for officers.

[dogdoc]

Do all big ass head have big ass brains??? I have a big head also.

Doc

Welcome to the club!! :)

[blowndodge]

Doesn't explain the CT on the front of Nico's Levi's however!!!!!!!!1

Computerized Tomography on my Levi's... huh ??? LOL

[Todd]

Computerized Tomography on my Levi's... huh ??? LOL

You need another PILL...

[blowndodge]

Naw,,, than aint what I'm thinking.... I think I just stubbed my big toe!!!!

[Todd]

I'd walk a mile for a camel!!

[blowndodge]

ROFLMAO again!!!

[Idaho]

[quote:0h2k2rzi]I guess I'm not quite understanding the "you cannot dyno with the Cobra or Techlusion." Dynomometer tuning us just that. You bike is strapped to a Dyno and ran under a load. All three can be tuned this way. With the cheaper Techlusion, you set the first pot with the engine at around 1500-2000 under a load on the dyno and adjust for a mixture of "about" 14:1 air to fuel by having an oxygen sniffer at the mufflers. You adjust the second pot (accelerator) to provide roll on pick up response. Usually these are adjusted to eliminate the dreaded "ping". As you've stated the other two adjust the wide open and when the wide open kicks in.

I guess I was confused about not being able to "dyno". The expensive PCIII overides the ECM to a more finite level; ie, every 250 rpms can be set and fuel can be actually reduced or taken away during these periods. The other two cannot take fuel away.

A negative with the PCIII is that it overides most of the ECM's sensors so that when your bike is in higher altitude it generally will run rich if set for lower elevation. The sensors on the bikes ECM are not in play with the PCIII.

I've heard too many complaints that friends bikes when traveling long distances and crossing mountain passes at high elevation have issues with this rich condition with the PCIII.

The other two, Cobra, and Techlusion intercept signals only at the injector and allow the the stock ECM to adjust using the bikes stock sensors so that the parameters are still in play.

The PCIII does allow for downloads to various "maps" but without knowing what stages of modifications to your bike you've done, the downloads are only "guesses". If you want your bike dynoed then whoever puts the PCIII on your bike needs to strap it on the dyno and set each 250 rpm parameter by hand usually at an additional 300 bucks on top of the cost of the PCIII. There is no such thing as a custom dyno map with actually having the bike on the dyno.

You are my idol![/quote:0h2k2rzi]

Ditto Nico That is stuff you can sink your teeth into.

[Scoot]

Then why is it on here all anyone talks about is getting a PCIII. Doesn't it cost about $100 more? I have had no probs with the Techlusion. I think I made the right choice

[socwkbiker]

Nice try Nico, but those of us with big heads know that's not your CT.

[bobzinger]

I had a PCII on my old RK and it worked awesome. Unfortuneately it fell on the drive belt and got chewed up. So I went with a Doebeck TFI on it and my 05 Nomad. They work good. They adjust fuel for "RPM bands" instead of by percentage of throttle position like the PC. My old PCII had maybe 100 settings where the TFI only has 4. Just my nontech 2 cents

ROFLMAO again!!!

ROFLMAO again!!!

ROFLMAO again!!!

ROFLMAO again!!!

ROFLMAO again!!!

[quote:3ld3yk3p]ROFLMAO again!!![/quote:3ld3yk3p]

[Scoot]

[quote:3bhjh7wx]Sept 6, 2007, 9:00pm, blowndodge wrote:ROFLMAO again!!! [/quote:3bhjh7wx]

ROFLMAO again!!!

[beezer]

Not again

Not again


It must be raining...... or I'm just bored???

[socwkbiker]

You're special.