Update - 4 MC riders killed -

[usranger74]

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110118/NEWS97/701199925/0#plea-deal-in-works-on-i-29-deaths

I don't like the smell of this.

[kowboy]

me either ranger,put him in prison with some ha,s or sons of s. then will see what happens.just my opinion.

[waterman]

Sounds like the typical pre-trial crap that goes on. He and his lawyers know his arse is grass and they are trying to get something "better" for him. Hopefully the prosecuters don't back down and let him off with a slap on the wrist. He has a alcohol abuse history, they have witnesses about his driving that day and they have the blood alcohol levels and noone else in the vehicle to claim they were driving.

[jasonc32amg]

This makes me sick. I see no difference between what this kid did than if he pulled a gun out and shot four people at random. The death penalty would be too kind.

[MarkG]

This kind of thing is so wrong. No plea deals of any kind, the man was so far over the limit there should be no question of guilt.

[cactusjack]

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

[canuckrider]

"Lefler filed a motion Dec. 29 asking that the alcohol test results and any statements made by Schlichtemeier to investigators be suppressed because his client “was not competent to voluntarily waive any of his rights.”


In other words he was too drunk to understand when the police were reading him his rights. That's pretty much an admission of guilt right there in my books!

[bobhamlin]

I could never be a lawyer:

<blockquote>"Lefler filed a motion Dec. 29 asking that the alcohol test results and any statements made by Schlichtemeier to investigators be suppressed because his client “was not competent to voluntarily waive any of his rights.”</blockquote>

So, let me understand. You shouldn't be able to use the evidence because my client was too drunk to know he didn't have to cooperate?

Is this the classic, "Please grant mercy to my client who killed his parents. He is, after all, an orphan!"

[Cajunrider]

You're right. It does smell bad. No way this can just go away. Keep us updated on this fiasco.

[cnc]

"Lefler filed a motion Dec. 29 asking that the alcohol test results and any statements made by Schlichtemeier to investigators be suppressed because his client “was not competent to voluntarily waive any of his rights.”


In other words he was too drunk to understand when the police were reading him his rights. That's pretty much an admission of guilt right there in my books!


You took the words right out of my mouth. Not competent enough to voluntarily waive his rights, but competent enough to be driving that truck. What a load of crap.

[Bull Durham]

The problem is not only with defense attorneys, but also with the DA's or ADA's. A DA / ADA will offer a plea deal as often as they can, just to get the case over with. They look at their case records as a boxer does, so many "wins" to "loses". Made me sick listening to them when they would decide if they would press charges or not, because they didn't "know if they could win".
Sorry, never agreed with that. I didn't care about "their win/lose record", let the jury decide, that's why we supposedly have a justice system the way we do. I always cared about the victims.

[aldridgekennedy]

i have to weigh in. I have prosecuted for over 25 years. This has been in federal court, miitary court and in my home state (NC).

First and foremost this clown is a real POS. He does in my opinion deserve the same fate as his victims.

that said, i also sincerely hope he is tried straight up. In my experiencethough i have never encountered an ADA to scared or lazy to try a case out. I have had dockets where i had 100 plus cases to handle in a day. Pleaing is unfortunately a fact of life in some cases.

Lets hope they plea out lesser cases and hold his feet ( and all other body parts ) to the fire.

thanks for hearing me out.

[joe3407nomad]

Ah your Honor, I would like to suppress my clients murder weapon , even though there was a chain of evidence , he was given his rights and... he confessed, why you ask? Because he was high and you know when your high IT DON'T COUNT!!!!!

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Fry the jerk.

[fatrat45]

what a line of crap. send the little fella to prison with a lot of outlaw bikers and tell them what he did. that will do it he will be a lot of bikers real good friend. if you know what i mean IMO

[rick]

just like a inmate not want to take blame for what they do , and to try to find a loop hole in the system.

