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Loafer
05-30-2011, 08:06 AM
I saw where Steve, is thinking about a new jacket, I came across this bit of info, and I thought every one would enjoy it. I have two leather jackets and a set of leather chaps.

Definitions of Motorcycle Apparel Terms
by: MCg
WHAT DO ALL THOSE LABELS MEAN ON MOTORCYCLE GEAR?
Ever wonder what all those different motorcycle textiles are about? What are the definitions of the myriad terms printed on the tags of motorcycle jackets, pants and gloves? What’s good? What’s better? Is textile as good as leather? Is there any textile better than leather? What the heck are you actually paying for!?

Here’s a list of some of the more common terms and their definitions, familiar to any motorcycle rider looking for protective clothing and apparel. (Much of this info is complements of Cycleport).

Aero-Tex: A thin, light weight membrane, mounted between the face fabric and the lining. It is Waterproof, Windproof, and Breathable.

Ballistic Nylon: A specific nylon developed by Dupont for the U.S. Department of Defense for use in flak jackets. Later it was replaced by Kevlar. The basket-weave construction helps add abrasion resistance as opposed to a plain weave. The name is used as a marketing tool with “ballistic” sounding like something “bulletproof” and therefore really tough. Many motorcycle apparel companies use the word “Ballistic” when describing material. In many cases the materials tear and abrasion strength does not meet a minimum standard for motorcycle apparel and the word is used only as a sales gimmick.

Breath-ability: Humans control body warmth by perspiring and thus prevent the body from overheating. When riding it is necessary to transport at least two pints of perspiration (water vapor) through clothes every hour. When apparel does not breathe, water vapor turns into sweat and in cold weather wet heat loss is 23 times greater than dry heat loss. Suits that do not breathe and use vents will only be somewhat comfortable in perfect weather.

CE Armor: A European system of grading motorcycle protective armor that encompasses both energy absorption capability as well as pad shape and size. The armor or pads are designed to offer added protection to a rider going down on a motorcycle, particularly in the event of sliding or lesser impacts. CE armor is made of hard foam pieces encapsulated in softer foam which compresses on impact. In other words, it’s like a helmet: if you land on it, you must replace it.

Cordura: A high tenacity, air textured nylon fiber, made exclusively by Dupont. Superior abrasion resistance over any other fabric in a head to head comparison. Hundreds of nylon materials exist but 500 Denier Cordura is the industry minimum standard for apparel material abrasion and tear strength. (Be cautious when motorcycle clothing manufacturers do not use Cordura in nylon apparel or use less than 500 Denier).

Denier: a unit of measurement used to describe the strength of a material like nylon. Simply speaking, the bigger the number the bigger the thread.

Gore-Tex: Thin, lightweight membrane mounted between the face fabric and the lining. It is Waterproof, Windproof and Breathable. This membrane has nine billion microscopic pores per square inch. These pores are much smaller than a droplet of liquid water, but much larger than a molecule of water vapor. Water in a liquid form cannot penetrate the membrane, but both moisture vapor from perspiration and heat can easily escape. The membrane works when the outside temperature is colder than your body temperature. the membrane actually sucks the heat out of the apparel as long as the outside temperature is lower than 98F.

Insulation: The other Motorcycle apparel companies usually don’t tell you what the insulation is or they make up a name. A few of the more expensive jackets use Thinsulate. Thinsulate was an improvement of Down insulation because it performed two times better and it didn’t separate and breakdown as easily. Thinsulate can lose up to 20% of its insulation capability with each wash. Cycleport uses either Thermolite or Thermoloft. Theremolite performs four times better that Thinsulate and can only loose up to 2% when washed. Thermoloft performs two times better than Thermolite, six times better than Thinsulate and no breakdown of insulation occurs when washed.

Kevlar: The strongest fiber known to man. Kevlar is made by Dupont and for apparel use comes in a thread form. In a pure weave Kevlar does not stretch and is not suitable for use in motorcycle apparel where abrasion is important. In order to give it the proper motorcycle abrasion strength Kevlar must be woven together with Cordura and Lycra. These are the only suits approved for road racing other than leather. Some gear manufacturers use small portions of pure Kevlar as a gimmick. Quality full suits of it can be found. This gear is lighter, offers greater protection and it breathes. It slides on pavement the same way as leather and dissipates friction heat better than leather. Due to its innate toughness during construction and the fabrics limited availability it is not widely marketed so it will take a bit of looking to get one.

Leather: Long been a good protective fabric. However, many variables can effect its quality including, the type, age and diet of the animal it came from. Different methods used to clean, tan and dye the leather effect it as well. Unfortunately the best way to tell if the garment is made of good leather is to look at the price tag. Good leather costs more and that cost is passed on to the consumer. Leather should be worn snug because when leather folds its tear strength lowers considerably. As an organic material leather dries out and looses its flexibility over time. In fact each time leather gets wet and dries it can loose up to 20% of its tear and abrasion strength. If you purchase leather, get the best you can and care for it habitually, even if it’s just hanging in the closet.

Polyurethane: A coating that has a rubber texture. This is applied to the inside shell of most nylon. It is used primarily to seal nylon threads when woven into fabric. The majority of all nylon motorcycle apparel is 100% polyurethane-coated and does not breathe properly. Polyurethane can also melt into your skin during abrasion. Polyurethane can also trap water after a rain for hours. Even the most expensive apparel has 20% or more Polyurethane coating. If you are looking for greater performance avoid apparel that has more than a 20% polyurethane coating.

PVC (Poly Vinyl Chloride): Nylon alone is not waterproof. In rain suit and waterproof garment descriptions you will notice the acronym PVC. This is a rubberized coating that is laminated to the nylon to make it waterproof.

Scotchlite Reflective Material: Material made by the 3M company. It is constructed of millions of tiny glass beads affixed to the surface. Each glass bead is covered with a metallic reflective layer on half of its surface (the “back” half) and this, combined with the spherical nature of the glass beads gives the materials their reflective properties.

Seam Sealed: When garments are sewn the needle creates holes that will allow water to pass through. Seam sealing tape is applied to a stitched seam using heat to bond the tape to the material making the seam waterproof.

Taffeta: Strong, lightweight, breathable nylon that is used primarily for suit linings. Taffeta linings offer the wearer a greater level of comfort. Taffeta also allows the suit to be put on and then off with greater ease.

Taslan: Another Dupont invention. A means of bulking the fiber to give it better abrasion resistance.

Tri-Armor: Armor comprised of a plastic membrane sandwiched between dual-density, closed-cell, memory armor. Tri-Armor was developed from the results of a four year crash study in Germany. The goal of this study was to develop the most protective motorcycle suit. Construction and placement of the Tri-Armor was designed to provide the best impact and abrasion resistance. Tri-Armor exceeds the current “CE” approved standards.

Ultra Cordura 1000 Denier: The strongest nylon material ever used in a motorcycle suit. It has greater abrasion and tear strength than 1050 Ballistic Cordura. Made by Dupont this is the first nylon material used in motorcycle apparel made without a polyurethane coating.

Shopping Tip: The most versatile motorcycle apparel is made with Nylon or Nylon/Lycra/Kevlar woven material. The minimum standard for tear and abrasion strength is 500 Denier Cordura Nylon. Hundreds of nylon materials exist. In a single layer outer shell, less than 500 Denier Cordura will not offer enough protection in a tumble. Stay away from apparel where the material is not described.



















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Idaho
05-30-2011, 08:50 AM
Lots of great info there. Thanks for posting it.

nomad561
05-30-2011, 09:15 AM
Thanks for the info. I'm currently looking for a new jacket and now I know a few things to pay attention to.

glwilson
05-30-2011, 11:44 AM
I am going to wear a deep-sea diving-bell in case I crash again. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif ;)

ringadingh
05-30-2011, 12:01 PM
Thanks Gerry; that a great article for trying to understand the different types of products.
I think I'll still be looking at primarily a textile jacket for most day to day use. They are lighter, more comfortable, and usually waterproof as well.

05-30-2011, 04:37 PM
Hey Loafer!!

Great post!! Thanks!! I'm in the market so I googled 500 denier and came up with this. Looks like a nice jacket. I think I'm going for it.

http://www.olympiamotosports.com/airglide/airglide.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATjTd8Jtvk

usranger74
05-30-2011, 04:49 PM
Good info. but I did not see cotton

waterman
05-30-2011, 06:09 PM
I am going to wear a deep-sea diving-bell in case I crash again. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif ;)

Greg,

You could go around looking like the Michelin Man.

http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/48847/2093138260102939583S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2093138260102939583DMELIl)

http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Loafer
05-30-2011, 07:09 PM
My thougts were that there are so many kinds of materials, that a definition of them would help most of us understand, what to look for, when making a purchase. I'm glad that some have found it useful.

ringadingh
05-30-2011, 08:27 PM
A lot of the terms that the makers use are for marketing, you really have to start reading and learning about what is good and what is hype. but also if you stick with the top brands they are usually the better quality products to start with.

ponch
05-31-2011, 10:08 AM
Good info. but I did not see cotton

Cotton is not so good. Jeans come apart pretty quickly...and therefore cotton denim by itself isn't considered good gear.

ponch
05-31-2011, 10:12 AM
Linkage: http://motoport.worldsecuresystems.com/motoportdictionary

usranger74
05-31-2011, 12:08 PM
Good info. but I did not see cotton

Cotton is not so good. Jeans come apart pretty quickly...and therefore cotton denim by itself isn't considered good gear.

10-4 - was just being facetious. However, that is what I wear knowing the dangers.

blowndodge
05-31-2011, 12:12 PM
Thats way too much reading for me... I'm taking a nap..... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

ponch
05-31-2011, 12:44 PM
Cotton is not so good. Jeans come apart pretty quickly...and therefore cotton denim by itself isn't considered good gear.

10-4 - was just being facetious. However, that is what I wear knowing the dangers.

I wear jeans as well, but I want to get a pair of textile over pants. At that point I'd be up to date.

caper
05-31-2011, 01:02 PM
Joe Rocket...! Jacket and Pants

ringadingh
05-31-2011, 01:09 PM
I havn't decided what pants I'll get as of yet, but probably a pair of the armour jeans. If you could have seen how bad my knees got shredded you would see what I mean.

ponch
05-31-2011, 01:29 PM
I havn't decided what pants I'll get as of yet, but probably a pair of the armour jeans. If you could have seen how bad my knees got shredded you would see what I mean.

I was thinking Joe Rocket Ballistic 7.0 pants or the Firstgear HT over pants. I think knee armor is more important than people give it notice.

Loafer
05-31-2011, 02:06 PM
Thats way too much reading for me... I'm taking a nap..... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Knowledgeable nappers, do exhausting tasks a little at a time. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

ringadingh
05-31-2011, 02:42 PM
I havn't decided what pants I'll get as of yet, but probably a pair of the armour jeans. If you could have seen how bad my knees got shredded you would see what I mean.

I was thinking Joe Rocket Ballistic 7.0 pants or the Firstgear HT over pants. I think knee armor is more important than people give it notice.
Those are good pants and had I had some Im sure I would have avoided all the road rash.

blowndodge
05-31-2011, 05:27 PM
I'm wearing a Joe Rocket Thong right now! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

glwilson
05-31-2011, 05:55 PM
Way too much information BD http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif!

Loafer
05-31-2011, 06:01 PM
I'm wearing a Joe Rocket Thong right now! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I wonder if Radco has been vacationing in Southern Cali-fornacation. http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif Or are you on his mail-order list? http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

AlabamaNomadRider
05-31-2011, 07:43 PM
Very good article Gerry. Thanks for the good information.

daleg
06-01-2011, 11:42 AM
Joe Rocket Phoenix 5.0 neon mesh jacket in hot weather, Leather-Up jacket https://www.leatherup.com/site/product?pid=91142 and chaps https://www.leatherup.com/site/product?pid=41316 and a neon mil-spec vest in cooler weather.

I want to get the pants to match my Joe Rocket jacket. I usually wear heavy jeans, or my uniform pants if I'm riding to work.

I usually wear Rocky lace-up boots with nylon uppers and side zippers, or leather firefighter Pro-Boots with lace zippers when riding to work. The Pro-Boots are pretty clunky with steel toes.

HJC IS-Max helmet, and several choices of m/c gloves depending on weather. Choices are Icon and Joe Rocket padded gloves for summer, and Leather-Up gauntlet gloves for cool weather.

jims
06-02-2011, 03:50 PM
Great topic, something we have to be aware of.

When it is very cold I’m in an armored, insulated Tourmaster textile jacket and matching over pants. I Always use a full face helmet in the cold. Thinsulate gloves with additional liner.

In this very hot weather I use Cortech CPX cargo pants with Kevlar seat and leg panels over a Bohn body armor pant with tail bone, knee/shin, thigh and hip armor. It can be a little warm when stopped at a light but not bad at all when moving. I use a leather and mesh combination summer glove with the added palm leather. For upper protection I use a First Gear mesh jacket with armor in the elbows, shoulders, and back. The jacket is actually cooler than bare arms when travelling more than 30 mph. I use a modular full face if going on an all day ride but will use a shorty helmet around town and sometimes no jacket for a jaunt to the store but never go without the leg armor stuff. I’ve read that most injuries for riders over 60 years old are leg injuries i.e. knees, hips, feet/ankles and hands (this is of course is when rider is using a helmet). Since a lot of injuries are a result of falling over in your own driveway or at a stoplight, or at a low impact speed this makes sense.
I use a pair of Stanley boots year round for riding, they go about two inches over the ankle and with extra long laces I will wrap around back of the boot to add additional tightening to keep them secure.
I have seen some terrible cases of road rash and thank heaven I have been spared so far but I made the commitment a few years ago that I would take extra measures to insure myself as much as is practical after over forty years of riding injury free. I don’t think I would heal as quick as I did at twenty years old. Some riders I ride with say “you sure like to sweat it out Jim” but I tell them the only thing I don’t like more than sweating is bleeding.

Loafer
06-02-2011, 07:15 PM
Great topic, something we have to be aware of.

When it is very cold I’m in an armored, insulated Tourmaster textile jacket and matching over pants. I Always use a full face helmet in the cold. Thinsulate gloves with additional liner.

In this very hot weather I use Cortech CPX cargo pants with Kevlar seat and leg panels over a Bohn body armor pant with tail bone, knee/shin, thigh and hip armor. It can be a little warm when stopped at a light but not bad at all when moving. I use a leather and mesh combination summer glove with the added palm leather. For upper protection I use a First Gear mesh jacket with armor in the elbows, shoulders, and back. The jacket is actually cooler than bare arms when travelling more than 30 mph. I use a modular full face if going on an all day ride but will use a shorty helmet around town and sometimes no jacket for a jaunt to the store but never go without the leg armor stuff. I’ve read that most injuries for riders over 60 years old are leg injuries i.e. knees, hips, feet/ankles and hands (this is of course is when rider is using a helmet). Since a lot of injuries are a result of falling over in your own driveway or at a stoplight, or at a low impact speed this makes sense.
I use a pair of Stanley boots year round for riding, they go about two inches over the ankle and with extra long laces I will wrap around back of the boot to add additional tightening to keep them secure.
I have seen some terrible cases of road rash and thank heaven I have been spared so far but I made the commitment a few years ago that I would take extra measures to insure myself as much as is practical after over forty years of riding injury free. I don’t think I would heal as quick as I did at twenty years old. Some riders I ride with say “you sure like to sweat it out Jim” but I tell them the only thing I don’t like more than sweating is bleeding.


I'd rather sweat than bleed too. ;)

keith23
06-03-2011, 11:38 AM
Good article..but.. My riding gear consist of 1 pair sunglasses

blowndodge
06-03-2011, 11:56 AM
I'd rather sweat than bleed too. ;)

Sweat is so rare on you that it'll cure cancer! ;)

Cajunrider
06-03-2011, 12:02 PM
Geez..........

macmac
06-03-2011, 03:30 PM
Man I don't ever wanna see any all naked guys on Nomad wearing just sun glasses. Man what a nasty visual that is!

ponch
06-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Man I don't ever wanna see any all naked guys on Nomad wearing just sun glasses. Man what a nasty visual that is!
Isn't there some sort of NMRA or something like that? Naked Motorcycle Riders Association? I recall they do that at Boscobel. That's got to be crazy.

Loafer
06-03-2011, 06:42 PM
Thanks BD. It must be true, my check up Thursday was great.

Loafer
06-04-2011, 07:36 AM
For those of you considering Kevlar Jeans. One of my sons has a pair, and he says they don't breathe, he is always too hot when off the bike. He now carries a pair of shorts to change into, for when he is going to be off the bike. Something to consider.

markclark57
06-04-2011, 09:06 AM
What, no chain-mail? Its very durable and breathable too. Just don't forget your javelin. . . ;)

ponch
06-04-2011, 10:05 AM
What, no chain-mail? Its very durable and breathable too. Just don't forget your javelin. . . ;)

metal gets hot grinding against the road.

markclark57
06-04-2011, 10:33 PM
Not to mention the weight. . . Over kill is over kill.

I ride because I love to ride. If they require Chain-mail and armor to ride I'LL still ride. Won't enjoy it as much, but I'll still ride. Won't be as free, but I'll still ride. When I can't hold the bike up any more I'll get another wheel and still ride.

Loafer
06-05-2011, 07:28 AM
What, no chain-mail? Its very durable and breathable too. Just don't forget your javelin. . . ;)

Too heavy, more expensive to clean and repair. Trunk not big enough for the accessories. ;)

dragon57
06-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Mostly, I wear a T-Shirt and Jeans- unless it's cold out, and then I'll pull out the leather.
If I ever get to the point where I'm too scared to ride without "armor" or a full helmet, then, I guess I'll quit riding!
Until then, I'm not dressing up like a BMW rider to ride my bike!
Just me 2c worth

markclark57
06-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Ah, looks like you got at least "most" of my point.

I wear what's comfortable for the most part. Sometimes that includes a full-face helmet in foul weather. When its warm enough I break down to a t-shirt. I wear helmet and leather on the Highway for sure. That's more about the cagers than the comfort.

My point about the armor is that I'll find a way to ride from time to time no matter what. After that they can put me in the box and plant me.

ponch
06-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Mostly, I wear a T-Shirt and Jeans- unless it's cold out, and then I'll pull out the leather.
If I ever get to the point where I'm too scared to ride without "armor" or a full helmet, then, I guess I'll quit riding!
Until then, I'm not dressing up like a BMW rider to ride my bike!
Just me 2c worth

I never ride without a full face/modular helmet, and as far as armor/leather goes, it's temperature related. I have a leather jacket that's water resistant, armored and vented, but above 80, I start to get a little warm, above 90 I start to cook. That said, the older I get the more likely I will wear protective gear. After hearing about Steve and Greg's get offs, I think it's wise. I just don't get up after a fall like I used to.

strobe
06-07-2011, 04:05 PM
I always ride with a either a full face or modular helmet and have invested in BMW Comfort Shell gear. it is a textile product that is waterproof when it needs to be and breathes when it is warm out. The weave of the fabric actually opens and closes based on the environment. Was not cheap, but between the armor in the gear and the material it will save me a lot of rash in the event of a accident. Rode 7 hours in the rain last week and was completely dry. Everyone needs to decide what is best for them, but me it is ATGATT.

ponch
06-07-2011, 04:07 PM
I always ride with a either a full face or modular helmet and have invested in BMW Comfort Shell gear. it is a textile product that is waterproof when it needs to be and breathes when it is warm out. The weave of the fabric actually opens and closes based on the environment. Was not cheap, but between the armor in the gear and the material it will save me a lot of rash in the event of a accident. Rode 7 hours in the rain last week and was completely dry. Everyone needs to decide what is best for them, but me it is ATGATT.

I'd wear textile if I could find it in my size. All the tall sizes are made for bean poles.

blowndodge
06-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Have you tried to contact Coleman Outdoors??? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

ponch
06-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Have you tried to contact Coleman Outdoors??? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I ain't that big, but a lot of the vendors size 52 as the largest in tall and at that, it's not even a true 52. I am around 56. It ain't working. Even young and thin I was around 54. I guess they must have figured out people that buy textile in tall sizes are bean poles.

blowndodge
06-07-2011, 04:31 PM
I'm just joshin' ya Ponch... I can imagine getting anything that large is a chore for you... A 56 is one BFJacket!!!

ponch
06-07-2011, 04:40 PM
I'm just joshin' ya Ponch... I can imagine getting anything that large is a chore for you... A 56 is one BFJacket!!!

Never seemed that big to me. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif Sleeves and torso length matter a lot too. 39" sleeves and I need 3-4" more length on the torso. Pants aren't a problem as my inseam is 34". Not particularly long for my height.

strobe
06-07-2011, 05:30 PM
I always ride with a either a full face or modular helmet and have invested in BMW Comfort Shell gear. it is a textile product that is waterproof when it needs to be and breathes when it is warm out. The weave of the fabric actually opens and closes based on the environment. Was not cheap, but between the armor in the gear and the material it will save me a lot of rash in the event of a accident. Rode 7 hours in the rain last week and was completely dry. Everyone needs to decide what is best for them, but me it is ATGATT.

I'd wear textile if I could find it in my size. All the tall sizes are made for bean poles.

I understand. I am 6' 4" with 34" inseam and the pants just work as does the jacket. Tough to find the right gear for sure!

markclark57
06-07-2011, 11:47 PM
I'm still looking for a jacket contoured to my bubble gut. ;)

dragon57
06-08-2011, 09:36 AM
To Each, His Own!
My personal opinion is that; if I have to be so worried about the cagers, etc, that I have to wear a certain type clothing as PROTECTION from them, then, riding will not be enjoyable to me. I wear a full helmet if it's raing; NOT as protection from crashes, and I wear leather to keep warm; NOT as protection from crashes. Knock on wood; I've ridden over 2thirds of this great country, and, had plenty of near misses, but no actual wrecks since getting an actual license to ride, back in '72 (yes, I'm THAT old).
I do all I can to ride defensively, but, I refuse to be paranoid of all the cars on the road- that just ruins the entire purpose of riding- FOR ME.
If you all feel the need for your armor, jackets, full helmets- even in 95 degree heat, then, by all means- DO WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE! Every body is different!
Vive La Difference!!

markclark57
06-08-2011, 12:06 PM
Amen :)

blowndodge
06-08-2011, 12:28 PM
Ain't nobody suggesting anyone wear anything to protect themselves...

I never once felt an ounce of sympathy for anyone getting killed while riding a motorcycle hardly dress for the fall. It's their choice! Just let them die peacefully "piecefully?" on the side of the road and ride on!

markclark57
06-08-2011, 03:57 PM
I not only resemble that. . . but may actually be some of the pieces. =D

ray2
07-04-2011, 02:17 PM
anyone tried these? If not what do you think of them? http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=Rider-Pants.com&utm_medium=Magazine&utm_campaign=Rider

ponch
07-04-2011, 02:32 PM
They don't come in my size. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Loafer
07-04-2011, 03:09 PM
anyone tried these? If not what do you think of them? http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=Rider-Pants.com&utm_medium=Magazine&utm_campaign=Rider

Looks like a serious option. http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif

jims
07-04-2011, 06:55 PM
anyone tried these? If not what do you think of them? http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=Rider-Pants.com&utm_medium=Magazine&utm_campaign=Rider
I use the Bohm armor under kevlar lined cargo pants. They offer great protection for the knees, shins, thighs and tail bone without creating much bulk. Just one more safety concession I made to keep on riding as I get older.

cnc
07-04-2011, 07:21 PM
anyone tried these? If not what do you think of them? http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=Rider-Pants.com&utm_medium=Magazine&utm_campaign=Rider

I have a very similar product called crash pads. Only real difference I can see is mine are more of a stretchy mesh rather than the solid fabric those are made of. Having not gone down with them on, I can't report on their effectiveness. I do like wearing them under my jeans, and even my leathers when it is cool, but they do take a bit of getting used to. first couple of times out it felt like I had a load in my pants.

ponch
07-04-2011, 07:23 PM
People have told me kevlar pants don't breath. That can be a problem when it gets hot.