[vulcans2]

In the case of a fatal accident such as this, the suspect has no right to refuse a blood test. It's automatic when there is serious injury or death involved. Breath is another matter, however a DUI suspect faces additional criminal charges if he does refuse to provide a sample of his/her breath for alcohol testing. And the level of sobriety is not a factor in the decision to provide a sample or refuse. It's not a right--it's a law--blow or refuse and be charged accordingly. This yoyo's attorney is blowing smoke out his backside. Sounds like a lot of pretrial shufflning around, to me.

Let's just hope the judge in this case sees through this attorney's bs argument. This is based on my 30 years of law enforcement with ten of those years dedicated to DUI enforcement. I just hope they do away with the plea and convict this dingaling, lock him up and throw away the key. At the worst, if they do a plea deal, I hope it amounts to consolidating all 4 counts into one count, but hand him an enhanced sentence.

[GIBBY]

The only "Plea deal" should be to a life sentence without parole.

[Loafer]

You know, it is hard to believe that with all the money spent on keeping these jerks off the highways. That we haven't been successful at it. Two weeks before Christmas a driver trying to escape from the police ran several stop signs and two red lights. He collided with a car at the second red light, his car struck the drivers side door of a womans vehicle, she was killed on impact. He had 5 previous DUI convictions, and a suspended license. Last week a driver was pulled over for an expired inspection sticker. The driver has 12 DUI's and a lifetime suspended license. But he still drives. These two examples are just two of many that are picked up routinely, we are all fed up.
SO, I guess what we are doing is not working. Does anyone really have an answer for what do we do about this situation? We can't afford to house all of them in the jails and prisons.

[GIBBY]

Bullets cost very little!

[Loafer]

Bullets cost very little!

This is true, but Vermont disposed of capital punishment a long time ago. Too bad.

[usranger74]

Bullets cost very little!

It's called the 50 cent solution http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[wompus]

When I read of something like this I'm totally amazed at everyones reaction.
He was drunk... I believe he should get the chair for murder, but that will never happen.

YET.. I've seen so many bike rider who partied and drinks all day, get on his bike and flies down the road. Yet no one ever says anything about him because he's a fellow biker!!
I've ridden with fellow club members who does the same thing, and when they have a wreck they say the same thing.. "I guess I shouldn't have had that beer at the last stop!" In fact, that happened twice in one day at a rally I went to years ago.
If you drink, then don't ride with me!!!

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[kowboy]

my thoughts exactly

[Bull Durham]

Wompus,
I agree with you and you have the right outlook on life by being sensible. But now a days, nobody wants to be responsible for their own actions anymore (I myself was stupid when young). Now, where do you start? I know of many times when we would have someone stopped for drunk driving, and because of WHO they were (Judges, DA's, Mayors, Council Members, off duty cops, cops kids, etc, etc, etc) they get a ride home instead of jail by the shift commander or Sgt.

I believe the guy in this instance should get the death penalty for what he did to the 4 mc riders, but that will never happen. After his lawyers get done talking about how it's not their clients fault because he was abused as a child, he was spanked by his mom, whatever; plea deals get passed around in the back rooms like "let's make a deal" the guy will probably end up with three to four years, tops.

Taxpayers will spend a tremendous amount of money on his prison time, special treatment programs, doctors, Re-Entry Specialists, etc, etc. Then he will be out and will stay sober for about three months, only because it will be a high profile case and his PO's will check up on him before they become totally overwhelmed by having 300 - 500 other people to check up on, before he starts getting drunk and driving again..........

Sorry, my rant..........

[usranger74]

When I read of something like this I'm totally amazed at everyones reaction.
He was drunk... I believe he should get the chair for murder, but that will never happen.

YET.. I've seen so many bike rider who partied and drinks all day, get on his bike and flies down the road. Yet no one ever says anything about him because he's a fellow biker!!
I've ridden with fellow club members who does the same thing, and when they have a wreck they say the same thing.. "I guess I shouldn't have had that beer at the last stop!" In fact, that happened twice in one day at a rally I went to years ago.
If you drink, then don't ride with me!!!

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I qualify. Let's ride http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif